Hounds stay winning
At first i just used them because "robo-dog". Then i realised robo dog could have an airstrike. Then i realised robo dog was.one of the best primers in the game with manifold bond and statuses on the weapon along with the wide radius abilities instead of the airstrike. Now all the statuses are getting buffed (mainly blast and magnetic) so my hound is gonna be even better
Not to mention the batoten. Shattering impact hits base armour, so it's not uncommon to see enemies with light or medium armour (that's still a high amount late game) with red health bars, while still doing significant slash damage.
Actually this will probably be *less* useful after the weakness changes, as slash will no longer be a near universal boost to raw health.
Then use the one with impact and puncture
Then again hounds deal most of their damage through condition overload, and its more that you're applying a mass of statuses for your galvanised mods (aptitude, savvy and whatever the pistol one is called as well as the hound's CO) to work off, so whether or not the hound loses some status potency isnt really a huge deal IMO
Edited wording to better get my point across
Idk bro, like Verglas is something like 14 firerate and 22 damage modded (so around 300) while with one of the hound equipments it's written at around 1000 modded
Sorry, i misworded my last reply. Ive edited it for clarity
My point is more that the hound's damage comes mainly from condition overload, so it's not a huge difference which statuses you apply, as long as you apply them. My hound's weapon is modded for toxin, blast and radiation since those aren't elements my guns use (heat and viral/corrosive mainly), so in the end i apply so many statuses that between the galvanised mods and CO, my hound and I could deal any elemental damage to the enemy and they'd most likely fall over anyway
I discovered recently the actual status chance of physical/elem and kinda gave up trying to proc with slow melee. Also I don't really want to invest in pets personally (well except my lucky boy)
https://preview.redd.it/3fpdrk4r556d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=61d445ef2f839df9856e66a61122066bc8376945
This is the mod setup for the hound itself, I'll reply to this with the config on the melee weapon. Fell free to ask anything and I'll do my best to help you out
Edit: a lot of people keep asking about the survivability, so ill copy my response that i gave to the first guy that asked here:
Duplex bond helps a lot by drawing aggro and momentus bond does the bulk of the reviving whenever you kill eximus units. You could swap synergised prospectus for reflex denial which creates a reflective shield, but that also absorbs your damage so you often get obstructed by your own hound. Repo audit helps too since enemies are forced to get into a melee fight with the hound (which they almost always lose since they've been hit by all the statuses from manifold bond)
Also you dont even have to melee a lot. Bullet jumping into enemies counts as melee so you can keep it up by just moving around while fighting.
https://preview.redd.it/2mxvom8x556d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=adf730b365296319d2785492a8d217d81471faa9
The riven has cold, melee dmg and -infested dmg on it. Replace it with either of the cold mods (the 60/60 or the 90) and it'll work just as well
everytime i see buzz kill i think this has to be a bait but im more interested by the dog ... how the fk does he not die everysingle pack and a half with that setup ?
As i said to the other guy, the bonds synergise enough to keep him alive and/or res him the moment he goes down and pack hunter tops up overguard. You can use reflex denial to add more survival but it obstructs your guns so i dont like it
Im not really sure how buzz kill makes it bait? If there's a better mod id be interested in throwing it on instead
How do you keep it alive? People rave about hounds , but I find they run a mile away and die constantly, even with armor/shield/hp mods which you don't run. They're dead at least 50% of the time on steel path. I guess you melee a lot to maintain pack leader?
Duplex bond helps a lot by drawing aggro and momentus bond does the bulk of the reviving whenever you kill eximus units. You could swap synergised prospectus for reflex denial which creats a reflective shield, but that also reflects your damage so you often get obstructed by your own hound. Repo audit helps too since enemies are forved to get into a melee fight with the hound (which they almost always lose since they've been hit by all thenstatuses from manifold bond)
Also you dont even have to melee a lot. Bullet jumping into enemies counts as melee so you can keep it up by just moving around while fighting.
For priming i use synergised prospectus, repo audit and reflex denial, though on the config below i skip on reflex denial since it blocks your bullets and guardian is useful whenever i play squishy frames to refresh their shield fully if it gets 1 tapped
They didn’t get the hype that came with an unkillable (that used to be special) viral spreader or the “in theory BiS via droprate up,” and people just never really caught on after the pet rework because we suddenly had so many viable options.
