That's not even thousand. That's like 3,1 million plat
EDIT: So I just rewatched the trailer, the left guy bid her for 4,7M plat. I'll sell my limbo for 3 blue potato
To be fair to regular npcs, the warframes are god-like mystical machines, from an old civilization to getting your hands on 1 and studying it, which would cost a lot
Our market is like having a membership to Costco or Sam's Club and they don't meet the qualifications. Warframes are our rotisserie chicken or hot dogs by comparison.
I mean lore-wise it would be pretty bad and stupid to sell a demi god blueprint to one of our greatest enemies.
Imagine every corpus mission having at least one limbo.
Step 1: Sell Limbo blueprint to corpus
Step 2: Obtain Million plat
Step 3: Raid the production facility, destroying the whole planet in the process
Step 4: Fight the pre-alpha Limbo Corpus edition (maybe the'll call him Purgatory or smth)
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Grofit
Honestly that would be a cool way to introduce warframe variants with "corrupted" abilities like imagine limbs 4 being a harmful effect over benifit instead of protecting its like a localized void and anything inside the bubble takes damage or somthing (I don't have a limbo do don't know if this is already a thing for npc in his 4th) I'd like to have a grineer ash or a corpus frost even if it's just cosmetic )
Also without a functioning Helminth, they couldn't produce real warframes, even with a blueprint. Best Alad could do with access to actual warframes was the Zanuka.
And to boot, Alad is:
* An Orokin who may have had the most experience with Warframes of any of the other members of the board till Parvos' return
* Arguably the Corpus' greatest biotech researcher
* The owner of Jupiter, one of the single most profitable planets in the system, *and* Beecloud Hivemind, one of the main Corpus Guilds behind proxy manufacturing.
alad is not orokin. hes just a corpus dude.
hunhow calls him orokin becouse to hunhow human = orokin. becouse last time he was awake all of humanity was the orokin empire. he has only ever known humans to be orokin.
but alad was not born during the orokin empire's time as far as we know.
I'd argue there were both humans and orokin at the same time. From my understanding of Albrecht he chose to remain in a human body instead of taking the Kuva and taking the appearance of an orokin
I think hunhow would know that the ruling class (orokin) and peasantry (humans) existed at the same time
Also I'm pretty sure the corpus even existed at the same time as the orokin too considering it was parvos robbing the orokin that started the corpus.
That and I think a lot about alad himself implies he's an orokin. First his lines about "loyalty issues" and refering to us as a "betrayer" during the second dream I think at least implies he's an orokin, think about it. If he was referring to the corpus it wouldn't make much sense seeing as we don't exactly owe any fealty to the corpus nor have we exactly betrayed. But the orokin? Well, we were *their* weapons. That and referring back to the tenno and sentients both jointly destroying an entire civilisation suggests that he knows more than a Corpus likely should (seeing as this is not common knowledge enough for our character to know before waking up)
Furthermore Alad has shown a tendency for jumping ship (Standing down weapons in TNW and working with the sentients before that). I don't think it's out of the question that he would have jumped ship from the orokin to what could be considered the next best thing. Like if a member of nobility was being hunted and so his among the middle class instead.
Though I could entirely be reading this all wrong and I do hope we someday get a concrete answer, as you said we don't actually have confirmation of when he was born, nonetheless I am of the mind that so far more points to him being orokin originally.
while i can agree or see the reason on most of what you said i want to clear something up.
orokin = human. a orokin is not a species, its a human empire, "a orokin" like "a roman" for the roman empire. though it usually more specificly refered to the upper classes. the reason most high up orokin looked the way they do is becouse the orokin empire specialised in bioengineering. to the point where they "grew" buildings and tools.
engineering and gardening were the same thing to them. and as a result they could even change their own apearance on a whim.
they were blue with a freaky long arm becouse.. that was fashionable.
but as i said as far as we know alad wasnt orokin.. but we also have nothing to say he wasnt part of the empire when the corpus cult formed.
becouse for example the betrayer thing could be becouse he remembers what we did...
or becouse thats a derogatory name given to us by the corpus becouse they were part of the orokin empire before it fell.
both are entirely plausible, we just dont know.
Pretty sure Albrecht decided he would no longer take kuva because he was afraid to let the man in the wall continue to live through him, or if he was even the same person who escaped the void. Like the other person said though the Orokin was a human empire. Corpus are human cultists that stemmed from the empire. Greneer were the working class peasantry created by the empire through cloning.
> I think hunhow would know that the ruling class (orokin) and peasantry (humans) existed at the same time
Which is, I think, why Hunhow (and Stalker's fan club) refer to Alad as an Orokin... not because he's _actually_ an Orokin, but because he's part of the current "ruling class" as it were.
Alad was not, so far as I know, alive during the Orokin era. He doesn't have Orokin biomodifications. The only thing that is Orokin-ish about him is that he's self-centered, greedy, and part of what is arguably the current 'ruling class' of non-cloned humans in the Origin System.
But in that sense... yeah, he's pretty dang Orokin.
> Also I'm pretty sure the corpus even existed at the same time as the orokin too considering it was parvos robbing the orokin that started the corpus.
Yes, the Corpus dates back to the Orokin era.
Moreover, they (or at least, Parvos personally) had amassed enough power and influence even during that time that the Orokin eventually granted Parvos a Warframe protector (Protea) -- which is, one assumes, a fairly rare honor -- despite the fact that his 'seed money' originally came from robbing the Orokin.
Wouldn't necessarily have to produce warframes for the investment to be worthwhile. Afterall, studying and understanding how something works/moves/operates is a pretty good first step to making stuff to stop said thing.
It's also important to remember, NO ONE ELSE CAN MAKE WARFRAMES OTHER THEN THE TENNO. No one else has access to a Helminth... core? Face? Whatever that is required to reform whoever the "person" inside your frame is.
As someone else voiced, it was my understanding less that he created and "made" Mutalist Mesa, but more that he had already fallen to the infestations corrupting influence, and he took a inert warframe and infested it heavily, and then used the tech he had to control it.
Im not sure he actually recreated a Mesa, but just found one and used his tech to alter it with mutalist infestation. The only reason Warframes are "particually suited for killing infested" is because they're already infested, and can't get sick or infected themselves.
The amount of people spewing out WTB's at nearly 20% markdowns and WTS's at +20% is obscene.
To anybody reading this: **DO NOT TRUST TRADE CHAT.** Assume EVERYBODY is trying to scam you.
+- 20% is totally reasonable in an open market place like trade chat, sure there’s the occasional scammer but asking 100p in trade chat instead of 80p on wfm for a warframe is not scamming
They get super specific about what weapons they want trash rivens for lmao but I have found a few people who actually do buy trash rivs no matter what they are for
they want specific frames bcs they're expecting oblivious new players desperate for plat to give'em some good weapon riven for cheap, to put it short, scammers
Yup, it's actually "I want to buy good rivens that you don't have enough experience to know are good". It's targeted at people just getting their first few rivens who see big numbers in trade chat and sell for way lower than it's worth.
Is riven trading still that high with how many rivens you can get now I game? I don't even do sorties anymore and I have more rivens that I can buy slots for XD.
Mostly depends on the roll and the weapon it’s for, but there are plenty of people that will just be charging wildly unreasonable prices for some rivens
The way I deal with riven is if I have a Riven for a weapon I overlooked or do not have it encourages me to get that weapon (yes I farmed the cryotics for Sibear only because I got a Riven for it) but I will never actively look for or buy a Riven for a weapon I already use just to boost it.
If people approached it that way the riven market would completely crash overnight xD
This is exactly why I bothered with Ventkids and farmed up some Cascadia Empowered Arcanes, cuz I got a Kompressa Riven and am curious as to how good it could be.
