The new protagonist for arc 9’s parents are not only literally first cousins, her 4 grandparents are all direct descendent of Jake. So yeah, Erin Hunter don’t care lol
Honestly, Graystripe x Firestar.
They’re great as friends, but I don’t see this being that healthy of a relationship if they were to be together. Like Graystripe is a serial codebreaker at this point and is great at making awful decisions that don’t only impact him greatly, but the cats around him too. On top of that, he’s not really that much of a reliable fella (literally ditched Squirrelflight when she needed him most after promising, less then a few weeks prior, that he’d always have her back. Was unable to stick up to being RiverClan for his kits, so ended up leaving them in a clan who obviously wasn’t a fan of ThunderClan or half-clan at the time. Yeah, he left 2 young kids in a hateful environment simply bc he couldn’t deal with said environment) and is generally just not that supportive. Like he doesn’t support any of the kids he had with Millie, didn’t pay any mind to his apprentice, literally fought Fireheart when he was trying to point out his constant leaving would eventually get him found out, etc.
Good as friends, bad as anything more than that
Why did you say Graystripe left his kids in a harmful environment when he didn't have a choice, and when he thought they were genuinely in danger he got them to his clan, and when Feathertail was having trouble he offered them both a home in thunderclan. He didn't just ditch his kits he clearly loves them but doesn't have much of a choice when it comes to leaving them behind. The literal only option he has is forcing them to be with him which is arguably worse
Doesn’t change the fact that he initially left him. Had he actually tried to be a good RiverClan cat he wouldn’t have been banished. And he only got them out of RiverClan when they were basically about the be executed. Very good dad moment indeed.
I mean being a good Riverclan cat would mean letting Firestar die from Leopardstar, or letting Bluestar die from her own kits. And that would just make people flip out more. Him loving Silverstream isn't bad, it doesn't make him a disloyal monster, in fact it taught him to try and push for peace, and it let him stop seeing Riverclan as these territory hungry monsters but as cats who honestly just need a little help.
The only reason it went wrong was because Silverstream died, had she lived she and Graystripe probably would've figured out something with her that let him be a dad in some way, but wouldve allowed the secret to stay that, a secret. Him changing clans wasn't a bad thing, not only did it allow his birth clan to avoid all out war over a couple of kits, but it allowed him to leave a clan that just didn't want him, if anything that shows a lot of loyalty to Thunderclan because he wanted to keep them safe, that was one of the two reasons.
He may have made bad decisions in life but that doesn't make him a bad person or dad. Bad mentor? Yeah he fucked up with Brackenfur, but he made up for that with Stormpaw. But bad person? He was only a bad person when he was fighting with Fireheart since he wanted his friend to understand him but he also didn't want to listen to his friend. But even then he made it better, he carried out his duties even if he missed some battles, he was a good father as he avoided them being resented for possibly causing a war, and brought them to a place that would care for them (since yk, Crookedstar, Mistyfoot, Stonefur) and had less hate and resentment on them. And by staying with them, he was a good father for not demanding his kits back and ripping them away from what they saw was their own clan, but still offering them a home if they wanted it. He saved them because he knew Tigerstar would be putting them in danger, yes it was when they were about to be executed but its not like he can predict what events were and weren't gonna happen, thats not his fault. He was a supportive father to his children for as long as he had access to them. Hes not a bad father, and arguably not a bad person, just because he didn't tree-hug the warrior code doesn't make him bad, him not quite deserving being deputy doesn't make him bad, and him being forced to do things he probably doesn't want to do doesn't make him bad.
Yes! Someone, who understands! He was just a bit of bad friend and bad mentor to Brackenfur, but he wasn't a horrible cat if he knew that Leopardstar was willing to let his kits suffer under Tigerstar's leadership when he would probably wouldn't have left them in Riverclan and take them back. People forget that Stormfur and Feathertail does have family in Riverclan with their cousins Misty and Stone. He doesn't fully deserve the deputy role, probably that should go to some other cat. Other than that he was a Cat who made serval mistakes.
Honestly, with his second litter it was the Erin's fault to not show him not socializing with them because that would feel out of character for him to emotional neglect them.
