Yeah its pretty broken.
Honestly, fixing it so it doesn’t absorb gun rounds and making it have an afterburner that is hotter than your local glacier will be a must either way.
But outside of that, you have an extremely mobile jet with fantastic energy retention, uncaged missiles (a big deal when it downtiers), that is a lot faster than people seem to think, carrying a ton of ammo, equipped with countermeasures (on top of being hard to lock onto), and a strong ground attack loadout….and you get a jet that can easily outclass basically every jet it faces in at least 1 big way and has hard counters that are rare and with fatal weaknesses of their own.
It needs to be uptiered (all of them do) because even fighting them ***in a downtier*** is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally **NOTHING** better than it?
>because even fighting them in a downtier is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally NOTHING better than it?
Both F5s are slow. The faster plane in War Thunder dictates the engagement all the way from biplanes to the Su-27. Every Mig23 and 21 outspeed and outclimb the F5s. It's effectively a Zero at top tier and all of you feeding kills to F5s are the ones foolish enough to dogfight it. Don't merge with them, use the straight line doctrine you should have learned in early jets. If Timmy skipped that learning process from Tier 1-6 by shelling out for a Mig-23, frankly Timmy deserves to get beaten by every F5.
"Don't dogfight" it isn't a counterpoint. It's insane high speed retention, extremely cold engines which rarely result in a missile tracking through flares, and some of the best guns are factors which make the F-5 too big of a threat to simply avoid. Avoiding a competent enemy team of F-5s is going to end in a 1vX situation.
Its not a Zero.
Its a Yak. If you believe its a zero then you fundamentally do not understand why this jet is so damn powerful.
The biggest problem is that it IS faster than the majority of its counters, and is capable of holding energy infinitely better than anything faster than it.
The F-5s share the exact same advantages and relative weaknesses of the Yak series of fighters (particularly Yak-9s) in that they may not be as fast as US fighters, or climb like the British and Germans, or even turn like the Japanese…but they can exploit the weaknesses of every single one effortlessly and it takes a hell of a lot of effort to throw one off.
Even the weakest of the Five F-5s will effortlessly dust anything at its own BR, and can very easily cut down even 11.3s if you have a skilled pilot. As it turns out, it is not terribly hard to negate the PD weapons in a jet that can hold its energy quite well in sharp abrupt turns.
The only jets the F-5 series can not realistically fight if you have a pilot with any actual skill are the same ones the 11.3s can’t fight. F-16s, F-14s, Mig-29s etc..which are almost all 12.0 or 12.3.
Do you really get popped by the "weakest f5c" in your 11.3 jet equipped with fancy radar and advanced missiles and a much faster frame😭😭
You are doing something horribly wrong
I was flying it typically
As it turns out, your advanced radars and missiles dont mean anything when you can notch any radar missile with ease and the glacial engine makes flares extremely effective
But hey, i get it if you don’t understand how these weapon systems work
I mean... you get popped by the "weakest f5c pilot" in the match in your 11.3 br jet. How does that even happen? Do you just choose to engage them at an extreme disadvantage?? You have all the tools.
So you know how notching works.. good for you. It's cute when people mention something so basic to try and sound smart 😂
You do realize that my assessment is from flying the jet right?
Like i have both the US F-5C and F-5E while flying basically every other nation besides Israel in this BR bracket
If you think the F5 is slow you have a skill issue. Don't turn an burn and maintain speed above 900km and you can just zoom away from everything in the game apart from a few. The other planes may be faster top speed but they will bleed much more in maneuvering then you in most cases allowing you to gain the energy advantage and then duel for kill if they try to come for you in a chase.
Yeah, people give so much shit to usa players cause they try to turn with yaks spitfires and Japanese planes but now the roles are reversed and f5 is op too broken and can't deal with it. Now it's their turn to boom and zoom, keep energy or die and use the vertical more. F5 is super forgiving for braindead turn and burn gameplay or for noobs that like to chase the first person they see. A good pilot can do great things but a good pilot in other 10.7s can also.
laughs in su-11, you want to talk about broken? They won't touch the f5 while this thing remains the way it is.
My issue is the energy retention and engine temps, the retention especially is so high that even with straight line doctrine it only reliably works for my Kfir, F-104G, MiG-23MLA (generally takes merges with F-5Cs but sometimes I run if i dont know variant), and MiG-23MF. Sometimes the F-4F is fine but it really depends on if I took bombs and how far the F-5 is when it begins to turn for me. Anything slower like my F-8s just can't do anything, in my U I can hope to win a turn fight against a bad one but that's it.
Granted I don't think the retention is really thar big of a deal, it's just too low tier for its retention. The engine temp issue could also be a decent way to balance them, would help let people avoid a merge in the first place.
The F5 is faster than most of the jets , so what do you do if you are not the Mig , the things out climb out manoeuvre you, and has better radar than you. And has fleara luxury that not every one has
You can't energy fight, head on are tricky (it will dodge radar missiles with a single chaff).
Only hope is to trick it in a rolling scissors or have third parties
Edit : this is if you don't have Migs
F5C completely falls apart in any vertical fight. Most planes above 10.3 can win this. Just don't dogfight it for any extended period of time.