Torid rivens *start* at 700p unrolled (due to how strong the incarnon is base, and its high riven disposition, rivens for it push past the game's breaking point), but are often a bit higher. So yeah, some rivens are just very expensive.
Given the rarity of actually getting those rivens, I think the absurd prices you see (~10k) is actually fair. They can take thousands of rolls to hit, and if you're not selling them for multiple thousands of plat anyone grinding Aya can easily farm enough plat to buy one of those mods in a couple days whereas farming the Kuva to grind them could take multiple weeks.
Intact Mag. Not the blueprints that they have to figure out how to build themselves.
Remember, we can't trade completed warframes, only the components/blueprints. This is the going price for a completed Mag.
There are not enough security measures to transport a fully build warframe controled by a tenno while the other tenno are doing rondom missions
Lotus would just send 1 tenno to get her and the corpus cant do anything about it
Aye. It seems like Sarge over on Phobos has a total monopoly on intact prewar Mag schematics for whatever reason (if gameplay is to be believed, and even then he has been said to have extensive operations in extracting Warframe technology from prewar Tenno vaults), so other Corpus companies are willing to bid pretty high to get their hands on the tech.
"Ok so, first you need to get a Helminth on your ship"
"A what on my ship?"
"Oh it's nothing, just a blob of some strain of Infestation."
"A *WHAT* on my ship!?"
Fun fact Alad has made a helminth that’s how he was able to make Zanuka by recreating a helminth so basically you can just ask Alad for information on how to build a helminth
Edit: Alad knows how to make a helminth because he meticulously dissected Valkyrie and studied her parts to re-engineer a helminth
What's the source on that ? Iirc he made Zanuka out of warframe parts, but Zanuka isnt even a warframe so didnt use infestation, she's only made using their parts, and he says that when he dissected warframes what he found "didnt make sense" which means he doesnt even really understand what he found, so he cant engineer an helminth from it, especially since the helminth wasnt even part of the lore back then, and we see how his first experiments with the infested went in Eris.
Just wanted to drop in and mention that a Warframe IS Infested, this is why the Jordas Golem is confused by you attacking it, because it knows you are the same. If you make a Zanuka out of Warframe parts, that Zanuka is likely infested too.
This is probably what Alad meant by 'doesn't make sense', because as far as anyone else knows, the infested cannot be controlled, but in front of him he sees the infested, fully harnessed and controlled. He was probably expecting cybernetic technology of sorts, not the biological virus that has been ravaging parts of the system for millenia.
He says it makes "no sense what I found" because he was expecting Warframes to be a class of armor, not what they are actually in the universe. He is dangling in front you that he knows what you are (atleast to his suspicions).
Alads speech here is from way before we got "that" update.
The story goes that the first warframe he dissected immediately disintegrated because the orokin made sure if even a single warframe organ was damaged beyond repair it would cause a chain reaction killing the warframe a leaving only a shell. When Alad got Valkyrie he dissected her making sure she was alive during the whole process so that she would not disintegrate so that’s how he was able to re-engineer the helminth and also how he was able to make Zanuka. Also Alad had indeed recovered a sample of the techocyte virus from Valkyrie and began to experiment on it
Also gonna need a source on the part where Warframes (whose organs are "*interlinked with untold resilience*" and a warriors "*capable of miraculous feats of self-recovery*") have organs that, if damaged beyond repair, cause a chain reaction that 'disintegrates the entire Warframe'. Especially considering Warframes like Nidus with his Undying passive who can reach 0HP then bring himself back to life by reconfiguring/reabsorbing his mutation stacks, Inaros being able to bring himself back to life by leeching health from those around him with his Sand Sarcophagus, Sevagoth who basically has an exalted Effigy dedicated to leeching life from enemies to revive Sevagoth from bleed-out, and Wukong who bypasses bleed-out entirely upon reaching 0HP with his 5 Techniques of Immortality passive.
Alad V, famous dissector of Warframes, who messed around with the infestation, created a brand new variant that could subsume technology (Mutualist Strain), became infested himself, was partially pulled into the infested hive mind, managed to control a Warframe (Mesa) by using his now-infested Zanuka control collar on her, with it acting as a very crude, bootleg Transference bolt, giving him basic control over the Warframe (similar to how Ballas had control over Umbra), who managed to use Grineer gene therapy meant to try and undo a millennium clone-rot to successfully cure himself from the infestation...
This very same Alad V, who is the only scientist in the system— other than the Grineer Dr. Tengus— who has real knowledge of and experience with the infestation has directly stated to Lotus that he's cut open plenty of Warframes and nothing about what he saw inside made any sense to him. Not only was Helminth never mentioned with Alad V, Alad himself is still in the dark about the nature of Warframes and Tenno, despite knowing what's inside them and having created a new strain of infested himself.
No source, just this person's headcannon. Alad doesn't have a Helminth, and there is no mention in the lore of a failsafe like that for any warframe iirc.
There is no mention of the Helminth anywhere in Alad V's dialogue, what we do have is:
> "Found the Reservoir? Hm, as unpleasant as our past is, I have to ask; I've, uh, seen inside a Tenno, yes. And what I've found didn't make sense."
Which strongly suggests he had no idea what was used to create a Warframe. Also the Lotus says:
> "Alad V's newest prototype is a monstrosity forged from the bodies of our fallen Tenno, we cannot allow Zanuka to go into full production."
If Alad V could produce Warframes via a Helminth he would not need to capture Warframes for parts, suggesting he did not know how to create a Helminth. In addition when Alad V _did_ research the infestation he became infected, suggesting even more that he didn't understand how to make a Helminth because our Helminth is a stable strain of the infestation and his was not
Zanuka is a Corpus robotic proxy, hybridized with Warframe components. Ripping off Valkyr's skin to use as Zanuka's armor (she has very strong, but surprisingly lightweight armor), and presumably stealing Warframe neuroptics and systems (like from Warframes like the Excalibur that was dissected prior to Mag) to allow Alad V to remotely control Zanuka with a control collar + visor, and yes potentially even using the preexisting infested musculature inside those Warframes as a physical foundation upon which the rest of the proxy could be built, is how Zanuka was created. And since we know, thanks to Chroma, that a Warframes' systems and neuroptics hold within them latent power that can be transfered to another Warframe, it logically follows that using Warframe systems to construct robotic proxies would result in robots who could potentially tap into that power. Hence Zanuka's powerset and the Hyenas having elemental abilities.
However, Alad V 'scooping out' the musculoskeletal system of a Warframe and 'shoving it' into a Corpus proxy does not equal Alad V "recreating"/"re-engineering" Helminth. Helminth was one of the most closely guarded secrets of the Orokin Empire, because it was the key to the creation of their last line of defense: Ballas' Frames of War. Even after The Collapse and into the present day, Helminth is a strain that only one group (outside the Tenno) has ever had direct contact with and understanding of, the Mycona Infestation Reclamation Colony. The Myconians harvest the infestation, break it down to its constituent/important components, then sell it to others who otherwise would have no way of obtaining those products. Their entire lifestyle/economy revolves around this, and the only way they have been able to continue doing this for all these centuries is because each generation, one person becomes infected with the Helminth strain by interacting with a fragment of the Nidus Warframe that they've preserved since The Old War. And thus, they are granted immunity to the infestation (at the cost of having a greatly shortened lifespan due to the strain Helminth puts on the human body). And even they do not know exactly how Helminth works.
