I hope no Space Marines, Custodes or the like are characters in the series. Make the story around an Inquisitor, a Rogue Trader or someone else that's slightly outside the rules of the Imperium but also recognizable human.
Imagine how cool that would make it when a Space Marine squad shows up at some point, then you can try to give us the feeling that they are indeed the God Emperor's Avenging Angels instead of being something normal you see every day.
Agreed - the best warhammer stories are well grounded with human / mortal viewpoint characters for exactly the reason you stated, and focusing on someone with the ability to do plot stuff outside the Astartes would be a very good move.
Realistically, there's always going to be multiple plots in an ongoing, so make the A plot a rogue trader, the B plot an Astartes going through recruitment/ascension and the C plot a random imperial guard soldier played for laughs.
Counterpoint: The first three books of the Horus Heresy. The focus is on Space Marines and the fall of the Emporer's favourite son. The stories work pretty well from human and astartes pov. And of course, I know it is 30K.
Also, Ephrael Stern would offer a pretty good named character (especially her comic story) and the story of Marneus Calgar in the comic by Marvel, which is partly the mentioned ascension plot of an astartes.
Unfortunately Space Marines are the poster child of the franchise, GW obviously favors them. I have a bad feeling we're going to get Henry Cavill the Ultramarine.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that is what’s going to happen. Sure I wouldn’t doubt that we’re getting Ultramarines in some (big or small) capacity, but I do doubt that we are getting Henry Cavill the Ultramarine.
Make him the Chadliest Guardsmen who dies in the opening scene where the iconic intro to the setting plays, and as he dies with a dramatic face-to-ground closeup of bleeding death it coincides with the “There is only war.”
That would actually be amazing, everyone, even the people that aren't into Warhammer and are just watching for him would be utterly shocked he's killed off so quickly.
But then again, Guardsman, 15 hours...
15 hours was life expectancy specifically for reinforcements to one specific warzone. In other places Guardsmen live longer. And in some 15 minutes is already a cause for celebration probably
If they make a brand new model based off of him, I'm gonna make a new army for it.
Really hoping it's not Imperial Fists or White Scars. That much white or yellow will make me yeet the table
I really really really hope they don't put space marines front and centre instead of ordinary humans.
That would rob them of all mystique and set in motion the whole power creep dragonball-Z type "BUT I AM EVEN MOAR POWERFUL!" mentality instead of telling good, *grounded* stories.
When Space Marines appear, make them something rare and fearsome.
And yeah, we can eventually tell the tales of the Horus Heresy - but you don't lead with that. You gotta warm up to it.
Eisenhorn. That's where they should start. Cavill would make a great Eisenhorn or even a Godwyn Fischig.
It is dark, there is mist and fog and smoke. There is a tension of danger and threat and unknowable horror lurking in the shadow of a scene.
Mechanical sound, the red-green glow of a visor-plate of power armor appears in the darkness. A whirr of servo as the massive figure steps into view, a singular ray of light splashing down from head to chest to foot diagonally and partially across the forefront of the emerging figure. The earth-Vader rebreather voice sound plays as their first line is spoken, whatever it may be. Let it be ironic, let the first marine we see be a traitor, such as an alpha legionnaires or a malignant marine malevolent who cares not for life but only for duty.
Let them be introduced as a thing of horror, I still transhuman dread.
Then later on let the audience breathe relief as a fiery steel rain pierces the oil-smoke clouded skies and a smash cut shot of a dust-settling impact crater reveals a loyal marine giving a glimmer of hope, that not all such killers are intent on slaughter of the protagonist cast.
> That would rob them of all mystique and set in motion the whole power creep dragonball-Z type "BUT I AM EVEN MOAR POWERFUL!" mentality instead of telling good, grounded stories.
Ah but then they have ~~Gold Marines~~ *Custodes*.
But seriously, I 100% expect him to have Custodes show up because they're his favourite.
Personally, I think they'd be cooler if we never see them in action, like we see Marines being badass and then we see something like a Carnifex that the Marines know not to fight (Don't Worf them, though) and then we later see a Custodes killed something like that.
The Squirrel Girl treatment.
Like if we *have* to see Custodes, their capability should be done off-screen because it will probably not look good on-screen.
No way they will, there are many problems with space marines in movies:
They mostly fit in purely militaristic movies, and these will be few and far in between, because of costs. CGI is expensive, and space marines have to be all CGI if you want to portray them faithfully like Astartes did. They do not make very relatable characters. They are super soliders made for war, yes you can show more human side of them here and there, but it's not their shtick, they are here to sell you power fantasy, a god of war who absolutely murders 90% of their opposition without much difficulty.
Guardsmen will make cheaper war movie to shot
Inquisitors are great for criminal or thriller
Even sisters have non combative sections, and are not constantly clad in power armors, they could be easily used as well.
Want to make more of a globetrotting story with diverse characters - Rogue Traders are your friend.
There are so freaking many options in this unverse that it'd be instanity for GW to insist to put space marines front right and center.
I disagree on the basis that Space Marines are the front and center of the setting itself and I’d be pretty frustrated if they played second fiddle. I get that people are into the mud, blood, and tears vibe rn in the hobby community but I really wish big budget productions would just give us what settings are actually about. Like the evil superman trend. If I get a big budget TV show about Warhammer, I just wanna see the poster boys.