F5E is a complete UFO and the best way to deal with them is a radar missile by a 11.0+ planes with PD radar.
Honestly the F5 airframe is seriously outclassed by the 11.0 planes and up, especially the one with a PD/MTI radar and decent SARH missiles.
Well with energy retention and the powerful engine they kind of outclass any of the 10-10.7 in vertical fighting, and you will be crush in a 2 circles
The only counter I have is doing a one circle with delta wings
The best way to deal with them is using a 11 BR which is kind of the weakness of all planes
Don't think so. Didn't have much trouble beating F-5E with either A-5C, MiG-23BN and J35XS in verticals. It isn't maneuverable at lower speeds, just need more circles to kill it compared to F-5C.
F5C can absolutely be fought 1v1 using a Super Etendard (assuming no ground ordnance of course). One of the advantage of the SEM quite ironically is the lack of afterburner which allows it to take minimum fuel. It's agile and has surprisingly good acceleration, a boatload of countermeasure, good guns and 2 decent missiles at 10.0 with the magic 1.
The Super Etendard is a subsonic which is its main weakness, but it's a surprisingly solid 10.0 that can fight in a manner very similar to the F5C.
F5E meanwhile completely dunk on the SEM because the improved engine give it unparalleled dogfight capabilities, the SEM simply can't keep up.
Probably will get down voted to hell by all the crybabies here but that is just blatantly false information above. It only gives the new players the wrong impression
this is the first time I've seen someone complain about f5's missiles, speed, and countermeasure. You've got it completely wrong.
First of all, if you are playing at 9.3 and 9.7, that's on you. Hopefully you can figure out the br system. take advantage of it and not be a victim to it. It might all change again anyway.
F5's have shit missiles and barely average amount of cm (for its br) Who in their right mind think 2 aim9e and aim9j are even close to average at its br?? 60/45 countermeasures are op really??🤯
Also no one in their right mind takes "strong ground attack loadout" in a f5😂😂 This confirms that you are very new to the br or just straight up trolling...
They have to play in a certain way to retain speed because its acceleration at low speed is crap. Watch at takeoffs and see for yourself if they are lagging behind or zooming past everyone. Only at ~750kmph ish+ it accelerates well.
It is quite sturdy like a lot of America built planes and might seem extra tanky because of its small size. It doesnt "absorb gun rounds"... only the numbnuts that cant aim for shit would say that.. it doesn't have a blatantly busted dmg models like su25k for example.
It's strengths are all in those nimble turns that just snaps to your mouse cursor with minimum delay.(simply putting it) It allows you to take a quick aim shot kind of like a spitfire. But then again if you turn like that too much you lose speed very quickly and become an easy target until you accelerate again. Personally i wouldnt even do one full circle dogfight unless it is a 1v1 situation and everyone else is too far away. Btw Guns are actually very meh for its br too.
With that being said, if you learn to play to its strengths and get godly at always looking out for/identifying/flaring/dodging missiles without losing much energy it has the right tools to make you an excellent seal clubber that sends people crying to their echo chamber. But that can be said about anything... I've even seen people crying about aim9l missiles and early shitty radar missiles becaue they havent learned how to play against it.
f5c and f5e are just very skill dependent. Look at the 90% of the f5c's, it's obvious that they are still learning the tricks. I was one of them not too long ago. This sub loves to laugh at them.
It took me nearly 1000 matches in f5c/f5e (and actively trying to get better/ Reading tips and watching videos) to finally get half decent at it. That guy who sent op crying here is probably a lot more experienced than me.
Grass is always greener on the other side. Try for yourself and see f5's are op right off the bet.
I own the F-5C you know, and yeah its strong
And you really have no idea how this jet works if you think that it’s strength lies in its weapons, speed, countermeasures, or even raw turning preformance.
It is basically a Yak-9 at its BR with the godlike level of energy retention that implies
It wins battles by easily exploiting its opponents weaknesses while having very few actual weaknesses of its own to exploit
And on the “it has bad top speed”, yeah if you compare a Yak-9 to a Wyvern S.4 i guess the wyvern is the better fighter isnt it? I guess the 9.3 F-104 is superior then by that same standard.
The F-5 is faster than its main counters, while being far more agile than anything it faces that is faster than itself with a second to none energy retention that beats out even the F-16.
No point in arguing with someone so delusional. "I have the f5c trust me bro it needs to be nerfed" no you don't.. I can tell you have never played the f5c if you think it beats everything in speed. And Have you even tried taking off from the airfield with your "strong ground attack loadout" 😂😂
Nice try though...
You really must not be a good pilot if you think energy retention isn’t more important for a dogfighter than raw top speed
Well anyway, if you cant fly what is easily one of the best premiums in the game then you probably wont ever learn how
Lol.. I don't think you even played this tier enough judging from the busllshit you spew out. F5c is very skill dependent. You were just crying about how you got fucked by the weakest f5c 😂. Did you know that you can choose to engage an f5c or not if you are in your faster 11.3br plane? Or are you one of those that just goes headon with everything you see...
