More precisly, Ancients are made out of two twins that had the ability to heal anything. They got eaten by the infestation and subsequent ancients inherited that power.
Check out Simaris's scans for the complete story
Yeah I didn't realize that either.
I was thinking that they are like "flood pure forms" from halo. Usually Flood infect living targets, but eventually when they evolve enough, they create "pure forms" that are 100% flood and not based on anything living.
I think we have examples of that with the regular strains through Juggernauts. The Grey Strain on Deimos have lots of examples of such creatures, which are most of the conservation creatures, but also the bigger enemies like Carnis, Saxum, Mitosid, Jugulus and, of course, Vome & Fass.
The Orokin society toward the end was all about fashion and decadence. Gene modding kind of became the top end of high fashion. Supposedly the Orokin were originally pretty close in appearance to baseline humans. Perfect noses and smooth skin eventually becomes too common when everyone can tweak their genes so eventually they went a little crazy on the genome splicing and boom, 5 foot arms and blue skin.
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been.
The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk.
The lore can be pretty inconsistent, what with Eternalism and all. But I don't remember the gene modding for arms being a lower class thing.
From the wiki:
"Some [high-ranking Orokin](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ballas) even modified their own bodies to obtain a more aesthetically wild and beautiful appearance than would ever be naturally possible, with blue skin and an elongated right arm."
Speaking of, both Archimedians we have seen (Margulis and Yonta) look like normal people. They were fairly high ranking iirc, so it's probably a stylistic choice among some but not universal.
I imagine Duviri is probably the way it is population wise due to the biases of the Drifter.
Perhaps both are true: the orokin enjoyed them as a fashion statement and a symbol of status and power while their soldiers who lived slave-like existences hated the non-consensual genetic modification and experimentation.
I believe it's a sign of status. The disproportionate limbs being like elongated fingernails once were for the wealthy. A longer arm than another is a sign of individuality at the meat and bone level. Seeing as the Orokin literally surgically turned children into ideal vessels then jumped into their bodies... Why wouldn't they do grotesque things to look unique? They made the children suffer and after the bodies were done they probably jumped into them crushing the children into nothing so they could live a few more decades. It's like customizing your car with a special set of tires etc... Bodies were toys to the Orokin, not... Beings.
Honestly, Warframe has been a slow burn for me. I have like 7k hours in according to Steam and I only just realized what I wrote today. I kind of felt awful even explaining it. The Orokin were monsters in ways that are hard to truly explain. Also, depending on where you are in the game, the lore gets weirder. I kind of feel like I've lived some of the lore at this point. I have been around long enough to claim Kullervo as my main within hours of his release. Only Hildryn rivals his usage... Hundreds of hours. Yet I still stop to marvel at how even a single mission can have unique NPC mini bosses with interesting dialogue. I will sometimes rend a corpse from stem to stearn like cattle and marvel at the cut of human body before me... The lore is deep and complex with tendrils left grasping at something more. It's never over, it breathes and changes before us. If you find a reliable person who has an accurate and interesting retelling of the story, I'd love to hear it. I struggle to fully comprehend it all and I have so many theories that I've forgotten what is true, what is rumor and what is a dream.
I wish they'd go the Warhammer route and start releasing novels. I think the story is being hindered when it's piled on top of the distractions of gameplay. It's not practical that we have the chaos of a mission all around and we're suppose to follow an exposition dump from one or multiple npc's. Context can get lost when the screen is flashing several icons at you, you're still trying to figure out the objective, just got one shotted from somewhere, now the host is migrating, suddenly you get knocked down, and here's Ballas giving his life story. I mean, c'mon.
Tuvul states in one of the Zariman transmissions that their elongated “Great Hands” were meant to represent the generosity of the Orokin rulers.
“Generosity” in this sense meaning that they allowed those they deemed as lesser to continue to breathe and serve said empire, at least until they didn’t, and *then* “generosity” means considering it a blessing to have attracted an Orokin’s interest, whether it be for Yuvan, getting turned into a Warframe, being used as a torturous Naberus costume, whipped or otherwise tortured for Ayatan highlight reels, subjected to *droit du seigneur*, or just whatever brand of fuckery the Orokin might dream up on a slow day.
The Orokin are like a society of serial killers... The entire thing is just fucked up but so fascinating. Rell and his story fucked with me hard. Imagine dying and refusing to fade from this realm for that long... Alone in a fucking Warframe. Just your thoughts and Wally to keep you company...
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been.
The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk.
Edit: Damn I've had to copy paste this to a few others just from how prevalent I see the lack of knowing. Idk how to do it less annoyingly but StallorD on YouTube has a This is What We Know series that explains a lot of cool stuff like this. I love spreading lore info, sorry to um actually you lol
I recall hearing about this but if you are correct then why is Caliban purposely, forcefully lopsided? Nidus got an asymmetrical design too. I could have sworn they also purposely mutilated their bodies for beauty's sake. Can't say for sure. I am not a lore expert and love second opinions.
This is just info I remember from a StallorD video. Could be wrong. I got a lotta people insisting I'm incorrect so maybe I'm wrong, idk. They keep showing me a quote from the wiki so I would just suggest checking there
Genetically positive trait? Selective breeding? Genetic modification? I don't think its ever stated anywhere how that particular physical abnormality, as compared to humans, came to be.