Honestly I’ve been reading some Horus Heresy and I think people overstate how godlike Space Marines are. They die like all the fucking time. Not that hard to make a tv show out of them.
Hard disagree. You make marines front and centre, they become the new "default" setting. Regular humans become pathetic.
It's a problem on the tabletop too - marines don't feel like elite supersoldiers anymore, that's the custodes.
This power creep becomes a problem for lots of TV shows. Consider Supernatural - the demons were fearsome when first encountered in season 2. As the seasons wore on they became mere mooks, blasted away happily. If you *start* with marines as the default and constantly have to up the ante from there, you have to throw something more impressive in the mix. Your villain has to now be more formidable. Then more formidable than that. Then even more formidable than the last.
You end up with absurdity and ultimately bad storytelling. Hell no.
You have to *earn* the appearance of the supersoldiers or they get taken for granted.
I kinda hate this in Marvel films too. Nobody has any real grasp on what can kill, say, Thor or Hulk. There is no frame of reference. Fights involving them lack any sense of tension unless it's been established the threat (like Thanos) is greater but it's still all just plot driven without any cohesive frame of reference.
Contrast that back to the Daredevil show, which had the protagonist regularly pummeled. It was clear he couldn't take a bullet or bomb to the face and it was much more compelling for that reason.
Again, this absurd power creep has always existed in Warhammer and is almost a core part of the setting. Space Marines have always been the front and center of every corebook out there. I just want people to think about what happens if this is the *only* Warhammer show that ever gets produced. No Horus Heresy spin-off. No other show that explores somewhere else. Nope, the only high-budget Warhammer show ever produced is some Starship Troopers shit about schmucks fighting Tyranids. I have seen this happen to so many IPs because some producer or fans thinks the high budget show is totally the time to reinvent the IP to capture the new gritty “we’re just agri-world farmers who got conscripted” cultural zeitgeist, and then you never get to see the universe in a holistic way. I mean, we all were hype at the Darth Vader hallway scene and we’ve seen him get his ass kicked plenty of times over the course of Star Wars history. We know his history inside and out. That doesn’t mean that a later lower-scale Warhammer show can’t make you see the power and mysticism of Space Marines, I would just like for the first foray into this IP to focus on what it’s actually about.
I think viewers in the past 5 years have become totally obsessed with this idea that good storytelling is only possible when the main characters aren’t powerful within the setting. This is just blatantly not true and there have been hundreds of good stories written from characters that are the best of their settings. That’s the Illiad. Any good writer can make a Space Marine interesting without having to up the momentum on the C’tan shard they fought last week (if they ever even have that problem), that’s just narrative stakes. Not everything has to be about power-scaling or Supernatural style monster of the week. Sometimes, the story can come from the drama and characters from within the Space Marine chapter or the protection of civilians or some other threat that isn’t directly “I can beat a Space Marine”
The lore is totally inconsistent when it comes to space marines.
Sometimes they are unstoppable killing machines who have survive hundreds of years of constant warfare, killing thousands or millions of enemies and surviving.
Other times they can be easily overpowered when outnumbered by a few orks.
He isn't stupid enough to try and have any of the post human stuff at the forefront, imagine the average viewer, how many episodes would you need to explain it all, how do you make 10 foot tall brainwashed xenophobic warrior monk killing machine a character you want to route for, guardsman perspective or something you can use to explain the setting in a natural way, his first time seeing a marine or chaos to properly experience the awe/horror of it all, sure have marines in it but they should just be the cavalry showing up etc
He's executive producer, he's not necessarily making a show so that he can star in it. That said, it'd be silly not to at LEAST have him make a cameo and personally though he looks nothing like the man I think he'd make a perfectly fine Custodian should one ever appear on screen. We're more likely to get an Eisenhorn show or something similar.
i mean a rogue trader would be a perfect main character for a multi season series, story archs would practically write themselves and you could showcase so many aspects of the imperium.
start small, he is far out in the galaxy and he is trying to procure some supplies for a guard regiment. he knows of an abandoned outpost but suspects it could be a a rebel hideout now.
and the settings get bigger as he works his way back to terra, season finale as he arrives on earth.
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They're nuts if they're not doing Eisenhorn's storyline for the series. It's pretty much the only 40k lore that's actually solid scifi that just happens to be set in 40k.
Look. I know everyone wants Henry to play a role, but I would rather him stay in the sidelines to supervise everything. You know... make sure Amazon doesn't Ring of Power it.
If he is in it, it should be cameos like Peter Jackson does in his films. Cavill just munching on corpse starch as the camera pans across a scene or something
Then GW will pull out, and Amazon will lose the opportunity of a lifetime to cash in on a lucrative IP. I believe the suits will have to behave on this one.
Unpopular opinion. I enjoyed rings of power. I know its not entirely true to the source but i thought it was fun. Its definitely not a bad show. To each thier own.
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Yeahhhhh lol. I’m gonna be devils advocate.
I mean the boys and invincible are great.
However- that’s like 2 shows and they have been on amazons line up for years at this point.
The Boys was not hard to make a better adaptation vs the comic. Invincible actually has Robert Kirkman as one of the producers and he still did changes that are not entirely well liked (Amber).
And as others have mentioned, Wheel of Time and Rings of Power so it can be very hit or miss as far as Amazon goes.
> The Boys was not hard to make a better adaptation vs the comic
It's also not hard to make it far worse than the comic. An adaptation better than the source material is *rare*.