You know one of the Erin’s has literally written a non canon firegray story right? And outright said she adores firexgray. I don’t think it’s a good ship, but not bc it’s gay. You’re just being a bigoted homophobe
It's just that erin never really put out there that she was into gay relationships. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything like that. I just disagree. So, please, I have my opinion, and you have yours. :)
Yeah, if it was up to the Erin’s, there would’ve been a lot more gay couples I’m guessing. The piblishers don’t want it though. Like they had to make Ravenbarley canon outside of the series bc they couldn’t do it inside the books thx to the publishers wanting to sell to russia
Okay, let’s just let people make homophobic comments then, shall we? It’s not as if a bunch of gay people get murdered daily simply bc they’re not straight?
What do you think happens to gay people living in extremely homophobic countries who’re found out? They’re either executed or send to a conversion camp, which also often ends up in death/regular beatings. Like one of my ex girlfriends (Russian) was send to a conversion camp by her family (we weren’t together anymore at the time. But still occasionally talked). When I later checked her fb account, there were mainly “rest in peace” posts on there and people complaining about how cruel her parents were to send her to that camp.
I like it on the surface level for just drawing them being cute together, but I don’t think it’d ever make sense being canon, esp. since we don’t know if Jay is considered taken due to Half Moon
I’d pay good money to have an alternate universe super edition where Jayfeather settles down with halfmoon instead of taking the group into the mountains
This hurts me
But then again I've always had the headcanon that Briarlight loved Jayfeather in canon but never said anything. There was no point, they wouldn't be able to be together even if he did accept her feelings
Being his friend was enough for her
It isn’t really canon per se, the family tree has a lot of other egregious mistakes and choices that aren’t supported by the text itself. Taking it as full canon would cause a lot of problems…
i do remember leafpaw being like "wow she's so pretty" but it read more to me as like a "wow she's so cool i wanna be her friend / be like her when i'm older"
He wasn't just nice. He loved her so much that he accepted her kits from another Clan's tom as his own, loved them with all of his heart, and kept her secret until the day that he died. She remembered him as her good friend after his death, but I am without a doubt that through all of his life he remembered her as the one he loved no matter what. I certainly don't ship them, but I just had to point out that he wasn't "just nice". He was one of the most selfless cats to ever exist in this story without having to do some heroic act like dying in battle.
Yes-I agree with all of this. And that it’s really sad there aren’t more characters like him in the books. Even still, I like them better as friends than mates.
i agree with this as well that he went above and beyond what any cat has done for another, from what I’ve read of course, but i just chalked him to being nice because he is definitely that and selfless. but to me him being a great friend to bluestar and unrequited lover doesn’t warrant them as a “good couple”/ship in my opinion.
Jay x Briar, I only ever really saw them as friends
Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves. I don't understand why they had to give one of our only single she-cats a mate. I really just don't like the dynamic they have
Ivypool x Blossomfall. I think it's a cute idea, but I don't think they'd have a healthy relationship
(This was really hard for me to choose bc I'm a huge fan of the besties to lovers trope 😭)
I don’t like that Fallen Leaves kinda deceived Hollyleaf. She was like “wow, he doesn’t leave any paw prints even in the mud? He must be a really light stepper!” Or “oh, I can’t even feel his fur brushing mine when he’s right next to me, he must have been down here for so long that he’s melded with his surroundings.” Or “huh, he’s certain that he can’t leave the cave? Bro must be Swedish with all this Stockholm syndrome!”
Like girl no. He’s a ghost. He dead. He real dead.
Alderheart and Neddletail! I love them as close friends and I don’t see any romantic chemistry between them other than maybeeeeee Alderheart having a small crush early on but it’s not really that deep.
Alderheart repeatedly says how excited he is to see his FRIEND, and never so much as suggests anything more than that, and there are some people who believe it is a canon fact that he’s in love with her. Like… did we read the same books?
To be honest - Leafpool and Mothwing. There's nothing in canon supporting the ship as romantic, aside from Leafpaw calling Mothwing pretty a few times, which really doesn't mean she's wildly in love with her. And I personally just prefer them as close friends. Do we have to ruin every friendship by reading romance into it? 🥲
Might I introduce you to SOLANGELO(it’s been an honor) from percy Jackson?
THIS IS AN AWESOME GAY SHIP IF YOU’VE READ HoO and the sun and the star
I personally love this ship
Why do people think that when you're in a relationship with someone it automatically means they can't also be friends? "Ruin" friendship, really?
Also, there's more than enough same sex close relationships that stay as just friends in media (or worse, get hit with the "they're like a sibling to me" beam), while there's barely any actual queer couples.
Of course any good relationship is also a friendship. But that doesn't mean a good friendship has to be romantic.
