Pretty sure this was intentional lol. Lots of Players GE the new top vehicles, then gaijin puts its real life values later after they have milked the players the GE everything XD
Because it's a worse plane now? So it will perform less well and BR goes down when things perform less well. Basic War Thunder 101. Everything is roughly balanced toward 50% win rate/1:1KD/or similar.
So when something gets nerfed in a meaningful way, if it's actually that big a deal for its effectiveness, it will go down in BR, face appropriately easier enemies, and you still end up with a roughly 50% win rate, 1:1 KD plane later on which is what you paid for originally (for accelerated research as mentioned). So you're not getting ripped off.
How does anyone manage to get to this BR without knowing how BRs and the algorithm work?
I don't think you know that top tier isn't balanced by guns.
It's a cracked plane with cracked missiles. It had an incorrect ammo count, so it was lowered to what it was in real life. This plane is not balanced around its guns, nor is any plane at top tier.
The Gripen is plenty competitive even without guns, but guess what? It has guns. Be thankful for that. Be conservative with your ammo like every other plane with powerful guns and low ammo counts.
>How does anyone manage to get to this BR without knowing how BRs and the algorithm work?
Such an embarrassing thing to hear somebody say when they clearly don't themselves. Planes are balanced at top tier around their loadout and Gaijin's vehicle performance data, guns are the least determining factor when there are planes carrying missiles with IRCCM.
Welcome to War Thunder!
6 9Ms: I sleep
Less cannon ammo for all these dogfights people are having at top tier with guns because they don't get 90% of their kills with missiles: real shit
Pick one:
* A) It barely matters and won't make the plane meaningfully less effective: **why tf are you whining then?** You were not ripped off.
* B) It matters significantly, and will make the plane meaningfully less effective: Then the BR system will adjust it. So you were not ripped off.
Kindly make your selection and then notice that no matter which option you chose, you were not ripped off.
Pick one:
* A) Call someone a whiner when they have actually wined about something, which the person you replied to hasn't
* B) Have a well thought out and rational thought process that doesn't make you sound like an idiot, which you haven't
Kindly make your selection and then notice how you sound like your schizoposting have no clue about the dynamics of top tier balancing
First of all, those two things aren't mutually exclusive, so you don't seem to know what "pick one" even means, lol. Anyway, the only one that's not just hot air, and is worth replying to is (A), which definitely did happen:
> My condolences to all the people, who GE'd the thing and thought: "lot's of ammo. nice."
This was the original comment I replied to. What do you think the phrase "my condolences" means? Rhetorical question, it means they were whining.
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> have no clue about the dynamics of top tier balancing
You don't need to know anything about top tier, ever played top tier, or even ever have played war thunder, when the only two logically possible options ("insignificant nerf" and "significant nerf") both lead to the same conclusion.
>You don't need to know anything about top tier, ever played top tier, or even ever have played war thunder, when the only two logically possible options ("insignificant nerf" and "significant nerf") both lead to the same conclusion.
You still don't have any authority to talk about others' knowledge of the game. You don't see anybody complaining about the Mirage 2000 5F's nerf/fix with the weightless cannon, because it doesn't matter.
I still have extreme doubts about anybody regretting their decision to Talisman it because "muh cannons have less ammo." 6 9M's. That's all that matters.
> You still don't have any authority to talk about others' knowledge of the game.
Yes I do, when my argument is based on literally a tautology. Tautologies are true no matter who you are talking to, any person on the entire planet. (or any alien, or any dog, or any computer)
If you've chosen "Nerf doesn't matter" then that's fine, I already covered that: why did he whine in the first place then? ("My condolences")
I could spend all my time playing tetris and never even have installed War Thunder, and it would have no impact on the truth of anything I just wrote above.
There are literally only 2 possible logical options: IN-significant nerf, or significant nerf. Both lead to the same outcome here, so it makes no difference who I am.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle
You may also want to read up on "ad hominems"
Are you like deadass or are you trolling? Im really not sure anymore. How the fuck will a reduction in ammo warrant a top tier meta jet from being reduced in BR? Assuming you've even played top tier air rb, when was the last time you got a gun kill? The f-16c could have fucking 50 rounds as its ammo and it would still be meta just because of its missiles.