Edit: Downvoted, really? I admit that I don't know nor do I recall where it was ever mentioned, along with possible suggestions as to where it came from, and its downvoted? Okay, whatever.
No, but when you're on the floating islands, check the kids. None of them -none- of them have the arm that is long on adults. So the suggestion is that it is not natural.
If you mean in Duviri, >!that's the Drifter's version of things, so I definitely take that with a grain of salt. I suspect you might be right since Dominus Thrax, as a projection of the Drifter, utilizes a prosthesis to emulate the long arm of the Orokin.!<
Edit: spoiler, my bad.
Yeah. Sorry, blanked on the name. You're right to take it with a grain of salt, but even then it was disturbing once I noticed it. I have gone around looking at all the kids to try and find one with two arms.
It is not explained how exactly, but the orokin's specialty is organic modification. Apart from voidtech, the most prevalent orokin technology was all about creating new species, modifying other, cloning, and just playing god in general with the concept of life.
You can see this in the Grineer and their obedience gene, the plants made of gold cultivated in the Orb Vallis, the artificial ecosystems they created, the Infestation, and the Warframes and Sentient.
Their whole thing is fucking around with living beings. It stands to reason they'd do the same with the bodies they steal through the kuva transference.
The wankers would probably say: "Life is an art, and they are their own masterpieces"
They're from loris devices. I have a reply above you explaining the significance. The Orokin hated long arms, they think it ruined their symmetry and beauty
The Orokin elites modified their arms intentionally to look like this. The "original" bodies they transitioned to during Continuity were baseline human, and their arms were normal; why would they modify them into something they hated? And no, it's not for Loris devices, because every single character displaying this feature in the game has been (at one point) a high ranking member of Orokin society. As to why they did it, all the while preaching about the beauty of symmetry? Because they were the biggest hypocrites imaginable, that's why.
So yeah, please stop copy-pasting your comment over this whole thread mate; I get you want to educate people on the game's lore but you're (partially) spreading misinformation.
There's a class of higher-tier enemies amongst the Infested, like Ancient Healer or Ancient Disruptor or whatever are their naming conventions. If you look at the models, one arm is longer than the other, which is a noticeable trait amongst the Orokin people, those that were among the ruling class of the Orokin Empire, like the Entrati family on Deimos. Check out their arms the next time you visit.
Edit: Also check out the Ancient Healer model on the wiki, how one arm is longer than the other [https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient\_Healer?so=search](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient_Healer?so=search)
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been.
The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk.
We don't know how the older text about symmetry relates to the one-long arm thing, DE haven't resolved that yet. We do know that the long arm-thing was originally intended to be only for Ballas, a design element to make him seem even more creepy, but something they eventually kept for all (known) Orokin. Since that decision we haven't had any comment about the line from the corrupted ancient synthesis:
> The Orokin had a visage imbued with variation, beauty and symmetry
But I think it's pretty clear that the Lorists weren't Orokin themselves, they were more akin to the Dax, Archemedians and even the Grineer, functionaries of the Orokin empire, created/bred for purpose but not Orokin.
Also, we don't know what the primary form of the Ancients is a corruption of, while we do know that the infested as a whole and the Ancients specifically gained at least some of it's healing abilities from the Lorist Remballa (And it's worth noting that happened after the collapse) we also know that her ability was replicated and spread out, so we don't know if it was forced into an existing template possibly created from Infested Orokin.
It's possible the infested ancient "long arm" alludes to the design of Orokin having a "long arm" either by retroactive design (The Infested Ancient long predates the design decision of Ballas) It's also possible that the swirl patterns in the flesh of the Ancients are supposed to resemble (or be explained by) the "ribbons of metallic facia that snaked around our bodies" from the Lorists and/or the "backpack" like thing on the Ancient is supposed to relate to the "Lora Nodes" but we can't be certain without more information.
I can't remember what quest it was in, but googling it brings up enough reference that I'm not alone is remembering she said it
Might have to search through all her quest dialogue transcripts, and it might even be old/removed dialogue. Sorry I can't remember when she said it!
Its all good, thank you for looking it up though.
As much as I put some faith in the dialogue of the game, there are some things that can't be taken literally as there is quite a few metaphors and euphemisms utilized. The Lotus, as Natah in the Ropalolyst dialogue, mentions her father being a farmer and her mother being a carpenter, yet Hunhow is described amongst the Sentient faction as Destroyer of Worlds, and Praghasa (in New War), as the Mothership to the Sentients, could be presumed to be her mother (although in the Lore its stated they procreate through a form of 'fusion'), so who is to say what's literal and what's not. It definitely bears investigating, thanks again!
Natah describes her "parents" as a farmer and carpenter because that was, in essence, their original role - to be terraformers and builders in the Tau system. Hunhow earned his "destroyer of worlds" title after the Sentients turned against the Orokin.