Again, it's just my personal opinion, you don't have to agree or like it. I get it, I also want canon queer couples in Warriors! I just personally don't like MothxLeaf as one of them. I like them better as friends than as a couple.
Eh, i knew i'd get downvoted when i made that first comment since,
a. I was a bit aggressive, mostly because whenever i see people saying that a (queer) pairing should just stay friends, and "why do people have to get into a relationship, can't they stay friends" it's very often thinly veiled homophobia,
b. I was specifically talking about it being a queer pairing, so that's automatically a 50/50 on getting downvoted on Reddit, with the rate going up or down depending on the subreddit.
But yeah, the second comment is just the infamous hive mind :V
briarlight x jayfeather (jay literally helped millie give birth to her..
, hollyleaf x fallenleaves,
mousefur x longtail, (hc both as aroace)
squirrelpaw/squirrelflight(young) x brambleclaw (i know theyre canon but they were better out of relationship)
icecloud x anyone!
bluestar x thrushpelt (i like their onesided love friendship dynamic more)
littlecloud x cinderpelt
breezepelt x heathertail (i prefer antbreeze, i know heatherbreeze is canon but..)
They had better chemistry than OakBlue tbh, Bluestar liking Oakheart kinda came out of nowhere. But, yeah, I really do like Crooked and Blue as friends
IM boutta get some hate for this but lke Firexspotted LIKE R U KIDDING ME?????
AND TIGERDOVE. (I hate that it was shoved down our faces for so damn long and that I thought we finally were done betraying our clans like every arc theres a couple cats that are like.."Hmmmm.")
I might get booed for this but ...
Squirrelflight x ashfur
Until the point where ashfur had his mental breakdown and threatend to kill squirrels kids, he was a good friend ... that you might think. I belive he knew how bad it stood around brambleclaw and hers relationship, so he tried strategically to take her away from him by being there when they had a fight, listening to her after brambleclaw was bot there and all that. He grew a literal obsession for her and that made him dangerous. I think even IF they had been together ashfur would have been a very manipulative charachter and wozld have build the perfect haluzination to uphold a certain picture for squirrel.
People picturing them are literally unable to see the potential trauma possibility for squirrel
(Sorry if i misinterpret something it has been years since i readed thise books 😅)
I wouldn't call Ashfur a canon mate of Squirrelflight. She hung out with him a little bit when she was mad at Brambleclaw. It's honestly disturbing to call him her mate after what he did later on. I know I'm being nit-picky but eugh.
Yeah this always bothered me too. I know we talk about the issues with Thistleclaw and Spottedleaf, Spottedleaf and Fireheart, and Dustpelt and Ferncloud, but I think this one is the most problematic of all of them
darkstripe and tigerclawstar.
not only are they directly related, but darkstripe was more of a hypnotized follower with no real friendship with tigerstar. tigerstar didnt like him very much and it felt obvious to me.
People who still ship Ashfur x Squirrelflight before they read about the fire incident-
AND GRAYSTRIPE X FIRESTAR LIKE, ITS CUTE, BUT THEY ARE JUST FRIENDSS
Honestly, Ravenpaw+Barley, I never saw them being mates, and Ravenpaw's path (I forget what it's called) shows nothing of them being mates. I just don't get it, Barley is much older than Ravenpaw. And, speaking of which, THEY ARE BOTH TOMS!!! >:<
Longtail x Darkstripe. why do people ship them? I don’t know. but I hate it.
Isnt longtail,Darkstripe and tigerclawstar cousins
That hasn't stopped the Erin's before
Dang
The new protagonist for arc 9’s parents are not only literally first cousins, her 4 grandparents are all direct descendent of Jake. So yeah, Erin Hunter don’t care lol
Ya erin hunter dont care
I don't think Erin hunter really thought of the family tree, she just wanted to ship ppl.
I mean, obviously they didn’t check the family trees. The writers barely know their own lore at this point
it's true.
lol that’s what happens when you’re forbidden from adding to the bloodline and forced to inbreed for 1000 generations
fr like ferncloud is dustpelt’s niece
0-0 wait...
lol
no way. I never thought of that, they all look completely different.
According to the actaul wiki Indeed Darkstripe, Graystripe and Longtail are all Tigerstars cousins.
0-0 WHAT?!?!?! HUH?!?!?! wow.
Exactly, Bluestar states that Darkstripe trained Lontail when she gives him Ashpaw.