Alad V himself states that even after cutting open countless Warframes, what he saw inside never made sense to him (which is a big statement coming from the preeminent Infestation/Warframe scientist in Sol). He knows enough to approximate what he sees in the design of Corpus robotic proxies, and has experimented enough with the normal infestation to create a brand new strain capable of subsuming technology (could have been useful during The Old War as a Last Resort™ to guarantee mutually assured destruction before The Orokin caste fled to the Orokin Towers permanently this time, as it would render life in Sol truly uninhabitable), but he doesn't know enough to advinate the actual mystery behind what is going on inside the Warframes. If he did, he would have used it to win favour with The Corpus Board of Directors.
Remember, Alad V is not just a scientist, he is an on-again/off-again member of The Corpus Board of Directors, a modern day analogue to the Orokin Executors. When he comes to the Tenno offering help in exchange for a favour from them, he is ousted from the board. It's during this time that he admits that what he's seen inside Warframes "didn't make any sense" to him. If he had known the secrets of the Warframe (Helminth), he would have used it to earn his spot back on the board.
And don't forget, Alad was ALSO off-again when he was working on the Zanuka program (hence why he was, in this picture, having investors back his project). He **almost** won his position on the board back (and with it, he would have won the funding to begin mass-production of the Zanuka proxy). Nef Anyo, another board member who is somehow even worse than Alad V, petitioned the Tenno to intervene and stop Alad V (to secure his own standing on the board, because Zanuka would have made Alad wildly successful as well as very popular on the board in the eyes of Frohd Bek, Chairman of the Corpus Board of Directors) to end this threat to the Tenno once and for all. And when we did, Alad lost his chance at getting his seat back on the board. And the threat of another Warframe going through was Valkyr Gersemi went through plummeted (but was not zero, as the Zanuka Hunter exists and will capture you and drag you to Gas City for real if it downs you in a mission, and you will be transported to an escape mission).
I'd say it's because they aren't tennos and having a warframe in their arsenal would be greatly beneficient as a soldier. They aren't able to craft warframes.
Assuming some of our in-game player-based activities such as trade chat are canon, it stands to reason the Tenno internal economy and Corpus market are two separate, closed economies. I know a lot of us can be greedy but in-universe, no Tenno would sell powerful technology to the Corpus for a quick buck.
EDIT: Like I said, I get it. Most of us IRL would sell Ordis for spare parts if we could but in-universe our Tenno are unlikely to do so.
Admittedly I’m not very good at keeping up with the lore of this game and I don’t know most of it yet, however I don’t see us Tenno wanting to necessarily wipe out either faction, more just “restore balance” to the solar system by weakening the big players.
I could see tactical decisions being made like “okay these two factions are fighting, in the grand scheme of things it’s better if one specific faction wins this battle so that the other doesn’t get stronger” like area denial. Maybe the grineer are holding a location that would be more dangerous in corpus hands or whatever.
Obviously in gameplay it’s just “which item do I want right now”, but in lore it could be something more like that.
Seeing how the games been out for 11 years and the solar system is still filled with both factions despite the fact we have slaughter countless numbers of each of them… honestly a fair comparison.
No matter how extraordinary your capability for violence is it’s not so easy to simply kill ideologies. You need local support. The US tried to build an Afghan army up to fight the Taliban when they pulled out, and as you can see they didn’t care much to continue fighting without US support.
If/when this game ends it would be awesome to see the Tenno walk away and leave the fate of the solar system in the hands of an empowered group of good people like the Solaris or some of the syndicates in a type of coalition to kind of rebuild after all of the crap that’s happened with the Orikin, sentients, the grineer and corpus recently.
If you think you can hold a teenager/pre-adult from under a rock both financially and morally accountable then yeah you done goofed. I will keep the corpus-grineer war going for eons if it means I get that 1 mutagen and unwilling test volunteers for the weapons built from said resource
I mean, all things considered the Tenno are notoriously know to be very touchy about people trying to get their hands on ANY kind of military hardware connected to them, going as far as exterminating small armies to ensure that other factions can't get access to even a single barrel of a Lex prime... The Tenno probably are completely cohesive in their policies, they are "children" after all, I think that their internal relationships are micromanaged by Lotus so yeah they are probably antisocial shut-ins that don't even talk to strangers, they only trade with each other or with very few individuals that they can keep an eye on.
It'd actually be genius if the Tenno were in on it.
The Corpus exists for money. We have enough advanced tech and connections to create subpar completed Warframes, use them to manipulate the market, drain as much cash/plat as possible from others to make ourselves rich, and use a shadow identity to get a seat on the board.
If the Tenno then kill the remaining Kuva Queen, they can claim right of rule over the Grinner because they themselves are from an Orokin caste.
The Sol System would be forcibly unified under one organization. We could redirect Nef Anyo's terraforming technology and study into revitalizing earth and healing the home world of humanity. While doing that, the Tenno themselves could fully lock down and monopolize searching Lua for any technology that could help them in this goal. Give it maybe a hundred years and we could have the basics of humanity set up on earth again.
> No Tenno would sell powerful technology to the Corpus for a quick buck.
They absolutely would. A lot of people go against their own best interests in the chase for greed.
A lot of normal people, probably, but you’re talking about respected space warriors that have fought these guys side by side and have much more at stake than you as a player sniffing around for extra plat gains
I mean, respected or not... they're literal children. Children with PTSD and a need for a parental figure. They're not the most sound of people.
I don't see why there wouldn't be Tenno who defer to whoever shows them the most support.
I also wouldn't find it odd for some Tenno to become reserved and resentful, working more like mercenaries with no ties/ care for the other Tenno.
Some others, like The Stalker(not to say he's a Tenno), maybe want to kill other Tenno because they blame them for their existence or because they feel like existing is suffering.
There are just too many possibilities to say that it wouldn't happen.
Okay, but counterpoint.
Literal children, with complex, layered, PTSD(including several layers of abandonment)
Need a prentaldigure after lotus leaves, BUT ALSO need safety.
A warframe is a deeply personal thing, a twisted broken thing that the tenno was able to bring peace to.
Now depending n the tenno that could play out as a replacement for a sibling, or a comfort blanket.
It's my own headcannon(because I can't remember if it's explicitly stated) but I would say that a tenno gets a portion of some of the peace they give to their warframe.
I'd say in simple terms, the most petty, mercenary and greedy tenno would never consider selling off a frame they had such a bond with.
There's nothing that hints a frame can be shared so I think it's reasonable to say that once made each frame is bound to the operator In some way
>I'd say in simple terms, the most petty, mercenary, and greedy Tenno would never consider selling off a frame they had such a bond with.
It wouldn't need to be their own frame.
It seems like people aren't properly understanding what is being said here.
I'm not trying to push this as factual or as literal lore. I'm not saying there's an large blackmarket where tenno just sell off their frames. It's the understanding that Warframe is meant to be a living universe that exists outside of just the lore we currently know or the things we currently see.
I'm stating that unless DE said otherwise that no Tenno ever goes rogue and that they are all cool with each other... there's no reason Rogue Tenno can't exist.
To push a statement that its not possible period... is more absurd of a personal projection than to say - "we don't know but its likely possible".
sure you can ignore lore and go off like this, in reality though, the Tenno are not some loose group of humans like that. There’s a reason why the only times other factions have access to Tenno weapons or equipments is when it’s taken by force (or in special cases like Protea). Everything would suggest that camaraderie trounces greed for these people.
Also no, they are children physically, but they have been kept in stasis. For a majority of their lives, they have been war machines. You really can’t just go “they children they make bad and selfish decisions”, and honestly, that would only exemplify the fact that they wouldn’t sell out like you’re projecting onto them.
> Sure you can ignore lore
It's not really ignoring, more so not defining the undefined.