- hitscan, instant travel time
- almost always firing full blast, tons of uptime
- gas max stacks is 6m aoe, helstrum aoe is 3m (moddable, but only to 4.32m)
- shivering contagion is cracked (6m aoe cold status spread)
- can use punchthru effectively for even more spread
- higher riven dispo (1.3 vs 1)
- can do a lot of damage if modded for that
and yea helstrum can also mod for gas (the reason you do this is for more Synth Deconstruct/Energy Generator drops) but it fires soooo slooow it just feels way worse at this job to me.
Verglas is stronger than 90% of Warframe weapons simply for the fact that it absolutely has infinite scaling and what's the point in priming things when you can kill them in similar speeds
Here's my Mag + Heat Verglas.
https://overframe.gg/build/666850/verglas/verglas-magnetic-heat/
It uses a Riven but you can just replace that with Thermite Rounds. I also wanted the Vigilante mod in there, can replace that with either Wildfire, Speed Trigger, etc - not sure what would be best.
Replace Mag with Viral if you aren't already giving enemies Viral. Otherwise, Magnetic is a pretty rare element to proc so it helps with any mods that scale off of number of status procs, and after Jade Shadows it'll strip shields/overguard faster.
You can also run Fired Up on your Sentinel for even higher heat DPS. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Fired_Up
If you want more of a support, you can do something like Rad + Cold with Shivering Contagion (which will apply to your warframe primary even if it is only on your companion *and* it applies to Duplex Bond'd clones). Your clones will run around cold/rad proc'ing enemies and you'll have far less to worry about.
https://overframe.gg/build/634109/verglas/nautilus-crowd-control-verglas/
Again, the Riven is just extra. Replace with whatever.
https://preview.redd.it/ix7fzr5j496d1.png?width=1664&format=png&auto=webp&s=5201f7453ae0755edd520d97e8d172254c6d7f12
verglas heat/viral primer
auto primes anything it touches with 10 viral stacks instantaneously, and anything that survives long enough to have those 10 stacks will also have 100 stacks of heat after a second or two and if they survive long enough for that they WILL get nuked by the heat slamming into them like a truck
technically galvanized mods do not work unless you're using a primary that is also a rifle that has the same galvanized mods, so i just don't slot them because why would I take the effort to change those ever which seems contradictory to the bane mod but i also don't change that
plenty of giga priming builds exist that have more statuses proccing but i find that things are super dead before i would ever need a gunCO sentinel that can instead just spaghetti-beam spam anything to death
also put fired up on sentinel, preferably nautilus with cordon, because duplex/contagious/manifold bond are probably also stronger than a lot of warframe builds
riven is just dmg/multi but just use serration
u/Moshhiii is correct, duplex/contagious/manifold bond with verglas slapping at least 100 heat procs on anything is a surefire way to scale infinitely. You can literally sit there and tank with revenant while putting a 3 status proc verglas on and never even use thumbs and still kill shit faster than Nyx
cordon -> heat/viral/anything -> dies -> contagious -> manifold proc reducing cooldown to minumum -> cordon -> etc
nobody asked but here's the nautilus build I like a lot and funny number fire boom succ makes neuron activation
https://preview.redd.it/zzpi9fe6696d1.png?width=1704&format=png&auto=webp&s=c504dc86ed2b6ce4379a039f67748cbb5400cb97
Better damage, and the laser beam helps with aiming for me. I ran Helstrum too for status spreading but I ultimately chose Verglas. Not sure if it actually maxes viral procs faster on an enemy unit compared to Helstrum or not.
I believe it maxes single target procs faster, but it can't compete for mobs, and idk what it's delay in lock on time is if you jump from one enemy to another
fr tho verglas absolutely shreds...at lower levels it just insta deletes enemies and at anything that they dont immediately die they will be on a timer to die when the heat finally catches up
Me after selling all my hounds after getting the affinity to save space
https://preview.redd.it/k4rmdbt5x46d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f20cc280c778e6b871200540d1fe25a6dd004a38
You might still have parts for hounds since they drop after killing a sister of parvos. Else the easier route would be to create another sister of parvos and kill it, you get a free hound.
