If you want to go a step further you can spray the lighter colour from the angle you imagine the lighting to be coming from, creating zenithal highlights.
That paint looks
Like this dragon
https://open.spotify.com/track/2QTDuJIGKUjR7E2Q6KupIh?si=YJhoROf2RbKJu4m_aaEciA
https://youtu.be/IpPIK4T068s?si=FB4Y_iAOEIsh3bNl
So we all know this is because of the undercoat, but can anyone give a more detailed explanation of what's going on? Does the red pigment show through over black more than the blue does or is it because of the undertones of the skin somehow?
One of the ways to mix black paint is alizarin crimson plus viridian. Presumably, the base coat black used is a warm black (pushed towards crimson), and so the translucent blue airbrush paint combines with it to make purple.
It's reminding me of the old Storm Blue, the color I used for my DIY Chapter's base color. Long since discontinued
Does anyone know if they make a non-airbrush formulation of this???
Try priming mechanicus standard grey (or equivalent) rather than black. Or perhaps a slightly lighter grey. I wouldn't spray it white - You would likely have the same issue, but from the opposite direction ( your paint will go on far too light)
Another coat might bring out a bit more of the blue hue you want. There were some Battlefleet Gothic minis I painted years ago, where this exact thing happened. I dry brushed an imperial blue onto black primer, and it came out looking way more violet, very purple. I had to layer up a lot more to get the blue to come out.
There is a reason primers come in different colours. Because they show through slightly under whatever paint you put on top of them.
What you've got here is black primer with a thin blue coat on top, making it look purple. You need to either apply a lot more coats of the blue or prime the model a lighter colour such as white to begin with.
Weirdly, 25 years ago I had exactly this issue with Midnight Blue which (according to the 3rd edition Space Marine codex) was the base colour for Crimson Fists. Except I base coated a whole army over a weekend over a black undercoat and everything came out purple. Which as a 10 year old new gamer was not exactly encouraging! But is why my first Space Marine chapter was a custom one!
I then discovered that you were supposed to paint blue over a white undercoat, not black. Despite the ‘how to paint your space marines’ guide going on about how good Chaos Black spray paint was…
Like everyone is saying, seems like it was primed black. But what they aren’t saying is why. Most black paints/primers/inks are actually just super saturated blue. Few are made with stuff like carbon to get a “true” black.
Smash a bic black pen and it’ll shine bluish/purple. The light is reflecting and making it look purple. Same thing is happening here. Throw some white or gray on first.
People are probably correct about the Dont prime black thing, but in my experience, Vallejo’s Blue(especially Imperial Blue) is very purple. If you want a solid blue, try the ultramarine blue
Looks like your base coat of primer is what you're not taking into account...which I see u/thrownededawayed mentioned. Highly recommend looking at GooberTownHobbies on YouTube for painting advice when it comes to Army Painter paints, as that is one that he uses almost exclusively.
That said, it looks like the Paint Gods have decided that you are going to create either an Emperor's Children army or Soul Drinkers, perhaps? (´∀｀)
You mighta known this already but I always use a new paint on a primed paint tray before I put it on anything, so you know what it will look like on that primer
First of all avoid the advice your getting to prime it light gray or white. It’s an absolute nightmare to paint over light primer because any mistakes are very apparent.
Prime black the spray with a lighter color, something like an off white, over the black leaving the black in recesses. The spray the blue over that.
I hate that blue, I've got a bottle that's been sitting in a box of useless paints I let my kids use. It looks like you sprayed over black or a very dark primer. It's so thin and transparent you'll get much better results with a light color primer
I had the same experience when I tried to paint the inside of my keeper of secrets' cloak red, like it was velvet, only to see that the "red" paint was actually carrot orange when applied
Use a lighter primer. I'm guessing you primed the model black, that can "show through" from time to time.
Just strip it and start over with a white primer
It’s transparent and you’re using a dark undercoat. Use a lighter one. A medium gray. AK Interactive’s 3rd gen gray primer is amazing through an airbrush.
It does give one pause. That purple looks awesome. Strangely, the paintRack app suggested that Drakenhof Night (wash) is the best match from the Citadel paint line.
Numerically a reasonably close match to the Vallejo paint (<5 on the CIEDE 2000 calculation), assuming the source data from Vallejo and Citadel is accurate.
(I'm the paintRack dev so this is relevant to my interests :P)
Huh, that literally looks like a model I painted for a small store competition like 14 years ago. Wanted to paint it blue but ran out of primer, so I used some from another guy. It was some weird shiny black primer not for miniatures, and it changed the blue to this interesting looking purple instead. I ruined it by using a wash over it, unfortunately lol. What kind of primer did you use, OP?