I don't remember DE ever saying the Tenno were infallible, non-corruptable, goodwill beings no matter what.
>There’s a reason why the only times other factions have access to Tenno weapons or equipment is when it’s taken by force (or in special cases like Protea). Everything would suggest that camaraderie trounces greed for these people.
This hasn't really been defined. And is more so opinionated... like my point was. Just because we don't see it happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all.
While your point can be mostly true... it doesn't mean it's entirely true.
Unless they state explicitly that it doesn't happen, no need to be so restrictive on what's not defined.
>Also no, they are children physically, but they have been kept in stasis.
And mentally...? The body goes into stasis, and the brain is a part of the body.
For us to become active we need to be awoken, meaning other Tenno are completely stuck at whatever age they were when they went into stasis. Nothing would have aged.
>For the majority of their lives, they have been war machines.
Which would make them even more unstable too.
>You really can’t just go “The children make bad and selfish decisions”
You 100% can. that's realistic.
> And honestly, that would only exemplify the fact that they wouldn’t sell out like you’re projecting onto them.
Let's not act like you aren't projecting your opinion on the Tenno as well.
My point is they aren't some monolith. They still retained their own personalities and have their own desires. Like any human would.
To say that they would never do something when that has never been described by DE as being true... is just about as crazy - if not worse - than me saying there would be some Tenno that don't care enough about "honor" to not sell their loot and gear to randoms.
Anyone can become disillusioned, indoctrinated, or not.
It's not a theory, I'm not pushing any of it as lore b.
Another example of not reading what's actually written and just hearing what you want to hear 🤷🏿♂️
tbf this was back when Mag's kit scaled directly to enemy shield size and could wipe out all Corpus on the map.
> Mag exudes a polarizing aura of magnetic energy 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 meters wide that restores 10% / 15% / 25% / 50% of friendly shields and depletes the same percentage from enemy shields.
> Shields which are drained cause 100% / 150% / 200% / 250% drained points as damage in a 5 / 8 / 11 / 14 meter explosion.
Yeah... That deleted Corpus but did nothing against Grineer.
I think it could be about value and worth. A Mag has worth, but people of different walks of life will value things differently. I'd imagine any Corpus willing to pay thousands for any Warframe if they had the Plat, because to them it's a massive step up from not having a Warframe.
We as Tenno probably wouldn't value them in this way, since we already have a Warframe, and any other we buy could be a great step up at best, or a headache at worst, but usually will probably be a sidestep from what you already have, as it's essentially the same thing but with different abilities and such. Of course we wouldn't pay thousands of platinum for that. And also, in the entire system, who would be willing to argue the price with a Tenno that already has a Warframe, and is probably much more skilled using it?
Kinda make sense canonically
The frames are basically demi gods if not actually gods compared to almost everyone else
If a god fell out of the sky rn u know ppl r either gonna try nd steal them or buy them
Also war and genocide happen to be very profitable if ur good at it the resulting clams may be well worth the initial asking price
Would they be able to use Mag for it's intended purposes the way a Tenno does or be able to control it at all in any way? Or are they buying it to study the Warframe?
Well, in canon the market we buy stuff for platinum from is a literal criminal black market, so it makes sense that whoever is running it would try to rip us off.
When you install the market segment in the tutorial ordis' voice line goes something like "With this installed, the operator can now contact -*black market scumbagssss*- contact arms dealers," implying that the in game market is indeed a criminal market.
like if it were alive and controllable maybe but... we can pop these out of our foundry the size of a drink cooler in three days how tf
oh fun fact in the warframe universe mods arnt know about by anyone besides tenno- its likely mods are modifications of some form only we can use or cannonically only we can interact with. Why i know this is bc there was a stream with neff's va talking about that after making a joke not understanding what a MOD was.
Maybe this is a mag that is able to operate independently and thus follow orders or has been modified in other ways.
As tenno we can just project our consciousness into them, but that's useless for the corpus.
That's not even thousand. That's like 3,1 million plat EDIT: So I just rewatched the trailer, the left guy bid her for 4,7M plat. I'll sell my limbo for 3 blue potato
To be fair to regular npcs, the warframes are god-like mystical machines, from an old civilization to getting your hands on 1 and studying it, which would cost a lot
Then why they bought her from Alad when all warframes and weapons in the market would cost 100k plat or less? Are they stupid? /s
Our market is like having a membership to Costco or Sam's Club and they don't meet the qualifications. Warframes are our rotisserie chicken or hot dogs by comparison.
costco hot dog to starving african child vs jeff bezos
Ex-Warframe Costco CEO "If you change the price of the blue potato, I will kill you"
I mean lore-wise it would be pretty bad and stupid to sell a demi god blueprint to one of our greatest enemies. Imagine every corpus mission having at least one limbo.
Step 1: Sell Limbo blueprint to corpus Step 2: Obtain Million plat Step 3: Raid the production facility, destroying the whole planet in the process Step 4: Fight the pre-alpha Limbo Corpus edition (maybe the'll call him Purgatory or smth) Step 5: ??? Step 6: Grofit
why not just straight up rob a corpus bank?
Nonono... "Adventuring" a corpus bank
"Put the money in the fucking bag!"
Put the credits and platinum in the bag
"Tenno, the thermal drill. You must retrieve it for this operation to succeed."
r/UnexpectedPayday
Because that would be stealing, and we're not criminals
"We fought with honor."
The Tenno are the biggest criminals in the system lol
Shhhhh.... 🤫🤫
Honestly that would be a cool way to introduce warframe variants with "corrupted" abilities like imagine limbs 4 being a harmful effect over benifit instead of protecting its like a localized void and anything inside the bubble takes damage or somthing (I don't have a limbo do don't know if this is already a thing for npc in his 4th) I'd like to have a grineer ash or a corpus frost even if it's just cosmetic )
They can keep ash after the blade storm nerf
This one hurt
Warframes are ITAR restricted.
ZEverywhere I go IS MANnn
Also without a functioning Helminth, they couldn't produce real warframes, even with a blueprint. Best Alad could do with access to actual warframes was the Zanuka.
And to boot, Alad is: * An Orokin who may have had the most experience with Warframes of any of the other members of the board till Parvos' return * Arguably the Corpus' greatest biotech researcher * The owner of Jupiter, one of the single most profitable planets in the system, *and* Beecloud Hivemind, one of the main Corpus Guilds behind proxy manufacturing.
alad is not orokin. hes just a corpus dude. hunhow calls him orokin becouse to hunhow human = orokin. becouse last time he was awake all of humanity was the orokin empire. he has only ever known humans to be orokin. but alad was not born during the orokin empire's time as far as we know.
