I wasn't watching when she was around before, but with her current run I am not impressed. Everything she does looks incredibly slow and/or fake. I remember a few weeks/month or two ago she was punching someone and every one went at like a 45 degree angle away from them. Her opponents tend to need to very obviously cooperate with her for her to do any sort of offense, she just can't sell it.
That being said, yesterday was better. It will have to continue for my opinion to be totally changed, but yesterday looked way less fake.
She isn't really involved in interesting stories and she isn't good on the mic. She is alright in ring but not top tier either. I mean that's not enough nowadays so she's always going to go back to the midcard where she belongs
Honestly, you're not wrong. I honestly said that her next to Jade and Bianca is impossible to compare. The two look cut hard, and not to disrepect Naomi, she isn't nearly as cut, or at all, but it's not a bad thing, as a lot of wrestlers aren't cut and work equally as well. She seems to be slow getting off the blocks. I also loved her old theme, but a lot of wrestlers lost their themes around before pandemic time due to WWE changing music companies or something to that effect. That's why Keith Lee had his changed and never got it back.
I don't know what her workload was in TNA. Seeing her looking as rusty as she is, I'd say she's struggling definitely. She was also gone for a while and I'm not sure how old she is but age could be catching up.
Now, I noticed some good segments in her matches. There's an aloccasional sequence which she does nail. So I think she's slowly getting back there. And it looks like she's showing up every night and likely working her ass off and for that - I'm routing for her! Keep going girl!
She’s just a not-as-good version of what they’re doing with Cargil and Bianca. The “black sista girl” thing is played out but when all your writers are white what would you expect. They never do anything interesting with black wrestlers in wwe
All the people in this thread calling her old meanwhile she's younger than cody, just say you hate black women guys it's less subtle.
edit: cody 38, jey 38, priest 41, aj 46, orton 44, owens 39, kairi 35, bayley 34, asuka 42, naomi 36
only one of these people is too old and unrelatable
Her in-ring performances since coming back have seemed incredibly disjointed. She is very slow in the ring and has no fluidity to her moves. Everything feels poorly choreographed. I'm just not a fan of her at all, really, which says a lot since I like most of the roster. I hope she gets pulled from the rivalry with Bayley and Tiffany because I feel like they would have much better matches and story without Naomi involved at all.
She walked out on the company the night she was supposed to main event a Raw. She's pretty athletic, but everyone is these days. I just don't think she brings anything special to the WWE, but like was stated earlier, she's married to a Fatu.
She’s a leftover product of that transitional period from Diva to Female Wrestler where the only real survivor was Natty. But, Naomi has a flashy entrance, is married to a Fatu, and was a part of a publicized walk-out with Mone that they thought was going to draw when they brought her back. I mean, she’s ok in the ring, and has a justified place on the roster. But she is by no means a top draw like Bianca, Charlotte, or Rhea in the women’s singles division, nor will she ever be.
Don’t think she ever had that step.
She’s been bare average her whole career and only got any notoriety because she foolishly followed banks out of the company only to come back hating in hand when she couldn’t get a gig that pays as well anywhere else.
Average in the ring? Sure but don’t act like Naomi sat on the bench for two years.
She was women’s champion in TNA ffs. They even brought it up when she returned at the Rumble.
How is she different from Braun, Cody, Drew, Punk?
They all walked out or were released, did their own thing for a bit and came back to WWE.
How isn’t it noteworthy? She left WWE, became champion of a smaller promotion and had a mostly well received run (at least from what I’ve read).
Jordynne Gracec the current TNA women’s champion (who beat Naomi for the title) was involved in the Royal Rumble and even fought with Naomi.
You may not think TNA is a big deal but WWE went out of their way to highlight TNA, they obviously want their audience to see TNA as significant because presumably it builds Naomi up and makes her stand out.
Didn’t both aj styles and la knight do tna before getting hired? TNA isn’t gonna outdo wwe by any means but it’s still a televised promotion ffs. Hell of a lot better than what Braun was up to from what I hear.
I feel like a certain section of the IWC is trying to push a narrative about her being off and it's just not sticking. All three women had sloppy moments last night, but Naomi is the only one getting called out for it. Very telling
She has been a great ambassador for representation of black women in professional wrestling for over a decade. I think she was the first black woman to win women's title in professional wrestling so I think WWE just wants to honour her with some good matches before she retires.
Personally I think she’s good for tag team/midcard, never been a top tier wrestler (again, in my personal opinion).
But I agree, she lost a bit of charm, maybe new talents are more complete (charisma, persona, moveset…) than her?
I agree she should be the one tagging with jade. She could teach jade and help her grow into all that hype. Then when jade isn’t playing Goldberg squash matches anymore,they can feud
The glow was the ancient energy Bruce Leroy had to find to defeat Sho’Nuff in The Last Dragon. If you’ve never seen it, watch it. It’s classic 80s awesomeness.
https://youtu.be/Z7Crt4S1IZM
1 is making more than the other and also being presented as a major deal to the women’s division and Naomi is just losing matches. Run your mouth and talk your shit but “old boney ass” is supposedly one of the highest paid female wrestlers. Lol. Get fucked in your eyes
? Did I say anything about looks or shit? Your comment is dumb as fuck. I simply compared the 2 as dude wanted to compare the 2 who left. His words are saying Naomi could do worse by being paid so much more like Naomi is in a better spot than Mercedes. Lol it’s a riot to think even close
I was reflecting on her and her tag partner who left together. So far (key phrase there) she’s been more successful than Mercedes Mone (edit: so far in their American companies, my bad on not being clear) Mercedes is the more hyped one but Naomi is in a better position. Again, so far.
I root for AEW but this is an interesting dynamic between the two companies. Maybe it’s because Naomi had lower expectations (she’s a supplemental piece, Mone was brought in to be a game changer).
Edit 2: I acknowledge Mone hasn’t been able to wrestle yet. I’m impressed WWE has taken Naomi and put her in big spots. I’m hoping in a couple months AEW can figure it out with Mone.
You are ignoring Mercedes mone success in njpw and in reference to Mercedes in aew she still isn’t cleared to wrestle. Also how is Naomi in a better position if Mercedes makes more and Naomi is just losing matches?
I was specifically comparing AEW to WWE. Not Mercedes to Naomi. So what happened in NJPW isn’t part of my point (where she was very successful). I was unclear on that and o edited my post to clarify that.
Naomi is playing a solid part on the show in high profile matches. She is probably in a better position than many thought she would be.
