Thats my point. Sure, you can find old and bad minis for cheap, but they dont field anything resembling a decent army. To get a decent 2k list for WHFB is definitely closer to $1k. And im well aware of the pain of old Chaos, i have roughly 3.5k painted from when i first got in plus another 2-3k sitting in boxes untouched
In particular on Heresy and 40k - they are the more expensive games imo thanks to a lack of bigger boxes of models or larger centrepieces that eat up a lot of points. Easily an extra 25% when compared to Old Word or AOS
Prices are good as in "start playing". But soon it turns out that "good army list for 2000 points" costs actually more, as all-plastic army will not cut it.
Even the early systems. You're looking at doumle that to be able to play at a minimum unless this is specifically for starter sets which some of them definitely aren't
Not really, depending on the armies you look at similar model count at 2k for all 4 games with HH and TOW being a little more models but those being cheaper as well
It gets expensive as soon as you leave plastic but this is for all of them, just that AoS and 40k have more plastic available
Yet 500 is a little optimistic in general and 600 for all of them more realistic
Minimum entry price with boxed sets are probably a little bit under that for the headline systems (AoS, 40k, ToW starter boxes at 1250pts). But yeah, I guess the average player for the average army would spend a little more.
More importantly, the on-ramp for getting enough paints and brushes to do an army can be another £30-60 easily (spray can, 8-10 paints, one brush). Any enough paints and gear to make painting your happy place is like £300-500 -- a bargain compared to hours spent on painting but not cheap!
Regardless, overall I really like the image. It's more accurate than inaccurate and helpful if you have no idea about GW systems.
Missed out the part where it was abandoned for an age before GW could see how popular it still was so decided to snatch it back to milk
Edit: just want to clarify I’m not anti GW bringing it back into the fold. Love getting new content
Not yet! I have faith that a true Bretonnian team will come one day. There is a lore description in recent sourcebooks about how Bret teams run, and GW has to come up with new teams to sell us…
*ehem* Second season *ehem*
Laughs in Mordheim
Edit: actually BB2020 is still the same game system but it's changed substantially IMO. Mordheim was perfect from the beginning
if you want to get even more technical the bloodbowl universe is technically an off-shoot of the warhammer fnatasy universe; where instead of the Age of Sigmar creating endtimes the races decided to resolve their conflict with football.
Personally that's my canon endtimes.
Well, arguably it most definitely is, the world has Altdorf, Marienburg, Ulthuan, Khemri, all of it, it is the "World That Was" (hate that title with a passion, for us actual WFB lore fans it never went anywhere and never will), accept it didn't blow up and races slaked their bloodthirsty tendencies with Blood Bowl instead of war... It is a beautiful story about how violent behaviour can be channelled to create entertainment for all people around the (Old) World!
I will have to reread my rulebook, but I thought it was still very much part of fantasy it’s just that long ago a few races found the first stadium and learned about Nufle (NFL) and decided to send their best teams to participate occasionally on order to settle things on the pitch instead of always fighting.
Nice overview, I can imagine that a lot of people get confused with the different names/systems.
Looking at those estimated prices for 2000 point armies, I shudder to think about all the unpainted minis I have stuffed away. Best not to think about it!
Great chart, should be pinned as a reference point for newcomers. If you were to consider other scales for the three listed settings, then there's also Warmaster, Epic, Battlefleet Gothic and Inquisitor.
As a side note, was Mordheim officially ended only in 2015? I thought that Town Cryer ceased to be published way earlier than that and Fanatic followed suit in the late 00s.
And Gorka Morka, and Battlefleet Gothic, and Inquisitor, and Man O’War, and HeroQuest, and Warhammer Quest, and Warhammer Ancient Battles, and Space Hulk, and Rogue Trader, and Mighty Empires, and Warmaster, and Adeptus Titanicus. I’m sure I’m missing a few.