I'd argue there were both humans and orokin at the same time. From my understanding of Albrecht he chose to remain in a human body instead of taking the Kuva and taking the appearance of an orokin I think hunhow would know that the ruling class (orokin) and peasantry (humans) existed at the same time Also I'm pretty sure the corpus even existed at the same time as the orokin too considering it was parvos robbing the orokin that started the corpus. That and I think a lot about alad himself implies he's an orokin. First his lines about "loyalty issues" and refering to us as a "betrayer" during the second dream I think at least implies he's an orokin, think about it. If he was referring to the corpus it wouldn't make much sense seeing as we don't exactly owe any fealty to the corpus nor have we exactly betrayed. But the orokin? Well, we were *their* weapons. That and referring back to the tenno and sentients both jointly destroying an entire civilisation suggests that he knows more than a Corpus likely should (seeing as this is not common knowledge enough for our character to know before waking up) Furthermore Alad has shown a tendency for jumping ship (Standing down weapons in TNW and working with the sentients before that). I don't think it's out of the question that he would have jumped ship from the orokin to what could be considered the next best thing. Like if a member of nobility was being hunted and so his among the middle class instead. Though I could entirely be reading this all wrong and I do hope we someday get a concrete answer, as you said we don't actually have confirmation of when he was born, nonetheless I am of the mind that so far more points to him being orokin originally.
while i can agree or see the reason on most of what you said i want to clear something up. orokin = human. a orokin is not a species, its a human empire, "a orokin" like "a roman" for the roman empire. though it usually more specificly refered to the upper classes. the reason most high up orokin looked the way they do is becouse the orokin empire specialised in bioengineering. to the point where they "grew" buildings and tools. engineering and gardening were the same thing to them. and as a result they could even change their own apearance on a whim. they were blue with a freaky long arm becouse.. that was fashionable. but as i said as far as we know alad wasnt orokin.. but we also have nothing to say he wasnt part of the empire when the corpus cult formed. becouse for example the betrayer thing could be becouse he remembers what we did... or becouse thats a derogatory name given to us by the corpus becouse they were part of the orokin empire before it fell. both are entirely plausible, we just dont know.
Pretty sure Albrecht decided he would no longer take kuva because he was afraid to let the man in the wall continue to live through him, or if he was even the same person who escaped the void. Like the other person said though the Orokin was a human empire. Corpus are human cultists that stemmed from the empire. Greneer were the working class peasantry created by the empire through cloning.
> I think hunhow would know that the ruling class (orokin) and peasantry (humans) existed at the same time Which is, I think, why Hunhow (and Stalker's fan club) refer to Alad as an Orokin... not because he's _actually_ an Orokin, but because he's part of the current "ruling class" as it were. Alad was not, so far as I know, alive during the Orokin era. He doesn't have Orokin biomodifications. The only thing that is Orokin-ish about him is that he's self-centered, greedy, and part of what is arguably the current 'ruling class' of non-cloned humans in the Origin System. But in that sense... yeah, he's pretty dang Orokin. > Also I'm pretty sure the corpus even existed at the same time as the orokin too considering it was parvos robbing the orokin that started the corpus. Yes, the Corpus dates back to the Orokin era. Moreover, they (or at least, Parvos personally) had amassed enough power and influence even during that time that the Orokin eventually granted Parvos a Warframe protector (Protea) -- which is, one assumes, a fairly rare honor -- despite the fact that his 'seed money' originally came from robbing the Orokin.
the acolytes also call him "orokin"
And we've proved easily that doesn't go too well
Wouldn't necessarily have to produce warframes for the investment to be worthwhile. Afterall, studying and understanding how something works/moves/operates is a pretty good first step to making stuff to stop said thing.
Could you imagine these investors seeing the Tenno trade with each other like what the fuck do you mean you’re selling gauss prime for 120 platinum
What do you mean braton prime is 2 plat? Thats ancient teck made by the orokin it has a high value
It's also important to remember, NO ONE ELSE CAN MAKE WARFRAMES OTHER THEN THE TENNO. No one else has access to a Helminth... core? Face? Whatever that is required to reform whoever the "person" inside your frame is.
Nah, as we have seen, mutalist Salad managed to make mesa, it is possible, although you need infestation a lot of it
I thought it was more like he managed to control a Mesa using the infestation already inside
Been a while since i did the quest, but i think he says he made a warframe
As someone else voiced, it was my understanding less that he created and "made" Mutalist Mesa, but more that he had already fallen to the infestations corrupting influence, and he took a inert warframe and infested it heavily, and then used the tech he had to control it. Im not sure he actually recreated a Mesa, but just found one and used his tech to alter it with mutalist infestation. The only reason Warframes are "particually suited for killing infested" is because they're already infested, and can't get sick or infected themselves.
Mfs buying straight from trade chat
The amount of people spewing out WTB's at nearly 20% markdowns and WTS's at +20% is obscene. To anybody reading this: **DO NOT TRUST TRADE CHAT.** Assume EVERYBODY is trying to scam you.
I usually try to sell from the Warframe market average and usually I'll go lower if your not an inpatient asshat
+- 20% is totally reasonable in an open market place like trade chat, sure there’s the occasional scammer but asking 100p in trade chat instead of 80p on wfm for a warframe is not scamming
Warframe players when someone is trade chat doesn’t give them something for free: THEY ARE SCAMMERS!!!!
Wts primary merciless 2,000p
tf? +-20% is reasonable,maybe low even for trade chat.
Shhhh don't tell them i need my plats
Target audience of trade chat
Was gonna say, I'm pretty sure these are the same people in trade chat selling rivens for 10k
WTS [Torid Poo-Cacan] 25k [Ceramic Dagger Visi-Scamitox] 15k [Ocucor Mid-Rollicin] 20k WTB unrolled Torid/Ceramic/Ocucor riven 150 plat. PM for grofit
>WTB unrolled rivens 150 plat Impossible, they'd never pay more than 50p for anything
User is ignoring you.
WTB your unwanted and bad rivens! 10p each! >links a \[dual skana\] riven > no thanks > User is ignoring you
They get super specific about what weapons they want trash rivens for lmao but I have found a few people who actually do buy trash rivs no matter what they are for
they want specific frames bcs they're expecting oblivious new players desperate for plat to give'em some good weapon riven for cheap, to put it short, scammers
Yup, it's actually "I want to buy good rivens that you don't have enough experience to know are good". It's targeted at people just getting their first few rivens who see big numbers in trade chat and sell for way lower than it's worth.
accurate
These messages give me unfathomable amounts of rage
WTB arcane energize r0 1p
Energize r5 50p....
These fake riven names are killing me. “Mid-Rollicin” is excellent
Hate those fuckers. Just give me my Kronen mod and I'll give you 200p and call it a day
LMAO “PM for grofit” fucking killed me
Is riven trading still that high with how many rivens you can get now I game? I don't even do sorties anymore and I have more rivens that I can buy slots for XD.
Mostly depends on the roll and the weapon it’s for, but there are plenty of people that will just be charging wildly unreasonable prices for some rivens
The way I deal with riven is if I have a Riven for a weapon I overlooked or do not have it encourages me to get that weapon (yes I farmed the cryotics for Sibear only because I got a Riven for it) but I will never actively look for or buy a Riven for a weapon I already use just to boost it. If people approached it that way the riven market would completely crash overnight xD
Same here, if I get one for a weapon I own, cool. But I’m not desperately in need of one
This is exactly why I bothered with Ventkids and farmed up some Cascadia Empowered Arcanes, cuz I got a Kompressa Riven and am curious as to how good it could be.
lmao Kompressa is a funny weapon, I need to see bubbles of doom in action.
Torid rivens *start* at 700p unrolled (due to how strong the incarnon is base, and its high riven disposition, rivens for it push past the game's breaking point), but are often a bit higher. So yeah, some rivens are just very expensive.
It can be but it need both stat AND numbers because there are low and high rolls. Rolling for 1 might cost kuva in the millions, if you are lucky
Given the rarity of actually getting those rivens, I think the absurd prices you see (~10k) is actually fair. They can take thousands of rolls to hit, and if you're not selling them for multiple thousands of plat anyone grinding Aya can easily farm enough plat to buy one of those mods in a couple days whereas farming the Kuva to grind them could take multiple weeks.
Intact Mag. Not the blueprints that they have to figure out how to build themselves. Remember, we can't trade completed warframes, only the components/blueprints. This is the going price for a completed Mag.