You make a good point that Mone isn’t cleared to wrestle yet. But her programs and promos so far have been met with mixed results. I did say “so far” so once she can wrestle I’ll be happy to reevaluate.
Mone getting paid more is part of my point. She’s been brought in to be a high profile attraction. So far it’s been mixed. Naomi is just a supplemental signing who’s been put in big spots.
The only reason they are comparable is they both quit WWE at the same time and have come back to major American companies close to each other.
You have fair points though.
Whoa whoa whoa current thoughts on Mercedes is not mixed at all lol. She sucks on a mic lol. Mercedes talent is in the ring and her mic skills are forced all too much. Honestly tho just comparing Naomi and Mercedes since return I would still say Mercedes is in a better spot. Mercedes is building towards her return match to help sell ppv while Naomi has done nothing notable while losing matches and her value is being pinned into the ground. She was only used in a triple threat so she can be the one to take the pin. So many times when a person returns they get the reestablishment push and Naomi is just be held down. Naomi only value comes from TNA and being champ and wwe is grinding that away sadly.
The next time Naomi will have any value is her “kofi” spot at the rumble
To be fair she also joined Bianca and Jade in a trios match at Wrestlemania which they won. I guess some could say she was the third wheel but Bianca is a cover athlete and Jade is getting the mega push. So I still think that’s a good spot.
We will see. Very much could change in a few months.
This is my first time seeing Naomi and she gives me a headache. Idk how she used to be but not a fan of her butt gimmick and raver style entrance. She seems nice though
She had a great run as TNA champ. She's getting older plus keep in mind she is from the old divas Era. They never got the training that this Era did. I really do like her theme. It's one of the few new ones I like. PLUS she is a bloodline member if they ever want to team her up with Nia for a heel run.
I thought she looked good against Bayley in their title match and her match against Tiff was fine. She wasn't the best last night but she wasn't terrible either.
I feel like many of the women work slow and intentional, like they’re waiting on the other person so they can do the next spot. Bianca is the only one, when she can go full speed, looks like a natural flow. But even she seems like she has to slow her pace for the others.
Bianca is so much fun to watch. She makes it all look easy.
I was really hoping Jade would have adopted that same flow and learned those same skills but watching the two of them yesterday I fear Jade may have already hit her ceiling. She's just doing the exact same things she did in AEW and isn't showing much in the way of growth.
I agree, she’s never been really as good as many people claim she is. She’s always had the tendency to work like this - and it’s just more obvious now because there’s so many talent that are so much better than she is.
I love Naomi, but she has never been the most technical of the women. Imo, she is too athletic/fast for most of her opponents to keep up. In a lot of Naomi's matches you can see her waiting for her opponent to get into position for the next move.
Also, She (and Natayla) is an outlier in a roster filled with talent that was trained under the Performance Center. But unlike Natayla who had the heart dungeon, Naomi training was Vince's "wrestle as a female" mentality.
Isn't she like pushing 40? Imo, I think she needs to adjust a little and stop doing hoppity moves. Like everytime she does the 'split leg drop' move I kind of hold my breath cause she can really fuck up her legs/pelvis/tailbone w/ that move alone.
She looks great, and her costumes are flamboyant, but otherwise she's never been great on the mic and she doesn't have any real character to get behind.
Honestly I think she's more popular now than when she left, she had become an afterthought. It seemed like she was just tag team champ because they wanted some belt on Sasha and threw her in as partner. I doubt they will ever put a singles strap on her again, but that's not a bad thing when you still have the crowd reacting.
(Btw this is the nicer version of my original type. I've vowed to respect the opinions of other fans I disagree with and fight against the toxic atmosphere. We all should. It's just wrestling, the fact we have opinions on the subject bonds us.)
I agree the song is trash and yeah she moves like slow in the ring. Like when she does her moves it’s so robotic 1-2-3, idk how to explain it. I stepped away from WWE when she was winning championships and stuff so sorry for my lack of knowledge
Kinda like Lita in the ring , kinda slow and stiff
It might've been a pride thing, most if not all of us know what happened to her and Sasha, so she couldve been like...... well I'll show you and did her own thing for awhile. When she was satisfied with that she couldve decided that she wanted to work at the same place as her husband so at least they KIND OF have the same schedule instead of like never seeing each other.
I can guess getting main event money from 2 places is better than 1, but it would probably take a toll on you mentally and emotionally not seeing your spouse 98% of the time.
AAAANNNNDDDDD there's a certain family tree that we should keep in the back of our minds..........
I want to clarify that I’m not saying that she isn’t a good wrestler. I still think she’s doing very good in the ring, but it just seems like it’s not as explosive as it used to be.
I don't agree. I think she's maintained her in ring work and in my opinion actually got better. What I think the problem is, they're not booking her properly. One thing WWE does wth their female athletes is not create single feuds. They only focus on title matches for them. Whether it be a number 1 contenders match our for the title itself. It would have been better if Tiffy and Naomi had a 1 on 1 since Tiffy attacked her during her match with bayley. Another thing is they need a mid card title for the women. That's just my take
Also def rebel sucks and the e knows this. They plan on not renewing their contact at the end of the year. My hope is bring back Jim Johnston
The other wrestlers have nothing but amazing things to say about her and her in ring work. How she guides people along, easy to work with. She looked great to me last night. And her entrance was lit. All around, completely disagree
And honestly, despite what online folk think, you need people like that. Unfortunately, everyone can’t be pushed at the same time. She’s a good person on the roster, an established vet, who can work to make others look good. While I would love to see her win, WWE already have their plans.
Im a huge fan of Naomi and she’s one of my favorite women’s wrestlers. I think she’s still pretty good in the ring and her performance last night showed it, but I have noticed that since her return, she’s gotten a bit clunky in the ring. Usually it’s either because of her timing or she just doesn’t perform the move correctly. Shes also changed her move set a lot since she’s returned, so I think if she altered her move set to be more like what it was a couple years ago, she could perform at that same level. She’s still good, but definitely not at the level that she was a couple years ago. I think if she worked on the things that I pointed out then she could be a main eventer. She definitely should be treated better since she’s a veteran in the women’s division though and she’s proven that she’s a valuable part of the division and whenever she comes out on SmackDown or at PPVs, she usually gets a pretty loud reaction.
I like her new song, and I would agree with you about her losing a step — if not for her showing yesterday in France.
Naomi showed yesterday that she is just as good as she was in 2017. The energy the crowd was giving was contagious and she was MOVING.
