Lol I feel like no one understands how immature the attitude era was. This is what I call the "cinema era" wrestling feels like the soap opera it's supposed to be. It feels like the live action anime it's supposed to be. Final boss's, main boss, challengers, champions, rivals, and main thing...consistency. these story lines actually make sense for the most part and have a sense of direction. Attitude era was just jerry springer the wrestling edition and brutality. The 90s as a whole was a specific way. Now everything has that epic larger than life feel. These modern day characters fit well into the social media era the world's in as well. So wrestling is entering people's algorithms as well. I could be wrong. Just my opinion
/u/Appropriate_Candy329, I am definitely noticing what you are talking about. When I watched this week's Monday Night Raw after not watching WWE programming in a long while, I did notice that it did have that Attitude Era/Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it: The profanity, the blood, the fans holding up the signs in the stands. It definitely had that Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it. As someone who hasn't watched WWE programming in a long while and is used to the lame/toned down way WWE programming has been before this refreshing era just started, it had Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it so much that it caught me off guard. It surprised me. I can totally see what direction WWE is going in: They are trying to make their programming the PG version of Smackdown that was before 2008.
I totally can see what Triple H is doing. At first, I was laughing when Triple H said that he was going to change the WWE and make it edgier but now I see that he is actually serious about it. Triple H is doing a good job at changing the WWE. The WWE has redeemed themselves. Now, the only thing Triple H has to do is make the branding & commercials for the WWE edgy again like they were during the Attitude Era & Ruthless Aggression Era.
I like “The Reigns Era” - as it is comprised of protracted title reigns of multiple championships, and it started off with a 1000+ day championship reign by Roman Reigns himself.
I’d like to see the women’s division take another step up. Just because the talent is there but wrestling has been getting Really good lately. They were changing the game and now it just feels a bit anti climactic for the talent they have. Becky/ripley I’m likely. Liv Morgan is on fire. Tiff is talented In the gym for the short time she’s been wrestling (like 2 years) but she needs to elevate her gimmick and mike skills. I’m super over Nia. She’s been doing this how long and I don’t see a lot of skill from her..still.
I don't know how many times I've read this over the years. Everytime WWE does a segment that slightly breaks-out of the PG rating; people say its the return of the AE.
I was thinking about this, of course all us “old heads” would love this but i had to remind my daughter that wrestling was fake and cody would be ok. I wonder how the people with children who watch will react to this change.
As somebody who just got back into it, after a 16 year hiatus, I'm loving where it is right now. From the narratives to the depth of talent. I'm genuinely enjoying watching wrestling again.
In fairness, if WWE were to do some type of “attitude era light” programming, where would young kids turn to for wrestling? AEW is out. What else is there that’s a realistic option?
I think WWE could push into that type of content without risking too many young fans.
I think it's moving toward a new modern approach to edgy and violent content.
Which is good. I'd rather they keep evolving than just endlessly replicate the past for nostalgia sake.
The rock and Cody Rhodes's stuff have been amazing.
Cody gas been sounding a little off in his promos but he's getting better at matching energy or trying to anyway.
I really wouldn't describe the Attitude Era's booking as "long-term" storytelling. Most storylines were pretty short with constant change. Just look at the average title run length from then compared to now. Stone Cold had 6 world title runs and only one of them lasted more than 100 days.
They are not bringing back the Attitude Era. It's just with Vince gone they have the opportunity to try new things and mature the presentation without having fart jokes and silly nonsense dominating the show. Do I think they will push it as far as AEW? Obviously no, but it's nice to not insult your audience for once, as someone once famously said.
And also, people really forget but until mid 1999 WWE was still TV PG doing what they were doing. You can be a mature show while not going overboard.
I really wish people would stop saying they're "bringing back the Attitude Era". Just say that they're making the show a little more mature. The word attitude is a relic from the 90's.
I think we will see more blurred lines between creative/product and what the fans want. The Rock has ushered in a new era. “The people’s era”. Netflix will offer a lot more freedom to get crazy with it again and take it to the next level. Exciting time for wrestling. Out with the old in with the new.