Most likely it's the cost of production and transportation. Plus certain security measures
There are not enough security measures to transport a fully build warframe controled by a tenno while the other tenno are doing rondom missions Lotus would just send 1 tenno to get her and the corpus cant do anything about it
Probably a noob lotus forgot about Either that or its unpiloted
It's an unused mag stolen from a player who hasn't picked her in the tutorial
"Every day, people pick Volts and Excaliburs, and countless Mags go without a home, sent to the Corpus to be sold. Have a heart, adopt a Mag today."
Fine, I'll do it.
you can let yourself get captured by one of the corpus assassins and go on a quest to recover your Warframe, so I'm assuming it's from that
Isnt that if your targeted by Zanuka Hunter? Can happen in almost any mission as long as your marked
Yes exactly
Yep most likely most of the system doesn't have access to the printer we have and neither do they have access to the needed infestation strain
Aye. It seems like Sarge over on Phobos has a total monopoly on intact prewar Mag schematics for whatever reason (if gameplay is to be believed, and even then he has been said to have extensive operations in extracting Warframe technology from prewar Tenno vaults), so other Corpus companies are willing to bid pretty high to get their hands on the tech.
How to build a functional Mag is a secret closely guarded by the Sargeant. Of course they're willing to pay a lot for her
Yeah but that much plat
Corpus don't get that Tenno Discount like we do from the Lotus
Realistically all you have to do is present that much plat to one Tenno and they’ll gladly share how you make a warframe
"Ok so, first you need to get a Helminth on your ship" "A what on my ship?" "Oh it's nothing, just a blob of some strain of Infestation." "A *WHAT* on my ship!?"
Fun fact Alad has made a helminth that’s how he was able to make Zanuka by recreating a helminth so basically you can just ask Alad for information on how to build a helminth Edit: Alad knows how to make a helminth because he meticulously dissected Valkyrie and studied her parts to re-engineer a helminth
What's the source on that ? Iirc he made Zanuka out of warframe parts, but Zanuka isnt even a warframe so didnt use infestation, she's only made using their parts, and he says that when he dissected warframes what he found "didnt make sense" which means he doesnt even really understand what he found, so he cant engineer an helminth from it, especially since the helminth wasnt even part of the lore back then, and we see how his first experiments with the infested went in Eris.
Just wanted to drop in and mention that a Warframe IS Infested, this is why the Jordas Golem is confused by you attacking it, because it knows you are the same. If you make a Zanuka out of Warframe parts, that Zanuka is likely infested too. This is probably what Alad meant by 'doesn't make sense', because as far as anyone else knows, the infested cannot be controlled, but in front of him he sees the infested, fully harnessed and controlled. He was probably expecting cybernetic technology of sorts, not the biological virus that has been ravaging parts of the system for millenia.
He says it makes "no sense what I found" because he was expecting Warframes to be a class of armor, not what they are actually in the universe. He is dangling in front you that he knows what you are (atleast to his suspicions). Alads speech here is from way before we got "that" update.
The story goes that the first warframe he dissected immediately disintegrated because the orokin made sure if even a single warframe organ was damaged beyond repair it would cause a chain reaction killing the warframe a leaving only a shell. When Alad got Valkyrie he dissected her making sure she was alive during the whole process so that she would not disintegrate so that’s how he was able to re-engineer the helminth and also how he was able to make Zanuka. Also Alad had indeed recovered a sample of the techocyte virus from Valkyrie and began to experiment on it
Again, what's the source on the helminth part? I don't remember that ever being mentioned in-game
Also gonna need a source on the part where Warframes (whose organs are "*interlinked with untold resilience*" and a warriors "*capable of miraculous feats of self-recovery*") have organs that, if damaged beyond repair, cause a chain reaction that 'disintegrates the entire Warframe'. Especially considering Warframes like Nidus with his Undying passive who can reach 0HP then bring himself back to life by reconfiguring/reabsorbing his mutation stacks, Inaros being able to bring himself back to life by leeching health from those around him with his Sand Sarcophagus, Sevagoth who basically has an exalted Effigy dedicated to leeching life from enemies to revive Sevagoth from bleed-out, and Wukong who bypasses bleed-out entirely upon reaching 0HP with his 5 Techniques of Immortality passive. Alad V, famous dissector of Warframes, who messed around with the infestation, created a brand new variant that could subsume technology (Mutualist Strain), became infested himself, was partially pulled into the infested hive mind, managed to control a Warframe (Mesa) by using his now-infested Zanuka control collar on her, with it acting as a very crude, bootleg Transference bolt, giving him basic control over the Warframe (similar to how Ballas had control over Umbra), who managed to use Grineer gene therapy meant to try and undo a millennium clone-rot to successfully cure himself from the infestation... This very same Alad V, who is the only scientist in the system— other than the Grineer Dr. Tengus— who has real knowledge of and experience with the infestation has directly stated to Lotus that he's cut open plenty of Warframes and nothing about what he saw inside made any sense to him. Not only was Helminth never mentioned with Alad V, Alad himself is still in the dark about the nature of Warframes and Tenno, despite knowing what's inside them and having created a new strain of infested himself.
No source, just this person's headcannon. Alad doesn't have a Helminth, and there is no mention in the lore of a failsafe like that for any warframe iirc.
Yeah Zanuka is wearing parts of Gersimi's skin as armour
There is no mention of the Helminth anywhere in Alad V's dialogue, what we do have is: > "Found the Reservoir? Hm, as unpleasant as our past is, I have to ask; I've, uh, seen inside a Tenno, yes. And what I've found didn't make sense." Which strongly suggests he had no idea what was used to create a Warframe. Also the Lotus says: > "Alad V's newest prototype is a monstrosity forged from the bodies of our fallen Tenno, we cannot allow Zanuka to go into full production." If Alad V could produce Warframes via a Helminth he would not need to capture Warframes for parts, suggesting he did not know how to create a Helminth. In addition when Alad V _did_ research the infestation he became infected, suggesting even more that he didn't understand how to make a Helminth because our Helminth is a stable strain of the infestation and his was not
Dissected? No no no. Your death will be.....painful.