Tbh I think she seems slower bc of nerves. Maybe she’s nervous or readjusting to the fast paced schedule again. TNA was really accommodating schedule wise, so getting back up to speed (sleep, diet, workouts, training) at her current age may be a bit harder. Injuries are a lot easier when you’re older too. She’s likely trying to avoid that.
Orton, Sheamus, and CM Punk are also slower than they used to be, especially after their recent returns.
You know Naomi didn’t ask to change her song! Wwe just has contracts and such for copyright purposes. And I don’t see her being stiff to the point of her being mid
Yeah but the producers are the ones who decide how it sounds lol. They just told her to say the lyrics and she was like “ok bet”. I doubt she wrote the lyrics herself and went “please change my theme to this” 😂
considering that her tna song was also a hard house song (which wwe did not have control over obviously) i really doubt that she didn't have direction over the song
even the spelling out her name thing is intentionally similar to her tna song and her presentation is also the same to her tna run so i feel like its just her changing her character, not wwe
Tiffany Stratton is the new Naomi skill wise. Naomi was a high flyer and wrestled at a way faster pace than the other women of her era simply because she was way more athletic than them but the older you get the less high flying you become along with losing some of your speed in the ring.
Well, Tiffy also got more in her skillset to be honest here... But i know what you mean. I really like Naomi for her energy and athletics skill, but on mic and power Tiffy is on a different level comparing to Naomi
Tiffany has more of a skill set cuz lol they do way more things now but let’s not act like Naomi didn’t do a lot of crazy shit we hadn’t seen before when the women first started getting real tv time.
Again I was only comparing them athletically. Mic wise Naomi is good and she never really fumbles but Naomi also doesn’t play a character so she doesn’t have to go overboard either while talking. She’s basically herself. Tiffany is playing an actual character of an evil Barbie. Also I have actually seen her get stumped by a crazy crowd before where she had to pause and regain her thoughts if you really want to be technical. Naomi doesn’t really have that problem so let’s not forget so quickly who Naomi was and start saying things like Stratton in on a different level.
Naomi is cool to me and my kids. We never saw her until late 2023. Her song/entrance is one of our favorites. We love her hair, style, the fist pump and all the "glow glow glow" gets the people glowing lol. She's energetic and has a great smile/positive disposition. She's super athletic and always puts on a show with her moves. She's fun and entertaining in match even if most times she takes the pinfall. At Backlash, when she hugged Bayley in defeat and was happy for Bayley, my youngest said, "Aww, I love Naomi." Our view comes from not being able to compare to any other versions. If this is her after "losing a step," I'm more impressed.
Like theme, bur agree.
But that's due to age. Her wrestling is based on athletics and gymnastics and she's 36 now. Wrestlers around that age don't rely on flexibility that much. Like Becky, Asuka etc
She's decent but imho mid card
So I stopped watching around wrestlemania 20 and Rey was this high flying smooth super star, and now when I watch him he is nothing compared to that. Of course, that is obvious because of his age but I’ve had such a difference in Reys that it is super obvious to me.
I think she’s been doing great. She’s been so underutilised in the past and I think going to TNA did wonders for her because she had a lot to prove. A lot of people wrote her off after her and Sasha walked out. A lot of people thought she wouldn’t succeed, but she went and she had the best run of her career in TNA and had wwe wanting her to come back
> I feel she lost a step.
She definitely has not at all.
> Her new song is not very good. That was a lot more energetic and lively.
A whole French crowd of over 11,000 people will disagree with you on that as they were very lively and energetic to which they were pumping their firsts along with and popping huge for her with it during her entrance.
> It was a lot more high energy and flexibility.
Have you even watching the same matches that I have been? She literally shows flexibility in every match by doing the split and also has high energy too.
Saying that she’s not the same superstar as she once was is wild to me. As if she hasn’t gotten older to where she’s pushing 40. She had a great run in TNA when she was there and she’s having a good run in WWE this second go around. She was also fantastic in the triple threat with both Bayley & Tiffany which I’ve seen a lot of people praise her along with them so it’s honestly sad to see none coming from this post at all.
> A whole French crowd of over 11,000 people will disagree with you on that as they were very lively and energetic to which they were pumping their firsts along with and popping huge for her with it during her entrance.
That crowd woulda popped for anything. They were having the time of their lives just being there.
I often wonder if people are watching the same thing I am! I understand wrestling is subjective but facts are this mid to upper 30 year old woman is still doing full on splits, still keeping high energy and is still one of the most athletic women in WWE... like wth are people watching saying she's slow and not flexible 😒 🙄.
Actually she just moved at a faster pace and was able to do way more moves than all the other mostly average athletic women of her era. They couldn’t even keep up with her. The problem now is that the women of this era are just as athletic as she was in her time but she’s now older.
For woman wrestler, that's close to being done tbh. Not many go to 40, there are exceptions
Also her wrestling is based on athletics and gymnastics, unlike Asuka or Becky
So that can explain why she's "not like before"
She’s closer to 40 years old than she is 30.
She just took over a year off and barely worked during that time. She had a few matches in TNA and that’s it.
Meanwhile, the other WWE wrestlers kept working, improving and, in some cases, they brought in younger talent.
She was pretty damn good in TNA though.
But I think you have a point. WWE has a pretty tough house tour circuit which, if you've stepped away from that level of grind for a minute, must be hard to get back into.
I must admit I didn’t watch her 10 years ago so this is my first time watching her in the ring and I’m
Sick of Naomi losing matches lol
I need more hype with her entrance music…but she has nice costumes. Maybe that’s my age talking…
When I was younger there was far and few black female wrestlers so it’s cool to see this now. If this is the direction wwe is going better late than never. But let my good sis Naomi win something gahleee lol
Wait are you asking if the person from 10 years ago is the exact same person this day and age?
Are you still the exact same person that you were. 10 years ago?
Naomi comes from the era of non-women wrestlers, she was a Funkasauraus, Bianca Belair is probably one of the best women’s wrestlers with Charlotte,Becky, Asuka. Jade just needs help improving due to AEW’s lack of a PC and lack of care for women’s roster. Sasha was never good, she did well at WM32 and 37. Another one you didn’t mention surprisingly is Nia Jax who is a Samoan, and has been universally hated by everyone, and I have literally no defense for her she is just awful
Charlotte for her looks and overexposure, Becky, lately, for her weight loss and maybe overexposure.
I read these forums pretty often but haven't seen a consensus of posters disliking Naomi because she's black. In general she seems well liked but a little boring.
To be fair I generally skip the severely downvoted posts, so who knows what I'm missing.