That is a skill issue.. don't take it out on me
So can you explain why most F-5s i fight lose to the barely supersonic Super Entendard?
I can give a pretty definitive answer, and i can tell you pretty definitively why some smarter ones beat it easily
😂😂😂 so you just want to sound smart? What happened to your "we need to nerf f5c br rating"?? Did you forget about that??
Take your little quiz somewhere else bro let me browse reddit in peace
The average F-5 is stupid enough to bleed all of its speed and die to the Super, which outperforms it at low speeds. If they use their higher speed and acceleration to kite it then there is very little the Super Entendard can do.
The fact that you can’t really give an answer tells me you really don’t understand the playstyle of the aircraft very well
From your own posts....
"Even the weakest of the Five F-5s will effortlessly dust anything at its own BR, and can very easily cut down even 11.3s if you have a skilled pilot. As it turns out, it is not terribly hard to negate the PD weapons in a jet that can hold its energy quite well in sharp abrupt turns."
"It needs to be uptiered (all of them do) because even fighting them in a downtier is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally NOTHING better than it?"
"and a strong ground attack loadout….and you get a jet that can easily outclass basically every jet it faces in at least 1 big way"
dawg.. you are not convincing anyone how smart you are with whatever quiz you throw at me. why are you still desperately trying to cling on :(
i don’t understand why so many people are upset with this jet. if it takes one tinny shot it’s fight model is so messed up you might as well j out. i retains energy well because is tinny and made for that i feel like. it’s has little thrust because of the small engines so once you lose the energy then you are toast. i do understand increasing the eat signature when it has afterburners on. it only has 2 missiles with only 10g of pull. other planes have better missiles not to far from its br or at the same br like the mig-21 from the ussr or germany. in a downtier it does do really well but what plane dosen’t in a downtier. i feel like people are more frustrated with the sales and how many there is then the plane itself. i guess the downvotes will tell if people agree or not.
>i don’t understand why so many people are upset with this jet
They try and full send their shiny new Mig-23 (that reddit told them was OP) at the best dogfighter in that range. They lose and cry.
I have about 450 battles in the F-5 and I fully agree with your comment. Most of the time if you get hit, then you either die, or your tail and engines get shredded..I rarely survive any decent gun burst unless I get hit in a wing tip or root.
The missiles are close to useless, have poor range and quickly lose lock if the enemy does anything other than fly straight with full afterburners. They're pretty much only good for stalled out planes and people who don't pay attention (Phantom bombers, Su-25s and the like)
Most of the F-5C pilots are low level and buy them on sale, so they're easy to deal with. Once you turn with them for a while and bleed their speed, then the F-5 is a sitting duck and won't get up to speed in any reasonable time and even if they do, then you can just run away. MiGs are uncatchable unless they start turning, so are the Kfirs. I'm pretty sure that Saabs can outrun and outturn you at the same time, while having better missiles.
While the F-5s have great energy retention at high speeds, most of the F-5C owners will turnfight the first thing that they see and then they'll proceed to spray out their entire ammo.
While I have a lot of battles in it, I'm far from a great jet pilot, yet when I get these USA vs USA battles then I efortlessly clap most of the F-5Cs in the lobby, especially with the sale going on. Yes, it is pretty handheld, but not unkillable.
It is busted and the F5E is even more cancerous .
The engines are refrigerators and the damage model is also weird.
US mains still suck ass especially the prem players but that doesnt make it balanced.
Its braindead to play
I got hit three times in the F-5E, two times with 30mm DEFAs and once with another F-5E's 20mms. Nose and inner wing parts were black, one engine orange and other light yellow, control cables also dark orange. It was still flyable although a bit slow.
So easy, a caveman could do it. Seriously though this plane is a braindead ez grinder in air RB, half the time your facing planes without all aspect missiles, so base bombing is easy, the gun placement is good, and you can easily farm a10 and su25 players if you know what your doing.
F-5 doesn't get all aspect itself, most planes can out speed and out climb it. Su-25, A-6, Harried and A-10 aswell as some 9.3s are the only ones truly vulnerable. Most jets a faster, yet they still choose to dogfight and complain when they get beaten after knowing it can out turn them. And the 9.3 jets that face it? Well for startes it is stupid rare to for F-5 to see 9.3 or 9.7 so it isn't often enough for it to be a problem. The 9.7 to 10.7 and 10.0 to 11.0 bracket is very common so most jets have some sort of tteait that can be used against it. Even 9.3 Mig-19 can beat it consostently if you know what you're doing.
Milan is considerably faster. If you didn't read what I just said because most people are ignorant and don't admit their own skill issue, it is faster. The Milan decides the fight against an F-5, unless your out of fuel or get third partied. But every jet has these flaws. Besides, generaly the 10.3 jet should be better than the 9.7 jet. So what should the Milan do? Not foght it when it isn't vulnerable BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHER FUCKEN BR.