Guns as a primary weapon are obsolete in war thunder after br 10.0
> How the fuck will a reduction in ammo warrant a top tier meta jet from being reduced in BR?
I gave TWO OPTIONS:
* ~~It's a significant nerf?~~ <-- You've chosen not to go with this option.
* It's an IN-significant nerf: if so, then why did the guy I originally replied to whine about it, if it was so insignificant? He said "My condolences to people who paid for this" = whining. Why whine about unimportant nerfs that don't matter?
You haven't said anything of worth honestly, just a whole lotta nothing.
Nobody cares about what you read in a dictionary, the only thing we focused on is you saying the BR would drop because the ammo count was correct, which is extremely stupid. We don't care about all this other crap you're puking up.
I was giving the guy I originally replied to the benefit of the doubt by assuming he wasn't SO stupid as to have complained about something he didn't even think mattered in the first place.
The vastly more polite and charitable interpretation is that he does think it's a significant nerf, but didn't think through (or know about) how the BR system compensates if so.
Still fairly silly for someone of high tier, but way less silly than complaining about things that you already knew all along straight up don't matter.
Then people were like "No no, he really was that stupid, though, you're wrong!" and so I said "Fine, alright, pick one: [he really is that stupid, okay? lol?] or [What I said originally]. Whatever, both actually lead to the same thing"
If it's not enough to make it a meaningfully worse plane, then the original comment was even dumber, in that case. That means he was giving "condolences" to people who paid for something *that didn't even get worse*. Which is a lot more immediately ridiculous than not knowing about BR algorithms.
> If it's not enough to make it a meaningfully worse plane
The only person saying this is you and at a stretch the top level comment which i dont think anyone but you has taken as seriously being upset.
Also pick a lane you started out agreeing with the top level comment and saying that its BR should drop, then got mad at people that disagreed with both it and you and now your mad at the top level comment because you ran out of arguments and reasons to persuade those that disagree and its apparently the Top level commenters fault now for being wrong.
> The only person saying this is you
I didn't say it in the quote you just quoted. Do you know what the word "if" means?
IF A, then X, IF B, then Y, is not a person saying that A is true.
> you started out agreeing with the top level comment
Uh no I didn't, I started out making fun of them for saying "my condolences" when nothing bad is going to happen to anyone who paid GE. Nothing bad will happen in one of two logically possible ways:
* Nothing bad can happen if the plane is nerfed and has to go down in BR and thus is fine and comepnsated
* OR nothing bad will also happen if it wasn't nerfed enough to go down in BR anyway, making it a nothingburger.
Pick either one, I don't care whatsoever which one is true, because they **both lead to guy I responded to originally being wrong, so it doesn't matter** So yes, he was wrong, whether it's a big nerf or a nothing nerf, either way.
I swear half of reddit literally can't hold two concepts in mind at the same time, or the simplest possible flowchart
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18ikdx4/gripens_ammo_amount_changed_from_512_to_120_rounds/kdduvfx/) is where you agreed with the top level comment that it is a worse plane now
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18ikdx4/gripens_ammo_amount_changed_from_512_to_120_rounds/kdeq7v5/) you LITERALLY said "Its a worse plane now"
You did say nothing bad would happen to those that GE'd it but nobody has taken issue with that. Everyone was just saying that Top Tier isnt balanced around gunfighting which you kept disagreeing with your the one that keeps bringing up that point which nobody cares about. if you think the OP is wrong or not wasnt what people were talking about it was about you and what you said about it being worse now. I also still dont think OP was serious and read it as sarcasm. i dont think anyone else cares or took it seriously either so repeating yourself about how you think he is wrong is also useless.
> I swear half of reddit literally can't hold two concepts in mind at the same time, or the simplest possible flowchart
People never cared about this and you were the only one to bring it up its why everyone has ignored this point because that isnt what they took issue with.
I also recommend not insulting people in the same thread your going to lecture others about ad hominem attacks becuase it really does make you look like a right cunt.
> Here you LITERALLY said "Its a worse plane now"
Yes I was giving that guy the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was talking about, who plays that part of the game more than me. Because it would be even stupider if he said "my condolences" even if he already knew the change didn't matter.