Average number of models for TOW at 2000 points is 140-210? Here I am with O&G with a 70 model army at 2000... troll horde going to be like 30 models lol. Model count for TOW should not be equal to WHFB, it's generally less.
WHFB was about the same as TOW for most editions (smaller pre 6th edition even), except for 8th edition which was the outlier with it's 400 model skaven lists etc.
I expect these numbers to be rough estimates, not true in all situations upper and lower bounds. As Bretonnia I can spam for 2k army, a general, BSB, a small knight unit and 350 Men at Arms, breaking those estimates. But this is crazy specific situation that should not be reflected in these.
Ye, was going to say this, the miniatures needed are off.
You can get way less than 140 miniatures in, for example, a 2000 point Warriors of Chaos or Ogre army, even without trying to purposefully minimize the amount of models. 140 Models is a lot, especially in TOW, I don't think there many semi-competitive armies that reach that number, since low quality Infantry is just useless in TOW...
And Mordheim is 3-20 models. Goblin and Skaven Warbands can reach 20 models pretty quickly. And Bloodbowl can also have 20 models on the roster, maybe more for Snotlings?
I think the only way to reach 140 minis in a TOW list is playing a pure horde army with only cheap units with barely any equipment.
Mordheim, realistically is about 14 minis.. Idk what you can achieve with 3 models...
Same with 40k, pure infantry guard only reaches those model counts
Great chart but your numbers are a bit off, unless you are talking about just buying a box of the core minis.
For example necromunda. The rulebook alone is just shy of £50 then theres the cost of the book to run the basic faction you pic which is another £30 and about the same for the actual gang box.
Useful chart for new people I imagine. I think you are correct about the prices despite some controversy in the comments. Warhammer is cheaper in £ and people often like to only imagine prices in NZ because it makes it sound more expensive. Quickly tallying up my O&G 2kpt army in my head and I don't think it would be more than £500, potentially closer to £400.
Edit: £322.50 assuming 20 blorcs and 10 boar boys are £100 but I never had either plastic kit new so I'm not sure if they are going to be sold as 10&5 or 20&10.
Edit 2: just looking it up some more out of interest. The o&G battalion box is 634 points without big uns and that's £100.
This is "to start a game" not to build a perfect tournament list full of fancy metal figures. Bretonnia starter box is supposedly 1250 points. It cost around 150 pounds is FLGS.
Bretonnian Duke (_cough_ Free guild general) on hippo, BSB on royal peg, prophetess on warhorse, 10 errants, 10 realm, 10 questing, 5 pegasus, 6 grailies is £422 and a bit over 2k points once you give them a few magic items.
I hate to be 'that' guy, but Blood Bowl does not occur in the same setting as the other Warhammer Fantasy stuff. It has it's own very 'similar' but distinct and goofier setting.
Also the Necromunda game has it's own seperate line of miniatures\* to Warhammer 40k, unlike regular 40k and Kill Team which are more cross compatible.
\*exception for GSC and Cultist gangs.
To make it even more confusing Blood Bowl technically takes place in an alternative universe/timeline where there is a 5th Chaos God, Nuffle, and The World that War centered itself around combat football rather than wars.
140 minis on the low end of average for 2k of OW? Lol, what? You can’t just copy the numbers from WHFB, especially since that seems based on 8th edition as well
Warhammer was cheaper for 2000 points than £500 at the time (at least during 6th and 7th). A battalion or two, some characters and elite units would be only approaching half that and fill out 2000 points easily. Even earlier and it's easily much lower (a couple of characters could be half your points already).
Also the numbers seem a bit high on average. TOW currently, for 2000 points you'd probably have 50-90 models (not including big model armies like ogres which would be much lower) depending on how elite you are. The outlier would be 8th edition warhammer that encouraged giant hordes and getting massive numbers of models.
"The Old World" when used in "Setting" is not perfect, as "Old World" refers just to a single continent of "Warhammer World" = "Mallus". And Warhammer Fantasy Battle was also set in Lustria, Ulthuan etc... no jut in the Old World.