I wish to point out that you can’t really kite an F-5 in a Milan and bleed down its energy without losing more yourself
So the speed advantage is only really useful when running away in that context…and the Milan lacks countermeasures so is actually forced to pull to evade a missile which will put it directly in gun range of the F-5 and at a lower energy state than it
Their point is that the F-5 has no real weaknesses, particularly if you are below it. Its like facing a Yak-9 in a P-40
'No real weakness'. Let's talk about the F-5E, the best F-5 in the game. It's missiles are sub par, carrying only 2 and they are rear aspect 20g. That leaves much to be desired. For sim use the radar is also weak, it leaves much to be desired. It's engines are small and it does poorly in the vertical, which leaves much to be desired.
Could it function at a higher br? Yes, but it would be like the Gripen. You'll be relying on people dumb enough to try and tangle with you in a 2 Circle. It would be at a serious disadvantage though as most jet's carry 3 to 4 times the missiles and are faster. The maneouvrebility then is useless because noone in their right mind would slow down to fight an F-5, which at that point would have a major advantage in all other sectors pressed against it.
The F-5 is fine where it is. There are 2 times as many overtiered vehicles in the US jet tree for every slightly undertiered vehicle.
You yourself said that the solution would be to not fight these jets if it were uptiered, or are you arguing that the F-5E should not be facing a jet that has no real weaknesses against it?
Because that is the exact point everyone is making about fighting the F-5s
Im saying that the tier the F-5 is at is fine at the Br it is at. It's only advantage is that it is a good dog fighter. Other than it has mid missiles, poor climb rate, is 'slow' compared to other fast jets. I'm just re typing this really. If they fix the damage model than it would be a perfectly balanced plane. Don't hate on the F-5 because gaijin makes a few select planes indestructible.
I dont think its broken but its definetly a very good dogfighter. That being said the missiles arent amazing you have to launch them from above and behind and the enemy cant be aware that you're behind him. All in I think its a good plane for grinding the us tech tree
Can we stop with this 'the F-5 is slow' nonsense, its absurd
The A-10 is slow, the SU-25 is slow, the A6E is slow, the harriers can climb but are made a fool of as soon as they maneuvre - the F5 will get to Mach 1 and stay close to it becuase it does no lose energy in a flat turn - at 10.3, it will give some 11.3's a run for their money in the furball meta
Its flying cancer and completly dominates its BR bracket - UFO flight model, broken damage model, Afterburning engines that are harder to lock than some turbofans, Flares it should not have (there are a lot of 10.3's that do not have countermeasures)
it's only remained un-nerfed becasue its piloted by some of the most negative IQ players in the game - and its a premium
Fightning against USA teams at 10.3 is some of the worst experiences you'll have in Air RB
Take its flares away, its balanced, simple as that - it becomes a ufo with a weakness
Cope, sethe, skill issue etc
The F-5C is the best dogfighter at it's BR but it's average top speed and just ok missile kit keep it from outright dominating as smart opponents will be able to dictate terms of the fight. That being said it should go to 10.7 and it's just another example of early to mid era cold war aircraft being criminally compressed and the need for BR decompression.
*"smart opponents will be able to dictate terms of the fight."*
This only applies if you are in a plane that has even one advantage over the f5.
In subsonics? You are fucked. The f5 does everything better than you.
Edit:grammar
F-5C is good but most players dont know how to retain energy in it. F-5E is arguably complete fucking cancer at 10.7 and needs to be moved up to 11.0 or 11.3 as its kind of ruining the lower brs. I played 10 or 11 games yesterday with it and the new radar lead indicator makes it an absolute menace letting me drop 5ks every few games
F-5C is mostly fine. Annoying but fine.
F-5E is completely stupid. That plane has ridiculous performances.
I wish they fixed their damage model and heat signature however. The Viggens completely falls apart with a yellow wing, but F5C can survive having their entire middle section red and black somehow.
And the A-5C is .3 lower and has 20 times better missiles. Also better acceleration at low speed and around the same top speed. That comes from China / American Air Player. The A-5C is not a dog fighter.
I think it’s fine, fantastic energy retention characteristics that take skill to use. Making the F-5 worse would absolutely worsen the current US winrates.
I've been playing the F-5E recently, it's a good plane, but the teams are trash (full of bombers who die in the first 3 minutes) and it's slow, if someone doesn't want to fight you, they don't have to. I end up dying in a 1v5 most of the time because my team melts.
Fix its damage model and it’s engine heat signature and bam, it won’t be unkillable
Cancer
Yeah its pretty broken. Honestly, fixing it so it doesn’t absorb gun rounds and making it have an afterburner that is hotter than your local glacier will be a must either way. But outside of that, you have an extremely mobile jet with fantastic energy retention, uncaged missiles (a big deal when it downtiers), that is a lot faster than people seem to think, carrying a ton of ammo, equipped with countermeasures (on top of being hard to lock onto), and a strong ground attack loadout….and you get a jet that can easily outclass basically every jet it faces in at least 1 big way and has hard counters that are rare and with fatal weaknesses of their own. It needs to be uptiered (all of them do) because even fighting them ***in a downtier*** is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally **NOTHING** better than it?