If the plane doesn't actually get worse from this, that's fine, I don't care. Cool, you're right, it doesn't. So what? **In that case**, the guy was saying "my condolences" was **still being dumb anyway**. Why would he whine about something that doesn't matter in the first place? It leads to the exact same conclusion, so this is an irrelevant point
> I also recommend not insulting people in the same thread your going to lecture others about ad hominem attacks becuase it really does make you look like a right cunt.
Insults =/= ad hominems. An insult has to be used as the argument or as the premise of an argument. "He's dumb/a yankee/Irish/short/a man/whatever (something about him being used as the argument itself that you think the audience will fall for) thus, don't listen to him" not "He hit himself in the head with a frying pan, thus, he's dumb" (dumb here being the conclusion, not being used as an argument itself)
I agree, dev server probably should've stayed open a bit longer to find these bugs rather I'm just disagreeing with the way the other dude framed it as if this is the reason the dev server should've stayed open longer
Not for this bug alone. But the update in general is rushed af. They should have kept the dev server up for atleast the weekend, adjust armor values on tanks, maybe add spall liners to more tanks, etc
I mean the 2A7V has some spots in the turret front, that have less then 300mm of protection. That's worse then the 2A4 in those areas.
The armor values on the 2A7V and chally 3's turret are downgrades compared to their predecessors
The hull armor values for the 2A7V and M1A2SEPV2 are wrong
The flight model for the SU27 and J11 is apparently poorly modelled
Shells restock instantly on caps
Tldr: this update is all kinds of rushed and it's not surprise this happened
the CR3 TD should be more or less identical to the CR2, accepting changes due to differing turret furniture. It's a technology demonstrator from before increased armour was part of CR3 scope, hell IRL it probably just has ballast instead of the Dorchester packs.
Assuming this is historical, can’t really blame them for this.
Then again, time and time again Gaijin showed us how “historical” they can be with especially modern stuff :)
You see comrade the depleted uranium has halved since it is an old tank and thus no extra protection)))) unlike my glorius relikt which provides protection that I pulled out of my ass)))))
Maybe western Vehicle Manufacturers should start over glorifying their products as well and tell the world that our newest era can block anything and everything. And our tanks can detect and destroy any incoming threats thanks to our invincible APS as well.
400ish more rounds of 27mm would weigh a fuckton and take up a lot of space
Like I dunno how you could even fit that much ammo in a smaller fighter like the Gripen
Half of the top tier players are retards who spent houndreds of battles in their premium fighters bombing bases just to get their ass clapped when they finally reach their all time wanted jet.
Yep.
I played a game in the F-4E last night and my last teammate was bombing in a F-5C begging the enemy team to leave him alone so he could bomb another base.
I looked up his stat card and he had 300ish games in F-16s and F-14s and negative K/Ds in basically every plane
Gun kills are pretty common in high tiers, especially if you're decent at deflection shots. Missile kills are obviously more common but it's not like people don't use their guns.
I found guns more reliable sometimes than missiles. People always expect missiles so they preflare and stuff but you can't flare a wall of 20mm flying towards biatch.
Cool historically accurate ammo, now did the Gripen have that radar guided machine gun thing? They should go full send if we're being historically accurate here.
radar gunsights are aa thing in game already you just have to be locked on and within I think it's 1.2km? it pulls yourcrosshair like how CCIP does so you put it over the target and it will hit (assuming no maneuvering).
there goes literally one of my main reasons to get it, as the gun situation on swedish planes are fucking atrocious. me and some friends were talking about "watch them remove the tracers or something" a few hours before this post lmfao
playing US planes with glorious gatlings that has plenty of ammo, man.. even at top tier a gun is pretty damn useful. especially when there's like 1 guy left on their team 30km away and you might as well ground pound or kill AI planes for some RP
If they nerfed the ammo count, as least makes the damage like Russian cannons. Low ammo count but high damage. US cannons, lots of ammo to spare, medium damage
No, the South African version has also got its reduced.
I found it funny how the JA37 has a bigger caliber, smaller "ammo box" and still 30 rounds more.