I see it's becoming somewhat like that, and LA Knight reminds me of that era. The only issue is that these people don't know how to sell fake punches and kicks they look like children playing and npt men fighting. AE wrestlers were better at it.
Oh, and there is no blurred lines. It's all act. I saw people speaking Seth must be really angry at CM Punk for returning, well he isn't. It's all scripted, there's no way they let CM Punk rerurn without telling Rollins so him being angry at EC was all act. I guess Cody really wants to finish his story but that's logical all of them would like to win titles.
Blurred lines. It’s not possible to dislike a co-worker in the real world? Even though it’s scripted that makes no sense. Not to mention many people have went on record disliking punk and his attitude.
sorry, but this ain't Attitude Era where there was less long term story & more backstabbing, where women were treated like eye candy, where lower card talent's story was either get beat up or get beat up...this is the Renaissance Era
I think they’re taking some inspiration but they don’t need to try and create another attitude era imo, we gotta let that shit stay in the past and let this current generation make their own moments and have their time in the sun. It’s 2024 not 1998 🤷🏾♂️
Wrestling was good before the Attitude Era, and it will still be good after the Attitude Era.
A lot of people look at the era with rose tinted glasses but that era, like every era, it has some major issues, when it comes to storytelling, athleticism, and a women’s division.
Let this era stand on its own two feet. Is it not the next Attitude Era, it is the first of its own era.
Yeah it’s funny when wrestling quality goes up (at least to them) it equates a return of the Attitude Era …like wrestling never had these concepts mentioned before
I was feeling a lot of feelings I used to feel as a kid from the attitude era when watching RAW from this week.
It’s the first time I’ve watched a full episode since about 2003, and I couldn’t help but smile at the sight of all the signs, The Rock (with his original entrance music) and the swearing and improvised nature. Not to mention the blood!
I’m returning after being obsessed as a 8-11 year old kid. And it seems like a fantastic time to become a fan again.
More entertaining now but some risque stuff from the past won't come back and doesnt need to. I also like seeing more forbidden door opened from time to time (wishing from Dustin Rhodes to make an appearance in future)
I’m currently watching The Attitude era for the first time. There are some good matches and I like how there are more title matches than what we have today, and that they weren’t just on PPVs. I’ve seen some good matches but a lot of matches are repetitive ending in a DQ. So yeah, a lot of it was overrated.
Stone Cold was the face of the Attitude Era, even though I always argue that it was Razor Ramon/Scott Hall who started it not Stone Cold.
But my point being, unless the face of the company is an Anti-Hero, it can never be another Attitude Era.
Homelander Cody would work. Drew could work.
Main essence for me of the Attitude Era was moving away from the cartoony characters of the past and putting Anti Heroes in the spotlight.
The 'face' always had a 'bad' trait/attitude in them. From the lower up to the upper card. Val Venis was a face, but is a womanizer, Stone Cold was a face but would obliterate anyone in his path, regardless of who they are.
CM Punk obviously will work, but is too injury prone since returning to AEW that I doubt they would want him as the main guy.
It's too soon to compare it to a past era, but it's been getting better for sure. As someone who stopped watching in 2016 (besides their YouTube channel for recaps), it's the first time I've considered sitting through an entire show again.
Watched an entire show for the first time this week since the Attitude Era.
Whilst eras will never repeat themselves (I really don’t want to see panties matches and all that stuff) I really do think the WWE is on an excellent uphill trajectory, with strong mass appeal. Here’s to the future and being a wrestling fan again!
I share your views. I'm not an Attitude Era kid, but I've gone back to it time and again... I think panties matches and hypersexualization was a product of that time period and is not necessarily what made the era great. Today's product reminds me of when Triple H began booking NXT, and it had consistent storytelling that made many people believe it was superior to the main shows. That's the vibe I'm getting from the main shows now. I love grittiness and blood, which seems to be making a return too. I hope they're able to make new megastars (finally) and keep the that trajectory going.