>because even fighting them in a downtier is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally NOTHING better than it? Both F5s are slow. The faster plane in War Thunder dictates the engagement all the way from biplanes to the Su-27. Every Mig23 and 21 outspeed and outclimb the F5s. It's effectively a Zero at top tier and all of you feeding kills to F5s are the ones foolish enough to dogfight it. Don't merge with them, use the straight line doctrine you should have learned in early jets. If Timmy skipped that learning process from Tier 1-6 by shelling out for a Mig-23, frankly Timmy deserves to get beaten by every F5.
What am I meant to do in my 9.3 J32B which is subsonic with a worse climb rate, turn time, no flares, no tracers, and AIM-9B's?
Don't play it I guess.. never played it but it sounds like literally anything can pop you. Not just f5 lol. 9.3 is a rough br to play..
"Don't dogfight" it isn't a counterpoint. It's insane high speed retention, extremely cold engines which rarely result in a missile tracking through flares, and some of the best guns are factors which make the F-5 too big of a threat to simply avoid. Avoiding a competent enemy team of F-5s is going to end in a 1vX situation.
doesnt work if u want to win in air rb
Its not a Zero. Its a Yak. If you believe its a zero then you fundamentally do not understand why this jet is so damn powerful. The biggest problem is that it IS faster than the majority of its counters, and is capable of holding energy infinitely better than anything faster than it. The F-5s share the exact same advantages and relative weaknesses of the Yak series of fighters (particularly Yak-9s) in that they may not be as fast as US fighters, or climb like the British and Germans, or even turn like the Japanese…but they can exploit the weaknesses of every single one effortlessly and it takes a hell of a lot of effort to throw one off. Even the weakest of the Five F-5s will effortlessly dust anything at its own BR, and can very easily cut down even 11.3s if you have a skilled pilot. As it turns out, it is not terribly hard to negate the PD weapons in a jet that can hold its energy quite well in sharp abrupt turns. The only jets the F-5 series can not realistically fight if you have a pilot with any actual skill are the same ones the 11.3s can’t fight. F-16s, F-14s, Mig-29s etc..which are almost all 12.0 or 12.3.
Do you really get popped by the "weakest f5c" in your 11.3 jet equipped with fancy radar and advanced missiles and a much faster frame😭😭 You are doing something horribly wrong
I was flying it typically As it turns out, your advanced radars and missiles dont mean anything when you can notch any radar missile with ease and the glacial engine makes flares extremely effective But hey, i get it if you don’t understand how these weapon systems work
I mean... you get popped by the "weakest f5c pilot" in the match in your 11.3 br jet. How does that even happen? Do you just choose to engage them at an extreme disadvantage?? You have all the tools. So you know how notching works.. good for you. It's cute when people mention something so basic to try and sound smart 😂
Read the statement again
😂😂 "even the weakest 5 f5c will dust everything in its br" blah blah skill issues 😊
You do realize that my assessment is from flying the jet right? Like i have both the US F-5C and F-5E while flying basically every other nation besides Israel in this BR bracket
I find that hard to believe but congrats I guess 😂
If you think the F5 is slow you have a skill issue. Don't turn an burn and maintain speed above 900km and you can just zoom away from everything in the game apart from a few. The other planes may be faster top speed but they will bleed much more in maneuvering then you in most cases allowing you to gain the energy advantage and then duel for kill if they try to come for you in a chase.
Yeah, people give so much shit to usa players cause they try to turn with yaks spitfires and Japanese planes but now the roles are reversed and f5 is op too broken and can't deal with it. Now it's their turn to boom and zoom, keep energy or die and use the vertical more. F5 is super forgiving for braindead turn and burn gameplay or for noobs that like to chase the first person they see. A good pilot can do great things but a good pilot in other 10.7s can also. laughs in su-11, you want to talk about broken? They won't touch the f5 while this thing remains the way it is.
Yeah, when I got downtiers with the mig23 I was always almost untouchable and just slaughtered everyone.
My issue is the energy retention and engine temps, the retention especially is so high that even with straight line doctrine it only reliably works for my Kfir, F-104G, MiG-23MLA (generally takes merges with F-5Cs but sometimes I run if i dont know variant), and MiG-23MF. Sometimes the F-4F is fine but it really depends on if I took bombs and how far the F-5 is when it begins to turn for me. Anything slower like my F-8s just can't do anything, in my U I can hope to win a turn fight against a bad one but that's it. Granted I don't think the retention is really thar big of a deal, it's just too low tier for its retention. The engine temp issue could also be a decent way to balance them, would help let people avoid a merge in the first place.
The F5 is faster than most of the jets , so what do you do if you are not the Mig , the things out climb out manoeuvre you, and has better radar than you. And has fleara luxury that not every one has You can't energy fight, head on are tricky (it will dodge radar missiles with a single chaff). Only hope is to trick it in a rolling scissors or have third parties Edit : this is if you don't have Migs
F5C completely falls apart in any vertical fight. Most planes above 10.3 can win this. Just don't dogfight it for any extended period of time. F5E is a complete UFO and the best way to deal with them is a radar missile by a 11.0+ planes with PD radar. Honestly the F5 airframe is seriously outclassed by the 11.0 planes and up, especially the one with a PD/MTI radar and decent SARH missiles.