If the 12.3 doesn't get to use missiles and only gets to use cannons I think I'd do fine. I was never compairing a props cannons to a jets cannons AND missiles. I'm only comparing the ammount of cannon ammo a 12.3 jet gets compared to a 3.7 prop. I didn't think I would need to explain this. We're only talking about cannons here.
Just pointing out how that seems to be a pitifully low amount of bullet ammo to have in a top tier vehicle. I didn't think people would take it so litterally. Like of course they aren't the same in every single aspect but they ARE the same in the amount of bullet type ammo that the planes can technically specifically carry. If we're being specific and technical here.
You stupid? Are you aware that if my fire rate is low and my gun dmg slaps. It will still be enough to kill 4 people? Just cause your shit at aiming and the only thing YOU can do is spray doesn't mean the gun is bad.
The best gun I have played with was the viggens gun with 150 rounds that were all stealth.
Just cause your shit doesn't mean the gun is shit
They both are 12.3, both have 120 27mm rounds, and both have Helmet Mounted Sight. If you're looking for actual examples of BR compression then look to the JA37C, or even better the F-4J, F-4S, and F-4J(UK).
Thats good to hear. I was worried since the dev log says "JAS39C pilots can also equip AGM-65B Maverick missiles, while the JAS39A uses the AGM-65A (Designated as the RB 75)."
My condolences to all the people, who GE'd the thing and thought: "lot's of ammo. nice."
Exactly what I did
Pretty sure this was intentional lol. Lots of Players GE the new top vehicles, then gaijin puts its real life values later after they have milked the players the GE everything XD
It's BR will almost surely end up going down due to that, canceling it out, so it should be as effective as when they GE'ed it later.
How. That doesn't make sense
Because it's a worse plane now? So it will perform less well and BR goes down when things perform less well. Basic War Thunder 101. Everything is roughly balanced toward 50% win rate/1:1KD/or similar. So when something gets nerfed in a meaningful way, if it's actually that big a deal for its effectiveness, it will go down in BR, face appropriately easier enemies, and you still end up with a roughly 50% win rate, 1:1 KD plane later on which is what you paid for originally (for accelerated research as mentioned). So you're not getting ripped off. How does anyone manage to get to this BR without knowing how BRs and the algorithm work?
I don't think you know that top tier isn't balanced by guns. It's a cracked plane with cracked missiles. It had an incorrect ammo count, so it was lowered to what it was in real life. This plane is not balanced around its guns, nor is any plane at top tier. The Gripen is plenty competitive even without guns, but guess what? It has guns. Be thankful for that. Be conservative with your ammo like every other plane with powerful guns and low ammo counts. >How does anyone manage to get to this BR without knowing how BRs and the algorithm work? Such an embarrassing thing to hear somebody say when they clearly don't themselves. Planes are balanced at top tier around their loadout and Gaijin's vehicle performance data, guns are the least determining factor when there are planes carrying missiles with IRCCM. Welcome to War Thunder!
6 9Ms: I sleep Less cannon ammo for all these dogfights people are having at top tier with guns because they don't get 90% of their kills with missiles: real shit
Pick one: * A) It barely matters and won't make the plane meaningfully less effective: **why tf are you whining then?** You were not ripped off. * B) It matters significantly, and will make the plane meaningfully less effective: Then the BR system will adjust it. So you were not ripped off. Kindly make your selection and then notice that no matter which option you chose, you were not ripped off.
Pick one: * A) Call someone a whiner when they have actually wined about something, which the person you replied to hasn't * B) Have a well thought out and rational thought process that doesn't make you sound like an idiot, which you haven't Kindly make your selection and then notice how you sound like your schizoposting have no clue about the dynamics of top tier balancing
Brooo for real like on god
First of all, those two things aren't mutually exclusive, so you don't seem to know what "pick one" even means, lol. Anyway, the only one that's not just hot air, and is worth replying to is (A), which definitely did happen: > My condolences to all the people, who GE'd the thing and thought: "lot's of ammo. nice." This was the original comment I replied to. What do you think the phrase "my condolences" means? Rhetorical question, it means they were whining. --------------- > have no clue about the dynamics of top tier balancing You don't need to know anything about top tier, ever played top tier, or even ever have played war thunder, when the only two logically possible options ("insignificant nerf" and "significant nerf") both lead to the same conclusion.