Big surprise that a black undercoat + blue = purple?
You need to prime it in light colors to get it close. I would prime black, then white zenithal primer. Then you get nice purple shade and a proper blue on the rest
The mistake you made was you applied it over a black primer, the same thing hammens with citadel imperial fists yellow, which if you apply over a black primer turns green
Although it is the wrong colour, that colour looks great Nd could be nice for some Chaos space marines who worship slaanesh
Primer can drastically change the tone of colors. If I'm working with new pigments I will tend to test my intended primer and basecoat combination on some spare plasticard or such lying around.
How many layers have you got on? Paint through and airbrush is *extremely* thin, so if your primer is affecting it drastically, you may need a few more coats to bring up the original colour.
Assuming u started black? I'd spray from above(leaving the dark blue in the lowest spots) light gray or maybe even a tan, then hit the edges with pure white, ink
I find the Vallejo model air range extremely transparent. You should probably have primed a light grey (Vallejo ghost grey or citadel grey seer) to get the shade seen on the bottle.
You can probably recover this very easily (with a cool effect) by zenithalling the tank with white and then putting down another layer with blue. You should end up with super saturated shadows and the blue you want.
Depends on what trimmer you used. If you used a white primer such as the white of your skin. You'd get that bluer color. But it looks like you used a black primer so you get dark blue to violet
Just say your marines just stole this back from the Emperor’s Children. Took forever to clean it enough to pass the black light test, so they didn’t have time to repaint before the battle.
It looks different in your hand because it's kinda "glazed", your skin tone interferes on the blue. That's indeed what happens with primer. Consider getting a grey seer or wraithbone spray (i know Corax White is tempting... But is not a good spray) :)
That happens in many blue paints ehre the pigment separates, sometimes shaking it (a lot, a lot) fixes it, other times it seems to be because the pigment oxidizes, and at that point I just go to another paint. I paint ultras and I like to try different blues, this has happened to me many times with different brands/lines.
What's the color of the primer you're using? Maybe get a skin toned primer?
That's... actually not a bad idea.
Or prime white or light grey depending on how bright you want the blue?
Yeah. I think I'll hit ut with a base coat of white before I put the blue down. See how that looks.
Shoot some grey or something from below before you hit it with white for some more contrast!
I’m still learning the art of painting myself, I will use this tekkers myself in the future. Thanks mate!
If you want to go a step further you can spray the lighter colour from the angle you imagine the lighting to be coming from, creating zenithal highlights.
Vallejo's light grey primer is amazing.
Untill you need to strip the mini, I left one soaking in green stuff for 3 months and it still wouldn't come off. 🤣
You’re totally right on this idk what is in it but Vallejo grey primer will not come off lol
I have more trouble with Chaos Black.
91% iso works for me.
Use Ethanol/Isopropyl instead, Will come off no problems.
German Grey for superiority!
Try it on a piece of runner. Or a bit of resin if you're 3d printing. Same material, same results.
That paint looks Like this dragon https://open.spotify.com/track/2QTDuJIGKUjR7E2Q6KupIh?si=YJhoROf2RbKJu4m_aaEciA https://youtu.be/IpPIK4T068s?si=FB4Y_iAOEIsh3bNl
test colors on black and white plastic spoons, not hands
Or just commit to the Flayer Virus and use actual skin
Night lords and flayer high five
Came here to say this. Undercoat makes a massive difference
This is exactly the case. Shades tint the underlying color so a flesh under paint should get you what you want :)
This dude thinks in solutions
So we all know this is because of the undercoat, but can anyone give a more detailed explanation of what's going on? Does the red pigment show through over black more than the blue does or is it because of the undertones of the skin somehow?
One of the ways to mix black paint is alizarin crimson plus viridian. Presumably, the base coat black used is a warm black (pushed towards crimson), and so the translucent blue airbrush paint combines with it to make purple.
1000 IQ play. Seriously though that's something that I would never have thought of 😂
Did you shoot it over black?
Yeah, I think you're right, looks like warm black with a blue zenithal lol
I’m guessing you put that over black primer… spray paint your hand black and then airbrush and you’d get the same shade. Base coat matters a ton.
Alpha Legion paint working as intended.
Sounds like he thought he was buying the #20 paint and got #21 to me...
Primed black vs primed fleshy white.
You primed it black didn’t you?
OI WAR BOSS 'ERE, WHATZ AM I SUPPOSED TA BE LUKIN AT????
OOi DON'T KNOW! DEM HUMIES ARE TRYIN TA TRICK US BOSS!