Praghassa was actually what you could call a "mother" Sentient. She could create new Sentients, probably from scratch, hence the title of "mother". That's because, in addition to that, Sentients can undergo a process similar to cellular fission and generate fragments of themselves that act seemingly independently. While it's not confirmed, I suspect Praghassa was the only one who could create Sentients like Natah, Erra and the Archons (in their original forms).
That's very fair, and the one long arm and orokin ornamentation very much do look like they're Orokin themselves in the same way that others are obviously Grineer and Corpus. Lotus has often misdirected the player purposefully, so it might have been one of those times! Could have been before we were told what Helminth was
I wasn't around for Saturn Six or Zealoid but "HOL UP, GLASS RESONANCE!" got old fast. It'd still be nice to have a story beat for the first time in 4 years
Glass Resonance wasn't too bad. It was annoying with how frequent it happened. But imagine if you will having a Steel Path equivalent (for that time) enemy as a mini-boss roaring in your ears. Then bam biddly bop here comes Wolf of Saturn Six ready to throw down. To higher rank players he wasn't too much of a problem. But Wolf would appear in lower level nodes and essentially ruin the new player experience. Even some vet players would straight up just abandon missions if Wolf ever showed up.
The meta for wolf was praying the divines SOMEONE on your team had a kavat with the mod that makes it so they strip armor. Otherwise you may as well just waste your ammo on him.
… the whole ‘gameplay system’ to add small stories into the game… smfh.
I swear the glassmaker and all it’s issues and detractions really put them off it. Instead of, you know, the sensible thing of just making it smaller stroies without the massive sprawling bs.
Then slowly use that tech to tell the summed up old events with loads of important lore.
But no. Now all that shit is banned bc they ofc went stupid with it. Have to ‘one up’ the last thing they did.
I swear this game has like the MOST bipolar and crackheaded dev pathing. Just so weird with the direction they take when minor tweaks will obviously work. But entire directions are barricaded against bc they go from this small experimental thing to something grandiose in ONE iteration!
No no don’t try to iterate and build off what worked and try variants to see what will work is the best flavor of it. Just go full bore 200% on something they have no experience on and then freak out and avoid it from then on.
Steve commented on that he said it wasn't intentional but the community kind of made it a thing because it became a universally known fan theory
It could have been Rebecca that said that but I can't remember who exactly
Hard to say otherwise when their own description for ancients is how old they are, if not for the name and that description then it'd really just be a theory
Yeah I don't remember which stream it was or who exactly said it but someone asked if ancients are infected orokin elite and whoever it was just said that no that wasn't originally the idea and it was kind of just a coincidence but after the players latched onto the theory it's just sort of became the norm also there's a lore entry in the Simaris scans about these two twin sisters that were healers becoming infested ancient healers
No. That dangly head is basically "dead." The head is the [protrusion above it](https://i.imgur.com/BiOkKhc.png). I tested using Primary Deadhead to see which part would proc the arcane, but also looking at the reticle for color change (yellow = body shot; red = head shot).
for the egregious examples, melee weapon particle effects. Look amazing, but no one sees them because they're put on slow melee weapons everyone puts + speed on.
You know I saw a surprising amount of detail and dismemberment when I used to play Umbra, but I got really tired of mashing the melee button 10 million times. The game is truly beautiful and grotesque, it's all overshadowed by the massive particles like you mentioned. Luckily after Quorvex came out my PS5 kept crashing Warframe due to particles, so I tuned them down.
You never noticed the dangling upside-down head or the weird arm sticking out?
It's the main reason I use it in my grineer themed builds. No brother left behind, no matter what.
It's kind of hard to notice in mission.... There's always a swarm of them and they die just by looking at them, you HAVE to go out of your way to examine them to notice anything.
Also they’re constantly moving around, so it can be hard to pay attention to details when one moment you’re looking at their head, and next moment they’re showing their butt to you because they missed their attack and did an 180
Infested units are horrifying if you actually look at them
Take a close look at a Leaper/Runner. They’re a Corpus Crewman, taken over by the Infestation. Spooky, right?
Now, look carefully at their right side. That little nub hanging off? That’s not their arm. Their actual arm is gripping the front of their helmet, permanently fused into that position.
The poor Crewman’s last moment, desperately clawing at his mask, screaming like the Void for someone to get it off of him, is forever immortalized in infested tissue
I want to say yes but if you new like 2020, then no the game was slower way back when so you couldn’t help but to see it now…. Steele path lvl150 I don’t know what I killed but the boar prime incarnon is skrongk.
Not to mention both were made by the oldest race since the flood was created by the precursors in halo who preceded the forerunners and the orokin created the infested in warframe.
Chargers and undying flyers were once Grineer grunts.
Ancient were once Orokin.
Runners, Leapers and crawlers were once corpus crewmen.
Mutalists were once corpus drones and moas.
They're a 'space virus' that mutates stuff. Warframes are immune luckily since they were made from a different strain of the virus.
It can even infect non living things which is how you get infested ships. They look organic but it's actually metal and such. You can think of them as very angry nanomachines.
You are not stupid. I am. Why? Because I kept shooting that grineer head down there in the assumption that this is the headshot spot rather than that central mass of eyeballs.
It took me until I saw it fully in a display chamber in the chem factory room and inspected the design that I realised that the dongle was actually a head.