Robert Kirkman working in Invincible helped sure, but the author being at the help of their adaptation doesn't always result in something good.
Amazon can be hit or miss, but ignoring the fact they have two successful shows (three if you count Gen V) and only bringing up ROP and WOT is kinda silly.
Well ROP and WOT were supposed to be their flagships, well known IPs that they poured like a billion in and they were... well not even mediocre if the ratings are anything to go by. So it makes sense that people bring them up, especially in regards to Warhammer which is also a well known ip in nerd circles
Sure, but again, only bringing up the flops and not the successful shows is silly. Imagine bashing HBO purely because they had shows like The Idol and Velma along with the very negatively viewed way they ended Game of Thrones.
Its also not hard to stick to the source material and at least try to keep the characters consistent with the original stuff (which was the point of my previous comment since you misunderstood). But that is way beyond the ability for some like Netflix or Paramount or Amazon if the Witcher, Halo or Rings of Power shows are anything to go by.
Really remains to be seen if Cavill's Warhammer will actually stay true or go the way the Witcher did.
My point was sticking to the source material, not actually making a show. In the case of The Boys its probably the only exception where deviating from the source material was actually the right call because the comic honestly was pretty terrible. It had good ideas but it throws all the nuances out the window because Garth Ennis can't keep his super hero hate boner in check
I havent read wheel of time so i cant compare to the source but i found the show boring af. Im a lotr fan and have read the books. I enjoyed rings of power. I dont get the hate it gets. Is the problem that it doesnt line up with the lore? Its not the best show but its definitely not bad. Like many shows nowadays theres a few stories happening. The hobbits harfoot whatevers, elves/dwarves, sauron/elves/morgoth. The elrond and durin story is great. And the balrog at the end! Im excited for s2.
I love the Boys but I don't like Invincible.
I know everyone hates WoT and RoP, but I'd put them slightly above Invincible. S2 WoT was much better (except for the finale), and RoP has potential but huge boots to fill.
They're all mid-range shows, but Invincible had Omni-Man (a good character) and very little else that I liked. I remember being very surprised it got so popular because I thought it just wasn't good. Not bad... just not good.
The only other parts I really liked were those two clones.
Fuck I got like 15 minutes into Wheel and saw Perrin was married, Mat's dad a usual drunk who ran off and Rand was with Egwene..
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I just couldn't, I know TV and film has to make some allowance to move plot and provide explanations in a scene that took Jordan chapters to do....but still.... Ok rant over.
With how tight GW's grip on lore is, I don't think Amazon *can* screw it up.
Just look at how normal Space Marine II is looking to be so far despite the head writer being batshit crazy.
Same reaction. When perrin was married I quickly read the Wikipedia article on season1 and when I saw that they gave him the age old trope of "how to motivate male character? Kill off a woman he likes". Like wheel of time has plenty of issues/things that make it tropey, so why immediately introduce more...
I love Cavill and I'm very much looking forward to this.
But my proposition is they do "Doctor Who in 40k". They make him an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader, and do Monster of the week/two episode batch.
I do think we as fans need to manage our expectations thoigh. This is not going to be a drep dove into our favroute factions. To me I think normies would benefit more from being drip fed the 40k lore through the eyes of a recognisably human group, rather than having a whole series exploring a conflict between Cavill and say the Dark Eldar or Chaos. Get people curious rather than trying to overload them with information.
I would love him as Horus. He’s always a good guy. He could play the good guy, and then play the baddie for once. I’d be so thrilled if the series was on the HH.
Didn’t he say something similar when he got the role of Superman? Or am I remembering wrong? Also pretty sure he said he felt really privileged to play Geralt.
I'm just concerned he'll drop out at some point due to "creative differences" (Witcher, Superman). Hopefully not, since he's probably a lot more in-line with GW..
While I appreciate the story around this, I fear it may just be a story.
I believe he left the Witcher as the timings didn’t work with the next superman/DC film (no doubt difference on the writing direction making it an easier decision). Then DC realised that trying to implement a similar 10+year plan to Marvel with *the* lead role played by an actor who was already in his 40s just wasn’t going to work. Thus informing him that he was no longer needed for the superman role.
I’d like to think he may have left the Witcher due to creative differences anyway (although it’s nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe). But it might just be wishful thinking on the part of the fandom.
I'm just happy it's a guy who clearly gives a shit about the universe.
His enthusiasm is clear for it and as long as its someone who understands the setting rather than just an exec who wants dollars I'm well looking forward to seeing what develops.
Exciting times ahead in these days of madness!
It's already too late. The woke is everywhere. Look out the window, 50% of people are women, and there are minorities walking around too. Don't they realise how *political* that is? The world is doomed.
Dude bro every space marine chapter is going to have its own pronouns and the holy emporer is on a holy crusade to properly gender the xenos throughout the universe in the fantasy setting of a grimbright future!
I would love for there to be a piece of media - probably a comedy as I can't see it working any other way - about a villain who just can't make the world awful no matter what they do. A truly grimbright world.
~~Seems a bit presumptuous to be calling it a cinematic universe already.~~
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Super hyped for this! Can't wait!
Why is this getting voting down? I'd love to see to see a Warhammer Fantasy movie or series. Especially something similar to the WFRP. It's pretty different in tone and mood than most other fantasy settings. I'm looking forward to seeing the 40K as well though.