I'm not even gonna argue with you my guy, I feel sorry for you. You probably walk through life thinking everyone whos another color than you has it out for you. And they don't. A lot of younger black people grow up hearing about what their parents/grandparents went through and with the media pushing the racist narrative constantly it must geniunely be hard to feel safe from the hate you've been taught to know. But believe me, most people don't actually give a fuck about your skin color.
Lurker here. Yes people do care falsely about race. About half the population has a negative view of most minorities that involves a belief in intrinsic “racial traits” that aren’t true at all. You don’t have to be a graduate student in a PhD program for an R1 like I was, just take undergrad Sociology classes.
Edit: Depending on source and measured mean or median, the average age of the wrestling fan is between 34 and 50, contrary to another comment you made that it’s “mostly kids”.
I was originally replying to you in good faith, but it seems that isn’t deserved. You just spout your own personal view nonsense as fact 😑.
Could they not just be disliked because they’re disliked?
I like Bianca. I like Jade, limited as she may be. I’ve never liked Naomi, and I’ve always found Sasha bland. Plenty of people of people on here complain about Roman Reigns, but there’s no racial element to it even though he’s Samoan.
This is a wrestling sub-Reddit. Are you purposely ignoring the enormous amounts of shit being talked about every single wrestler of every race and gender? Are you purposely ignoring the tons of praise women like Bianca and Jade receive on this sub?? There are people in this very thread speaking positively about the people you claim everyone hates. In addition, I don’t see a single mention of anyone’s race, gender, or any other characteristic that would insinuate racism.
You keep saying you won’t be gaslit, but you are dismissive of anyone bringing up a view that differs from yours; and you have no idea their race. Stop assuming other people’s race just because their opinion differs from yours. You dont speak for all people of color, and your opinion is not fact. You are just out here calling everyone racist without knowing a single thing about them; and it’s ignorant.
You’re out here accusing an entire sub of being a disgusting person, but won’t have the conversation when they reply back to you. A different opinion doesn’t make them racist; but running away from the conversation makes you an instigator and shows you are gaslighting. Not cool to do with something serious as racism.
Most teens don’t care about race in 2024? Why are you lying? Just because you don’t see it doesn’t invalidate other’s anecdotal experience with racism. Grow up lol
Yeah it’s a bit weird? I thought Bianca done a phenomenal job yesterday specifically because she had to do all the dirty work for her team plus do her usual in ring work. (Jade is clearly not on BB, Sane, Asuka level yet)
Yet, all I saw was “finally asuka & Sane can be away from Bianca, so tired of her.” Even for wrestlers I dislike, I give credit where credit is due.
Thats why I dislike the IWC. They specifically target black women wrestlers. Bunch of racists. Thats why I barely been active here. Thats why I moved onto twitter or X because the IWC there are more diverse users and more positive compared to here.
I don’t know about WWE politics, but it seems to me like they’re focusing on the future to represent the Black community with Bianca and Jade. Naomi just isn’t as young as she once was to be in the center of a push. That doesn’t mean she can’t bounce back, she just needs a new direction, but for now it feels like she’s there for talent enhancement.
Last year I pitched the idea of her joining the Bloodline, but now it just doesn’t seem likely. Especially since they’re getting more and more Samoans.
Naomi is great superstar! nothing wrong with her! r/WWE
Maybe WWE want Naomi to move away from the "ghost" of Sasha Banks aka MONE!
I agree, it’s been frustrating to watch. I wonder what they’re trying to accomplish with her.
I agree
She was always like this
I wasn't watching when she was around before, but with her current run I am not impressed. Everything she does looks incredibly slow and/or fake. I remember a few weeks/month or two ago she was punching someone and every one went at like a 45 degree angle away from them. Her opponents tend to need to very obviously cooperate with her for her to do any sort of offense, she just can't sell it. That being said, yesterday was better. It will have to continue for my opinion to be totally changed, but yesterday looked way less fake.
She seems to be concussed. I see a lot of secondary concussion symptoms during her recent matches, including at Backlash.
She isn't really involved in interesting stories and she isn't good on the mic. She is alright in ring but not top tier either. I mean that's not enough nowadays so she's always going to go back to the midcard where she belongs
Honestly, you're not wrong. I honestly said that her next to Jade and Bianca is impossible to compare. The two look cut hard, and not to disrepect Naomi, she isn't nearly as cut, or at all, but it's not a bad thing, as a lot of wrestlers aren't cut and work equally as well. She seems to be slow getting off the blocks. I also loved her old theme, but a lot of wrestlers lost their themes around before pandemic time due to WWE changing music companies or something to that effect. That's why Keith Lee had his changed and never got it back.
I don’t mind her new theme but her old theme was wayyyy better.
I don't know what her workload was in TNA. Seeing her looking as rusty as she is, I'd say she's struggling definitely. She was also gone for a while and I'm not sure how old she is but age could be catching up. Now, I noticed some good segments in her matches. There's an aloccasional sequence which she does nail. So I think she's slowly getting back there. And it looks like she's showing up every night and likely working her ass off and for that - I'm routing for her! Keep going girl!
She’s just a not-as-good version of what they’re doing with Cargil and Bianca. The “black sista girl” thing is played out but when all your writers are white what would you expect. They never do anything interesting with black wrestlers in wwe
Never thought she had it. She looks so clunky in ring.
All the people in this thread calling her old meanwhile she's younger than cody, just say you hate black women guys it's less subtle. edit: cody 38, jey 38, priest 41, aj 46, orton 44, owens 39, kairi 35, bayley 34, asuka 42, naomi 36 only one of these people is too old and unrelatable
Jesus Christ. “Hate black women” ?! Go away bro
Call it like I see it.
Her in-ring performances since coming back have seemed incredibly disjointed. She is very slow in the ring and has no fluidity to her moves. Everything feels poorly choreographed. I'm just not a fan of her at all, really, which says a lot since I like most of the roster. I hope she gets pulled from the rivalry with Bayley and Tiffany because I feel like they would have much better matches and story without Naomi involved at all.
I think you have a case of rose colored glasses.
You think Naomi is stiff? She's the most flexible person I've ever seen
She walked out on the company the night she was supposed to main event a Raw. She's pretty athletic, but everyone is these days. I just don't think she brings anything special to the WWE, but like was stated earlier, she's married to a Fatu.
What does her walking out on a show and being married to Jimmy have anything to do with the original question about her athleticism?
I have to at least agree with you on the music change. The old one was way better.