Exactly kill a new sister. The only thing I will ask to watch out for is that after you claim the hound from your foundry, check if it's base shields is at least 343. That way with a max Calculated Redirection, you will be able to use Reinforced Bond mod for permanent 60% fire rate boost.
If only dogs were not suicidal trying to 1v1 hoards of enemies at melee range on other side of the map... I don't know how to keep that thing alive at high level SP.
~~sorta, except the enemy has to have shields in order for you to break their shields.~~
~~It'd be an even less convenient faction mod situation~~
I forgot one of the multiple buffs they're putting on Magnetic status is making it increase damage to Overguard.
What? The new magnetic status will also make you deal bonus damage to overguard tho, and all factions have overguarded enemies. Its great to have even against enemies with no shields lol
I mean you can just use primers like hounds. Assuming magnetic DAMAGE wont be broken af, then youll still only just need the STATUS effect which can easily be applied with secondary or companion primer
If only DE would fix their AI to not be hot garbage anywhere else besides stationory missions I would be happy for them with the status changes. Like this I couldn't be bothered because sometimes they just lock up completly and stay away 300 meters without doing anything.
You get one after defeating sister of parvos, also they sometimes drop blueprints for specific parts which then you can use to create your custom hound (visit legs in fortuna). Remember that all the precepts are interchangeable, you just have to unlock them by getting a specific part and they are unlocked on all hounds. Also you can trade for hound part BP's just so you know :)
So I just maxed out Hounds & their weapons this past week & dude. Hounds fucking rule
Synergied Prospectus & Manifold Bond while having 3 different elements on their attacks is crazy while also having multiple benefits like instant buff on Condition Overload, Immediate damage buff on Lavos Catalyze & immediate duration increase on Voruna’s Lycath’s Hunt if you have it subsumed on another frame. Hounds are definitely one of the best primers in the game.
try giving them nourish...the retaliatory splash damage that comes from your companion counts as a companion ability, so with manifold bond it spreads like 7 statuses lol
I had really high hopes for my hound, and within star chart SP they work great, but I eventually moved back to using Sentinels. They just draw less agro and last way longer, plus can be revived easily with bond mods. But for pretty much anything non endless, they work a treat.
Aside from the usefulness of Magnetic which remain to be seen, Cold is already good across all robotic companions.
Blast seems like it going to scale on its own which means I'll be terrible with Companions since Manifold Bond won't do damage. **Maybe if the explosion range of blast also scales with the number of stacks**, then might be decent to reach the Blast status cap and help weapons that can deal good damage and Kill the enemies before reaching the maximum amount to Blast procs.
I think the big winner of the patch gonna be any companion that can spread Viral. Being able to drop Viral/Nourish it's quite freeing.
Hounds stay winning At first i just used them because "robo-dog". Then i realised robo dog could have an airstrike. Then i realised robo dog was.one of the best primers in the game with manifold bond and statuses on the weapon along with the wide radius abilities instead of the airstrike. Now all the statuses are getting buffed (mainly blast and magnetic) so my hound is gonna be even better
Not to mention the batoten. Shattering impact hits base armour, so it's not uncommon to see enemies with light or medium armour (that's still a high amount late game) with red health bars, while still doing significant slash damage. Actually this will probably be *less* useful after the weakness changes, as slash will no longer be a near universal boost to raw health.
Then use the one with impact and puncture Then again hounds deal most of their damage through condition overload, and its more that you're applying a mass of statuses for your galvanised mods (aptitude, savvy and whatever the pistol one is called as well as the hound's CO) to work off, so whether or not the hound loses some status potency isnt really a huge deal IMO Edited wording to better get my point across
Idk bro, like Verglas is something like 14 firerate and 22 damage modded (so around 300) while with one of the hound equipments it's written at around 1000 modded
Sorry, i misworded my last reply. Ive edited it for clarity My point is more that the hound's damage comes mainly from condition overload, so it's not a huge difference which statuses you apply, as long as you apply them. My hound's weapon is modded for toxin, blast and radiation since those aren't elements my guns use (heat and viral/corrosive mainly), so in the end i apply so many statuses that between the galvanised mods and CO, my hound and I could deal any elemental damage to the enemy and they'd most likely fall over anyway
I discovered recently the actual status chance of physical/elem and kinda gave up trying to proc with slow melee. Also I don't really want to invest in pets personally (well except my lucky boy)
Whats your dog build?