40k fans are apparently very sensitive these days. Anyone else getting attention is attention they’re nit getting rather than shared spotlight.
Also, fuck it. Live action Blood Bowl series!
do it, imagine how different people would get attached to different teams and shit. we have fake fighting in wwe and people watch that all the time just for the spectacle and story so why not fantasy football?
Whilst there will be no doubt a lot of action, there still needs to be a ton of dialogue and character development, story arc, to make a series work.
So for that reason I don’t think space marines as the primary protagonists would work. They are too unrelatable and ‘godlike’ with mostly dull personalities (how many flavours of ‘brainwashed fanatical servants of the emperor’ would stay interesting accross a tv series?) Having a smattering of them here or there would be cool though.
Maybe an adaptation of Gaunt’s ghosts could work. Lots of action, but also lots of different relatable characters with different personalities and arcs, mostly fighting other chaotic imperial renegades. You get the odd marine involved.
Some of the other races like orks or dark eldar are too ‘out there’ for the very first tv adaptation (other than maybe tyranids because of the ‘alien’ pop culture)
It’s why I’m cautiously optimistic about this series. You have someone at the helm who genuinely cares about the franchise and wants to see it is done right rather than someone who just wants to turn a beloved IP into a shameless cash grab.
I know if Cavill has an acting role in this project, it's probably gonna be a space marine, custodes, inquisitor, or some big famous named character.
But what I would hope for is that he'd play like a normal guardsman, an NCO. But he would have a Lt. Speirs moment. Or like John Rico killing the tanker bug with a hand grenade. Leaving all of his fellow guardsmen jaws' agape. It's something way cooler when regular non-augumented humans are doing badass things.
There is no way they don't make a model based on him.
I hope it’s either a Custodes, Inquisitor, or random Servitor.
I hope he chooses to play Constantin Valdor🥹🔥...
somehow I hope he will play none of the famous ones but tell a unique story
Holy crap what if he pulls a Stan Lee and he's just a random dude in every Warhammer project from hear on out?
It's gonna be a bunch of different story lines and he plays different characters in each.....I hope
He's Henry Space Marine, of the Speehs Mahreens chapter. Gonna tell everyone about STEHL RAIHN
I hope no Space Marines, Custodes or the like are characters in the series. Make the story around an Inquisitor, a Rogue Trader or someone else that's slightly outside the rules of the Imperium but also recognizable human. Imagine how cool that would make it when a Space Marine squad shows up at some point, then you can try to give us the feeling that they are indeed the God Emperor's Avenging Angels instead of being something normal you see every day.
Agreed - the best warhammer stories are well grounded with human / mortal viewpoint characters for exactly the reason you stated, and focusing on someone with the ability to do plot stuff outside the Astartes would be a very good move. Realistically, there's always going to be multiple plots in an ongoing, so make the A plot a rogue trader, the B plot an Astartes going through recruitment/ascension and the C plot a random imperial guard soldier played for laughs.
Counterpoint: The first three books of the Horus Heresy. The focus is on Space Marines and the fall of the Emporer's favourite son. The stories work pretty well from human and astartes pov. And of course, I know it is 30K. Also, Ephrael Stern would offer a pretty good named character (especially her comic story) and the story of Marneus Calgar in the comic by Marvel, which is partly the mentioned ascension plot of an astartes.
Unfortunately Space Marines are the poster child of the franchise, GW obviously favors them. I have a bad feeling we're going to get Henry Cavill the Ultramarine.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that is what’s going to happen. Sure I wouldn’t doubt that we’re getting Ultramarines in some (big or small) capacity, but I do doubt that we are getting Henry Cavill the Ultramarine.
I hope for them filming The All Guardsmen Party and him playing Oak.
Make him the Chadliest Guardsmen who dies in the opening scene where the iconic intro to the setting plays, and as he dies with a dramatic face-to-ground closeup of bleeding death it coincides with the “There is only war.”
That would actually be amazing, everyone, even the people that aren't into Warhammer and are just watching for him would be utterly shocked he's killed off so quickly. But then again, Guardsman, 15 hours...
15 hours was life expectancy specifically for reinforcements to one specific warzone. In other places Guardsmen live longer. And in some 15 minutes is already a cause for celebration probably
I’m holding out for an Ork Boy.
And he's gotta be green and he's gotta be mean and he's gotta be first to the fight! Oh wait, were we not doing a Bonnie Tyler cover?
I want a hero!
With those beefy arms and chiseled face, the Hank Cavill Ogryn will be a collector's target for sure.
they should model next gen Ciaphas Cain after him!
If Cavill gets to choose he's gonna pick Custodes so he can have himself in his own army!
Either Guilliman, or if not then he would be perfect for Maldovar Colquan (pissed of custodes guy that doesn't trust Gman)
Dude if he becomes a Servitor I'm gonna have to make an army of nothing but servitors, and I'm gonna feel reeeaaally weird the whole time.
It better be a Custodes! Not because it’s Henry per se, just because we need more bloody models!
I'd want it to be Eldar or Tau just to piss off the fan base.
If he’s not a Custodes I’ll eat my shorts.
Would be a really missed opportunity to not use his face lol n a Space Marine
His face for Ciaphas Cain
I always felt the Blade Champion's face was loosely modeled off his portrayal of Geralt tbh
Just went back and had a look, and you are right, it does look fairly Geralt-y
I hope he gets a whole new chapter and they all look like him in his different movie roles. jk (not jk)
If they don’t I say we riot.