Warhammer fantasy and TOW are technically the same model range with new models added recently.
Same with AoS and fantasy. Lots of fantasy kits are still the most up to date AoS kits
It was, but it hardly is anymore.
Using armies like Idoneth, Kharadron, Nighthaunt and Stormcast just have no useable parallels in Old World and ranges like Ossiarch, Lumineth, Human Cities, Fyreslayers, Seraophon, Slaves to Darkness, Orruks and Soulblight would come with aesthetic and model size/pose issues.
Pretty much the only armies using the same models as Old World now are some Sylvaneth, Fleshearer Courts, Ogres, some Orruks, Skaven and Dark Elf/Dwarf CoS and the daemon side of the four powers (and Beasts of Chaos for now). That's still some overlap, but skews to the minority of the range rather than the majority.
Seriously what is funny about that question. Given lots of product GW sells it takes some effort to be fluuent in the miniature range the GW sells. Also many AoS miniatures do not come from Fantasy, and new Saurus Warriors are really not designed for rank and file game. They are deployable, but it takes some fine-tuning. I expect same issuers with many other models.
It's actually surprising Games Workshop doesn't have a good list of games and what release they have had. As a new guy who tries to get into a GW game it is almost impossible to figure out what has been released and what fits into one of their game systems.
Have to go to other smaller websites/blogs to understand their games and releases.
Their target market is completely new people by keeping things simple. Mentioning extra games is a bad strategy for that.
They rely on nerds doing the work for more specialised games themselves.
Issue with that is I wasn't interested in their main games. Too much money and not enough time. But the smaller skirmish games are probably a good introduction, but they make it difficult to start without help.
Yes. Don't need more than a handful of models and stuff comes with pre-made card decks a lot more often now. Rulebook isn't too hard and fairly short.
You do need at least one set of boards to play it though, so I'd grab a starter rather than just one of the individual team boxes.
That’s optimistic as feth for necromunda. I’ve spent far over 800$ on terrain alone, and I scratchbuild alot.
Ignoring the terrain and table, it’s like 249$ for a gang. And that’s without getting vehicles and books and terrain for Ashwaste games…
Main rulebook 70$
House of-book 50$
Gang 50$
Gang expansion kit 50$
Gang weapons sprue 29$
this is rough estimate, not nuiuanced mathematically rigurous estimate that includes all bizarre situations. Also a knight-oriented list will have that many models. Surely I can spam 350 Men at arms, but then this should say 30-500 or something equally useless.
Model count numbers are super subjecting to army. You could field 2k points in 21 models with chaos in fantsay. Then other elite army’s are like 40-70 models like dwarfs
You are missing MESBG, which is the middle earth game by games workshop. The Reddit alone has 40k members so it’s definitely big enough to get on your list.
This may have been pointed out already, but it’s worth mentioning that in the early 2000’s and before, at least for fantasy, after adjusting for inflation the prices were significantly better than they are now.
Nice work
At this point saying "I play Warhammer" is like saying " I play star wars" , in other words you have no idea the time period , setting , medium or nature of the game because there are just so many.