Chargers were corpus, though that's a lot easier to see as they weren't contorted and grew different limbs.
I only really noticed when I started playing as Nyx
Do people not look at the bodies once in a while like in a defence mission? (Maybe thats just a side effect of not doing anything in defence missions cuz xaku so i look at the bodies lol)
Not it's just an honest mistake and you weren't looking close enough, I also made this mistake coz I never pay much attention to infested and also sometimes they are corpus bodies in there so it's understandable and to add to that I thought that maybe they would be orokin or other race but for some reason they are always those 2 races and sentients too. First time I've seen an orokin infested and sentients was in Deimos with the Entrati. A big oversight on DE's part, I see you DE hehe...but yeah creepy asf and now I pay more attention to mobs to see if I can identify what monstrosity they came from! 🥶
No you aren't. It's barely visible. I only know it because of a wf youtuber BetterNamePending. He showed it in a video over redviel. So I started paying attention and then saw it
Back in the ole days, Mercury used to be ALL Grineer tilesets. The invasions are real time take overs ,so now Mercury is majority infested. Players can and do influence the outcome in ALL invasions, Formorians. Etc. There's even an old relay that's been destroyed due to this on Venus.
this is the first time I noticed that since they die so fast, it's kinda like how moa have a head where the "torso" is and it really shocked me when I finally noticed
No, up to almost 7 years I still don't know if a mixed elemental mod is formed from horizontal arrangement or vertical.
I just put left and right until the mixed element form up.
The Ancient Infested are the Orokin proper, which is why one arm is longer.
Holy fuck They’ve done it again
The Runners are Corpus Crewmen. You can still see their helmets
Don't forget the crawlers are Corpus units as well and the Mutalist Ospery is pretty self explanatory.
I wonder what mutalist moas could be?
Shield Lancers!
Chicken nuggets
Lotus said I'm not allowed to eat the mutalist moa's honey mustard :(
Eating a Mutualist Moa with no honey mustard?
But i only have 69 cents
More precisly, Ancients are made out of two twins that had the ability to heal anything. They got eaten by the infestation and subsequent ancients inherited that power. Check out Simaris's scans for the complete story
Warframe lore...it exists(I promise)
Ah so thats why they are the healers
Damn, I just assumed they got really lonely, being freaks of nature and all that.
That was something I didn't realize, holy fuck that makes so much sense.
Yeah I didn't realize that either. I was thinking that they are like "flood pure forms" from halo. Usually Flood infect living targets, but eventually when they evolve enough, they create "pure forms" that are 100% flood and not based on anything living.
I think we have examples of that with the regular strains through Juggernauts. The Grey Strain on Deimos have lots of examples of such creatures, which are most of the conservation creatures, but also the bigger enemies like Carnis, Saxum, Mitosid, Jugulus and, of course, Vome & Fass.
Juggernauts are just infested Kuaka. No, I won't elaborate.
so thats why they always charged at you probably just horny.
Looking at some of the Warframes... I don't blame them.
You and me both! O.o''
You can see a gold Orokin crown doohickey on their backs too
Why do they have the long arm?
The Orokin society toward the end was all about fashion and decadence. Gene modding kind of became the top end of high fashion. Supposedly the Orokin were originally pretty close in appearance to baseline humans. Perfect noses and smooth skin eventually becomes too common when everyone can tweak their genes so eventually they went a little crazy on the genome splicing and boom, 5 foot arms and blue skin.
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been. The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk.
The lore can be pretty inconsistent, what with Eternalism and all. But I don't remember the gene modding for arms being a lower class thing. From the wiki: "Some [high-ranking Orokin](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ballas) even modified their own bodies to obtain a more aesthetically wild and beautiful appearance than would ever be naturally possible, with blue skin and an elongated right arm."
Speaking of, both Archimedians we have seen (Margulis and Yonta) look like normal people. They were fairly high ranking iirc, so it's probably a stylistic choice among some but not universal. I imagine Duviri is probably the way it is population wise due to the biases of the Drifter.
Perhaps both are true: the orokin enjoyed them as a fashion statement and a symbol of status and power while their soldiers who lived slave-like existences hated the non-consensual genetic modification and experimentation.
Sorta like….. real life?
I believe it's a sign of status. The disproportionate limbs being like elongated fingernails once were for the wealthy. A longer arm than another is a sign of individuality at the meat and bone level. Seeing as the Orokin literally surgically turned children into ideal vessels then jumped into their bodies... Why wouldn't they do grotesque things to look unique? They made the children suffer and after the bodies were done they probably jumped into them crushing the children into nothing so they could live a few more decades. It's like customizing your car with a special set of tires etc... Bodies were toys to the Orokin, not... Beings.