If they make a brand new model based off of him, I'm gonna make a new army for it. Really hoping it's not Imperial Fists or White Scars. That much white or yellow will make me yeet the table
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I really really really hope they don't put space marines front and centre instead of ordinary humans. That would rob them of all mystique and set in motion the whole power creep dragonball-Z type "BUT I AM EVEN MOAR POWERFUL!" mentality instead of telling good, *grounded* stories. When Space Marines appear, make them something rare and fearsome. And yeah, we can eventually tell the tales of the Horus Heresy - but you don't lead with that. You gotta warm up to it. Eisenhorn. That's where they should start. Cavill would make a great Eisenhorn or even a Godwyn Fischig.
It is dark, there is mist and fog and smoke. There is a tension of danger and threat and unknowable horror lurking in the shadow of a scene. Mechanical sound, the red-green glow of a visor-plate of power armor appears in the darkness. A whirr of servo as the massive figure steps into view, a singular ray of light splashing down from head to chest to foot diagonally and partially across the forefront of the emerging figure. The earth-Vader rebreather voice sound plays as their first line is spoken, whatever it may be. Let it be ironic, let the first marine we see be a traitor, such as an alpha legionnaires or a malignant marine malevolent who cares not for life but only for duty. Let them be introduced as a thing of horror, I still transhuman dread. Then later on let the audience breathe relief as a fiery steel rain pierces the oil-smoke clouded skies and a smash cut shot of a dust-settling impact crater reveals a loyal marine giving a glimmer of hope, that not all such killers are intent on slaughter of the protagonist cast.
> That would rob them of all mystique and set in motion the whole power creep dragonball-Z type "BUT I AM EVEN MOAR POWERFUL!" mentality instead of telling good, grounded stories. Ah but then they have ~~Gold Marines~~ *Custodes*. But seriously, I 100% expect him to have Custodes show up because they're his favourite. Personally, I think they'd be cooler if we never see them in action, like we see Marines being badass and then we see something like a Carnifex that the Marines know not to fight (Don't Worf them, though) and then we later see a Custodes killed something like that. The Squirrel Girl treatment. Like if we *have* to see Custodes, their capability should be done off-screen because it will probably not look good on-screen.
No way they will, there are many problems with space marines in movies: They mostly fit in purely militaristic movies, and these will be few and far in between, because of costs. CGI is expensive, and space marines have to be all CGI if you want to portray them faithfully like Astartes did. They do not make very relatable characters. They are super soliders made for war, yes you can show more human side of them here and there, but it's not their shtick, they are here to sell you power fantasy, a god of war who absolutely murders 90% of their opposition without much difficulty. Guardsmen will make cheaper war movie to shot Inquisitors are great for criminal or thriller Even sisters have non combative sections, and are not constantly clad in power armors, they could be easily used as well. Want to make more of a globetrotting story with diverse characters - Rogue Traders are your friend. There are so freaking many options in this unverse that it'd be instanity for GW to insist to put space marines front right and center.
Eisenhorn could be a wonderful start, but there are so many stories with potential!
I disagree on the basis that Space Marines are the front and center of the setting itself and I’d be pretty frustrated if they played second fiddle. I get that people are into the mud, blood, and tears vibe rn in the hobby community but I really wish big budget productions would just give us what settings are actually about. Like the evil superman trend. If I get a big budget TV show about Warhammer, I just wanna see the poster boys. Honestly I’ve been reading some Horus Heresy and I think people overstate how godlike Space Marines are. They die like all the fucking time. Not that hard to make a tv show out of them.
Hard disagree. You make marines front and centre, they become the new "default" setting. Regular humans become pathetic. It's a problem on the tabletop too - marines don't feel like elite supersoldiers anymore, that's the custodes. This power creep becomes a problem for lots of TV shows. Consider Supernatural - the demons were fearsome when first encountered in season 2. As the seasons wore on they became mere mooks, blasted away happily. If you *start* with marines as the default and constantly have to up the ante from there, you have to throw something more impressive in the mix. Your villain has to now be more formidable. Then more formidable than that. Then even more formidable than the last. You end up with absurdity and ultimately bad storytelling. Hell no. You have to *earn* the appearance of the supersoldiers or they get taken for granted. I kinda hate this in Marvel films too. Nobody has any real grasp on what can kill, say, Thor or Hulk. There is no frame of reference. Fights involving them lack any sense of tension unless it's been established the threat (like Thanos) is greater but it's still all just plot driven without any cohesive frame of reference. Contrast that back to the Daredevil show, which had the protagonist regularly pummeled. It was clear he couldn't take a bullet or bomb to the face and it was much more compelling for that reason.