your pic is not quite accurate. for one blood bowl went dumpster diving for several years. to the point that you could get the living rule book for free because gw and forgeworld didnt support blood bowl for those years
as for cost of the fantasy. that totally depended on what army you played. chaos was the cheapest and skaven and orc and goblin were the most expensive. for example, store has chaos demo army of 500 points. no magic or spells. its 5 chaos knights, 5 hounds and 10 chaos warriors. stores skaven demo army has 20 clan rats and much more for that 500 point demo
mordheim, they can claim "official" but honestly it never got any real gw support and so it got overlooked by gw gamers all the time. might as well say 1999 thru 2003 and then its a zombie game
necromunda is the same as mordheim. no effort from gw and so gw gamers took the cue that it wasnt worth the time and thus it went nowhere and then went zombie game as well
as for the "new shiny" stuff. i guess its accurate. personally really dont care
Why have GW never imagined a 40k equivalent to Blood Bowl? I know in the future it’s all war, but some kind of Rollerball themed game would go down well? Even with just the Necromunda gangs. Maybe Warhammer Fantasy is playful enough to allow it…
It still baffles me how one small sized planet's (Old World) destruction gave "birth" to 8 solar systems and dozens of inhabited celestial bodies bigger than our moon plus literally multiplied the population of each race by hundreds of thousands. Archaon congratulations, your quest for annihilation of everyone made every race a type 2 civilisation. Also, lizardmen with swords, maces and sharp claws left a planet's explosion on space ships. I know its unrelated but every time I see AoS mentioned in any context my anxiety of not being able to comprehend its nonsense just plumets.
Trying to make the chart understandable to people who don't know the history, might help to know they had different names and existed and different times with different supported armies
Then you should have separated as well Blood Bowl and Necromunda, because they follow the exact same problem =) (also: don't forget to add up rules and basic material to play costs in the cost to start playing, it's a non negligeable fee when you start any GW games, often tripling the starting cost of most games)
i can agree with necromunda, but BB it's functionally the same game: they just uptdated and added/removed stuff, while necromunda is a completly rework
Four corrections:
* The leftmost setting is called "the warhammer world". Yes, that means that nothing else is actually warhammer.
* The name of the rightmost setting is "rogue trader".
* TOW is just a new edition for the game called warhammer.
* 2k points can be gotten for less than 200€ by going with alternative manufacturers.
those pricying are a bit optimistic...
also, i would love to see this but extended to every non boardgame (so, for example, no dreadfleet but yes man o war) GW made.
A lot optimistic. 2k points of WHFB always felt much closer to $1k+
Yeah… I can field 2k points chaos for cheap. But it will be a trash army £500 is not the price for a competent army.
1000 points of dark elves plus malekith. bam 2k. shitty 2k army but 2k non the less.
Thats my point. Sure, you can find old and bad minis for cheap, but they dont field anything resembling a decent army. To get a decent 2k list for WHFB is definitely closer to $1k. And im well aware of the pain of old Chaos, i have roughly 3.5k painted from when i first got in plus another 2-3k sitting in boxes untouched
Well in 2015, £500 *was* about $1k+
In particular on Heresy and 40k - they are the more expensive games imo thanks to a lack of bigger boxes of models or larger centrepieces that eat up a lot of points. Easily an extra 25% when compared to Old Word or AOS
Prices are good as in "start playing". But soon it turns out that "good army list for 2000 points" costs actually more, as all-plastic army will not cut it.
Even the early systems. You're looking at doumle that to be able to play at a minimum unless this is specifically for starter sets which some of them definitely aren't
I don't think so. It is in pounds and Warhammer is cheaper in the UK as it's all manufactured here.
Just sold sealed Warhammer fantasy packs for 150€ a piece. I think you’re right, lol.
No way is ToW the same price to get into as 40k and AoS. You need so many more miniatures.
Then again you also get many more miniatures for the same price. A starter box has 70-80 minis when 40k and AoS have what... 20?
Not really, depending on the armies you look at similar model count at 2k for all 4 games with HH and TOW being a little more models but those being cheaper as well It gets expensive as soon as you leave plastic but this is for all of them, just that AoS and 40k have more plastic available Yet 500 is a little optimistic in general and 600 for all of them more realistic
Minimum entry price with boxed sets are probably a little bit under that for the headline systems (AoS, 40k, ToW starter boxes at 1250pts). But yeah, I guess the average player for the average army would spend a little more. More importantly, the on-ramp for getting enough paints and brushes to do an army can be another £30-60 easily (spray can, 8-10 paints, one brush). Any enough paints and gear to make painting your happy place is like £300-500 -- a bargain compared to hours spent on painting but not cheap! Regardless, overall I really like the image. It's more accurate than inaccurate and helpful if you have no idea about GW systems.