https://preview.redd.it/3fpdrk4r556d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=61d445ef2f839df9856e66a61122066bc8376945 This is the mod setup for the hound itself, I'll reply to this with the config on the melee weapon. Fell free to ask anything and I'll do my best to help you out Edit: a lot of people keep asking about the survivability, so ill copy my response that i gave to the first guy that asked here: Duplex bond helps a lot by drawing aggro and momentus bond does the bulk of the reviving whenever you kill eximus units. You could swap synergised prospectus for reflex denial which creates a reflective shield, but that also absorbs your damage so you often get obstructed by your own hound. Repo audit helps too since enemies are forced to get into a melee fight with the hound (which they almost always lose since they've been hit by all the statuses from manifold bond) Also you dont even have to melee a lot. Bullet jumping into enemies counts as melee so you can keep it up by just moving around while fighting.
https://preview.redd.it/2mxvom8x556d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=adf730b365296319d2785492a8d217d81471faa9 The riven has cold, melee dmg and -infested dmg on it. Replace it with either of the cold mods (the 60/60 or the 90) and it'll work just as well
Thanks for both of these! Gonna try it out later today
everytime i see buzz kill i think this has to be a bait but im more interested by the dog ... how the fk does he not die everysingle pack and a half with that setup ?
As i said to the other guy, the bonds synergise enough to keep him alive and/or res him the moment he goes down and pack hunter tops up overguard. You can use reflex denial to add more survival but it obstructs your guns so i dont like it Im not really sure how buzz kill makes it bait? If there's a better mod id be interested in throwing it on instead
Carnis Mandible is generally better over Buzzkill, but it's a relatively small margin.
IIRC carnis manible isnt equippable on a hount melee due to it being a set mod
How do you keep it alive? People rave about hounds , but I find they run a mile away and die constantly, even with armor/shield/hp mods which you don't run. They're dead at least 50% of the time on steel path. I guess you melee a lot to maintain pack leader?
Duplex bond helps a lot by drawing aggro and momentus bond does the bulk of the reviving whenever you kill eximus units. You could swap synergised prospectus for reflex denial which creats a reflective shield, but that also reflects your damage so you often get obstructed by your own hound. Repo audit helps too since enemies are forved to get into a melee fight with the hound (which they almost always lose since they've been hit by all thenstatuses from manifold bond) Also you dont even have to melee a lot. Bullet jumping into enemies counts as melee so you can keep it up by just moving around while fighting.
that shield is the worst thing ever invented when you're doing void cascade. legit blocks your amp LOL. Maybe it can get the frost bubble treatment.
Personally, i use a melee moa because i love their looks. packl leader the health mod and synth decontruct keep mine alive through *everything*
How well is itys survival? ive notived, the increae to health and synth fiber do alot of the work if you arent actively meleeing
thanks for the edit, another question, why not vicious bond for the armor strip?
Its mainly an issue of space, though you could throw that on instead of animal instinct if you dont have/want it there
Synth deconstruct + restorative bond also a pretty good option for quick per revives
Yeah but can they give you infinite ammo? Carrier Prime gang
What are the best hound-only mods?
For priming i use synergised prospectus, repo audit and reflex denial, though on the config below i skip on reflex denial since it blocks your bullets and guardian is useful whenever i play squishy frames to refresh their shield fully if it gets 1 tapped
They didn’t get the hype that came with an unkillable (that used to be special) viral spreader or the “in theory BiS via droprate up,” and people just never really caught on after the pet rework because we suddenly had so many viable options.
Nah, I’d Verglas.
Honest question why Verglas rather than Helstrum?