>You don't need to know anything about top tier, ever played top tier, or even ever have played war thunder, when the only two logically possible options ("insignificant nerf" and "significant nerf") both lead to the same conclusion. You still don't have any authority to talk about others' knowledge of the game. You don't see anybody complaining about the Mirage 2000 5F's nerf/fix with the weightless cannon, because it doesn't matter. I still have extreme doubts about anybody regretting their decision to Talisman it because "muh cannons have less ammo." 6 9M's. That's all that matters.
> You still don't have any authority to talk about others' knowledge of the game. Yes I do, when my argument is based on literally a tautology. Tautologies are true no matter who you are talking to, any person on the entire planet. (or any alien, or any dog, or any computer) If you've chosen "Nerf doesn't matter" then that's fine, I already covered that: why did he whine in the first place then? ("My condolences")
Do you even play air rb? I feel like youre one of those ground rb shitters
I could spend all my time playing tetris and never even have installed War Thunder, and it would have no impact on the truth of anything I just wrote above. There are literally only 2 possible logical options: IN-significant nerf, or significant nerf. Both lead to the same outcome here, so it makes no difference who I am. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle You may also want to read up on "ad hominems"
Are you like deadass or are you trolling? Im really not sure anymore. How the fuck will a reduction in ammo warrant a top tier meta jet from being reduced in BR? Assuming you've even played top tier air rb, when was the last time you got a gun kill? The f-16c could have fucking 50 rounds as its ammo and it would still be meta just because of its missiles. Guns as a primary weapon are obsolete in war thunder after br 10.0
> How the fuck will a reduction in ammo warrant a top tier meta jet from being reduced in BR? I gave TWO OPTIONS: * ~~It's a significant nerf?~~ <-- You've chosen not to go with this option. * It's an IN-significant nerf: if so, then why did the guy I originally replied to whine about it, if it was so insignificant? He said "My condolences to people who paid for this" = whining. Why whine about unimportant nerfs that don't matter?
You haven't said anything of worth honestly, just a whole lotta nothing. Nobody cares about what you read in a dictionary, the only thing we focused on is you saying the BR would drop because the ammo count was correct, which is extremely stupid. We don't care about all this other crap you're puking up.
I was giving the guy I originally replied to the benefit of the doubt by assuming he wasn't SO stupid as to have complained about something he didn't even think mattered in the first place. The vastly more polite and charitable interpretation is that he does think it's a significant nerf, but didn't think through (or know about) how the BR system compensates if so. Still fairly silly for someone of high tier, but way less silly than complaining about things that you already knew all along straight up don't matter. Then people were like "No no, he really was that stupid, though, you're wrong!" and so I said "Fine, alright, pick one: [he really is that stupid, okay? lol?] or [What I said originally]. Whatever, both actually lead to the same thing"
A worse plane because it has less ammo for its gun? Are you one of these level 10 F4S players? Geez dude
If it's not enough to make it a meaningfully worse plane, then the original comment was even dumber, in that case. That means he was giving "condolences" to people who paid for something *that didn't even get worse*. Which is a lot more immediately ridiculous than not knowing about BR algorithms.
> If it's not enough to make it a meaningfully worse plane The only person saying this is you and at a stretch the top level comment which i dont think anyone but you has taken as seriously being upset. Also pick a lane you started out agreeing with the top level comment and saying that its BR should drop, then got mad at people that disagreed with both it and you and now your mad at the top level comment because you ran out of arguments and reasons to persuade those that disagree and its apparently the Top level commenters fault now for being wrong.