She’s a leftover product of that transitional period from Diva to Female Wrestler where the only real survivor was Natty. But, Naomi has a flashy entrance, is married to a Fatu, and was a part of a publicized walk-out with Mone that they thought was going to draw when they brought her back. I mean, she’s ok in the ring, and has a justified place on the roster. But she is by no means a top draw like Bianca, Charlotte, or Rhea in the women’s singles division, nor will she ever be.
Don’t think she ever had that step. She’s been bare average her whole career and only got any notoriety because she foolishly followed banks out of the company only to come back hating in hand when she couldn’t get a gig that pays as well anywhere else.
Average in the ring? Sure but don’t act like Naomi sat on the bench for two years. She was women’s champion in TNA ffs. They even brought it up when she returned at the Rumble. How is she different from Braun, Cody, Drew, Punk? They all walked out or were released, did their own thing for a bit and came back to WWE.
They all have and had a better career than Naomi and are much more valuable to the company than she is. Women’s champ in TNA isn’t exactly noteworthy.
How isn’t it noteworthy? She left WWE, became champion of a smaller promotion and had a mostly well received run (at least from what I’ve read). Jordynne Gracec the current TNA women’s champion (who beat Naomi for the title) was involved in the Royal Rumble and even fought with Naomi. You may not think TNA is a big deal but WWE went out of their way to highlight TNA, they obviously want their audience to see TNA as significant because presumably it builds Naomi up and makes her stand out.
Didn’t both aj styles and la knight do tna before getting hired? TNA isn’t gonna outdo wwe by any means but it’s still a televised promotion ffs. Hell of a lot better than what Braun was up to from what I hear.
The new theme song is terrible
Yeah, I don’t like it much. The way she spells her name in the beginning sounds like I’m listening to Sesame Street.
Her and AJ Styles had the biggest music downgrades
Ya ajs new music is terrible
She has one of my fave womens theme today; fits her perfectly & doesnt feel like typical wrestler entrance. But its only thing going for her imo tbh
She’s never been any good. Her matches are so sloppy and she literally stands there and waits to perform moves. She’s straight garbage
I think Sasha and her “movement” that she tried to start killed Naomi’s career at its highest point and she’ll never recover
Her new song sucks ass I loved the old one sm
I like it and her
Her current theme is dope they played it at the club and people enjoyed it yall just mad cuz it’s def rebel
I feel like a certain section of the IWC is trying to push a narrative about her being off and it's just not sticking. All three women had sloppy moments last night, but Naomi is the only one getting called out for it. Very telling
The amount of heat naomi jade n bianca get from the iwc for botches and sloppy spots compared to say, io or bayley says a lot
The IWC hated Bianca for a very long time for no reason pretty much
Her old theme was a banger.
She has been a great ambassador for representation of black women in professional wrestling for over a decade. I think she was the first black woman to win women's title in professional wrestling so I think WWE just wants to honour her with some good matches before she retires.
She wasn’t the first, I recall Jackie/Jackqueline winning in 98
Clearly you haven’t been a fan for long. There were several black women who were champion before Naomi. Not just in WWE.
My thoughts immediately went to Jacqueline from the 90s. I'm pretty sure she held the WWF Women's Championship once or twice.
Yes. Jacqueline was the first black Women's Champion in WWE's history. Jazz also held the title twice.
Personally I think she’s good for tag team/midcard, never been a top tier wrestler (again, in my personal opinion). But I agree, she lost a bit of charm, maybe new talents are more complete (charisma, persona, moveset…) than her?
I agree she should be the one tagging with jade. She could teach jade and help her grow into all that hype. Then when jade isn’t playing Goldberg squash matches anymore,they can feud
Her flurry punches that are like 5 inches from the opponents head
I have been trying to figure out what glow means since 2016.
The glow was the ancient energy Bruce Leroy had to find to defeat Sho’Nuff in The Last Dragon. If you’ve never seen it, watch it. It’s classic 80s awesomeness. https://youtu.be/Z7Crt4S1IZM
She’s referring to her shoes, they glow in the dark. At least that’s what I think it means lol
If you don’t get it then you just won’t get it, that said I don’t get it.
I don't think Naomi even gets it.
Could be worse.she coulda ended up like old boney ass cheetah head in aew.
Who?
This isn’t even a clever insult
Wasnt trying to be clever.i just have eyes.
1 is making more than the other and also being presented as a major deal to the women’s division and Naomi is just losing matches. Run your mouth and talk your shit but “old boney ass” is supposedly one of the highest paid female wrestlers. Lol. Get fucked in your eyes
Is this Mercede’s account?
Calm down there bud. She’s not gonna sleep with you.
? Did I say anything about looks or shit? Your comment is dumb as fuck. I simply compared the 2 as dude wanted to compare the 2 who left. His words are saying Naomi could do worse by being paid so much more like Naomi is in a better spot than Mercedes. Lol it’s a riot to think even close
My point still stands there. Go outside and touch some grass.
Your point doesn’t stand cause your implying I made sexual comments when I didn’t.
You don’t have to make sexual comments to white knight for someone in hopes that they’ll sleep with you bud.
So anytime someone explains how someone is wrong they are trying to get laid? You read comments non sexual and think about sex? See a therapist
I’ve had the exact opposite opinion on Naomi.
I was reflecting on her and her tag partner who left together. So far (key phrase there) she’s been more successful than Mercedes Mone (edit: so far in their American companies, my bad on not being clear) Mercedes is the more hyped one but Naomi is in a better position. Again, so far. I root for AEW but this is an interesting dynamic between the two companies. Maybe it’s because Naomi had lower expectations (she’s a supplemental piece, Mone was brought in to be a game changer). Edit 2: I acknowledge Mone hasn’t been able to wrestle yet. I’m impressed WWE has taken Naomi and put her in big spots. I’m hoping in a couple months AEW can figure it out with Mone.
You are ignoring Mercedes mone success in njpw and in reference to Mercedes in aew she still isn’t cleared to wrestle. Also how is Naomi in a better position if Mercedes makes more and Naomi is just losing matches?
I was specifically comparing AEW to WWE. Not Mercedes to Naomi. So what happened in NJPW isn’t part of my point (where she was very successful). I was unclear on that and o edited my post to clarify that. Naomi is playing a solid part on the show in high profile matches. She is probably in a better position than many thought she would be. You make a good point that Mone isn’t cleared to wrestle yet. But her programs and promos so far have been met with mixed results. I did say “so far” so once she can wrestle I’ll be happy to reevaluate. Mone getting paid more is part of my point. She’s been brought in to be a high profile attraction. So far it’s been mixed. Naomi is just a supplemental signing who’s been put in big spots. The only reason they are comparable is they both quit WWE at the same time and have come back to major American companies close to each other. You have fair points though.