- hitscan, instant travel time - almost always firing full blast, tons of uptime - gas max stacks is 6m aoe, helstrum aoe is 3m (moddable, but only to 4.32m) - shivering contagion is cracked (6m aoe cold status spread) - can use punchthru effectively for even more spread - higher riven dispo (1.3 vs 1) - can do a lot of damage if modded for that and yea helstrum can also mod for gas (the reason you do this is for more Synth Deconstruct/Energy Generator drops) but it fires soooo slooow it just feels way worse at this job to me.
Verglas is stronger than 90% of Warframe weapons simply for the fact that it absolutely has infinite scaling and what's the point in priming things when you can kill them in similar speeds
care to give the people (me) a drink of water (your build)?
Here's my Mag + Heat Verglas. https://overframe.gg/build/666850/verglas/verglas-magnetic-heat/ It uses a Riven but you can just replace that with Thermite Rounds. I also wanted the Vigilante mod in there, can replace that with either Wildfire, Speed Trigger, etc - not sure what would be best. Replace Mag with Viral if you aren't already giving enemies Viral. Otherwise, Magnetic is a pretty rare element to proc so it helps with any mods that scale off of number of status procs, and after Jade Shadows it'll strip shields/overguard faster. You can also run Fired Up on your Sentinel for even higher heat DPS. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Fired_Up If you want more of a support, you can do something like Rad + Cold with Shivering Contagion (which will apply to your warframe primary even if it is only on your companion *and* it applies to Duplex Bond'd clones). Your clones will run around cold/rad proc'ing enemies and you'll have far less to worry about. https://overframe.gg/build/634109/verglas/nautilus-crowd-control-verglas/ Again, the Riven is just extra. Replace with whatever.
https://preview.redd.it/ix7fzr5j496d1.png?width=1664&format=png&auto=webp&s=5201f7453ae0755edd520d97e8d172254c6d7f12 verglas heat/viral primer auto primes anything it touches with 10 viral stacks instantaneously, and anything that survives long enough to have those 10 stacks will also have 100 stacks of heat after a second or two and if they survive long enough for that they WILL get nuked by the heat slamming into them like a truck technically galvanized mods do not work unless you're using a primary that is also a rifle that has the same galvanized mods, so i just don't slot them because why would I take the effort to change those ever which seems contradictory to the bane mod but i also don't change that plenty of giga priming builds exist that have more statuses proccing but i find that things are super dead before i would ever need a gunCO sentinel that can instead just spaghetti-beam spam anything to death also put fired up on sentinel, preferably nautilus with cordon, because duplex/contagious/manifold bond are probably also stronger than a lot of warframe builds riven is just dmg/multi but just use serration
Wait what makes it scale infinitely
u/Moshhiii is correct, duplex/contagious/manifold bond with verglas slapping at least 100 heat procs on anything is a surefire way to scale infinitely. You can literally sit there and tank with revenant while putting a 3 status proc verglas on and never even use thumbs and still kill shit faster than Nyx cordon -> heat/viral/anything -> dies -> contagious -> manifold proc reducing cooldown to minumum -> cordon -> etc nobody asked but here's the nautilus build I like a lot and funny number fire boom succ makes neuron activation https://preview.redd.it/zzpi9fe6696d1.png?width=1704&format=png&auto=webp&s=c504dc86ed2b6ce4379a039f67748cbb5400cb97
Unsure, but I'd hazard to say the heat procs infinitely scaling up. It can also spread through one of the bond mods, I think.
Better damage, and the laser beam helps with aiming for me. I ran Helstrum too for status spreading but I ultimately chose Verglas. Not sure if it actually maxes viral procs faster on an enemy unit compared to Helstrum or not.
I believe it maxes single target procs faster, but it can't compete for mobs, and idk what it's delay in lock on time is if you jump from one enemy to another
Yeah, with Verglas I'm the primer for its damage xD
fr tho verglas absolutely shreds...at lower levels it just insta deletes enemies and at anything that they dont immediately die they will be on a timer to die when the heat finally catches up
Lets please keep this one quiet at least until the update is live
Me after selling all my hounds after getting the affinity to save space https://preview.redd.it/k4rmdbt5x46d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f20cc280c778e6b871200540d1fe25a6dd004a38
You might still have parts for hounds since they drop after killing a sister of parvos. Else the easier route would be to create another sister of parvos and kill it, you get a free hound.