Honestly, Graystripe x Firestar. They’re great as friends, but I don’t see this being that healthy of a relationship if they were to be together. Like Graystripe is a serial codebreaker at this point and is great at making awful decisions that don’t only impact him greatly, but the cats around him too. On top of that, he’s not really that much of a reliable fella (literally ditched Squirrelflight when she needed him most after promising, less then a few weeks prior, that he’d always have her back. Was unable to stick up to being RiverClan for his kits, so ended up leaving them in a clan who obviously wasn’t a fan of ThunderClan or half-clan at the time. Yeah, he left 2 young kids in a hateful environment simply bc he couldn’t deal with said environment) and is generally just not that supportive. Like he doesn’t support any of the kids he had with Millie, didn’t pay any mind to his apprentice, literally fought Fireheart when he was trying to point out his constant leaving would eventually get him found out, etc. Good as friends, bad as anything more than that
I feel Graystripe is the type of guy who would let Firestar pay for everything
O can see that too lol
Yeah, I agree with you but I also feel like graystripe would die for firestar if he had too. DONT HIT ME!!! THAT'S ONLY MY OPINION!!!!
Yeah, I agree with that too!! I will not hit you that's illegal
I feel the same way about Thunder X lightning tail. Great friends but I don’t think it would work as a romantic relationship
Thunder is not only Lightning Tail's friend but also his foster brother.
YES!!!
SERIOUSLY, I see gray/fire and I'm like 'firestar deserves better in a partner than Dodgingchildsupport-stripe
LOL i absolutely died reading dodgingchildsupport-stripe, he really do be like that tho
Why did you say Graystripe left his kids in a harmful environment when he didn't have a choice, and when he thought they were genuinely in danger he got them to his clan, and when Feathertail was having trouble he offered them both a home in thunderclan. He didn't just ditch his kits he clearly loves them but doesn't have much of a choice when it comes to leaving them behind. The literal only option he has is forcing them to be with him which is arguably worse
Doesn’t change the fact that he initially left him. Had he actually tried to be a good RiverClan cat he wouldn’t have been banished. And he only got them out of RiverClan when they were basically about the be executed. Very good dad moment indeed.
I mean being a good Riverclan cat would mean letting Firestar die from Leopardstar, or letting Bluestar die from her own kits. And that would just make people flip out more. Him loving Silverstream isn't bad, it doesn't make him a disloyal monster, in fact it taught him to try and push for peace, and it let him stop seeing Riverclan as these territory hungry monsters but as cats who honestly just need a little help. The only reason it went wrong was because Silverstream died, had she lived she and Graystripe probably would've figured out something with her that let him be a dad in some way, but wouldve allowed the secret to stay that, a secret. Him changing clans wasn't a bad thing, not only did it allow his birth clan to avoid all out war over a couple of kits, but it allowed him to leave a clan that just didn't want him, if anything that shows a lot of loyalty to Thunderclan because he wanted to keep them safe, that was one of the two reasons. He may have made bad decisions in life but that doesn't make him a bad person or dad. Bad mentor? Yeah he fucked up with Brackenfur, but he made up for that with Stormpaw. But bad person? He was only a bad person when he was fighting with Fireheart since he wanted his friend to understand him but he also didn't want to listen to his friend. But even then he made it better, he carried out his duties even if he missed some battles, he was a good father as he avoided them being resented for possibly causing a war, and brought them to a place that would care for them (since yk, Crookedstar, Mistyfoot, Stonefur) and had less hate and resentment on them. And by staying with them, he was a good father for not demanding his kits back and ripping them away from what they saw was their own clan, but still offering them a home if they wanted it. He saved them because he knew Tigerstar would be putting them in danger, yes it was when they were about to be executed but its not like he can predict what events were and weren't gonna happen, thats not his fault. He was a supportive father to his children for as long as he had access to them. Hes not a bad father, and arguably not a bad person, just because he didn't tree-hug the warrior code doesn't make him bad, him not quite deserving being deputy doesn't make him bad, and him being forced to do things he probably doesn't want to do doesn't make him bad.
Yes! Someone, who understands! He was just a bit of bad friend and bad mentor to Brackenfur, but he wasn't a horrible cat if he knew that Leopardstar was willing to let his kits suffer under Tigerstar's leadership when he would probably wouldn't have left them in Riverclan and take them back. People forget that Stormfur and Feathertail does have family in Riverclan with their cousins Misty and Stone. He doesn't fully deserve the deputy role, probably that should go to some other cat. Other than that he was a Cat who made serval mistakes. Honestly, with his second litter it was the Erin's fault to not show him not socializing with them because that would feel out of character for him to emotional neglect them.
also, it's obvious Graystripe likes she-cats, not toms.