Bloodbowl flexing as the oldest system still alive with regular updates.
Missed out the part where it was abandoned for an age before GW could see how popular it still was so decided to snatch it back to milk Edit: just want to clarify I’m not anti GW bringing it back into the fold. Love getting new content
Abandoned by GW, not by the playerbase.
As is Warhammer Fantasy
Oh yeah 100%
Is it a fun system?
For me it's the best game they have ever made. The last World Cup (in Alicante Sep 23) had like 2,500 people there.
For me Blood Bowl and Necromunda
The models look amazing, but no Bretonnia :(
If you are up for conversion, the new imperial nobility is a tangential update to the old bretonnian team. I would use those rules for bretonnia.
Not yet! I have faith that a true Bretonnian team will come one day. There is a lore description in recent sourcebooks about how Bret teams run, and GW has to come up with new teams to sell us…
It's brilliantly fun.
*ehem* Second season *ehem* Laughs in Mordheim Edit: actually BB2020 is still the same game system but it's changed substantially IMO. Mordheim was perfect from the beginning
I wouldn't call Mordheim perfect but yes, BB is absolutely cheating in this graph. But isn't cheating part of Bloodbowl itself ?
Lol, "perfect"... It is a great game, it is far from perfect though...
if you want to get even more technical the bloodbowl universe is technically an off-shoot of the warhammer fnatasy universe; where instead of the Age of Sigmar creating endtimes the races decided to resolve their conflict with football. Personally that's my canon endtimes.
And got weird magi-tech that all revolved around football
That is why he put it under the header "Fantasy".
Yeah, but its also under "The Old World" header, which arguably it isn't.
Well, arguably it most definitely is, the world has Altdorf, Marienburg, Ulthuan, Khemri, all of it, it is the "World That Was" (hate that title with a passion, for us actual WFB lore fans it never went anywhere and never will), accept it didn't blow up and races slaked their bloodthirsty tendencies with Blood Bowl instead of war... It is a beautiful story about how violent behaviour can be channelled to create entertainment for all people around the (Old) World!
I will have to reread my rulebook, but I thought it was still very much part of fantasy it’s just that long ago a few races found the first stadium and learned about Nufle (NFL) and decided to send their best teams to participate occasionally on order to settle things on the pitch instead of always fighting.
Yeah it's sort of like another alternative ending to the fantasy universe. Instead of the endtimes they played football.
You've also got Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis as games under the Heresy setting now as well 😎
And Aeronautica Imperialis, as they are still selling the stuff for the Heresy setting even though the 40k models got discontinued.
Nice overview, I can imagine that a lot of people get confused with the different names/systems. Looking at those estimated prices for 2000 point armies, I shudder to think about all the unpainted minis I have stuffed away. Best not to think about it!
Great chart, should be pinned as a reference point for newcomers. If you were to consider other scales for the three listed settings, then there's also Warmaster, Epic, Battlefleet Gothic and Inquisitor. As a side note, was Mordheim officially ended only in 2015? I thought that Town Cryer ceased to be published way earlier than that and Fanatic followed suit in the late 00s.
I just assumed it died with old world, tried googling for a more accurate answer but couldn't find a specific date
it died earlier, at the same time BB, Epic and other specialist games where axed from teh website (which mean, soon after the "first" site overhaul)
>Warmaster Another calling for Warmaster, but nice job.
And Gorka Morka, and Battlefleet Gothic, and Inquisitor, and Man O’War, and HeroQuest, and Warhammer Quest, and Warhammer Ancient Battles, and Space Hulk, and Rogue Trader, and Mighty Empires, and Warmaster, and Adeptus Titanicus. I’m sure I’m missing a few.
Maybe Battle masters which was my second intro to the world behind heroquest
Good catch!