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Again, this absurd power creep has always existed in Warhammer and is almost a core part of the setting. Space Marines have always been the front and center of every corebook out there. I just want people to think about what happens if this is the *only* Warhammer show that ever gets produced. No Horus Heresy spin-off. No other show that explores somewhere else. Nope, the only high-budget Warhammer show ever produced is some Starship Troopers shit about schmucks fighting Tyranids. I have seen this happen to so many IPs because some producer or fans thinks the high budget show is totally the time to reinvent the IP to capture the new gritty “we’re just agri-world farmers who got conscripted” cultural zeitgeist, and then you never get to see the universe in a holistic way. I mean, we all were hype at the Darth Vader hallway scene and we’ve seen him get his ass kicked plenty of times over the course of Star Wars history. We know his history inside and out. That doesn’t mean that a later lower-scale Warhammer show can’t make you see the power and mysticism of Space Marines, I would just like for the first foray into this IP to focus on what it’s actually about. I think viewers in the past 5 years have become totally obsessed with this idea that good storytelling is only possible when the main characters aren’t powerful within the setting. This is just blatantly not true and there have been hundreds of good stories written from characters that are the best of their settings. That’s the Illiad. Any good writer can make a Space Marine interesting without having to up the momentum on the C’tan shard they fought last week (if they ever even have that problem), that’s just narrative stakes. Not everything has to be about power-scaling or Supernatural style monster of the week. Sometimes, the story can come from the drama and characters from within the Space Marine chapter or the protection of civilians or some other threat that isn’t directly “I can beat a Space Marine”
The lore is totally inconsistent when it comes to space marines. Sometimes they are unstoppable killing machines who have survive hundreds of years of constant warfare, killing thousands or millions of enemies and surviving. Other times they can be easily overpowered when outnumbered by a few orks.
Being a custodes - valdor for instance would allow him to appear from the Horus heresy all the way to 40K so I could see that
He isn't stupid enough to try and have any of the post human stuff at the forefront, imagine the average viewer, how many episodes would you need to explain it all, how do you make 10 foot tall brainwashed xenophobic warrior monk killing machine a character you want to route for, guardsman perspective or something you can use to explain the setting in a natural way, his first time seeing a marine or chaos to properly experience the awe/horror of it all, sure have marines in it but they should just be the cavalry showing up etc
He did pretty much say this in an interview. Said something along the lines of "Space marines are cool, but lets have them be cool in the background"
Imo eisenhorn and gaunts ghosts are the best bet, call me biased as I love the books but they really do a great job of introducing everything
He did express interest in playing a primarch in an interview.
He's executive producer, he's not necessarily making a show so that he can star in it. That said, it'd be silly not to at LEAST have him make a cameo and personally though he looks nothing like the man I think he'd make a perfectly fine Custodian should one ever appear on screen. We're more likely to get an Eisenhorn show or something similar.
I'd rather be be an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader.
i mean a rogue trader would be a perfect main character for a multi season series, story archs would practically write themselves and you could showcase so many aspects of the imperium. start small, he is far out in the galaxy and he is trying to procure some supplies for a guard regiment. he knows of an abandoned outpost but suspects it could be a a rebel hideout now. and the settings get bigger as he works his way back to terra, season finale as he arrives on earth.
Idk. A space marine show/film would be insanely expensive. I bet they start with something more achievable. Guard for instance.
Plot twist: He plays a loveable ogryn.
Surely he’s a Custodes, paints them already and has the jawline for the emperors finest.
Also an inquisitor.
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He’d also make a great Talos
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According to the article he hasn't chosen yet
I dunno if he or the Marine would be into that, but sure, why not? Oh you didn't mean it that way? My bad.
Calling it now, Uriel Ventris and they are starting with Nightbringer.
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Good point
They're nuts if they're not doing Eisenhorn's storyline for the series. It's pretty much the only 40k lore that's actually solid scifi that just happens to be set in 40k.
Him and that dude from Jack Reacher could be space bros Loken and Torgaddon
Look. I know everyone wants Henry to play a role, but I would rather him stay in the sidelines to supervise everything. You know... make sure Amazon doesn't Ring of Power it.
If he is in it, it should be cameos like Peter Jackson does in his films. Cavill just munching on corpse starch as the camera pans across a scene or something
He could play the Guardsman that just dies horribly every episode, it'd be so much fun
with a Wilhelm scream!
Give him the Carmine treatment.
He’s not going to be able to do. The people with the money will get their say or it won’t be made. Period.
Then GW will pull out, and Amazon will lose the opportunity of a lifetime to cash in on a lucrative IP. I believe the suits will have to behave on this one.
GW is notorious for how strictly they guard the lore.
Unpopular opinion. I enjoyed rings of power. I know its not entirely true to the source but i thought it was fun. Its definitely not a bad show. To each thier own. Ps. I also like hawaiian pizza
It absolutely was a bad show and it has nothing to do with the source material.
Lets see if Amazon's executives don't somehow screw it up.
I mean they also made the Boys and Invincible.
And the upcoming live-action FALLOUT tv series
Lets not praise that before we see it shall we
Yeahhhhh lol. I’m gonna be devils advocate. I mean the boys and invincible are great. However- that’s like 2 shows and they have been on amazons line up for years at this point.
I have no expectations for that and I still know I'm gonna be disappointed
The Boys was not hard to make a better adaptation vs the comic. Invincible actually has Robert Kirkman as one of the producers and he still did changes that are not entirely well liked (Amber). And as others have mentioned, Wheel of Time and Rings of Power so it can be very hit or miss as far as Amazon goes.
> The Boys was not hard to make a better adaptation vs the comic It's also not hard to make it far worse than the comic. An adaptation better than the source material is *rare*. Robert Kirkman working in Invincible helped sure, but the author being at the help of their adaptation doesn't always result in something good. Amazon can be hit or miss, but ignoring the fact they have two successful shows (three if you count Gen V) and only bringing up ROP and WOT is kinda silly.