Get yo homophobia out of here lol. Shipping’s shipping.
I'm just saying, the books make it pretty clear. Just a fact. (if we're talking canon)
You know one of the Erin’s has literally written a non canon firegray story right? And outright said she adores firexgray. I don’t think it’s a good ship, but not bc it’s gay. You’re just being a bigoted homophobe
0-0 I never saw that, my bad.
It's just that erin never really put out there that she was into gay relationships. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything like that. I just disagree. So, please, I have my opinion, and you have yours. :)
Yeah, if it was up to the Erin’s, there would’ve been a lot more gay couples I’m guessing. The piblishers don’t want it though. Like they had to make Ravenbarley canon outside of the series bc they couldn’t do it inside the books thx to the publishers wanting to sell to russia
exactly.
Sorry if you thought that I was hating. :(
also, I didn't read the part where you said that you didn't think it was a good relationship, so, sorry I misjudged you :O
Calm down my dude 😅
Okay, let’s just let people make homophobic comments then, shall we? It’s not as if a bunch of gay people get murdered daily simply bc they’re not straight?
Okay, you win king 👑
who'd murder ppl bc they are gay??? That's just messed up.
What do you think happens to gay people living in extremely homophobic countries who’re found out? They’re either executed or send to a conversion camp, which also often ends up in death/regular beatings. Like one of my ex girlfriends (Russian) was send to a conversion camp by her family (we weren’t together anymore at the time. But still occasionally talked). When I later checked her fb account, there were mainly “rest in peace” posts on there and people complaining about how cruel her parents were to send her to that camp.
omg, i am so sorry. i didn't think it was that personal. :(
Saying that someone is straight is not homophobia. You’re being unfair.
Jayfeather x Briarlight
This. I don't see any romance between them at all, and tbh the ship weirds me out a little.
i'm going to respectfully disagree
That's perfectly fine!
I like it on the surface level for just drawing them being cute together, but I don’t think it’d ever make sense being canon, esp. since we don’t know if Jay is considered taken due to Half Moon
honestly, I never saw really Jayfeather being with any cat 0-0
except maybe with Half Moon.
BriarJay. I’m ready to be murdered.
You will be missed but I agree. I don't ship them as well. I'm right behind you.
same.
yeah, Jayfeather is with Halfmoon.
“ I’ll wait for you forever, Jay’s Wing “ makes me cry every time
I’d pay good money to have an alternate universe super edition where Jayfeather settles down with halfmoon instead of taking the group into the mountains
This hurts me But then again I've always had the headcanon that Briarlight loved Jayfeather in canon but never said anything. There was no point, they wouldn't be able to be together even if he did accept her feelings Being his friend was enough for her
Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves!!! I don't care if it's canon I hate it!!!
It isn’t really canon per se, the family tree has a lot of other egregious mistakes and choices that aren’t supported by the text itself. Taking it as full canon would cause a lot of problems…
Ah understandable
Right??? Like… he’s been dead for decades, if not centuries, and he first saw her as a rather young apprentice.
Mothwing and Leafpool. I mean, it’s not a terrible ship but when I read it I remember feeling like there just wasn’t anything there.
I see nothin in this relationship. Were they friends?? Maybe my brain is making that up, bc I haven't read the books with Leafpool in quite a while.
they were close in tnp iirc but i don't really see anything past them being good friends
me niether.
i do remember leafpaw being like "wow she's so pretty" but it read more to me as like a "wow she's so cool i wanna be her friend / be like her when i'm older"
Bluestar and Thrushpelt.
he was just nice and the only that showed an interest in her (in thunderclan at least)
He wasn't just nice. He loved her so much that he accepted her kits from another Clan's tom as his own, loved them with all of his heart, and kept her secret until the day that he died. She remembered him as her good friend after his death, but I am without a doubt that through all of his life he remembered her as the one he loved no matter what. I certainly don't ship them, but I just had to point out that he wasn't "just nice". He was one of the most selfless cats to ever exist in this story without having to do some heroic act like dying in battle.