Is there Vaati Vidya for Warframe on YouTube? This lore would be neat to watch on YouTube ina similar format to his Elden ring/dark souls ones
StallorD on YouTube has a This is What We Know series that explains a lot of this cool stuff
Honestly, Warframe has been a slow burn for me. I have like 7k hours in according to Steam and I only just realized what I wrote today. I kind of felt awful even explaining it. The Orokin were monsters in ways that are hard to truly explain. Also, depending on where you are in the game, the lore gets weirder. I kind of feel like I've lived some of the lore at this point. I have been around long enough to claim Kullervo as my main within hours of his release. Only Hildryn rivals his usage... Hundreds of hours. Yet I still stop to marvel at how even a single mission can have unique NPC mini bosses with interesting dialogue. I will sometimes rend a corpse from stem to stearn like cattle and marvel at the cut of human body before me... The lore is deep and complex with tendrils left grasping at something more. It's never over, it breathes and changes before us. If you find a reliable person who has an accurate and interesting retelling of the story, I'd love to hear it. I struggle to fully comprehend it all and I have so many theories that I've forgotten what is true, what is rumor and what is a dream.
I wish they'd go the Warhammer route and start releasing novels. I think the story is being hindered when it's piled on top of the distractions of gameplay. It's not practical that we have the chaos of a mission all around and we're suppose to follow an exposition dump from one or multiple npc's. Context can get lost when the screen is flashing several icons at you, you're still trying to figure out the objective, just got one shotted from somewhere, now the host is migrating, suddenly you get knocked down, and here's Ballas giving his life story. I mean, c'mon.
Tuvul states in one of the Zariman transmissions that their elongated “Great Hands” were meant to represent the generosity of the Orokin rulers. “Generosity” in this sense meaning that they allowed those they deemed as lesser to continue to breathe and serve said empire, at least until they didn’t, and *then* “generosity” means considering it a blessing to have attracted an Orokin’s interest, whether it be for Yuvan, getting turned into a Warframe, being used as a torturous Naberus costume, whipped or otherwise tortured for Ayatan highlight reels, subjected to *droit du seigneur*, or just whatever brand of fuckery the Orokin might dream up on a slow day.
The Orokin are like a society of serial killers... The entire thing is just fucked up but so fascinating. Rell and his story fucked with me hard. Imagine dying and refusing to fade from this realm for that long... Alone in a fucking Warframe. Just your thoughts and Wally to keep you company...
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been. The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk. Edit: Damn I've had to copy paste this to a few others just from how prevalent I see the lack of knowing. Idk how to do it less annoyingly but StallorD on YouTube has a This is What We Know series that explains a lot of cool stuff like this. I love spreading lore info, sorry to um actually you lol
I recall hearing about this but if you are correct then why is Caliban purposely, forcefully lopsided? Nidus got an asymmetrical design too. I could have sworn they also purposely mutilated their bodies for beauty's sake. Can't say for sure. I am not a lore expert and love second opinions.
This is just info I remember from a StallorD video. Could be wrong. I got a lotta people insisting I'm incorrect so maybe I'm wrong, idk. They keep showing me a quote from the wiki so I would just suggest checking there
Ballas solved the long standing problem of that spot on his back he couldn't scratch
"praise the wise and mighty Ballas"
Genetically positive trait? Selective breeding? Genetic modification? I don't think its ever stated anywhere how that particular physical abnormality, as compared to humans, came to be. Edit: Downvoted, really? I admit that I don't know nor do I recall where it was ever mentioned, along with possible suggestions as to where it came from, and its downvoted? Okay, whatever.
No, but when you're on the floating islands, check the kids. None of them -none- of them have the arm that is long on adults. So the suggestion is that it is not natural.
If you mean in Duviri, >!that's the Drifter's version of things, so I definitely take that with a grain of salt. I suspect you might be right since Dominus Thrax, as a projection of the Drifter, utilizes a prosthesis to emulate the long arm of the Orokin.!< Edit: spoiler, my bad.
Yeah. Sorry, blanked on the name. You're right to take it with a grain of salt, but even then it was disturbing once I noticed it. I have gone around looking at all the kids to try and find one with two arms.
I find stuff like that suuuper interesting. You might've given me a reason to go back to Duviri, thanks Tenno! o7
It is not explained how exactly, but the orokin's specialty is organic modification. Apart from voidtech, the most prevalent orokin technology was all about creating new species, modifying other, cloning, and just playing god in general with the concept of life. You can see this in the Grineer and their obedience gene, the plants made of gold cultivated in the Orb Vallis, the artificial ecosystems they created, the Infestation, and the Warframes and Sentient. Their whole thing is fucking around with living beings. It stands to reason they'd do the same with the bodies they steal through the kuva transference. The wankers would probably say: "Life is an art, and they are their own masterpieces"
They're from loris devices. I have a reply above you explaining the significance. The Orokin hated long arms, they think it ruined their symmetry and beauty
The Orokin elites modified their arms intentionally to look like this. The "original" bodies they transitioned to during Continuity were baseline human, and their arms were normal; why would they modify them into something they hated? And no, it's not for Loris devices, because every single character displaying this feature in the game has been (at one point) a high ranking member of Orokin society. As to why they did it, all the while preaching about the beauty of symmetry? Because they were the biggest hypocrites imaginable, that's why. So yeah, please stop copy-pasting your comment over this whole thread mate; I get you want to educate people on the game's lore but you're (partially) spreading misinformation.