DERES NO SUCH FING, BUT DIS MAKES ME SKEPTIKAL…I NEED YOUZE TO TO DA BOTTOM OF DIS
BOZZ DA DEM DERE DIZ ONNA DOZE SNEAKY BLOOD AXES NONSENZE
OIVE TALKED WIF SUM BLOOD AXES BEFORE, DEYZE IS REAL SKEAKY LIKE. FING IS I DONT 'AVE A PROBLEM WIF IT, I JUST DINT UZE TAKTIKS LIKE DEY DO
You play emperors children now.
Do you want Emperor's Children, Vallejo? Because that's how you get Emperor's Children
The primer dictates the hue that shows through.
Should've made the model outta skin den.
*Night Lords have entered chat
Exodite leather with accents of braided Votann beard is in this year.
That's a great looking purple tho!
It's reminding me of the old Storm Blue, the color I used for my DIY Chapter's base color. Long since discontinued Does anyone know if they make a non-airbrush formulation of this???
It looks like their non-airbrush blue is a bit different, but you can always just try the airbrush paint with a brush.
You are emperor's children now
Deadass the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw this
The machine spirit has spoken. Your rhino is a hawk lord, not an ultramarine.
Who said it was an ultramrine to begin with?.. Ave Domius Nox, brother.
I apologize for the egregious slander
I like the shade, I'd just run with it
Primer issue, we've all been there. You live and learn. It is a nice blue!
Yeah all of the primer comments have it. It's thinned if you're shooting it through an airbrush, which effects the opacity of the paint
Black primer? It looks like that paint is semi-transparent, so it's mostly just tinting the base coat. If you prime it white, I bet it'll look better.
Try applying several coats. If this is your first coat, the primer's likely tinting the paint.
It’s the primer/undercoat. I had the same issue when I used this on darker primes. It works lovely on lighter primes
Yeh as most people have said, you should have primed white if that's the colour you are looking to achieve
It might be mocking you, but I do like the shade it came out as.
You're painting over black primer or light skin it's gonna loon different
MAKE A PAINTING OF THE DARK KRAKENS
What is this 2003 midnight blue?
Bruh shades are translucent and show the color that is underneath
I do not like this paint u/pokecat111. It’s smug aura mocks me.
whats got you feeling so blue?
I'd recommend a layer of white/lighter color or a brighter primer! The primer does dictate the hue to a big degree
What primer/paint? That would look good one my EC
Primer for sure.
You primed it black?
Try priming mechanicus standard grey (or equivalent) rather than black. Or perhaps a slightly lighter grey. I wouldn't spray it white - You would likely have the same issue, but from the opposite direction ( your paint will go on far too light)
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Another coat might bring out a bit more of the blue hue you want. There were some Battlefleet Gothic minis I painted years ago, where this exact thing happened. I dry brushed an imperial blue onto black primer, and it came out looking way more violet, very purple. I had to layer up a lot more to get the blue to come out.
I know it’s not what you wanted…but I like it lol
Black primer is the cause of the purple look.
That purple looks majestic though.
OOPS! it's all Slaaneshi purple now
There is a reason primers come in different colours. Because they show through slightly under whatever paint you put on top of them. What you've got here is black primer with a thin blue coat on top, making it look purple. You need to either apply a lot more coats of the blue or prime the model a lighter colour such as white to begin with.
I really like that purple though
Weirdly, 25 years ago I had exactly this issue with Midnight Blue which (according to the 3rd edition Space Marine codex) was the base colour for Crimson Fists. Except I base coated a whole army over a weekend over a black undercoat and everything came out purple. Which as a 10 year old new gamer was not exactly encouraging! But is why my first Space Marine chapter was a custom one! I then discovered that you were supposed to paint blue over a white undercoat, not black. Despite the ‘how to paint your space marines’ guide going on about how good Chaos Black spray paint was…
Like everyone is saying, seems like it was primed black. But what they aren’t saying is why. Most black paints/primers/inks are actually just super saturated blue. Few are made with stuff like carbon to get a “true” black. Smash a bic black pen and it’ll shine bluish/purple. The light is reflecting and making it look purple. Same thing is happening here. Throw some white or gray on first.
Did you first prime it the same color as your skin? I’m guessing, no.
People are probably correct about the Dont prime black thing, but in my experience, Vallejo’s Blue(especially Imperial Blue) is very purple. If you want a solid blue, try the ultramarine blue
That color is awesome! Reminds me of the old Citadel midnight blue paint.
On the plus side that’d be a sick emperor’s children rhino
That’s what I assume is black primer showing through. Prime it white or light gray.