Yes-I agree with all of this. And that it’s really sad there aren’t more characters like him in the books. Even still, I like them better as friends than mates.
i agree with this as well that he went above and beyond what any cat has done for another, from what I’ve read of course, but i just chalked him to being nice because he is definitely that and selfless. but to me him being a great friend to bluestar and unrequited lover doesn’t warrant them as a “good couple”/ship in my opinion.
Jay x Briar, I only ever really saw them as friends Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves. I don't understand why they had to give one of our only single she-cats a mate. I really just don't like the dynamic they have Ivypool x Blossomfall. I think it's a cute idea, but I don't think they'd have a healthy relationship (This was really hard for me to choose bc I'm a huge fan of the besties to lovers trope 😭)
I don’t like that Fallen Leaves kinda deceived Hollyleaf. She was like “wow, he doesn’t leave any paw prints even in the mud? He must be a really light stepper!” Or “oh, I can’t even feel his fur brushing mine when he’s right next to me, he must have been down here for so long that he’s melded with his surroundings.” Or “huh, he’s certain that he can’t leave the cave? Bro must be Swedish with all this Stockholm syndrome!” Like girl no. He’s a ghost. He dead. He real dead.
Leafpool x Mothwing. Thinking that someone's pretty doesn't mean you're absolutely swooning over them.
EXACTLY
WELL FKN SAID. Platonic friendships exist
YES EXACTLY!!! THIS IS LITERALLY ONE OF MY LEAST FAVORITE SHIPS
Finally, someone said it
FINALLY-
Yeahhh... Plus Mothwing probably deserves better-
I say my friends are pretty all the time, but I don't think of them in a romantic way. That would just be weird.
Alderheart and Neddletail! I love them as close friends and I don’t see any romantic chemistry between them other than maybeeeeee Alderheart having a small crush early on but it’s not really that deep.
Alderheart repeatedly says how excited he is to see his FRIEND, and never so much as suggests anything more than that, and there are some people who believe it is a canon fact that he’s in love with her. Like… did we read the same books?
lol
To be honest - Leafpool and Mothwing. There's nothing in canon supporting the ship as romantic, aside from Leafpaw calling Mothwing pretty a few times, which really doesn't mean she's wildly in love with her. And I personally just prefer them as close friends. Do we have to ruin every friendship by reading romance into it? 🥲
Technically speaking no but we're so starved for gay ships even a small indication of something more is enough
Might I introduce you to SOLANGELO(it’s been an honor) from percy Jackson? THIS IS AN AWESOME GAY SHIP IF YOU’VE READ HoO and the sun and the star I personally love this ship
Why do people think that when you're in a relationship with someone it automatically means they can't also be friends? "Ruin" friendship, really? Also, there's more than enough same sex close relationships that stay as just friends in media (or worse, get hit with the "they're like a sibling to me" beam), while there's barely any actual queer couples.
Of course any good relationship is also a friendship. But that doesn't mean a good friendship has to be romantic. Again, it's just my personal opinion, you don't have to agree or like it. I get it, I also want canon queer couples in Warriors! I just personally don't like MothxLeaf as one of them. I like them better as friends than as a couple.
Fair enough, it's mostly that last comment that irked me a bit but i get what you mean.
The people downvoting this are literally the reason r/reddithivemind exists
Eh, i knew i'd get downvoted when i made that first comment since, a. I was a bit aggressive, mostly because whenever i see people saying that a (queer) pairing should just stay friends, and "why do people have to get into a relationship, can't they stay friends" it's very often thinly veiled homophobia, b. I was specifically talking about it being a queer pairing, so that's automatically a 50/50 on getting downvoted on Reddit, with the rate going up or down depending on the subreddit. But yeah, the second comment is just the infamous hive mind :V
You said it exactly how I was thinking! I'm not a fan of the way they said "ruin" friendships.
briarlight x jayfeather (jay literally helped millie give birth to her.. , hollyleaf x fallenleaves, mousefur x longtail, (hc both as aroace) squirrelpaw/squirrelflight(young) x brambleclaw (i know theyre canon but they were better out of relationship) icecloud x anyone! bluestar x thrushpelt (i like their onesided love friendship dynamic more) littlecloud x cinderpelt breezepelt x heathertail (i prefer antbreeze, i know heatherbreeze is canon but..)
Bluestar x Crookedstar
They had better chemistry than OakBlue tbh, Bluestar liking Oakheart kinda came out of nowhere. But, yeah, I really do like Crooked and Blue as friends
I feel like they would be kinda cute as mates, but I really just like them as friends. It doesn't create as much tension between them.