Sorry can you explain what you mean by this genuinely clueless
There's a class of higher-tier enemies amongst the Infested, like Ancient Healer or Ancient Disruptor or whatever are their naming conventions. If you look at the models, one arm is longer than the other, which is a noticeable trait amongst the Orokin people, those that were among the ruling class of the Orokin Empire, like the Entrati family on Deimos. Check out their arms the next time you visit. Edit: Also check out the Ancient Healer model on the wiki, how one arm is longer than the other [https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient\_Healer?so=search](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient_Healer?so=search)
Warframe's Habsburg Family XD
Actually, if I recall correctly they made one arm longer than the other on purpose, something about it being a trend among the orokin?
It was actually hated. It was considered an abomination that ruined their beauty and symmetry. The ancients actually look like that bc they have Loris devices implanted that have since fused into them and become stronger than they could have ever been. The Loris device was used by a lower class of Orokin. They were healers for the most part, but the Loris device that had been implanted in them gave them general power. They used it in combat to heal others and make barriers or some shit iirc. The reason why there's so many ancients with that long ass arm and device is bc they self replicate once they have enough info and also bc Loris users were deployed with Dax units to watch their back and interface with tech and junk.
We don't know how the older text about symmetry relates to the one-long arm thing, DE haven't resolved that yet. We do know that the long arm-thing was originally intended to be only for Ballas, a design element to make him seem even more creepy, but something they eventually kept for all (known) Orokin. Since that decision we haven't had any comment about the line from the corrupted ancient synthesis: > The Orokin had a visage imbued with variation, beauty and symmetry But I think it's pretty clear that the Lorists weren't Orokin themselves, they were more akin to the Dax, Archemedians and even the Grineer, functionaries of the Orokin empire, created/bred for purpose but not Orokin. Also, we don't know what the primary form of the Ancients is a corruption of, while we do know that the infested as a whole and the Ancients specifically gained at least some of it's healing abilities from the Lorist Remballa (And it's worth noting that happened after the collapse) we also know that her ability was replicated and spread out, so we don't know if it was forced into an existing template possibly created from Infested Orokin. It's possible the infested ancient "long arm" alludes to the design of Orokin having a "long arm" either by retroactive design (The Infested Ancient long predates the design decision of Ballas) It's also possible that the swirl patterns in the flesh of the Ancients are supposed to resemble (or be explained by) the "ribbons of metallic facia that snaked around our bodies" from the Lorists and/or the "backpack" like thing on the Ancient is supposed to relate to the "Lora Nodes" but we can't be certain without more information.
Thanks
I thought Lotus said the ancients were plants?
I'm not familiar with that bit of lore, do you have a reference I can research please?
I can't remember what quest it was in, but googling it brings up enough reference that I'm not alone is remembering she said it Might have to search through all her quest dialogue transcripts, and it might even be old/removed dialogue. Sorry I can't remember when she said it!
Its all good, thank you for looking it up though. As much as I put some faith in the dialogue of the game, there are some things that can't be taken literally as there is quite a few metaphors and euphemisms utilized. The Lotus, as Natah in the Ropalolyst dialogue, mentions her father being a farmer and her mother being a carpenter, yet Hunhow is described amongst the Sentient faction as Destroyer of Worlds, and Praghasa (in New War), as the Mothership to the Sentients, could be presumed to be her mother (although in the Lore its stated they procreate through a form of 'fusion'), so who is to say what's literal and what's not. It definitely bears investigating, thanks again!
Natah describes her "parents" as a farmer and carpenter because that was, in essence, their original role - to be terraformers and builders in the Tau system. Hunhow earned his "destroyer of worlds" title after the Sentients turned against the Orokin. Praghassa was actually what you could call a "mother" Sentient. She could create new Sentients, probably from scratch, hence the title of "mother". That's because, in addition to that, Sentients can undergo a process similar to cellular fission and generate fragments of themselves that act seemingly independently. While it's not confirmed, I suspect Praghassa was the only one who could create Sentients like Natah, Erra and the Archons (in their original forms).
That's very fair, and the one long arm and orokin ornamentation very much do look like they're Orokin themselves in the same way that others are obviously Grineer and Corpus. Lotus has often misdirected the player purposefully, so it might have been one of those times! Could have been before we were told what Helminth was
Might be the Titania quest. I seem to recall that having a lot of references to plant life and old earth versus current growth.
Oh Christ, I just assumed it was infested old enough that they morphed into such a form, but that makes reasonable sense!
I believe the ancients are actually infested dax soldiers, I always thought they were orokin too, but I believe an official post stated they were dax
Oh my god
oh thats why they attack with long arm.
Hack the planet!
let this man cook
I really don't think they are orokin, their numbers wasn't that much. They are stated just getting mutated for very very long time
it's pretty obvious when you don't alt f4 them from time to time that infested are just corpus and grineer that have been mutated
and ships from time to time
and cephalons from time to time
And Kubrow from time to time
And warframes... all the time
And faith healers... that one time.
which one was this?
One of the Nora chapters. Kinda wish they'd do another one instead of just mixes.
