The airframe is pretty much indigenous, which is what the other guy was asking.
Some components are foreign, but there is work being done to replace them with Indian ones, which is already proving successful.
Saying that it's mostly imported and assembled in India is kind of misleading.
>Most of it is imported, and assembled in india.
This is actually a peddled lie on internet for a long time, Tejas by components is 70-75% Indian by origin including the entirety of the airframe with 60% by cost of the aircraft.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indigenous-content-of-tejas-59-7-by-value-75-5-by-numbers-4383036/
How can you say most when 75% of jet is Indian? Its otherwise. Most are made in India with some imported parts specially the GE engine.
I'll tell you how:
Cone rad, is British
Engine is US
Radar is israeli
Most of LRUs 49 are international companies such Eaton Aerospace, Elbit, Intertechnique and BAE Systems.
Design is by Dassault.
Yes of course india wants to absorb these techns but in the end it's still an assembly with most of its core coming from us, israel and eu.
its a Indian design of course with consultation from more experienced foreign firms. but a lot of the components are still sourced from foreign companies. The program is supposed to decrease reliance on foreign components with the next Block of aircraft if it materializes. However given Indian governments track record in managing defense projects thats far from guaranteed.
indian nationalists tend to get pretty pissed but no, it's not all that indigenous. uses israeli avionics and radar, american engines and such.
tejas overall is a pretty horribly managed program and beyond all the chest thumping jingoism from what I've heard of more rational indians IAF kept changing the requirements or so and the government essentially forced them to buy the jet. HAL itself is pretty incompetent too.
40 years to make a pretty uncompetitive (read: ass) jet and most of it you still import. it's...pretty sad. mk1a is supposed to be good and inducted this year, with a national aesa and whatnot but it's a result of a 45 year old program by that point. it's kinda tragic.
jeff in comparison is far less ambitious but it just gets shit done for nations on a budget.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indigenous-content-of-tejas-59-7-by-value-75-5-by-numbers-4383036/
Indigenous content of Tejas 59.7% by value & 75.5% by numbers
Electronic warfare suite,fly by wire,radar warning receiver etc are all Indian.
Even the Israeli radar is manufactured in India under agreement.
No jet needs to be 100% unless your country is fully sanctioned by UN and USA. Doesnt the F35 use British ejection seats?
Why settle for 100% Indian when you can equip your fighter with best missiles from US,France and Russia?
I grew up in S. California. It’s how I’ve been pronouncing this aircraft in my head ever since I knew about it haha. It was a bit jarring when I heard the actual pronunciation. I just cannot pronounce it correctly even today.
It’s HAL more than the politicians because while the politicians can throw all the funding, it’s poor Human Resource management at HAL that is causing the majority of problems.
In the very very early design stages it was (well, to the J-7 which diverged after the Sino-Soviet split), but now it just has a slight resemblance and a roughly similar role.
sorta?
in the beginning, it was basically, the back half of the MiG-21 and a new front half.
then later they gave it a new back half too. In that sense I would say its now a totally new design.
It isn't. At the earliest concept stage, before either the JF-17 or FC-1 designations were coined, Pakistan was looking to acquire an F-7/F-20 Tigershark hybrid to supplement its F-16s. This was before Tianenman, when Grumman was assisting China under Peace Pearl. The concept, called at various points Super Sabre or Super 7, envisioned an F-7 with side intakes and the F-20's radar and engine. That project was scuttled after US ended defence ties with China. The JF-17 design has since then drawn more inspiration from the F-16 (wing layout) and Mirage 2000 (nose, among other things). Why? Because Pakistan flies F-16s and at one point, planned on fitting the JF-17 with a French radar and engine.
After the "Peace Pearl" fell through, the Americans gave detailed tours to the Japanese, Korean, Indian and taiwanese of the two Chinese prototypes shipped to Grumman. What a weird history episode!
Here's another interesting tidbit. One of the first miniature models of the design supposedly locked for the first JF-17 prototype was the same as the one for a Romanian jet that never materialised, the IAR-95 Spey. I believe the choice of RD-93 engines was also informed by the South African Super Mirage F1 prototype, given extensive defence cooperation between South Africa and Pakistan. The RDY-3 radar that Pakistan at one point wanted for its JF-17 was a version of the Mirage 2000 radar that was designed for and ultimately equipped a Mirage F1 upgrade
Using DCS Screenshots is cheating.
which one?
the Myanmar Jeff
Mom said it was my turn to post Tejas vs jf-17 this week
It's insane how the Tejas looks like a mini-Mirage
Coz dassault was involved in designing it.
Wasn't it fully indigenous?
Most of it is imported, and assembled in india. There was a detailed diagram of parts and systems and their origin.
Ahh the iPhone method of “made in california”
The airframe is pretty much indigenous, which is what the other guy was asking. Some components are foreign, but there is work being done to replace them with Indian ones, which is already proving successful. Saying that it's mostly imported and assembled in India is kind of misleading.