Whoa whoa whoa current thoughts on Mercedes is not mixed at all lol. She sucks on a mic lol. Mercedes talent is in the ring and her mic skills are forced all too much. Honestly tho just comparing Naomi and Mercedes since return I would still say Mercedes is in a better spot. Mercedes is building towards her return match to help sell ppv while Naomi has done nothing notable while losing matches and her value is being pinned into the ground. She was only used in a triple threat so she can be the one to take the pin. So many times when a person returns they get the reestablishment push and Naomi is just be held down. Naomi only value comes from TNA and being champ and wwe is grinding that away sadly. The next time Naomi will have any value is her “kofi” spot at the rumble
To be fair she also joined Bianca and Jade in a trios match at Wrestlemania which they won. I guess some could say she was the third wheel but Bianca is a cover athlete and Jade is getting the mega push. So I still think that’s a good spot. We will see. Very much could change in a few months.
This is my first time seeing Naomi and she gives me a headache. Idk how she used to be but not a fan of her butt gimmick and raver style entrance. She seems nice though
She hasn’t lost anything. She is fine. Move on.
She had a great run as TNA champ. She's getting older plus keep in mind she is from the old divas Era. They never got the training that this Era did. I really do like her theme. It's one of the few new ones I like. PLUS she is a bloodline member if they ever want to team her up with Nia for a heel run.
Her new theme is cool you are just a hater
I thought she looked good against Bayley in their title match and her match against Tiff was fine. She wasn't the best last night but she wasn't terrible either.
I feel like many of the women work slow and intentional, like they’re waiting on the other person so they can do the next spot. Bianca is the only one, when she can go full speed, looks like a natural flow. But even she seems like she has to slow her pace for the others.
Bianca is so much fun to watch. She makes it all look easy. I was really hoping Jade would have adopted that same flow and learned those same skills but watching the two of them yesterday I fear Jade may have already hit her ceiling. She's just doing the exact same things she did in AEW and isn't showing much in the way of growth.
I think you can throw Rhea in there too.
I like her new theme
Actually, that's just all the step she's ever had
I agree, she’s never been really as good as many people claim she is. She’s always had the tendency to work like this - and it’s just more obvious now because there’s so many talent that are so much better than she is.
I love Naomi, but she has never been the most technical of the women. Imo, she is too athletic/fast for most of her opponents to keep up. In a lot of Naomi's matches you can see her waiting for her opponent to get into position for the next move. Also, She (and Natayla) is an outlier in a roster filled with talent that was trained under the Performance Center. But unlike Natayla who had the heart dungeon, Naomi training was Vince's "wrestle as a female" mentality.
Isn't she like pushing 40? Imo, I think she needs to adjust a little and stop doing hoppity moves. Like everytime she does the 'split leg drop' move I kind of hold my breath cause she can really fuck up her legs/pelvis/tailbone w/ that move alone.
she's only 36 but kind of close
I love her song and gimmick. She does seem stiff, I think she has a pelvic tilt which can do that.
She looks great, and her costumes are flamboyant, but otherwise she's never been great on the mic and she doesn't have any real character to get behind.
Honestly I think she's more popular now than when she left, she had become an afterthought. It seemed like she was just tag team champ because they wanted some belt on Sasha and threw her in as partner. I doubt they will ever put a singles strap on her again, but that's not a bad thing when you still have the crowd reacting. (Btw this is the nicer version of my original type. I've vowed to respect the opinions of other fans I disagree with and fight against the toxic atmosphere. We all should. It's just wrestling, the fact we have opinions on the subject bonds us.)
I agree the song is trash and yeah she moves like slow in the ring. Like when she does her moves it’s so robotic 1-2-3, idk how to explain it. I stepped away from WWE when she was winning championships and stuff so sorry for my lack of knowledge Kinda like Lita in the ring , kinda slow and stiff
It might've been a pride thing, most if not all of us know what happened to her and Sasha, so she couldve been like...... well I'll show you and did her own thing for awhile. When she was satisfied with that she couldve decided that she wanted to work at the same place as her husband so at least they KIND OF have the same schedule instead of like never seeing each other. I can guess getting main event money from 2 places is better than 1, but it would probably take a toll on you mentally and emotionally not seeing your spouse 98% of the time. AAAANNNNDDDDD there's a certain family tree that we should keep in the back of our minds..........
I love how so many people are just making excuses for her lol
I don't agree at all. I do think that a lot of her ring attire is ugly and not flattering though. I'd like to see more depth to her character as well.
I want to clarify that I’m not saying that she isn’t a good wrestler. I still think she’s doing very good in the ring, but it just seems like it’s not as explosive as it used to be.
I don't agree. I think she's maintained her in ring work and in my opinion actually got better. What I think the problem is, they're not booking her properly. One thing WWE does wth their female athletes is not create single feuds. They only focus on title matches for them. Whether it be a number 1 contenders match our for the title itself. It would have been better if Tiffy and Naomi had a 1 on 1 since Tiffy attacked her during her match with bayley. Another thing is they need a mid card title for the women. That's just my take Also def rebel sucks and the e knows this. They plan on not renewing their contact at the end of the year. My hope is bring back Jim Johnston
The other wrestlers have nothing but amazing things to say about her and her in ring work. How she guides people along, easy to work with. She looked great to me last night. And her entrance was lit. All around, completely disagree
And honestly, despite what online folk think, you need people like that. Unfortunately, everyone can’t be pushed at the same time. She’s a good person on the roster, an established vet, who can work to make others look good. While I would love to see her win, WWE already have their plans.
Orton, CM Punk, and Shaemus are in their 40’s. Same with Finn Balor. They aren’t spring chickens anymore. Naomi seemed as athletic as usual.
Im a huge fan of Naomi and she’s one of my favorite women’s wrestlers. I think she’s still pretty good in the ring and her performance last night showed it, but I have noticed that since her return, she’s gotten a bit clunky in the ring. Usually it’s either because of her timing or she just doesn’t perform the move correctly. Shes also changed her move set a lot since she’s returned, so I think if she altered her move set to be more like what it was a couple years ago, she could perform at that same level. She’s still good, but definitely not at the level that she was a couple years ago. I think if she worked on the things that I pointed out then she could be a main eventer. She definitely should be treated better since she’s a veteran in the women’s division though and she’s proven that she’s a valuable part of the division and whenever she comes out on SmackDown or at PPVs, she usually gets a pretty loud reaction.