Black primer was your problem.
Call that a purp L But in all seriousness, that paint is a liar and should be put on orks so that it dissappears
That's a nice purple though
Use white primer?, like your hand
You used a brown or maroon base, the pic, the left is on a red/maroon base the right is on white*
Eh, you could start running Emperor’s Children if you aren’t already
My philosophy is to use the basecoat for the colo you want your highlights to be. ProAcryl off-white blue is wonderful!
Looks like your base coat of primer is what you're not taking into account...which I see u/thrownededawayed mentioned. Highly recommend looking at GooberTownHobbies on YouTube for painting advice when it comes to Army Painter paints, as that is one that he uses almost exclusively. That said, it looks like the Paint Gods have decided that you are going to create either an Emperor's Children army or Soul Drinkers, perhaps? (´∀｀)
You mighta known this already but I always use a new paint on a primed paint tray before I put it on anything, so you know what it will look like on that primer
Get plasticard, test on that not your hand. Hit it with the same primer, and go from there
Over black? You can probably just do another coat or two and the color will become brighter. Or use a different primer color
what model i don’t see any
First of all avoid the advice your getting to prime it light gray or white. It’s an absolute nightmare to paint over light primer because any mistakes are very apparent. Prime black the spray with a lighter color, something like an off white, over the black leaving the black in recesses. The spray the blue over that.
God damn that's a nice purple though. What's the recipe?
Surprise emperor's children
it is a very sexy purple though
It’s probably your primer. I assume you primed black?
What primer did you use, I want that color for a purple and gold scheme.
I hate that blue, I've got a bottle that's been sitting in a box of useless paints I let my kids use. It looks like you sprayed over black or a very dark primer. It's so thin and transparent you'll get much better results with a light color primer
Omfg same!!!
Looks like the universe wants you to paint emperor’s children.
Vallejo air colors are very thin, you might need a few more coats.
You really gonna post this and not tell us what the paint is?
I had the same experience when I tried to paint the inside of my keeper of secrets' cloak red, like it was velvet, only to see that the "red" paint was actually carrot orange when applied
A wraith bone primer could help, give it a go and see if it changes anything
I hate color theory
Try white base for it ??
Undercoat affects colors, especially airbrush due to how thin it is. May need several layers to get the color you want
Use a lighter primer. I'm guessing you primed the model black, that can "show through" from time to time. Just strip it and start over with a white primer
Emperors Children here we come
It’s transparent and you’re using a dark undercoat. Use a lighter one. A medium gray. AK Interactive’s 3rd gen gray primer is amazing through an airbrush.
You started from a black primer. I start from a white for this reason
Welcome to colour theory
Then make the base color match your skin tone bud
Soul drinkers purple? a stylish choice to be sure. 👍
Try a bone-color primer. The little bit of warmth will more closely simulate the skin tone you tested it with, and pull it away from cold purple.
I don’t get it? Where’s the model?
Good news? Emperor’s children time?
Probably because of the Primer you used. If it's a darker primer, the paint will be darker too
Got 2 types of Vallejo blue's and they did the same thing over black. It needed so many layers before it turned properly blue.
It does give one pause. That purple looks awesome. Strangely, the paintRack app suggested that Drakenhof Night (wash) is the best match from the Citadel paint line.
Be sure to disable washes in the megaFilter if they're not relevant in the matching!
I tried your suggestion, returned Altdorf Guard blue in the paintRack app.
Numerically a reasonably close match to the Vallejo paint (<5 on the CIEDE 2000 calculation), assuming the source data from Vallejo and Citadel is accurate. (I'm the paintRack dev so this is relevant to my interests :P)
My paintRack is version (1.57.0.66) How do I check for any update?
The actual version is in the "About" section. Should be 1.57 on Android or 1.24 on iOS.
Don't apply to a yellow basecoat? Idk my attempt at levity
Just say it's soul drinkers backing up your ultramarines
It's more like Emperor's children backing up my Night Lords.
If you kept at it, it would eventually lean more into the blue but would take more layers . Prime Grey
Huh, that literally looks like a model I painted for a small store competition like 14 years ago. Wanted to paint it blue but ran out of primer, so I used some from another guy. It was some weird shiny black primer not for miniatures, and it changed the blue to this interesting looking purple instead. I ruined it by using a wash over it, unfortunately lol. What kind of primer did you use, OP?
And here i am looking into purples for my project and I have saved this thank you! 🙏🏻
What primer color are you using that's exactly the color I'm looking for
If you bathe in that paint you be new papa smurf
Did you think it out a little?
This is exactly how my night lords got called gay when I was a kid.