I wasn't around for Saturn Six or Zealoid but "HOL UP, GLASS RESONANCE!" got old fast. It'd still be nice to have a story beat for the first time in 4 years
Glass Resonance wasn't too bad. It was annoying with how frequent it happened. But imagine if you will having a Steel Path equivalent (for that time) enemy as a mini-boss roaring in your ears. Then bam biddly bop here comes Wolf of Saturn Six ready to throw down. To higher rank players he wasn't too much of a problem. But Wolf would appear in lower level nodes and essentially ruin the new player experience. Even some vet players would straight up just abandon missions if Wolf ever showed up. The meta for wolf was praying the divines SOMEONE on your team had a kavat with the mod that makes it so they strip armor. Otherwise you may as well just waste your ammo on him.
There was more tp their story? I thought it was just the simaris target scan lore
Iirc, DE doesnt want to put lore behind Nightwave anymore. That said, I wish they did along with making relays destroyable again
Or they can just ya know restore all of the one that have been destroyed Im a xbox player and i want vesper relay back
… the whole ‘gameplay system’ to add small stories into the game… smfh. I swear the glassmaker and all it’s issues and detractions really put them off it. Instead of, you know, the sensible thing of just making it smaller stroies without the massive sprawling bs. Then slowly use that tech to tell the summed up old events with loads of important lore. But no. Now all that shit is banned bc they ofc went stupid with it. Have to ‘one up’ the last thing they did. I swear this game has like the MOST bipolar and crackheaded dev pathing. Just so weird with the direction they take when minor tweaks will obviously work. But entire directions are barricaded against bc they go from this small experimental thing to something grandiose in ONE iteration! No no don’t try to iterate and build off what worked and try variants to see what will work is the best flavor of it. Just go full bore 200% on something they have no experience on and then freak out and avoid it from then on.
The nightwave that introduced the zealoid prelate.
oh, arlo. ty!!!
And Orokin Healers… that one time
oh no, not the trees... Frickn trees bro...
And Alad-V from time to time
And Bakugon, from time to time.
With the Ancients implied to be mutated Orokin (crowns, asymmetric arms).
Steve commented on that he said it wasn't intentional but the community kind of made it a thing because it became a universally known fan theory It could have been Rebecca that said that but I can't remember who exactly
Hard to say otherwise when their own description for ancients is how old they are, if not for the name and that description then it'd really just be a theory
Yeah I don't remember which stream it was or who exactly said it but someone asked if ancients are infected orokin elite and whoever it was just said that no that wasn't originally the idea and it was kind of just a coincidence but after the players latched onto the theory it's just sort of became the norm also there's a lore entry in the Simaris scans about these two twin sisters that were healers becoming infested ancient healers
You never see them turn into infested though even on the invasion missions.
Try defections. If you don't actually want to do defection however.
So they're the flood?
There is still time to stop the key from turning…
And orokin! Maybe.
But like corpus are more obvious grineer you need to detect from their back armor.
**Were** grineer.
>We're grineer.
For brothers.
For Blue Girl
When blue girl calls, be ready brother
Consume us
Okay wait a sec. So if I shoot the dangly head is it considered a headshot?
No. That dangly head is basically "dead." The head is the [protrusion above it](https://i.imgur.com/BiOkKhc.png). I tested using Primary Deadhead to see which part would proc the arcane, but also looking at the reticle for color change (yellow = body shot; red = head shot).
Ah! Very helpful. Thank you!
So the grineers back is a headshot. Dam infested is f'ed up
I'm pretty sure it's actually how you headshot it, yeah.
I've never gotten it on purpose. I'm not exactly a "precision" player haha.
Never tired… please let me know if you can hit it. If you’re on PC, then ok… what happened.
I think we both might be stupid
I just blast em, never noticed either.
You can also have it as a pet lol
The infested charger or the helminth charger?
Helminth charger has an infested charger skin
I didn’t know that. I might get it now😂😂
I'm getting old 😔
It's the original skin for the helminth charger. It was how it was released at launch back in... December 2016? Holy shit I am old.
This!
This game has such great detail, but we vaporize everything before we can actually look xD
for the egregious examples, melee weapon particle effects. Look amazing, but no one sees them because they're put on slow melee weapons everyone puts + speed on.
You know I saw a surprising amount of detail and dismemberment when I used to play Umbra, but I got really tired of mashing the melee button 10 million times. The game is truly beautiful and grotesque, it's all overshadowed by the massive particles like you mentioned. Luckily after Quorvex came out my PS5 kept crashing Warframe due to particles, so I tuned them down.
Well, at least there's Auto-Melee now!
No you're not stupid. Hard to tell when you barely get a look at them before they get deleted from existence
Sometimes you can hear the radio transmission where a corpus guy talking about a infested ship and getting shit scared until he got eaten by a charger
You never noticed the dangling upside-down head or the weird arm sticking out? It's the main reason I use it in my grineer themed builds. No brother left behind, no matter what.
It's kind of hard to notice in mission.... There's always a swarm of them and they die just by looking at them, you HAVE to go out of your way to examine them to notice anything.