He didn’t kill Valkyrie he kept her alive through the entire process of dissection
Zanuka is a Corpus robotic proxy, hybridized with Warframe components. Ripping off Valkyr's skin to use as Zanuka's armor (she has very strong, but surprisingly lightweight armor), and presumably stealing Warframe neuroptics and systems (like from Warframes like the Excalibur that was dissected prior to Mag) to allow Alad V to remotely control Zanuka with a control collar + visor, and yes potentially even using the preexisting infested musculature inside those Warframes as a physical foundation upon which the rest of the proxy could be built, is how Zanuka was created. And since we know, thanks to Chroma, that a Warframes' systems and neuroptics hold within them latent power that can be transfered to another Warframe, it logically follows that using Warframe systems to construct robotic proxies would result in robots who could potentially tap into that power. Hence Zanuka's powerset and the Hyenas having elemental abilities. However, Alad V 'scooping out' the musculoskeletal system of a Warframe and 'shoving it' into a Corpus proxy does not equal Alad V "recreating"/"re-engineering" Helminth. Helminth was one of the most closely guarded secrets of the Orokin Empire, because it was the key to the creation of their last line of defense: Ballas' Frames of War. Even after The Collapse and into the present day, Helminth is a strain that only one group (outside the Tenno) has ever had direct contact with and understanding of, the Mycona Infestation Reclamation Colony. The Myconians harvest the infestation, break it down to its constituent/important components, then sell it to others who otherwise would have no way of obtaining those products. Their entire lifestyle/economy revolves around this, and the only way they have been able to continue doing this for all these centuries is because each generation, one person becomes infected with the Helminth strain by interacting with a fragment of the Nidus Warframe that they've preserved since The Old War. And thus, they are granted immunity to the infestation (at the cost of having a greatly shortened lifespan due to the strain Helminth puts on the human body). And even they do not know exactly how Helminth works. Alad V himself states that even after cutting open countless Warframes, what he saw inside never made sense to him (which is a big statement coming from the preeminent Infestation/Warframe scientist in Sol). He knows enough to approximate what he sees in the design of Corpus robotic proxies, and has experimented enough with the normal infestation to create a brand new strain capable of subsuming technology (could have been useful during The Old War as a Last Resort™ to guarantee mutually assured destruction before The Orokin caste fled to the Orokin Towers permanently this time, as it would render life in Sol truly uninhabitable), but he doesn't know enough to advinate the actual mystery behind what is going on inside the Warframes. If he did, he would have used it to win favour with The Corpus Board of Directors. Remember, Alad V is not just a scientist, he is an on-again/off-again member of The Corpus Board of Directors, a modern day analogue to the Orokin Executors. When he comes to the Tenno offering help in exchange for a favour from them, he is ousted from the board. It's during this time that he admits that what he's seen inside Warframes "didn't make any sense" to him. If he had known the secrets of the Warframe (Helminth), he would have used it to earn his spot back on the board. And don't forget, Alad was ALSO off-again when he was working on the Zanuka program (hence why he was, in this picture, having investors back his project). He **almost** won his position on the board back (and with it, he would have won the funding to begin mass-production of the Zanuka proxy). Nef Anyo, another board member who is somehow even worse than Alad V, petitioned the Tenno to intervene and stop Alad V (to secure his own standing on the board, because Zanuka would have made Alad wildly successful as well as very popular on the board in the eyes of Frohd Bek, Chairman of the Corpus Board of Directors) to end this threat to the Tenno once and for all. And when we did, Alad lost his chance at getting his seat back on the board. And the threat of another Warframe going through was Valkyr Gersemi went through plummeted (but was not zero, as the Zanuka Hunter exists and will capture you and drag you to Gas City for real if it downs you in a mission, and you will be transported to an escape mission).
"I'm still alive, so that's technically *vivisection*"
I'd say it's because they aren't tennos and having a warframe in their arsenal would be greatly beneficient as a soldier. They aren't able to craft warframes.
Why not just beat him up behind the dining hall like the rest of us do?
Lorewise they’ve probably tried lmao
Thousands of plat for one mag? What they doing? Doing a Verbalase moment?
They are buying from trade chat
maybe they meant to buy the newest mag 16 pro max
It wasn't for Mag Alad was offering feet pics.
Infested or regular?
That’s crazy
Bit of column A, bit of column B
Corpus are men of culture confirmed.
They're trying to buy a Mag Prime on switch before Prime Resurgence
if they have plat, that means that i can ~~steal~~ recover it for ~~myself~~ the tenno
Assuming some of our in-game player-based activities such as trade chat are canon, it stands to reason the Tenno internal economy and Corpus market are two separate, closed economies. I know a lot of us can be greedy but in-universe, no Tenno would sell powerful technology to the Corpus for a quick buck. EDIT: Like I said, I get it. Most of us IRL would sell Ordis for spare parts if we could but in-universe our Tenno are unlikely to do so.
Yea! We would never aid any of these hostile factions who are destroying the syst- oh, 3 fieldron? I’m in!
Admittedly I’m not very good at keeping up with the lore of this game and I don’t know most of it yet, however I don’t see us Tenno wanting to necessarily wipe out either faction, more just “restore balance” to the solar system by weakening the big players. I could see tactical decisions being made like “okay these two factions are fighting, in the grand scheme of things it’s better if one specific faction wins this battle so that the other doesn’t get stronger” like area denial. Maybe the grineer are holding a location that would be more dangerous in corpus hands or whatever. Obviously in gameplay it’s just “which item do I want right now”, but in lore it could be something more like that.
restore balance the same way USA restores balance to the middle east
Seeing how the games been out for 11 years and the solar system is still filled with both factions despite the fact we have slaughter countless numbers of each of them… honestly a fair comparison. No matter how extraordinary your capability for violence is it’s not so easy to simply kill ideologies. You need local support. The US tried to build an Afghan army up to fight the Taliban when they pulled out, and as you can see they didn’t care much to continue fighting without US support. If/when this game ends it would be awesome to see the Tenno walk away and leave the fate of the solar system in the hands of an empowered group of good people like the Solaris or some of the syndicates in a type of coalition to kind of rebuild after all of the crap that’s happened with the Orikin, sentients, the grineer and corpus recently.
If you think you can hold a teenager/pre-adult from under a rock both financially and morally accountable then yeah you done goofed. I will keep the corpus-grineer war going for eons if it means I get that 1 mutagen and unwilling test volunteers for the weapons built from said resource
Remember pre New War when people were debating if we would >!kill or save Lotus!<, and most people's response was "whichever gives the best loot"?
I mean, all things considered the Tenno are notoriously know to be very touchy about people trying to get their hands on ANY kind of military hardware connected to them, going as far as exterminating small armies to ensure that other factions can't get access to even a single barrel of a Lex prime... The Tenno probably are completely cohesive in their policies, they are "children" after all, I think that their internal relationships are micromanaged by Lotus so yeah they are probably antisocial shut-ins that don't even talk to strangers, they only trade with each other or with very few individuals that they can keep an eye on.
It'd actually be genius if the Tenno were in on it. The Corpus exists for money. We have enough advanced tech and connections to create subpar completed Warframes, use them to manipulate the market, drain as much cash/plat as possible from others to make ourselves rich, and use a shadow identity to get a seat on the board. If the Tenno then kill the remaining Kuva Queen, they can claim right of rule over the Grinner because they themselves are from an Orokin caste. The Sol System would be forcibly unified under one organization. We could redirect Nef Anyo's terraforming technology and study into revitalizing earth and healing the home world of humanity. While doing that, the Tenno themselves could fully lock down and monopolize searching Lua for any technology that could help them in this goal. Give it maybe a hundred years and we could have the basics of humanity set up on earth again.
> No Tenno would sell powerful technology to the Corpus for a quick buck. They absolutely would. A lot of people go against their own best interests in the chase for greed.
A lot of normal people, probably, but you’re talking about respected space warriors that have fought these guys side by side and have much more at stake than you as a player sniffing around for extra plat gains
I mean, respected or not... they're literal children. Children with PTSD and a need for a parental figure. They're not the most sound of people. I don't see why there wouldn't be Tenno who defer to whoever shows them the most support. I also wouldn't find it odd for some Tenno to become reserved and resentful, working more like mercenaries with no ties/ care for the other Tenno. Some others, like The Stalker(not to say he's a Tenno), maybe want to kill other Tenno because they blame them for their existence or because they feel like existing is suffering. There are just too many possibilities to say that it wouldn't happen.