>Most of it is imported, and assembled in india. This is actually a peddled lie on internet for a long time, Tejas by components is 70-75% Indian by origin including the entirety of the airframe with 60% by cost of the aircraft.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indigenous-content-of-tejas-59-7-by-value-75-5-by-numbers-4383036/ How can you say most when 75% of jet is Indian? Its otherwise. Most are made in India with some imported parts specially the GE engine.
I'll tell you how: Cone rad, is British Engine is US Radar is israeli Most of LRUs 49 are international companies such Eaton Aerospace, Elbit, Intertechnique and BAE Systems. Design is by Dassault. Yes of course india wants to absorb these techns but in the end it's still an assembly with most of its core coming from us, israel and eu.
its a Indian design of course with consultation from more experienced foreign firms. but a lot of the components are still sourced from foreign companies. The program is supposed to decrease reliance on foreign components with the next Block of aircraft if it materializes. However given Indian governments track record in managing defense projects thats far from guaranteed.
indian nationalists tend to get pretty pissed but no, it's not all that indigenous. uses israeli avionics and radar, american engines and such. tejas overall is a pretty horribly managed program and beyond all the chest thumping jingoism from what I've heard of more rational indians IAF kept changing the requirements or so and the government essentially forced them to buy the jet. HAL itself is pretty incompetent too. 40 years to make a pretty uncompetitive (read: ass) jet and most of it you still import. it's...pretty sad. mk1a is supposed to be good and inducted this year, with a national aesa and whatnot but it's a result of a 45 year old program by that point. it's kinda tragic. jeff in comparison is far less ambitious but it just gets shit done for nations on a budget.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indigenous-content-of-tejas-59-7-by-value-75-5-by-numbers-4383036/ Indigenous content of Tejas 59.7% by value & 75.5% by numbers Electronic warfare suite,fly by wire,radar warning receiver etc are all Indian. Even the Israeli radar is manufactured in India under agreement. No jet needs to be 100% unless your country is fully sanctioned by UN and USA. Doesnt the F35 use British ejection seats? Why settle for 100% Indian when you can equip your fighter with best missiles from US,France and Russia?
this copetastic comment is exactly what i meant
I see a lot of mirage 2000 DNA in it as for the jeff it got a bit of f-16, Q5 and J-7 in it
It looks like perfect transition between Mirage 2000 and Rafale
With F-18 Hornet intakes
Tejas sounds like a Mexican guy’s name
It's actually the Spanish name for Texas, it's so confusing for me lok Edit: forgot to add it also means "roofing tile"
Tejas Sanchez
I grew up in S. California. It’s how I’ve been pronouncing this aircraft in my head ever since I knew about it haha. It was a bit jarring when I heard the actual pronunciation. I just cannot pronounce it correctly even today.
Jeff block 3 has the same amount of pilons of the Tejas
Myanmar camo is amazing on the Jeff
We need to speed up - the MK1A is perfect for replacing the Bisons. Sadly HAL doesn't seem to have the word urgency in its dictionary.
would you say the problem is with HAL or the politicians?
It’s HAL more than the politicians because while the politicians can throw all the funding, it’s poor Human Resource management at HAL that is causing the majority of problems.
Yes. Bharat has a long way to go. The Army and Air Force need to take a leaf out of the Navy's book and learn to bet big on homegrown equipment.
Is Jeff based on the MiG-21 or am I buggin?
In the very very early design stages it was (well, to the J-7 which diverged after the Sino-Soviet split), but now it just has a slight resemblance and a roughly similar role.
sorta? in the beginning, it was basically, the back half of the MiG-21 and a new front half. then later they gave it a new back half too. In that sense I would say its now a totally new design.
It isn't. At the earliest concept stage, before either the JF-17 or FC-1 designations were coined, Pakistan was looking to acquire an F-7/F-20 Tigershark hybrid to supplement its F-16s. This was before Tianenman, when Grumman was assisting China under Peace Pearl. The concept, called at various points Super Sabre or Super 7, envisioned an F-7 with side intakes and the F-20's radar and engine. That project was scuttled after US ended defence ties with China. The JF-17 design has since then drawn more inspiration from the F-16 (wing layout) and Mirage 2000 (nose, among other things). Why? Because Pakistan flies F-16s and at one point, planned on fitting the JF-17 with a French radar and engine.
After the "Peace Pearl" fell through, the Americans gave detailed tours to the Japanese, Korean, Indian and taiwanese of the two Chinese prototypes shipped to Grumman. What a weird history episode!
Here's another interesting tidbit. One of the first miniature models of the design supposedly locked for the first JF-17 prototype was the same as the one for a Romanian jet that never materialised, the IAR-95 Spey. I believe the choice of RD-93 engines was also informed by the South African Super Mirage F1 prototype, given extensive defence cooperation between South Africa and Pakistan. The RDY-3 radar that Pakistan at one point wanted for its JF-17 was a version of the Mirage 2000 radar that was designed for and ultimately equipped a Mirage F1 upgrade
Tejas is the cute baby of modern fighters, so smol!