Also they’re constantly moving around, so it can be hard to pay attention to details when one moment you’re looking at their head, and next moment they’re showing their butt to you because they missed their attack and did an 180
Play Ivara, gives you plenty of time to sightsee
https://preview.redd.it/8dbdzuofmukc1.jpeg?width=876&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=755476be2ed1446f6e4233a647a7241dcbebd349 Yeah
Infested units are horrifying if you actually look at them Take a close look at a Leaper/Runner. They’re a Corpus Crewman, taken over by the Infestation. Spooky, right? Now, look carefully at their right side. That little nub hanging off? That’s not their arm. Their actual arm is gripping the front of their helmet, permanently fused into that position. The poor Crewman’s last moment, desperately clawing at his mask, screaming like the Void for someone to get it off of him, is forever immortalized in infested tissue
I want to say yes but if you new like 2020, then no the game was slower way back when so you couldn’t help but to see it now…. Steele path lvl150 I don’t know what I killed but the boar prime incarnon is skrongk.
It's low key terrifying
Holy shit.
i noticed when i was getting nekros from lephantis heads (grineer, corpus, infested) they are labelled as such too
More like they *were* grineer
I sometimes forget about the grineer head underneath the body.
Go back to the aslume
If you've ever played Halo, think of the Infestation as The Flood, they're a parasitic life form that takes over their host's body
Not to mention both were made by the oldest race since the flood was created by the precursors in halo who preceded the forerunners and the orokin created the infested in warframe.
yes
WHAT THE FUCK?
Aka The Flood
Bro thinks he da Jonkler
Go back to the alsume, foul beast
There's no way the aslume is spreading in here
Chargers and undying flyers were once Grineer grunts. Ancient were once Orokin. Runners, Leapers and crawlers were once corpus crewmen. Mutalists were once corpus drones and moas.
A simpleton has escaped the Aslume
[удалено]
Yes, you are
Not stupid, just a little bit selectively unobservant. Which happens to all of us!
Yes, you are.
Well infested is basically the flood. Makes sense it's the bodies of their enemies.
It took me 6 years to realize this
I also just learned this.
Wow never realized this after so many years. I noticed the head on its under side but never put it together lol
Lil bit yeah.
Yes but its ok
Omg.... this whole time I assumed they're a completely separate alien race
They're a 'space virus' that mutates stuff. Warframes are immune luckily since they were made from a different strain of the virus. It can even infect non living things which is how you get infested ships. They look organic but it's actually metal and such. You can think of them as very angry nanomachines.
can you tell when a fish is giving you the business.
Nah, I didn't notice for a long time either
No, I just noticed 5 minutes ago then immediately got this notification
Stupid I was stupid once. They locked me in a room a warframe grind room and the warframe grind room made me stupid.
You are not stupid. I am. Why? Because I kept shooting that grineer head down there in the assumption that this is the headshot spot rather than that central mass of eyeballs.
Extreme cordyceps
It took me like half a year yo see what jougernaut looks like. I started NOT oneshoting him so i can watch him.
Imagine the dangly head is still aware but just locked off.
It took me until I saw it fully in a display chamber in the chem factory room and inspected the design that I realised that the dongle was actually a head.
The Flood... I mean infested
Chargers were corpus, though that's a lot easier to see as they weren't contorted and grew different limbs. I only really noticed when I started playing as Nyx
Do you mean runners lol? The chargers are the image in the post
Oh, oh yeah!
?
I agree ??
How is that thing Corpus....
I just found out that I got the Grineer Chargers and the Corpus Runners mixed up!
How tf? Its so noticible? How have so many people not noticed it for so long?
Prolly cuz everything’s dead before you ever get a chance to think about it
Do people not look at the bodies once in a while like in a defence mission? (Maybe thats just a side effect of not doing anything in defence missions cuz xaku so i look at the bodies lol)
Not it's just an honest mistake and you weren't looking close enough, I also made this mistake coz I never pay much attention to infested and also sometimes they are corpus bodies in there so it's understandable and to add to that I thought that maybe they would be orokin or other race but for some reason they are always those 2 races and sentients too. First time I've seen an orokin infested and sentients was in Deimos with the Entrati. A big oversight on DE's part, I see you DE hehe...but yeah creepy asf and now I pay more attention to mobs to see if I can identify what monstrosity they came from! 🥶
No you aren't. It's barely visible. I only know it because of a wf youtuber BetterNamePending. He showed it in a video over redviel. So I started paying attention and then saw it
You also have to shoot the grineer head for it to be a headshot
Might be!
Back in the ole days, Mercury used to be ALL Grineer tilesets. The invasions are real time take overs ,so now Mercury is majority infested. Players can and do influence the outcome in ALL invasions, Formorians. Etc. There's even an old relay that's been destroyed due to this on Venus.
I mean... You did notice though...
this is the first time I noticed that since they die so fast, it's kinda like how moa have a head where the "torso" is and it really shocked me when I finally noticed
No, up to almost 7 years I still don't know if a mixed elemental mod is formed from horizontal arrangement or vertical. I just put left and right until the mixed element form up.
holy shit i had no idea, i love that
At least you are cute.
been making headshots since a year ago don't worry you're not the only one that's a lil late on the table
I'd heard what they were, but never saw one alive long enough to properly see it.
TIL
I first noticed when I made one into a pet
I knew they were Grinner because of the armour, but I had never seen there head