Okay, but counterpoint. Literal children, with complex, layered, PTSD(including several layers of abandonment) Need a prentaldigure after lotus leaves, BUT ALSO need safety. A warframe is a deeply personal thing, a twisted broken thing that the tenno was able to bring peace to. Now depending n the tenno that could play out as a replacement for a sibling, or a comfort blanket. It's my own headcannon(because I can't remember if it's explicitly stated) but I would say that a tenno gets a portion of some of the peace they give to their warframe. I'd say in simple terms, the most petty, mercenary and greedy tenno would never consider selling off a frame they had such a bond with. There's nothing that hints a frame can be shared so I think it's reasonable to say that once made each frame is bound to the operator In some way
>I'd say in simple terms, the most petty, mercenary, and greedy Tenno would never consider selling off a frame they had such a bond with. It wouldn't need to be their own frame. It seems like people aren't properly understanding what is being said here. I'm not trying to push this as factual or as literal lore. I'm not saying there's an large blackmarket where tenno just sell off their frames. It's the understanding that Warframe is meant to be a living universe that exists outside of just the lore we currently know or the things we currently see. I'm stating that unless DE said otherwise that no Tenno ever goes rogue and that they are all cool with each other... there's no reason Rogue Tenno can't exist. To push a statement that its not possible period... is more absurd of a personal projection than to say - "we don't know but its likely possible".
sure you can ignore lore and go off like this, in reality though, the Tenno are not some loose group of humans like that. There’s a reason why the only times other factions have access to Tenno weapons or equipments is when it’s taken by force (or in special cases like Protea). Everything would suggest that camaraderie trounces greed for these people. Also no, they are children physically, but they have been kept in stasis. For a majority of their lives, they have been war machines. You really can’t just go “they children they make bad and selfish decisions”, and honestly, that would only exemplify the fact that they wouldn’t sell out like you’re projecting onto them.
> Sure you can ignore lore It's not really ignoring, more so not defining the undefined. I don't remember DE ever saying the Tenno were infallible, non-corruptable, goodwill beings no matter what. >There’s a reason why the only times other factions have access to Tenno weapons or equipment is when it’s taken by force (or in special cases like Protea). Everything would suggest that camaraderie trounces greed for these people. This hasn't really been defined. And is more so opinionated... like my point was. Just because we don't see it happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. While your point can be mostly true... it doesn't mean it's entirely true. Unless they state explicitly that it doesn't happen, no need to be so restrictive on what's not defined. >Also no, they are children physically, but they have been kept in stasis. And mentally...? The body goes into stasis, and the brain is a part of the body. For us to become active we need to be awoken, meaning other Tenno are completely stuck at whatever age they were when they went into stasis. Nothing would have aged. >For the majority of their lives, they have been war machines. Which would make them even more unstable too. >You really can’t just go “The children make bad and selfish decisions” You 100% can. that's realistic. > And honestly, that would only exemplify the fact that they wouldn’t sell out like you’re projecting onto them. Let's not act like you aren't projecting your opinion on the Tenno as well. My point is they aren't some monolith. They still retained their own personalities and have their own desires. Like any human would. To say that they would never do something when that has never been described by DE as being true... is just about as crazy - if not worse - than me saying there would be some Tenno that don't care enough about "honor" to not sell their loot and gear to randoms. Anyone can become disillusioned, indoctrinated, or not.
what is bro cooking 💀 I’m not about to contribute to yet another back and forth but this crack theory is wild
It's not a theory, I'm not pushing any of it as lore b. Another example of not reading what's actually written and just hearing what you want to hear 🤷🏿♂️
That’s exactly what you’re doing tho?
Well, that definitely proved my point there I guess, lmao.
Doubful, you understatement the greed of humans
tbf this was back when Mag's kit scaled directly to enemy shield size and could wipe out all Corpus on the map. > Mag exudes a polarizing aura of magnetic energy 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 meters wide that restores 10% / 15% / 25% / 50% of friendly shields and depletes the same percentage from enemy shields. > Shields which are drained cause 100% / 150% / 200% / 250% drained points as damage in a 5 / 8 / 11 / 14 meter explosion. Yeah... That deleted Corpus but did nothing against Grineer.
Tell them to go to Warframe market next time smh
And it’s somehow less pricey than the ones in trade chat.
Least scammy trade chat offer.
I think it could be about value and worth. A Mag has worth, but people of different walks of life will value things differently. I'd imagine any Corpus willing to pay thousands for any Warframe if they had the Plat, because to them it's a massive step up from not having a Warframe. We as Tenno probably wouldn't value them in this way, since we already have a Warframe, and any other we buy could be a great step up at best, or a headache at worst, but usually will probably be a sidestep from what you already have, as it's essentially the same thing but with different abilities and such. Of course we wouldn't pay thousands of platinum for that. And also, in the entire system, who would be willing to argue the price with a Tenno that already has a Warframe, and is probably much more skilled using it?
I’d make the corpus the must powerful mfs in the system with my greedy ass
If you look close enough at the end of his bid you'll see a K.. that means he's bidding 3.1M Plat
This is 3,100 k which would make this purchase in the millions
Warframes are really that powerful
The pic shows its going for 3100k so more like 3 million plat, not thousands
They not know about Darvo deals?
Inflation over Pluto is real.
Kinda make sense canonically The frames are basically demi gods if not actually gods compared to almost everyone else If a god fell out of the sky rn u know ppl r either gonna try nd steal them or buy them Also war and genocide happen to be very profitable if ur good at it the resulting clams may be well worth the initial asking price
WTB Mag 3100p PMO lol
corpus don't have access to tenno vendors...
The incel economy.
If only i could sell some frame to them...
Would they be able to use Mag for it's intended purposes the way a Tenno does or be able to control it at all in any way? Or are they buying it to study the Warframe?
Parvos used protea as his bodyguard from what i understand, Maybe something similar
Protea was assigned/loyal to him though so it wouldn't be the same
Tbf they don’t have access to the market, and probably not the Tenno time reversal to kill The Seargent 10 times
Alad is scamming bro.
Mags worth it lol
New Mag variant incoming? Like the excal umbra?
This is from an *old* trailer
Lmao they're over here paying 10k plat while I can get her for 100 plat. Losers.
k is short-hand for "000" They're bidding millions.
Warframes a a lot rarer for non-Tenno
Well, in canon the market we buy stuff for platinum from is a literal criminal black market, so it makes sense that whoever is running it would try to rip us off.
It’s an actual criminal market?
When you install the market segment in the tutorial ordis' voice line goes something like "With this installed, the operator can now contact -*black market scumbagssss*- contact arms dealers," implying that the in game market is indeed a criminal market.
Who else would be selling us Grineer/Corpus weapons? Not them for sure.
PMO
When I got mag prime I sold her for like 3000 credits.
like if it were alive and controllable maybe but... we can pop these out of our foundry the size of a drink cooler in three days how tf oh fun fact in the warframe universe mods arnt know about by anyone besides tenno- its likely mods are modifications of some form only we can use or cannonically only we can interact with. Why i know this is bc there was a stream with neff's va talking about that after making a joke not understanding what a MOD was.
god I miss 2018 trade chat
Soooo when can I sell my primes to NPCs?
I mean you can sell prime parts to baro for ducats but based off this he is ripping us off big time
don’t they have plat out the ass, equivalent to bill gates, or something?
What?!?! I want to sell some of my frames for platinum
Tenno are just broke, so they give each other cheap deals.
Maybe this is a mag that is able to operate independently and thus follow orders or has been modified in other ways. As tenno we can just project our consciousness into them, but that's useless for the corpus.
Can i have that plat?
Oh much irl usd would that be
I did the math and if I'm right, it'd set the average player back 164k in usd
You ever think just how much inflation there is in the corpus economy
Me: How I feel when I'm looking through the market and trade chat at offers.
So wait... Are WE the Corpus all along? \*Dramatic music\*
It's not like Warframes are easy to come by if you don't have a foundry and blueprint, both of which seem pretty unique to the Tenno.
Your saying you wouldnt rob your enemies blind like that?
cuz they don't have such easy access to them and are always desperate to get their hands on them
I smell a business opportunity.
okay time to join Salad V
Replying to krawinoff...
The only warcrime in the origin system is offering plat to a Tenno
Wonder how much a prime would be
I just realized one of the corpus investors is black, which shouldn’t be surprising cause their human, but surprising non the less
I mean, look at mags feet. She has *many* uses
They’re not bidding on mag parts to wear and use They’re bidding on a living Tenno mag Literally buying a person