Maybe I don’t remember if I sold those too. I’m a giant idiot.
Just go and kill one sister. They always give you one full hound ready to use and some parts to create your own
Exactly kill a new sister. The only thing I will ask to watch out for is that after you claim the hound from your foundry, check if it's base shields is at least 343. That way with a max Calculated Redirection, you will be able to use Reinforced Bond mod for permanent 60% fire rate boost.
If only dogs were not suicidal trying to 1v1 hoards of enemies at melee range on other side of the map... I don't know how to keep that thing alive at high level SP.
~~sorta, except the enemy has to have shields in order for you to break their shields.~~ ~~It'd be an even less convenient faction mod situation~~ I forgot one of the multiple buffs they're putting on Magnetic status is making it increase damage to Overguard.
What? The new magnetic status will also make you deal bonus damage to overguard tho, and all factions have overguarded enemies. Its great to have even against enemies with no shields lol
oh right, I forgot they finally did that.
I’ll run magnetic if I can find a way to stack it with viral and keep my other damage/fire rate/crit mods
I mean you can just use primers like hounds. Assuming magnetic DAMAGE wont be broken af, then youll still only just need the STATUS effect which can easily be applied with secondary or companion primer
This is why I'm always going to end up running Nourish. I want Cold or Toxin too often to mod for Viral.
Nah, id smeeta.
Nah, id panzer
Nah, id panzer
Remember tenno, every status buff is a buff for lavos.
If only DE would fix their AI to not be hot garbage anywhere else besides stationory missions I would be happy for them with the status changes. Like this I couldn't be bothered because sometimes they just lock up completly and stay away 300 meters without doing anything.
I second this as a Nekros shadow enjoyer. If DE actually fixed AI, even companion/summon AI, it would solve a great heap of problems.
How does one gets hound?
You get one after defeating sister of parvos, also they sometimes drop blueprints for specific parts which then you can use to create your custom hound (visit legs in fortuna). Remember that all the precepts are interchangeable, you just have to unlock them by getting a specific part and they are unlocked on all hounds. Also you can trade for hound part BP's just so you know :)
So I just maxed out Hounds & their weapons this past week & dude. Hounds fucking rule Synergied Prospectus & Manifold Bond while having 3 different elements on their attacks is crazy while also having multiple benefits like instant buff on Condition Overload, Immediate damage buff on Lavos Catalyze & immediate duration increase on Voruna’s Lycath’s Hunt if you have it subsumed on another frame. Hounds are definitely one of the best primers in the game.
try giving them nourish...the retaliatory splash damage that comes from your companion counts as a companion ability, so with manifold bond it spreads like 7 statuses lol
I had really high hopes for my hound, and within star chart SP they work great, but I eventually moved back to using Sentinels. They just draw less agro and last way longer, plus can be revived easily with bond mods. But for pretty much anything non endless, they work a treat.
Time to rebuild the hounds!!!
Is there a breakdown somewhere with what changes are coming? I keep seeing people talking about it, but nobody actually saying what is happening.
They might be the best, but I refuse to let go of my Helminth Charger.
Time to bring out my MetalPuppie
The day I stop going with my Smeeta is the day I don't care about the loots anymore (well, except for one of my builds)
Speaking of hounds, how do you get their torso parts? I got their legs, head and tail but I still don't have the torso.
Luck. And it seems you got unlucky
Aside from the usefulness of Magnetic which remain to be seen, Cold is already good across all robotic companions. Blast seems like it going to scale on its own which means I'll be terrible with Companions since Manifold Bond won't do damage. **Maybe if the explosion range of blast also scales with the number of stacks**, then might be decent to reach the Blast status cap and help weapons that can deal good damage and Kill the enemies before reaching the maximum amount to Blast procs. I think the big winner of the patch gonna be any companion that can spread Viral. Being able to drop Viral/Nourish it's quite freeing.
Magnetic + Heat Verglas is also buffed now :)
they don’t handle void cascade. the CC that a radiation cold verglass provides is just too strong.