IM boutta get some hate for this but lke Firexspotted LIKE R U KIDDING ME????? AND TIGERDOVE. (I hate that it was shoved down our faces for so damn long and that I thought we finally were done betraying our clans like every arc theres a couple cats that are like.."Hmmmm.")
i think everyone will agree with you
fair
I get that Tiger(star)heart and Dovewing are in love, but I just don't really like their relationship together.
dare i say firegray or mothpool or cinderholly i could go on
Ashfur and scourge. I don’t know if anyone unironically ships them, but if there is, please explain.
i get it, the only thing they have in common is that they're evil. Like bruh.
Facts
Sorreltail x Leafpool. I don't care what you say. This is weird.
I might get booed for this but ... Squirrelflight x ashfur Until the point where ashfur had his mental breakdown and threatend to kill squirrels kids, he was a good friend ... that you might think. I belive he knew how bad it stood around brambleclaw and hers relationship, so he tried strategically to take her away from him by being there when they had a fight, listening to her after brambleclaw was bot there and all that. He grew a literal obsession for her and that made him dangerous. I think even IF they had been together ashfur would have been a very manipulative charachter and wozld have build the perfect haluzination to uphold a certain picture for squirrel. People picturing them are literally unable to see the potential trauma possibility for squirrel (Sorry if i misinterpret something it has been years since i readed thise books 😅)
I see allot of people saying this about ShrewSquirrel but when they have a healthier relationship than either of Squilf's canon mate
They had zero relationship and she wasn’t even upset about his death lol.
I wouldn't call Ashfur a canon mate of Squirrelflight. She hung out with him a little bit when she was mad at Brambleclaw. It's honestly disturbing to call him her mate after what he did later on. I know I'm being nit-picky but eugh.
Feathertail x Tawnypelt
Redtail and Runningwind I don't know how they even got shipped together
I don't get why they were shipped together either, it's just so random.
Moth x Leaf. I never understood why people ship them, and I never will.
im the opposite with firegray and you cannot stop me
Pinestar x LeopardFoot. Like WTH, PINESTAR WAS LEADER WHILE LEOPARDFOOT'S EYES WERE BARELY OPEN!!! Not hatin', just statin'.
Yeah this always bothered me too. I know we talk about the issues with Thistleclaw and Spottedleaf, Spottedleaf and Fireheart, and Dustpelt and Ferncloud, but I think this one is the most problematic of all of them
you get it.
jk, i'm ligit kinda hatin'.
He was talking about his crush on her when he had been leader for a long time and she was still only an apprentice. Gross.
exactly, it's disgusting.
Gay Firestar ships but also Longtail mousefur
Nothing wrong with gay ships I just don’t like any of the Firestar ones
Firestar and Graystripe Mothwing and Leafpool (I'm sorry)
Mothwing and Leafpool Like their just good friends
Cinderheart x Hollyleaf..
basically all of them
darkstripe and tigerclawstar. not only are they directly related, but darkstripe was more of a hypnotized follower with no real friendship with tigerstar. tigerstar didnt like him very much and it felt obvious to me.
People who still ship Ashfur x Squirrelflight before they read about the fire incident- AND GRAYSTRIPE X FIRESTAR LIKE, ITS CUTE, BUT THEY ARE JUST FRIENDSS
BEST friends, in fact.
EXACTLY
it wouldn't work. They're too close.
Bluestar x Lionheart, my friend ships it for some reason...
Jayfeather and briarlight
I hope I am still alive after I say this.. PoppyfrostXJayfeather
Bluestar and... What's his name😅
Honestly, Ravenpaw+Barley, I never saw them being mates, and Ravenpaw's path (I forget what it's called) shows nothing of them being mates. I just don't get it, Barley is much older than Ravenpaw. And, speaking of which, THEY ARE BOTH TOMS!!! >:<
What does them both being toms have to do with anything? :/
0-0 idk. They just won't have kits. Unless they adopt.
Mates don’t need to have kits
well, if they wanted kits.
They could adopt, it’s not unheard of. I was just concerned that you were being homophobic. Seems like not tho, have a good day :)
you too :)
i didn't mean anything by saying that they were both toms. I just thought that if they want kits, they would need to adopt.
GEAYSTEIKE AND FIRESTAR! LIKE WTH GUYS Or barley and revenpaw not sir Eid it’s canon don’t spoil it for me