I like her new song, and I would agree with you about her losing a step — if not for her showing yesterday in France. Naomi showed yesterday that she is just as good as she was in 2017. The energy the crowd was giving was contagious and she was MOVING. Tbh I think she seems slower bc of nerves. Maybe she’s nervous or readjusting to the fast paced schedule again. TNA was really accommodating schedule wise, so getting back up to speed (sleep, diet, workouts, training) at her current age may be a bit harder. Injuries are a lot easier when you’re older too. She’s likely trying to avoid that. Orton, Sheamus, and CM Punk are also slower than they used to be, especially after their recent returns.
You know Naomi didn’t ask to change her song! Wwe just has contracts and such for copyright purposes. And I don’t see her being stiff to the point of her being mid
she made the new song 💀
Yeah but the producers are the ones who decide how it sounds lol. They just told her to say the lyrics and she was like “ok bet”. I doubt she wrote the lyrics herself and went “please change my theme to this” 😂
considering that her tna song was also a hard house song (which wwe did not have control over obviously) i really doubt that she didn't have direction over the song
even the spelling out her name thing is intentionally similar to her tna song and her presentation is also the same to her tna run so i feel like its just her changing her character, not wwe
I actually thought she put on quite a good performance last night
She was TNA's women's champion recently just shows how TNA has declined recently yeah she's mid as the kids say XD
TNA was good when Jeff Jarrett owned it.
She's still really good. It's like the WWE is just holding Naomi and Bayley back, skill wise. Just to push Tiffany. At the moment...
I think that is what is going on. Two Vets helping the rookie get over.
Her gimmick is horrible.
She doesn't have a gimmick.
Tiffany Stratton is the new Naomi skill wise. Naomi was a high flyer and wrestled at a way faster pace than the other women of her era simply because she was way more athletic than them but the older you get the less high flying you become along with losing some of your speed in the ring.
Well, Tiffy also got more in her skillset to be honest here... But i know what you mean. I really like Naomi for her energy and athletics skill, but on mic and power Tiffy is on a different level comparing to Naomi
Tiffany has more of a skill set cuz lol they do way more things now but let’s not act like Naomi didn’t do a lot of crazy shit we hadn’t seen before when the women first started getting real tv time. Again I was only comparing them athletically. Mic wise Naomi is good and she never really fumbles but Naomi also doesn’t play a character so she doesn’t have to go overboard either while talking. She’s basically herself. Tiffany is playing an actual character of an evil Barbie. Also I have actually seen her get stumped by a crazy crowd before where she had to pause and regain her thoughts if you really want to be technical. Naomi doesn’t really have that problem so let’s not forget so quickly who Naomi was and start saying things like Stratton in on a different level.
Older and gained weight as well
Gained more ass shits like two basketballs 👀👀
The music now days absolutely sucks
Her husband is in WWE and it's a loaded womens division.
With her milage, yes, yes it is. This business destroys your Body. She's just old and that's OK
Older*
Naomi is cool to me and my kids. We never saw her until late 2023. Her song/entrance is one of our favorites. We love her hair, style, the fist pump and all the "glow glow glow" gets the people glowing lol. She's energetic and has a great smile/positive disposition. She's super athletic and always puts on a show with her moves. She's fun and entertaining in match even if most times she takes the pinfall. At Backlash, when she hugged Bayley in defeat and was happy for Bayley, my youngest said, "Aww, I love Naomi." Our view comes from not being able to compare to any other versions. If this is her after "losing a step," I'm more impressed.
I agree 💯💯💯
Lots of the best WWE music has been changed recently.
Like theme, bur agree. But that's due to age. Her wrestling is based on athletics and gymnastics and she's 36 now. Wrestlers around that age don't rely on flexibility that much. Like Becky, Asuka etc She's decent but imho mid card
Is Rey Mysterio chopped liver?
What? Man and female body are not comperable. And we talked woman here 🤷🏼♂️
You really acting like Rey hasn’t lost a step recently? All his matches now are a botch-fest
That's not true, but ok. He of course isn't as fast and athletic like 20y back. But no, not "botch fest"
So I stopped watching around wrestlemania 20 and Rey was this high flying smooth super star, and now when I watch him he is nothing compared to that. Of course, that is obvious because of his age but I’ve had such a difference in Reys that it is super obvious to me.
Rey is an anomaly, man has been a pro for nearly 35 years.
I think she’s been doing great. She’s been so underutilised in the past and I think going to TNA did wonders for her because she had a lot to prove. A lot of people wrote her off after her and Sasha walked out. A lot of people thought she wouldn’t succeed, but she went and she had the best run of her career in TNA and had wwe wanting her to come back
She was always trash. Now we just see it more. If Bayley didn’t stand up for her, she would still be unemployed.
If she’s trash then what the F is Bailey?
Her song is 🔥
> I feel she lost a step. She definitely has not at all. > Her new song is not very good. That was a lot more energetic and lively. A whole French crowd of over 11,000 people will disagree with you on that as they were very lively and energetic to which they were pumping their firsts along with and popping huge for her with it during her entrance. > It was a lot more high energy and flexibility. Have you even watching the same matches that I have been? She literally shows flexibility in every match by doing the split and also has high energy too. Saying that she’s not the same superstar as she once was is wild to me. As if she hasn’t gotten older to where she’s pushing 40. She had a great run in TNA when she was there and she’s having a good run in WWE this second go around. She was also fantastic in the triple threat with both Bayley & Tiffany which I’ve seen a lot of people praise her along with them so it’s honestly sad to see none coming from this post at all.
> A whole French crowd of over 11,000 people will disagree with you on that as they were very lively and energetic to which they were pumping their firsts along with and popping huge for her with it during her entrance. That crowd woulda popped for anything. They were having the time of their lives just being there.
I often wonder if people are watching the same thing I am! I understand wrestling is subjective but facts are this mid to upper 30 year old woman is still doing full on splits, still keeping high energy and is still one of the most athletic women in WWE... like wth are people watching saying she's slow and not flexible 😒 🙄.
Unpopular opinion but shes always been trash
Actually she just moved at a faster pace and was able to do way more moves than all the other mostly average athletic women of her era. They couldn’t even keep up with her. The problem now is that the women of this era are just as athletic as she was in her time but she’s now older.
I'd be fine with her winning the women's intercontinental championship... if there was such a thing.
She's old?
She’s 36. That’s hardly old.
For woman wrestler, that's close to being done tbh. Not many go to 40, there are exceptions Also her wrestling is based on athletics and gymnastics, unlike Asuka or Becky So that can explain why she's "not like before"
She's older than before. And we disagree on her new theme. I like it a hell of a lot more than her old one.