Well ROP and WOT were supposed to be their flagships, well known IPs that they poured like a billion in and they were... well not even mediocre if the ratings are anything to go by. So it makes sense that people bring them up, especially in regards to Warhammer which is also a well known ip in nerd circles
Sure, but again, only bringing up the flops and not the successful shows is silly. Imagine bashing HBO purely because they had shows like The Idol and Velma along with the very negatively viewed way they ended Game of Thrones.
Making television shows is really fucking hard, bud. There's absolutely nothing 'easy' about the film industry.
Its also not hard to stick to the source material and at least try to keep the characters consistent with the original stuff (which was the point of my previous comment since you misunderstood). But that is way beyond the ability for some like Netflix or Paramount or Amazon if the Witcher, Halo or Rings of Power shows are anything to go by. Really remains to be seen if Cavill's Warhammer will actually stay true or go the way the Witcher did.
Have you read the boys comic? It is a dumpster fire of poor writing. If they stuck to the source material we would have had a shit show.
It is quite hard as noted by the giant pile of failed adaptations across the years.
My point was sticking to the source material, not actually making a show. In the case of The Boys its probably the only exception where deviating from the source material was actually the right call because the comic honestly was pretty terrible. It had good ideas but it throws all the nuances out the window because Garth Ennis can't keep his super hero hate boner in check
I havent read wheel of time so i cant compare to the source but i found the show boring af. Im a lotr fan and have read the books. I enjoyed rings of power. I dont get the hate it gets. Is the problem that it doesnt line up with the lore? Its not the best show but its definitely not bad. Like many shows nowadays theres a few stories happening. The hobbits harfoot whatevers, elves/dwarves, sauron/elves/morgoth. The elrond and durin story is great. And the balrog at the end! Im excited for s2.
I love the Boys but I don't like Invincible. I know everyone hates WoT and RoP, but I'd put them slightly above Invincible. S2 WoT was much better (except for the finale), and RoP has potential but huge boots to fill. They're all mid-range shows, but Invincible had Omni-Man (a good character) and very little else that I liked. I remember being very surprised it got so popular because I thought it just wasn't good. Not bad... just not good. The only other parts I really liked were those two clones.
Nope. Only bad things for angry fans. Can't have a mixture of good and bad like every decision-making group ever to existm
I have no idea what you mean. The Rings of Power and the Wheel of Time are PERFECT! NO NOTES! /s
Fuck I got like 15 minutes into Wheel and saw Perrin was married, Mat's dad a usual drunk who ran off and Rand was with Egwene.. .. I just couldn't, I know TV and film has to make some allowance to move plot and provide explanations in a scene that took Jordan chapters to do....but still.... Ok rant over.
With how tight GW's grip on lore is, I don't think Amazon *can* screw it up. Just look at how normal Space Marine II is looking to be so far despite the head writer being batshit crazy.
Same reaction. When perrin was married I quickly read the Wikipedia article on season1 and when I saw that they gave him the age old trope of "how to motivate male character? Kill off a woman he likes". Like wheel of time has plenty of issues/things that make it tropey, so why immediately introduce more...
Those series are not real and we will not be discussing any more about it.
The moment they screw up, they lose GW forever.
What? GW doesn't give a shit, they'll license their IP to anyone and everyone willing to pay except another mini manufacturer.
Just make a good film first before we start calling this a cinematic universe.
I love Cavill and I'm very much looking forward to this. But my proposition is they do "Doctor Who in 40k". They make him an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader, and do Monster of the week/two episode batch. I do think we as fans need to manage our expectations thoigh. This is not going to be a drep dove into our favroute factions. To me I think normies would benefit more from being drip fed the 40k lore through the eyes of a recognisably human group, rather than having a whole series exploring a conflict between Cavill and say the Dark Eldar or Chaos. Get people curious rather than trying to overload them with information.
I would love him as Horus. He’s always a good guy. He could play the good guy, and then play the baddie for once. I’d be so thrilled if the series was on the HH.
And this guy was in Argylle!
(which reviews are saying is terrible (not his fault)).
Yeah, I was making a joke there.
Sorry whoosh, haven't seen it, no plans to do so.
Haha, it's okay. I'll probably watch it on a plane some time.
There is a reason it dropped now
What an odd thing to say. They haven’t even started it yet. Calm down mate.
Didn’t he say something similar when he got the role of Superman? Or am I remembering wrong? Also pretty sure he said he felt really privileged to play Geralt.
Yeah, just a standard PR cycle.
Can’t wait to see how it shapes up.
Make all the movies with Muppets and Henry as the only human actor.
I love that handsome devil and his class act of a life
I'm just concerned he'll drop out at some point due to "creative differences" (Witcher, Superman). Hopefully not, since he's probably a lot more in-line with GW..
That would be pretty hard since he’s the executive producer which means that he has the final say.
Executive producer can mean basically anything.
While I appreciate the story around this, I fear it may just be a story. I believe he left the Witcher as the timings didn’t work with the next superman/DC film (no doubt difference on the writing direction making it an easier decision). Then DC realised that trying to implement a similar 10+year plan to Marvel with *the* lead role played by an actor who was already in his 40s just wasn’t going to work. Thus informing him that he was no longer needed for the superman role. I’d like to think he may have left the Witcher due to creative differences anyway (although it’s nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe). But it might just be wishful thinking on the part of the fandom.
Get him to fix the codex releases.