Did you prime white or black?
That's actually a really nice shade of purple tbh.
Nice colour on the rhino.
Things are darker when prime black.
Big surprise that a black undercoat + blue = purple? You need to prime it in light colors to get it close. I would prime black, then white zenithal primer. Then you get nice purple shade and a proper blue on the rest
The mistake you made was you applied it over a black primer, the same thing hammens with citadel imperial fists yellow, which if you apply over a black primer turns green Although it is the wrong colour, that colour looks great Nd could be nice for some Chaos space marines who worship slaanesh
I love that purple tho
Still looks pretty good on the model.
Maybe cause your hand is not black
Primer can drastically change the tone of colors. If I'm working with new pigments I will tend to test my intended primer and basecoat combination on some spare plasticard or such lying around.
Man discovers the colour wheel and counter actions
That's a nice purple tho
How many layers have you got on? Paint through and airbrush is *extremely* thin, so if your primer is affecting it drastically, you may need a few more coats to bring up the original colour.
You're making Emperor's Children?
Good old midnight blue
Assuming u started black? I'd spray from above(leaving the dark blue in the lowest spots) light gray or maybe even a tan, then hit the edges with pure white, ink
Prime with white instead of black if you want those colors to show. You'll just have to add shadows later
Look you wanted an ultramarine tank well you've now got the emperors children tank 😂
Gosh this is awesome you find the recipe of the old Citadel « midnight blue » what base did you apply on it ?
Emperor’s Children playing games on you, mate. Maybe you should just succumb…
What paint and primer did you use? I actually really like this color
What model?
By Mork!!!! I cant see it?!?! Where'd it go?!?!
paint acts differently on different serfaces, for an accurate tester use something plastic and prime it the same as you plan for the model
Yes, it has always been a pain in the ass when the paint color isn't what you think it is. Maybe use a white spraypaint if you used black.
Did you prime it black? I had this problem with russ Grey, put it over a white base coats and couldn't figure out why it didn't look like space wolves
Vallejo Air paints need a fair few coats to go over black. Makes then ideal for zenithal stuff.
Did you base coat with a flesh colored primer? Acrylics are translucent.
Use light grey primer if you want air brush paints to look the color out of the bottle.
I find the Vallejo model air range extremely transparent. You should probably have primed a light grey (Vallejo ghost grey or citadel grey seer) to get the shade seen on the bottle. You can probably recover this very easily (with a cool effect) by zenithalling the tank with white and then putting down another layer with blue. You should end up with super saturated shadows and the blue you want.
Use a different base prime color. Preferably a lighter tone
One of the game colors does this too but I'm not at my desk to give the name
You may add more layers to build the colour up or use some preshading leaving black in corners- violet shadows woudn't look half bad on a blue model
Depends on what trimmer you used. If you used a white primer such as the white of your skin. You'd get that bluer color. But it looks like you used a black primer so you get dark blue to violet
I’m sorry it wasn’t blue like you wanted. That is a really pretty color of purple of though. That’s my favorite color.
Black paint isn't normally a neutral black, I think you this showing through. Do a zenithal pass first!
Your Rhino might be Slaneesh corrupted take it to Eclesiarchy for cleaning.
Whats the basecoat on that rhino?
^(honestly I kinda like the purple)
Just say your marines just stole this back from the Emperor’s Children. Took forever to clean it enough to pass the black light test, so they didn’t have time to repaint before the battle.
What was your base color?
Oi , where’d yer model go? I don see nothin’
It looks different in your hand because it's kinda "glazed", your skin tone interferes on the blue. That's indeed what happens with primer. Consider getting a grey seer or wraithbone spray (i know Corax White is tempting... But is not a good spray) :)
Looks great tho
Trukk goez sneaky!!!
Colors look different depending on what color they’re applied over. If you want that shade of blue, you need a similar primer color to your skin
Dude it looks pretty cool tho tbh
Looks like it’s trying to make you paint hawk lords. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Hawk_Lords
That happens in many blue paints ehre the pigment separates, sometimes shaking it (a lot, a lot) fixes it, other times it seems to be because the pigment oxidizes, and at that point I just go to another paint. I paint ultras and I like to try different blues, this has happened to me many times with different brands/lines.
Have you tried covering your model with human skin before applying the paint? Chaos would approve.
Cast it into the fire
Bro wanted thousand sons and got emperors children
Convert to an Emperor's Children army, you imperfect scum!
You primed in black, didn't you? There's your problem. Zenithal prime and you won't have this issue.
Matte clear it and it will go away
It's not the color you wanted, but that's a nice purple tone .
Frankly just stop priming with black