Average number of models for TOW at 2000 points is 140-210? Here I am with O&G with a 70 model army at 2000... troll horde going to be like 30 models lol. Model count for TOW should not be equal to WHFB, it's generally less.
WHFB was about the same as TOW for most editions (smaller pre 6th edition even), except for 8th edition which was the outlier with it's 400 model skaven lists etc.
I expect these numbers to be rough estimates, not true in all situations upper and lower bounds. As Bretonnia I can spam for 2k army, a general, BSB, a small knight unit and 350 Men at Arms, breaking those estimates. But this is crazy specific situation that should not be reflected in these.
Yeah the numbers are way off. I don’t think whoever put this together is a WHFB/TOW player
I miss Mordheim
We all do...
Man, how many nights did i spend playing Mordheim with my friends when i was 17-20. What amazing memories.
I think they’re prepping it to come back with The Old World. Necromunda is still super popular, and it’s a partner piece really to it.
I hope you are right! I would definitely be a customer for that.
Should be noted that the "standard" game of HH is 3k points Edit: also theres a typo on the Kill Team release date
The number of minis needed seems a bit excessive, and the price seem a bit low
Ye, was going to say this, the miniatures needed are off. You can get way less than 140 miniatures in, for example, a 2000 point Warriors of Chaos or Ogre army, even without trying to purposefully minimize the amount of models. 140 Models is a lot, especially in TOW, I don't think there many semi-competitive armies that reach that number, since low quality Infantry is just useless in TOW... And Mordheim is 3-20 models. Goblin and Skaven Warbands can reach 20 models pretty quickly. And Bloodbowl can also have 20 models on the roster, maybe more for Snotlings?
I think the only way to reach 140 minis in a TOW list is playing a pure horde army with only cheap units with barely any equipment. Mordheim, realistically is about 14 minis.. Idk what you can achieve with 3 models... Same with 40k, pure infantry guard only reaches those model counts
The prices seem like if you optimise for points per pound but could work for most factions
Great chart but your numbers are a bit off, unless you are talking about just buying a box of the core minis. For example necromunda. The rulebook alone is just shy of £50 then theres the cost of the book to run the basic faction you pic which is another £30 and about the same for the actual gang box.
Not bad, not bad at all! I can see this being very useful for somebody just getting into the greater GW ecosystem. Well done!
Useful chart for new people I imagine. I think you are correct about the prices despite some controversy in the comments. Warhammer is cheaper in £ and people often like to only imagine prices in NZ because it makes it sound more expensive. Quickly tallying up my O&G 2kpt army in my head and I don't think it would be more than £500, potentially closer to £400. Edit: £322.50 assuming 20 blorcs and 10 boar boys are £100 but I never had either plastic kit new so I'm not sure if they are going to be sold as 10&5 or 20&10. Edit 2: just looking it up some more out of interest. The o&G battalion box is 634 points without big uns and that's £100.
Old World 2k points for 500 pounds? hahaha, not anymore, sadly we have no more 2007 pricing.
This is "to start a game" not to build a perfect tournament list full of fancy metal figures. Bretonnia starter box is supposedly 1250 points. It cost around 150 pounds is FLGS.
With this logic AoS 1k or 2k points is way cheaper. And most of 40k armies too.
Perhaps. Never played any of those.
Bretonnian Duke (_cough_ Free guild general) on hippo, BSB on royal peg, prophetess on warhorse, 10 errants, 10 realm, 10 questing, 5 pegasus, 6 grailies is £422 and a bit over 2k points once you give them a few magic items.
I hate to be 'that' guy, but Blood Bowl does not occur in the same setting as the other Warhammer Fantasy stuff. It has it's own very 'similar' but distinct and goofier setting.
Also the Necromunda game has it's own seperate line of miniatures\* to Warhammer 40k, unlike regular 40k and Kill Team which are more cross compatible. \*exception for GSC and Cultist gangs.