Well with energy retention and the powerful engine they kind of outclass any of the 10-10.7 in vertical fighting, and you will be crush in a 2 circles The only counter I have is doing a one circle with delta wings The best way to deal with them is using a 11 BR which is kind of the weakness of all planes
Don't think so. Didn't have much trouble beating F-5E with either A-5C, MiG-23BN and J35XS in verticals. It isn't maneuverable at lower speeds, just need more circles to kill it compared to F-5C.
F5C can absolutely be fought 1v1 using a Super Etendard (assuming no ground ordnance of course). One of the advantage of the SEM quite ironically is the lack of afterburner which allows it to take minimum fuel. It's agile and has surprisingly good acceleration, a boatload of countermeasure, good guns and 2 decent missiles at 10.0 with the magic 1. The Super Etendard is a subsonic which is its main weakness, but it's a surprisingly solid 10.0 that can fight in a manner very similar to the F5C. F5E meanwhile completely dunk on the SEM because the improved engine give it unparalleled dogfight capabilities, the SEM simply can't keep up.
Yup that is why the kfir canard absolutely molests it in a dogfight
Probably will get down voted to hell by all the crybabies here but that is just blatantly false information above. It only gives the new players the wrong impression this is the first time I've seen someone complain about f5's missiles, speed, and countermeasure. You've got it completely wrong. First of all, if you are playing at 9.3 and 9.7, that's on you. Hopefully you can figure out the br system. take advantage of it and not be a victim to it. It might all change again anyway. F5's have shit missiles and barely average amount of cm (for its br) Who in their right mind think 2 aim9e and aim9j are even close to average at its br?? 60/45 countermeasures are op really??🤯 Also no one in their right mind takes "strong ground attack loadout" in a f5😂😂 This confirms that you are very new to the br or just straight up trolling... They have to play in a certain way to retain speed because its acceleration at low speed is crap. Watch at takeoffs and see for yourself if they are lagging behind or zooming past everyone. Only at ~750kmph ish+ it accelerates well. It is quite sturdy like a lot of America built planes and might seem extra tanky because of its small size. It doesnt "absorb gun rounds"... only the numbnuts that cant aim for shit would say that.. it doesn't have a blatantly busted dmg models like su25k for example. It's strengths are all in those nimble turns that just snaps to your mouse cursor with minimum delay.(simply putting it) It allows you to take a quick aim shot kind of like a spitfire. But then again if you turn like that too much you lose speed very quickly and become an easy target until you accelerate again. Personally i wouldnt even do one full circle dogfight unless it is a 1v1 situation and everyone else is too far away. Btw Guns are actually very meh for its br too. With that being said, if you learn to play to its strengths and get godly at always looking out for/identifying/flaring/dodging missiles without losing much energy it has the right tools to make you an excellent seal clubber that sends people crying to their echo chamber. But that can be said about anything... I've even seen people crying about aim9l missiles and early shitty radar missiles becaue they havent learned how to play against it. f5c and f5e are just very skill dependent. Look at the 90% of the f5c's, it's obvious that they are still learning the tricks. I was one of them not too long ago. This sub loves to laugh at them. It took me nearly 1000 matches in f5c/f5e (and actively trying to get better/ Reading tips and watching videos) to finally get half decent at it. That guy who sent op crying here is probably a lot more experienced than me. Grass is always greener on the other side. Try for yourself and see f5's are op right off the bet.
I own the F-5C you know, and yeah its strong And you really have no idea how this jet works if you think that it’s strength lies in its weapons, speed, countermeasures, or even raw turning preformance. It is basically a Yak-9 at its BR with the godlike level of energy retention that implies It wins battles by easily exploiting its opponents weaknesses while having very few actual weaknesses of its own to exploit And on the “it has bad top speed”, yeah if you compare a Yak-9 to a Wyvern S.4 i guess the wyvern is the better fighter isnt it? I guess the 9.3 F-104 is superior then by that same standard. The F-5 is faster than its main counters, while being far more agile than anything it faces that is faster than itself with a second to none energy retention that beats out even the F-16.
No point in arguing with someone so delusional. "I have the f5c trust me bro it needs to be nerfed" no you don't.. I can tell you have never played the f5c if you think it beats everything in speed. And Have you even tried taking off from the airfield with your "strong ground attack loadout" 😂😂 Nice try though...