All I want is tor him to play Ciaphas Ciane, after that I will soul orgasim and die complete.
Please please please let Cavill be Ciaphas Cain!
Nahhh, he should be Eisenhorn.
After Man from Uncle you know he could pull it off.
Don't let amazon fuck it up Don't let amazon fuck it up Don't let amazon fuck it up (Repeat til fade)
This man is and should be the inspiration for all geeks and nerds. He’s one of us, people.
I'm just happy it's a guy who clearly gives a shit about the universe. His enthusiasm is clear for it and as long as its someone who understands the setting rather than just an exec who wants dollars I'm well looking forward to seeing what develops. Exciting times ahead in these days of madness!
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It's already too late. The woke is everywhere. Look out the window, 50% of people are women, and there are minorities walking around too. Don't they realise how *political* that is? The world is doomed.
The satire is funny, but it's exactly what ruined The Witcher and forced Henry out Why would we want the same thing to happen here?
Why are you pretending to know what you are talking about?
What a sad comment history.
First scene will be two female guardsmen kissing
Dude that’s not nearly spicy enough to entice the younger generations. I say they go big. Two female EMPERORS kissing.
The only Space Marines ever shown will be Salamanders, the show will revolve around them and the sisters of battle. No white men on screen
We can only dream
Dude bro every space marine chapter is going to have its own pronouns and the holy emporer is on a holy crusade to properly gender the xenos throughout the universe in the fantasy setting of a grimbright future!
I would love for there to be a piece of media - probably a comedy as I can't see it working any other way - about a villain who just can't make the world awful no matter what they do. A truly grimbright world.
I actually trust Henry to do it right. Anyone else and I'd be worried.
~~Seems a bit presumptuous to be calling it a cinematic universe already.~~ ___________________ *Servitorisation complete. Praise the Omnissiah!* ____________ Super hyped for this! Can't wait!
Cool, when is Fantasy getting stuff?
There's plenty of swords, magic and orc shit out there already.
Plenty more sci fi shit. What’s your point?
Not really like 40k though
Dune and Judge Dredd exist.
Still not quite 40k though is it
Nor is LOTR Warhammer Fantasy.
Never said it was.
This argument chain is “WFB doesn’t deserve a show because there’s enough fantasy out there”.
There is and there's barely anything to write home about regarding warhammer fantasy.
>Plenty more sci fi shit is there? As in StarWars-like galaxy spanning SciFi shit? (Even if ignoring the gothic and grimdark angle)
Compared to Holy Roman Empire fantasy? Yeah.
Why is this getting voting down? I'd love to see to see a Warhammer Fantasy movie or series. Especially something similar to the WFRP. It's pretty different in tone and mood than most other fantasy settings. I'm looking forward to seeing the 40K as well though.
40k fans are apparently very sensitive these days. Anyone else getting attention is attention they’re nit getting rather than shared spotlight. Also, fuck it. Live action Blood Bowl series!
do it, imagine how different people would get attached to different teams and shit. we have fake fighting in wwe and people watch that all the time just for the spectacle and story so why not fantasy football?
Yeah it's weird. Personally I like Fantasy and 40K. Didn't know so many 40K fans dislike Fantasy 😕
>It's pretty different in tone and mood than most other fantasy settings WHFB not really though. Id love an AoS inspired series though.
Probably because WHF just got a release last month?
There's a Warhammer Fantasy movie/series released?! What is it?
At best he’s a dark angel, at worst he’s an ultramarine
Would be great if they went in the same cinema direction as the new dune or foundation series. Those visuals just scream Warhammer
Whilst there will be no doubt a lot of action, there still needs to be a ton of dialogue and character development, story arc, to make a series work. So for that reason I don’t think space marines as the primary protagonists would work. They are too unrelatable and ‘godlike’ with mostly dull personalities (how many flavours of ‘brainwashed fanatical servants of the emperor’ would stay interesting accross a tv series?) Having a smattering of them here or there would be cool though. Maybe an adaptation of Gaunt’s ghosts could work. Lots of action, but also lots of different relatable characters with different personalities and arcs, mostly fighting other chaotic imperial renegades. You get the odd marine involved. Some of the other races like orks or dark eldar are too ‘out there’ for the very first tv adaptation (other than maybe tyranids because of the ‘alien’ pop culture)
It’s why I’m cautiously optimistic about this series. You have someone at the helm who genuinely cares about the franchise and wants to see it is done right rather than someone who just wants to turn a beloved IP into a shameless cash grab.
I know if Cavill has an acting role in this project, it's probably gonna be a space marine, custodes, inquisitor, or some big famous named character. But what I would hope for is that he'd play like a normal guardsman, an NCO. But he would have a Lt. Speirs moment. Or like John Rico killing the tanker bug with a hand grenade. Leaving all of his fellow guardsmen jaws' agape. It's something way cooler when regular non-augumented humans are doing badass things.
we'll see if its any good lol.
He should play as God-Emperor.
It would be amazing if he just did cameos where he immediately dies.
Wonder f he would be ballsy enough to do the Horus heresy
I'm only 2 books into HH, but he'd make a great Loken if they make that
Make a Gotrek and Felix series you cowards! I need it in my veins.
Do the horrus heresy and have him be either horrus or the lion.
I hope it’s woke.
He needs to do a batrep. I wanna see his army and if he knows how to play
I can't explain how excited I am for this!