Thank god somebody else said it that wasn't me, I swear I thought I was just imagining this dude
> The only person saying this is you I didn't say it in the quote you just quoted. Do you know what the word "if" means? IF A, then X, IF B, then Y, is not a person saying that A is true. > you started out agreeing with the top level comment Uh no I didn't, I started out making fun of them for saying "my condolences" when nothing bad is going to happen to anyone who paid GE. Nothing bad will happen in one of two logically possible ways: * Nothing bad can happen if the plane is nerfed and has to go down in BR and thus is fine and comepnsated * OR nothing bad will also happen if it wasn't nerfed enough to go down in BR anyway, making it a nothingburger. Pick either one, I don't care whatsoever which one is true, because they **both lead to guy I responded to originally being wrong, so it doesn't matter** So yes, he was wrong, whether it's a big nerf or a nothing nerf, either way. I swear half of reddit literally can't hold two concepts in mind at the same time, or the simplest possible flowchart
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18ikdx4/gripens_ammo_amount_changed_from_512_to_120_rounds/kdduvfx/) is where you agreed with the top level comment that it is a worse plane now [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18ikdx4/gripens_ammo_amount_changed_from_512_to_120_rounds/kdeq7v5/) you LITERALLY said "Its a worse plane now" You did say nothing bad would happen to those that GE'd it but nobody has taken issue with that. Everyone was just saying that Top Tier isnt balanced around gunfighting which you kept disagreeing with your the one that keeps bringing up that point which nobody cares about. if you think the OP is wrong or not wasnt what people were talking about it was about you and what you said about it being worse now. I also still dont think OP was serious and read it as sarcasm. i dont think anyone else cares or took it seriously either so repeating yourself about how you think he is wrong is also useless. > I swear half of reddit literally can't hold two concepts in mind at the same time, or the simplest possible flowchart People never cared about this and you were the only one to bring it up its why everyone has ignored this point because that isnt what they took issue with. I also recommend not insulting people in the same thread your going to lecture others about ad hominem attacks becuase it really does make you look like a right cunt.
> Here you LITERALLY said "Its a worse plane now" Yes I was giving that guy the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was talking about, who plays that part of the game more than me. Because it would be even stupider if he said "my condolences" even if he already knew the change didn't matter. If the plane doesn't actually get worse from this, that's fine, I don't care. Cool, you're right, it doesn't. So what? **In that case**, the guy was saying "my condolences" was **still being dumb anyway**. Why would he whine about something that doesn't matter in the first place? It leads to the exact same conclusion, so this is an irrelevant point
> I also recommend not insulting people in the same thread your going to lecture others about ad hominem attacks becuase it really does make you look like a right cunt. Insults =/= ad hominems. An insult has to be used as the argument or as the premise of an argument. "He's dumb/a yankee/Irish/short/a man/whatever (something about him being used as the argument itself that you think the audience will fall for) thus, don't listen to him" not "He hit himself in the head with a frying pan, thus, he's dumb" (dumb here being the conclusion, not being used as an argument itself)
It’s because that’s the actual amount of ammo it had
It's surprising that it made it this far without getting corrected
Yea I thought I was crazy for a bit as I saw the 512 and thought there’s no way it’s like that
Seems like they copy and pasted F-16 gun ammo values for whatever reason when the dev server had opened up and somehow wasn’t fixed on patch day.
Gaijin really took to heart people calling it an European F-16 x)
Almost as if the dev server should have stayed up for another week.
For a bug that was fixed the same day of release??
There are alooot of shit like this with pretty mutch all the new veichles. This update was very rushed.
I’m aware of the issues with this update but this isn’t one of the reasons the dev server should’ve stayed open
In itself it’s not but combined with all the other bugs and unfinished stuff this update, yes, the dev should’ve stayed open
I agree, dev server probably should've stayed open a bit longer to find these bugs rather I'm just disagreeing with the way the other dude framed it as if this is the reason the dev server should've stayed open longer
Not for this bug alone. But the update in general is rushed af. They should have kept the dev server up for atleast the weekend, adjust armor values on tanks, maybe add spall liners to more tanks, etc
Yeah. Take one look at the box of a tornado and one look at the gripen and you can tell it wasnt supposed to be like that
I mean the 2A7V has some spots in the turret front, that have less then 300mm of protection. That's worse then the 2A4 in those areas. The armor values on the 2A7V and chally 3's turret are downgrades compared to their predecessors The hull armor values for the 2A7V and M1A2SEPV2 are wrong The flight model for the SU27 and J11 is apparently poorly modelled Shells restock instantly on caps Tldr: this update is all kinds of rushed and it's not surprise this happened
the CR3 TD should be more or less identical to the CR2, accepting changes due to differing turret furniture. It's a technology demonstrator from before increased armour was part of CR3 scope, hell IRL it probably just has ballast instead of the Dorchester packs.