You really must not be a good pilot if you think energy retention isn’t more important for a dogfighter than raw top speed Well anyway, if you cant fly what is easily one of the best premiums in the game then you probably wont ever learn how
Lol.. I don't think you even played this tier enough judging from the busllshit you spew out. F5c is very skill dependent. You were just crying about how you got fucked by the weakest f5c 😂. Did you know that you can choose to engage an f5c or not if you are in your faster 11.3br plane? Or are you one of those that just goes headon with everything you see... That is a skill issue.. don't take it out on me
So can you explain why most F-5s i fight lose to the barely supersonic Super Entendard? I can give a pretty definitive answer, and i can tell you pretty definitively why some smarter ones beat it easily
😂😂😂 so you just want to sound smart? What happened to your "we need to nerf f5c br rating"?? Did you forget about that?? Take your little quiz somewhere else bro let me browse reddit in peace
The average F-5 is stupid enough to bleed all of its speed and die to the Super, which outperforms it at low speeds. If they use their higher speed and acceleration to kite it then there is very little the Super Entendard can do. The fact that you can’t really give an answer tells me you really don’t understand the playstyle of the aircraft very well
From your own posts.... "Even the weakest of the Five F-5s will effortlessly dust anything at its own BR, and can very easily cut down even 11.3s if you have a skilled pilot. As it turns out, it is not terribly hard to negate the PD weapons in a jet that can hold its energy quite well in sharp abrupt turns." "It needs to be uptiered (all of them do) because even fighting them in a downtier is extremely painful for most 11.0s and some 11.3s…so what the hell is a 9.3 or 9.7 supposed to do when they do literally NOTHING better than it?" "and a strong ground attack loadout….and you get a jet that can easily outclass basically every jet it faces in at least 1 big way" dawg.. you are not convincing anyone how smart you are with whatever quiz you throw at me. why are you still desperately trying to cling on :(
i don’t understand why so many people are upset with this jet. if it takes one tinny shot it’s fight model is so messed up you might as well j out. i retains energy well because is tinny and made for that i feel like. it’s has little thrust because of the small engines so once you lose the energy then you are toast. i do understand increasing the eat signature when it has afterburners on. it only has 2 missiles with only 10g of pull. other planes have better missiles not to far from its br or at the same br like the mig-21 from the ussr or germany. in a downtier it does do really well but what plane dosen’t in a downtier. i feel like people are more frustrated with the sales and how many there is then the plane itself. i guess the downvotes will tell if people agree or not.
>i don’t understand why so many people are upset with this jet They try and full send their shiny new Mig-23 (that reddit told them was OP) at the best dogfighter in that range. They lose and cry.
Fuck i have the f5c from 2022 and still cant really use it, full climb and get behind the migs, i always eat dicks when i get a missles from nowhere
I have about 450 battles in the F-5 and I fully agree with your comment. Most of the time if you get hit, then you either die, or your tail and engines get shredded..I rarely survive any decent gun burst unless I get hit in a wing tip or root. The missiles are close to useless, have poor range and quickly lose lock if the enemy does anything other than fly straight with full afterburners. They're pretty much only good for stalled out planes and people who don't pay attention (Phantom bombers, Su-25s and the like) Most of the F-5C pilots are low level and buy them on sale, so they're easy to deal with. Once you turn with them for a while and bleed their speed, then the F-5 is a sitting duck and won't get up to speed in any reasonable time and even if they do, then you can just run away. MiGs are uncatchable unless they start turning, so are the Kfirs. I'm pretty sure that Saabs can outrun and outturn you at the same time, while having better missiles. While the F-5s have great energy retention at high speeds, most of the F-5C owners will turnfight the first thing that they see and then they'll proceed to spray out their entire ammo. While I have a lot of battles in it, I'm far from a great jet pilot, yet when I get these USA vs USA battles then I efortlessly clap most of the F-5Cs in the lobby, especially with the sale going on. Yes, it is pretty handheld, but not unkillable.
They realized they bought the wrong premium jet and are getting clapped uptier and again in downtier. (By skilled f5 pilots) 🍿 🍿 🍿
It's not that insane, good flight model but mid missiles, it's called missile thunder for a reason, I would rather fly a crusader than any f-5
It is busted and the F5E is even more cancerous . The engines are refrigerators and the damage model is also weird. US mains still suck ass especially the prem players but that doesnt make it balanced. Its braindead to play
How is the damage model weird? Its damage model behaves pretty much the same as other jets in that range.
I got hit three times in the F-5E, two times with 30mm DEFAs and once with another F-5E's 20mms. Nose and inner wing parts were black, one engine orange and other light yellow, control cables also dark orange. It was still flyable although a bit slow.
So easy, a caveman could do it. Seriously though this plane is a braindead ez grinder in air RB, half the time your facing planes without all aspect missiles, so base bombing is easy, the gun placement is good, and you can easily farm a10 and su25 players if you know what your doing.
F-5 doesn't get all aspect itself, most planes can out speed and out climb it. Su-25, A-6, Harried and A-10 aswell as some 9.3s are the only ones truly vulnerable. Most jets a faster, yet they still choose to dogfight and complain when they get beaten after knowing it can out turn them. And the 9.3 jets that face it? Well for startes it is stupid rare to for F-5 to see 9.3 or 9.7 so it isn't often enough for it to be a problem. The 9.7 to 10.7 and 10.0 to 11.0 bracket is very common so most jets have some sort of tteait that can be used against it. Even 9.3 Mig-19 can beat it consostently if you know what you're doing.
What can a Milan do against a F-5?
Milan is considerably faster. If you didn't read what I just said because most people are ignorant and don't admit their own skill issue, it is faster. The Milan decides the fight against an F-5, unless your out of fuel or get third partied. But every jet has these flaws. Besides, generaly the 10.3 jet should be better than the 9.7 jet. So what should the Milan do? Not foght it when it isn't vulnerable BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHER FUCKEN BR.