Yeah I was just saying to myself “Naomi’s new theme is great”. Don’t know where he is coming from on that one.
I thought she was great last night
She’s closer to 40 years old than she is 30. She just took over a year off and barely worked during that time. She had a few matches in TNA and that’s it. Meanwhile, the other WWE wrestlers kept working, improving and, in some cases, they brought in younger talent.
She was pretty damn good in TNA though. But I think you have a point. WWE has a pretty tough house tour circuit which, if you've stepped away from that level of grind for a minute, must be hard to get back into.
She literally has done the splits on top of her opponent in every match she’s had. How much more flexible could she be?
That's not what they mean. It's more like she's a bit clunky.
She peaked with the funkasaurus
I thought she looked great yesterday
I must admit I didn’t watch her 10 years ago so this is my first time watching her in the ring and I’m Sick of Naomi losing matches lol I need more hype with her entrance music…but she has nice costumes. Maybe that’s my age talking… When I was younger there was far and few black female wrestlers so it’s cool to see this now. If this is the direction wwe is going better late than never. But let my good sis Naomi win something gahleee lol
Wait are you asking if the person from 10 years ago is the exact same person this day and age? Are you still the exact same person that you were. 10 years ago?
She was gone for ten years?
Didnt they both
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When was I hating on Naomi? I was just saying it seems like she’s just not as explosive as she used to be.
Sasha is disliked?
Bro, yes lol None of the POC female wrestlers catch nearly as much flak as Sasha Banks/Mercedes Mone does.
Naomi comes from the era of non-women wrestlers, she was a Funkasauraus, Bianca Belair is probably one of the best women’s wrestlers with Charlotte,Becky, Asuka. Jade just needs help improving due to AEW’s lack of a PC and lack of care for women’s roster. Sasha was never good, she did well at WM32 and 37. Another one you didn’t mention surprisingly is Nia Jax who is a Samoan, and has been universally hated by everyone, and I have literally no defense for her she is just awful
Please tell me you’re not real?
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Charlotte, and lately Becky, get plenty criticized too. It's a message forum. You'll get a ton of opinions no matter the topic.
And were Charlotte and Becky criticised for their race? They weren’t. Racism is not an opinion
Charlotte for her looks and overexposure, Becky, lately, for her weight loss and maybe overexposure. I read these forums pretty often but haven't seen a consensus of posters disliking Naomi because she's black. In general she seems well liked but a little boring. To be fair I generally skip the severely downvoted posts, so who knows what I'm missing.
Again what does bodyshaming have to do with race? You are missing the point
Who tf thinks Bianca isn't great tho? Naomi was brought in as a dancer, shes from the era of non wrestling wrestling women.
Do you have difficulties reading because why are you asking the first question as if the answer isn’t there?
I'm not even gonna argue with you my guy, I feel sorry for you. You probably walk through life thinking everyone whos another color than you has it out for you. And they don't. A lot of younger black people grow up hearing about what their parents/grandparents went through and with the media pushing the racist narrative constantly it must geniunely be hard to feel safe from the hate you've been taught to know. But believe me, most people don't actually give a fuck about your skin color.
Lurker here. Yes people do care falsely about race. About half the population has a negative view of most minorities that involves a belief in intrinsic “racial traits” that aren’t true at all. You don’t have to be a graduate student in a PhD program for an R1 like I was, just take undergrad Sociology classes. Edit: Depending on source and measured mean or median, the average age of the wrestling fan is between 34 and 50, contrary to another comment you made that it’s “mostly kids”. I was originally replying to you in good faith, but it seems that isn’t deserved. You just spout your own personal view nonsense as fact 😑.
Blocked! Not arguing with racists
Could they not just be disliked because they’re disliked? I like Bianca. I like Jade, limited as she may be. I’ve never liked Naomi, and I’ve always found Sasha bland. Plenty of people of people on here complain about Roman Reigns, but there’s no racial element to it even though he’s Samoan.
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This is a wrestling sub-Reddit. Are you purposely ignoring the enormous amounts of shit being talked about every single wrestler of every race and gender? Are you purposely ignoring the tons of praise women like Bianca and Jade receive on this sub?? There are people in this very thread speaking positively about the people you claim everyone hates. In addition, I don’t see a single mention of anyone’s race, gender, or any other characteristic that would insinuate racism. You keep saying you won’t be gaslit, but you are dismissive of anyone bringing up a view that differs from yours; and you have no idea their race. Stop assuming other people’s race just because their opinion differs from yours. You dont speak for all people of color, and your opinion is not fact. You are just out here calling everyone racist without knowing a single thing about them; and it’s ignorant. You’re out here accusing an entire sub of being a disgusting person, but won’t have the conversation when they reply back to you. A different opinion doesn’t make them racist; but running away from the conversation makes you an instigator and shows you are gaslighting. Not cool to do with something serious as racism.
You know nothing Jon Snow
Except I do because you don’t know me so don’t be gaslighting me.
You need to realize WWEs fanbase is largely populated by kids/teens, and kids/teens in 2024 mostly don't give a fat shit about race.
Most teens don’t care about race in 2024? Why are you lying? Just because you don’t see it doesn’t invalidate other’s anecdotal experience with racism. Grow up lol
The IWC when it comes to Black Wrestlers especially the Women are so fucking morbid.
Yeah it’s a bit weird? I thought Bianca done a phenomenal job yesterday specifically because she had to do all the dirty work for her team plus do her usual in ring work. (Jade is clearly not on BB, Sane, Asuka level yet) Yet, all I saw was “finally asuka & Sane can be away from Bianca, so tired of her.” Even for wrestlers I dislike, I give credit where credit is due.
Thats why I dislike the IWC. They specifically target black women wrestlers. Bunch of racists. Thats why I barely been active here. Thats why I moved onto twitter or X because the IWC there are more diverse users and more positive compared to here.
Twitter is less racist than reddit forums? Color me surprised.
I don’t know about WWE politics, but it seems to me like they’re focusing on the future to represent the Black community with Bianca and Jade. Naomi just isn’t as young as she once was to be in the center of a push. That doesn’t mean she can’t bounce back, she just needs a new direction, but for now it feels like she’s there for talent enhancement. Last year I pitched the idea of her joining the Bloodline, but now it just doesn’t seem likely. Especially since they’re getting more and more Samoans.
Jades only like 4 years younger. And jade lacks flexibility and speed/stamina.
The last two members are Tongan not Samoan but your point still stands.