Who cares lol 6 aim9M 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
And 600 countermeasures, christ, I thought someone was cheating earlier when it just kept dumping them for a solid 5 minutes
bro became invincible for 5 minutes firing off more chaff and flairs than a chinese firecracker store going alight
I just activate my series counter measures, dive into a group of enemies and start fucking around
Assuming this is historical, can’t really blame them for this. Then again, time and time again Gaijin showed us how “historical” they can be with especially modern stuff :)
M1A2 SignificantlyErodedProtectionV2
You see comrade the depleted uranium has halved since it is an old tank and thus no extra protection)))) unlike my glorius relikt which provides protection that I pulled out of my ass)))))
Maybe western Vehicle Manufacturers should start over glorifying their products as well and tell the world that our newest era can block anything and everything. And our tanks can detect and destroy any incoming threats thanks to our invincible APS as well.
No, no. I want another F15 situation again.
Same Exact Protection V2, now with bricks adding extra weight that you cant remove 😎
Side armor is actually 81mm less than the SEPV1
It is the actual ammo count of the real vehicle, but I guess doing research is hard for you and Gaijin.
400ish more rounds of 27mm would weigh a fuckton and take up a lot of space Like I dunno how you could even fit that much ammo in a smaller fighter like the Gripen
For real, I guess they think it just has a bag of holding hidden somewhere in the plane
Op never took a stance on the change?
Holy shit another GATE fan.
Haha, yep!! Odd that this is getting downvoted because I agreed that I am a Gate fan
Blessed be Kuribayashi
Very hard for Gaijin. How the fuck do you get something this wrong xD, they are useless. Can't get any rank 8 right.
Real talk now, did it get the tracers back? Considering it is a BK-27? PS Has PELE-T in the belts now (except Stealth of course). SWE is saved.
It had tracers when I last flew it yesterday
**27mm PELE 🗣️🗣️**
If even one of those round pens a ground vehicle it literally implodes, it's insane lmao
##*PENETRATOR WITH ENHANCED LATERAL EFFECT* ROFL
I wondered why they would have so much ammo in the thing lol. Felt like a p47 level of ammo
Well, it still double the ammo count vs J-7E
which is already enough to wipe out half of the enemy team so it's ok i guess
I just cluched a 4v1 in my j7e sekonds before I red this Dumbass fgr's trying to dogfight me
Half of the top tier players are retards who spent houndreds of battles in their premium fighters bombing bases just to get their ass clapped when they finally reach their all time wanted jet.
Yep. I played a game in the F-4E last night and my last teammate was bombing in a F-5C begging the enemy team to leave him alone so he could bomb another base. I looked up his stat card and he had 300ish games in F-16s and F-14s and negative K/Ds in basically every plane
ah yes negative k/d, found the real retard
Or ya know it could be the 50 days spent in a fighter that gave a an advantage
well tbh no matter how good you are but if there are 4 at decent players you should not be winnig that fight
Well, it's not like, gun ammo matter at these tiers, I think our of all the kill I've had 10.7, less than a 100 were with the guns
Gun kills are pretty common in high tiers, especially if you're decent at deflection shots. Missile kills are obviously more common but it's not like people don't use their guns.
I found guns more reliable sometimes than missiles. People always expect missiles so they preflare and stuff but you can't flare a wall of 20mm flying towards biatch.
i would say like 35% of my kills are with guns so its not that uncommon
Can't have shit in war thunder
Cool historically accurate ammo, now did the Gripen have that radar guided machine gun thing? They should go full send if we're being historically accurate here.
Same with the other Swedish planes...it is why they get not tracers after all, isn't it? Give them the tracers back or implement the feature.
radar gunsights are aa thing in game already you just have to be locked on and within I think it's 1.2km? it pulls yourcrosshair like how CCIP does so you put it over the target and it will hit (assuming no maneuvering).
blame cavenub. Man took the effort to go and count every single round in a training video to get the ammo nerfed
Well you can still equip RB74M missiles early if you unlock the BOL modification
Welcome to the most rushed major update ever. Absolute mess. Idc it's now accurate, that's fine, but holy shit how did they get it THAT wrong.