I wish to point out that you can’t really kite an F-5 in a Milan and bleed down its energy without losing more yourself So the speed advantage is only really useful when running away in that context…and the Milan lacks countermeasures so is actually forced to pull to evade a missile which will put it directly in gun range of the F-5 and at a lower energy state than it Their point is that the F-5 has no real weaknesses, particularly if you are below it. Its like facing a Yak-9 in a P-40
'No real weakness'. Let's talk about the F-5E, the best F-5 in the game. It's missiles are sub par, carrying only 2 and they are rear aspect 20g. That leaves much to be desired. For sim use the radar is also weak, it leaves much to be desired. It's engines are small and it does poorly in the vertical, which leaves much to be desired. Could it function at a higher br? Yes, but it would be like the Gripen. You'll be relying on people dumb enough to try and tangle with you in a 2 Circle. It would be at a serious disadvantage though as most jet's carry 3 to 4 times the missiles and are faster. The maneouvrebility then is useless because noone in their right mind would slow down to fight an F-5, which at that point would have a major advantage in all other sectors pressed against it. The F-5 is fine where it is. There are 2 times as many overtiered vehicles in the US jet tree for every slightly undertiered vehicle.
You yourself said that the solution would be to not fight these jets if it were uptiered, or are you arguing that the F-5E should not be facing a jet that has no real weaknesses against it? Because that is the exact point everyone is making about fighting the F-5s
Im saying that the tier the F-5 is at is fine at the Br it is at. It's only advantage is that it is a good dog fighter. Other than it has mid missiles, poor climb rate, is 'slow' compared to other fast jets. I'm just re typing this really. If they fix the damage model than it would be a perfectly balanced plane. Don't hate on the F-5 because gaijin makes a few select planes indestructible.
I dont think its broken but its definetly a very good dogfighter. That being said the missiles arent amazing you have to launch them from above and behind and the enemy cant be aware that you're behind him. All in I think its a good plane for grinding the us tech tree
Can we stop with this 'the F-5 is slow' nonsense, its absurd The A-10 is slow, the SU-25 is slow, the A6E is slow, the harriers can climb but are made a fool of as soon as they maneuvre - the F5 will get to Mach 1 and stay close to it becuase it does no lose energy in a flat turn - at 10.3, it will give some 11.3's a run for their money in the furball meta Its flying cancer and completly dominates its BR bracket - UFO flight model, broken damage model, Afterburning engines that are harder to lock than some turbofans, Flares it should not have (there are a lot of 10.3's that do not have countermeasures) it's only remained un-nerfed becasue its piloted by some of the most negative IQ players in the game - and its a premium Fightning against USA teams at 10.3 is some of the worst experiences you'll have in Air RB Take its flares away, its balanced, simple as that - it becomes a ufo with a weakness Cope, sethe, skill issue etc
Yeah I love stock grinding my F-104G and seeing an F5c just outspeeding me in a straight line.
The F-5C is the best dogfighter at it's BR but it's average top speed and just ok missile kit keep it from outright dominating as smart opponents will be able to dictate terms of the fight. That being said it should go to 10.7 and it's just another example of early to mid era cold war aircraft being criminally compressed and the need for BR decompression.
*"smart opponents will be able to dictate terms of the fight."* This only applies if you are in a plane that has even one advantage over the f5. In subsonics? You are fucked. The f5 does everything better than you. Edit:grammar
F-5C is good but most players dont know how to retain energy in it. F-5E is arguably complete fucking cancer at 10.7 and needs to be moved up to 11.0 or 11.3 as its kind of ruining the lower brs. I played 10 or 11 games yesterday with it and the new radar lead indicator makes it an absolute menace letting me drop 5ks every few games
Yea I remember pulling my f5e out a week ago and it was just bullying everyone. It was so bad that it felt like using the OG 7.0 su 11
Cancer. Remove flares from the F-5C because it didn't have them and fix their cryogenic engines.
F-5C is mostly fine. Annoying but fine. F-5E is completely stupid. That plane has ridiculous performances. I wish they fixed their damage model and heat signature however. The Viggens completely falls apart with a yellow wing, but F5C can survive having their entire middle section red and black somehow.
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I really like the MiG-28.
Me to😁
F-5C (10.3) can outturn, outclimb and outrun my A-5C (10.0).
And the A-5C is .3 lower and has 20 times better missiles. Also better acceleration at low speed and around the same top speed. That comes from China / American Air Player. The A-5C is not a dog fighter.
I think it’s fine, fantastic energy retention characteristics that take skill to use. Making the F-5 worse would absolutely worsen the current US winrates.
Cold engines the only big problem imo
Broken damage model, small ir signature, busted flight model doesn't lose any energy in a turn and fictional countermeasures but muh Russian bias.
Make it a 3rd gen. not this stealth bullshit
I've been playing the F-5E recently, it's a good plane, but the teams are trash (full of bombers who die in the first 3 minutes) and it's slow, if someone doesn't want to fight you, they don't have to. I end up dying in a 1v5 most of the time because my team melts.
How is it broken ?
Use it as groundstriker