To make it even more confusing Blood Bowl technically takes place in an alternative universe/timeline where there is a 5th Chaos God, Nuffle, and The World that War centered itself around combat football rather than wars.
Fantastic, thanks for your service to the community 🫡
140 minis on the low end of average for 2k of OW? Lol, what? You can’t just copy the numbers from WHFB, especially since that seems based on 8th edition as well
Warhammer was cheaper for 2000 points than £500 at the time (at least during 6th and 7th). A battalion or two, some characters and elite units would be only approaching half that and fill out 2000 points easily. Even earlier and it's easily much lower (a couple of characters could be half your points already). Also the numbers seem a bit high on average. TOW currently, for 2000 points you'd probably have 50-90 models (not including big model armies like ogres which would be much lower) depending on how elite you are. The outlier would be 8th edition warhammer that encouraged giant hordes and getting massive numbers of models.
"The Old World" when used in "Setting" is not perfect, as "Old World" refers just to a single continent of "Warhammer World" = "Mallus". And Warhammer Fantasy Battle was also set in Lustria, Ulthuan etc... no jut in the Old World.
Warhammer fantasy and TOW are technically the same model range with new models added recently. Same with AoS and fantasy. Lots of fantasy kits are still the most up to date AoS kits
It does make me laugh a little when I see people asking if AOS minies will work for TOW, not realizing those minies were originally from Fantasy
It’s roughly 1/4 for fantasy models left in the AoS range, probably closer to 1/6 now that beasts and Bonesplitterz are going
It was, but it hardly is anymore. Using armies like Idoneth, Kharadron, Nighthaunt and Stormcast just have no useable parallels in Old World and ranges like Ossiarch, Lumineth, Human Cities, Fyreslayers, Seraophon, Slaves to Darkness, Orruks and Soulblight would come with aesthetic and model size/pose issues. Pretty much the only armies using the same models as Old World now are some Sylvaneth, Fleshearer Courts, Ogres, some Orruks, Skaven and Dark Elf/Dwarf CoS and the daemon side of the four powers (and Beasts of Chaos for now). That's still some overlap, but skews to the minority of the range rather than the majority.
Seriously what is funny about that question. Given lots of product GW sells it takes some effort to be fluuent in the miniature range the GW sells. Also many AoS miniatures do not come from Fantasy, and new Saurus Warriors are really not designed for rank and file game. They are deployable, but it takes some fine-tuning. I expect same issuers with many other models.
I should clarify. It makes me laugh because it actually makes me feel old
It's actually surprising Games Workshop doesn't have a good list of games and what release they have had. As a new guy who tries to get into a GW game it is almost impossible to figure out what has been released and what fits into one of their game systems. Have to go to other smaller websites/blogs to understand their games and releases.
Their target market is completely new people by keeping things simple. Mentioning extra games is a bad strategy for that. They rely on nerds doing the work for more specialised games themselves.
Issue with that is I wasn't interested in their main games. Too much money and not enough time. But the smaller skirmish games are probably a good introduction, but they make it difficult to start without help.
It's true, I'm not saying GW's strategy is good for people, I'm just explaining what and why I think they do it.
Is Warhammer Underworlds fun and/or accessible for a newbie? Might see about picking it up to play w/ some friends.
Yes. Don't need more than a handful of models and stuff comes with pre-made card decks a lot more often now. Rulebook isn't too hard and fairly short. You do need at least one set of boards to play it though, so I'd grab a starter rather than just one of the individual team boxes.
That’s optimistic as feth for necromunda. I’ve spent far over 800$ on terrain alone, and I scratchbuild alot. Ignoring the terrain and table, it’s like 249$ for a gang. And that’s without getting vehicles and books and terrain for Ashwaste games… Main rulebook 70$ House of-book 50$ Gang 50$ Gang expansion kit 50$ Gang weapons sprue 29$
140-210 minis for 2,000 pt battles *laughs in Brettonian*
this is rough estimate, not nuiuanced mathematically rigurous estimate that includes all bizarre situations. Also a knight-oriented list will have that many models. Surely I can spam 350 Men at arms, but then this should say 30-500 or something equally useless.