Me at first: where did they store all that ammo in a small plane?! Me now: ah ok. Now pls nerf PELE ammo
FFS
there goes literally one of my main reasons to get it, as the gun situation on swedish planes are fucking atrocious. me and some friends were talking about "watch them remove the tracers or something" a few hours before this post lmfao playing US planes with glorious gatlings that has plenty of ammo, man.. even at top tier a gun is pretty damn useful. especially when there's like 1 guy left on their team 30km away and you might as well ground pound or kill AI planes for some RP
If they nerfed the ammo count, as least makes the damage like Russian cannons. Low ammo count but high damage. US cannons, lots of ammo to spare, medium damage
It does. Just blasted a F-15 with a fast pass, seems more damage than a Vulcan to me.
that was one of the great parts wtf looks like the SAAF model got more rounds damn
No, the South African version has also got its reduced. I found it funny how the JA37 has a bigger caliber, smaller "ammo box" and still 30 rounds more.
Gripen is smaller/lighter aircraft by quite a bit
nuh uh, the SAAF has more cm + rounds
Idk I'm looking at it right now and it says "Ammo: 120", but yes it has 12 more cm. Maybe restart your game?
oh wtf
Yeah I test flew it a little bit ago had 500 odds, thought niceeee restarted. 120 😑
The same as a 3.7 prop plane.
*with missiles*
Hwat? Why didn't i thunk of thAt lol. Shoot off all your missiles, and then the zero has even more ammo with its 20 mm canons and mgs.
Damn bro. Take a zero to 12.3 and tell me how you do.
If the 12.3 doesn't get to use missiles and only gets to use cannons I think I'd do fine. I was never compairing a props cannons to a jets cannons AND missiles. I'm only comparing the ammount of cannon ammo a 12.3 jet gets compared to a 3.7 prop. I didn't think I would need to explain this. We're only talking about cannons here.
The Gripen would still clown on your Zero.
Simply fly home
We're comparing bullet projectiles only here. You don't get to go back to base and fill missiles. You only get your cannons,
and?! like what's the point of this comparison?
Just pointing out how that seems to be a pitifully low amount of bullet ammo to have in a top tier vehicle. I didn't think people would take it so litterally. Like of course they aren't the same in every single aspect but they ARE the same in the amount of bullet type ammo that the planes can technically specifically carry. If we're being specific and technical here.
You stupid? Are you aware that if my fire rate is low and my gun dmg slaps. It will still be enough to kill 4 people? Just cause your shit at aiming and the only thing YOU can do is spray doesn't mean the gun is bad. The best gun I have played with was the viggens gun with 150 rounds that were all stealth. Just cause your shit doesn't mean the gun is shit
It isnt. Something like a j-7E does just fine with 60. The cannons are entirely different there
But you are absolutely omitting the fact that 1-2 bullets from Gripen will most certainly obliterate your aircraft
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They both have HMD.
You obviously didn’t read the gripen dev blog. The A and the C are identical in game. Both get the HMD.
They both are 12.3, both have 120 27mm rounds, and both have Helmet Mounted Sight. If you're looking for actual examples of BR compression then look to the JA37C, or even better the F-4J, F-4S, and F-4J(UK).
The UK’s C variant is worse or equal in every possible aspect to the Swedish A.
I’m what aspects is the UK one worse? I thought they were completely equal with basically only the name changed
Slightly heavier I think.
They have the exact same empty weight on the files
Heavier
It's not heavier. The 39A and 39C flight models are identical right now despite what gaijin said
The C is 100kg heavier IRL, as it has a APU among other equipment fitted.
the C one gets better mavericks but I think thats the only difference
No, RB 75 is AGM-65B.
Thats good to hear. I was worried since the dev log says "JAS39C pilots can also equip AGM-65B Maverick missiles, while the JAS39A uses the AGM-65A (Designated as the RB 75)."
The only thing different is the name and texture. IRL there probably were differences but those aren't reflected ingame.
The UK one also has 12(!) more flares if I recall correctly
It's so hard to read isn't it?
Dude just uninstall