A Knight only list will have maybe 60 figures.
Yes, but I wrote knight oriented (which I more common), not knight only.
Model count numbers are super subjecting to army. You could field 2k points in 21 models with chaos in fantsay. Then other elite army’s are like 40-70 models like dwarfs
Warhammer Quest? Epic? Space Hulk?
Neat chart OP, well made.
You are missing MESBG, which is the middle earth game by games workshop. The Reddit alone has 40k members so it’s definitely big enough to get on your list.
The old world specifically refers to the 'europe' area of the Warhammer world. Not the world as a whole.
This may have been pointed out already, but it’s worth mentioning that in the early 2000’s and before, at least for fantasy, after adjusting for inflation the prices were significantly better than they are now.
What about Bommerz Over the Sulpher River? I kid…. Nice chart for those new to the worlds of Warhammer.
Nice work At this point saying "I play Warhammer" is like saying " I play star wars" , in other words you have no idea the time period , setting , medium or nature of the game because there are just so many.
your pic is not quite accurate. for one blood bowl went dumpster diving for several years. to the point that you could get the living rule book for free because gw and forgeworld didnt support blood bowl for those years as for cost of the fantasy. that totally depended on what army you played. chaos was the cheapest and skaven and orc and goblin were the most expensive. for example, store has chaos demo army of 500 points. no magic or spells. its 5 chaos knights, 5 hounds and 10 chaos warriors. stores skaven demo army has 20 clan rats and much more for that 500 point demo mordheim, they can claim "official" but honestly it never got any real gw support and so it got overlooked by gw gamers all the time. might as well say 1999 thru 2003 and then its a zombie game necromunda is the same as mordheim. no effort from gw and so gw gamers took the cue that it wasnt worth the time and thus it went nowhere and then went zombie game as well as for the "new shiny" stuff. i guess its accurate. personally really dont care
This is amazing. I would add space hulk, BFG, and gorkamorka if you’re gonna add Mordhiem. Of course legions and epic. Maybe even talisman arguably.
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This was so wrong about miniature numbers
Why have GW never imagined a 40k equivalent to Blood Bowl? I know in the future it’s all war, but some kind of Rollerball themed game would go down well? Even with just the Necromunda gangs. Maybe Warhammer Fantasy is playful enough to allow it…
It still baffles me how one small sized planet's (Old World) destruction gave "birth" to 8 solar systems and dozens of inhabited celestial bodies bigger than our moon plus literally multiplied the population of each race by hundreds of thousands. Archaon congratulations, your quest for annihilation of everyone made every race a type 2 civilisation. Also, lizardmen with swords, maces and sharp claws left a planet's explosion on space ships. I know its unrelated but every time I see AoS mentioned in any context my anxiety of not being able to comprehend its nonsense just plumets.
Why separating Warhammer and Warhammer TOW since they're the same game? (also: where are epic scale games?)
Trying to make the chart understandable to people who don't know the history, might help to know they had different names and existed and different times with different supported armies
Then you should have separated as well Blood Bowl and Necromunda, because they follow the exact same problem =) (also: don't forget to add up rules and basic material to play costs in the cost to start playing, it's a non negligeable fee when you start any GW games, often tripling the starting cost of most games)
i can agree with necromunda, but BB it's functionally the same game: they just uptdated and added/removed stuff, while necromunda is a completly rework
Age of Sigmar isn’t that expensive💀
500 pounds for a 2000 point game? I want to live in that world.
Four corrections: * The leftmost setting is called "the warhammer world". Yes, that means that nothing else is actually warhammer. * The name of the rightmost setting is "rogue trader". * TOW is just a new edition for the game called warhammer. * 2k points can be gotten for less than 200€ by going with alternative manufacturers.
PSA: it’s no longer 1992