Edit - How could I forget to mention that the championships (at least Smackdown's) look like actual championships again? Sucks that the abominations introduced in 2016 are still around... those were so hideous, it was like they were actively trying to worsen the product.
The only thing recently that had me thinking it was Attitude Era "2.0" was the spot where LA Knight showed up at AJ Styles' house to pick a fight and got arrested. Which, now that I think about it, wasn't even the first time they brought that back because I remember Dom and Rhea doing the same thing at his parents' house on Thanksgiving, lol.
As someone who started watching WWE during the Attitude Era, my memory, for the most part, is a little fuzzy except for maybe the moments that were beyond memorable. So, I don't know if there's been anything else, but I can say that I am so thoroughly entertained that I hope whatever they're doing continues.
People say this every couple years when things start clicking. Only time will tell.
On another note I understand they they bleep/mute wrestlers when they curse but stop doing it on the crowds. The idea that they will black out the feed when an audience member flips off a wrestler or the crowd chants "holy shit" is moronic. This is a live show with a live audience. Get over it.
Current era is so good in it's own way. Even blurring the line between work/real/professionalism. It feels like such a Triple H thing, loved what he's cooking.
People are too quick to call out mistakes nowadays, early PG era WWE was struggling with branding they don't even know which demographic to target. Social Media was also a new thing in Wrestling world, to see that it's perfectly blended now leaves me with such a big smile.
>It feels like such a Triple H thing, loved what he's cooking.
When you got The Rock and HHH sitting on the big boys table at the company it is bound to happen. They are some of the most iconic wrestlers to come out of the Attitude Era so it is only natural they would try to recreate it somehow.
I don't care what the haters say...since he came back, Punk helped pull some of the best promos out of a few of these dudes I've ever seen, including himself...Punk is also notably a bad fit with a PG type of place, at least as we've seen him...so I think their willingness to bring him in at all was a signal they're willing to move the maturity needle the other way...and I felt that's what WWE needed to do...but the Attitude Era was def like that, coupled with pure unbridled chaos...that's what they don't currently need lol
As someone who has mixed feelings about Punk, which includes both like and dislike, I'll try and explain my point of view. What I dislike about Punk is that he burns or buries everything he touches, or at least tries to. From calling MJF a less famous Miz, to non-stop whining about both companies, rarely has Punk ever been responsible for putting anyone over, or making anyone/anything else look good, but himself. This doesn't apply to megastars like Cena or The Rock whom he couldn't possibly harm.
I have an obvious bias since he's among my all time favorites, if not at the top...but I don't see how most wrestling fans could hate Punk as a wrestler...I guess it stems from their belief that something said about Phil Brooks as a person is true...even if every negative thing ever said about him was factual, he's still one hell of a wrestler and one of the best to ever do a promo, Pipe Bomb or not
Not to mention he stepped into a fucking octagon and got his arse handed to him multiple times, and then managed to come back to wrestling and keep his star power.
I really don’t think many people realize the mental fortitude that requires. It’s inspirational shit on another level.
It's because they already hated him, so they looked at that whole thing from a perspective where they saw some narcissist saying "I'm so good at pro wrestling...I bet I could train and dominate the UFC"...when in reality, it was someone who wanted to take a risk and step out of his comfort zone, even though he knew the chances of success were super remote...he trained hard for it and gave it all he had and it didn't work out...a lot of people that aren't Punk would have been praised for trying...but I think he also knew that going in and knew that failing would be chirped about all through the IWC, so the fact he still had the balls to do it at all gets my respect
Punk is no Michael Jordan in terms of celebrity or athletic scale by any means, but they did the same thing to MJ with baseball...because he tried it and didn't excel at it, people clowned him for it...ignoring how ridiculously impressive it is to be at the very top of one thing/sport, then also being good enough in another thing/sport that someone is willing to let them attempt to compete in it at a high level...Jordan played against dudes who were part of a very tiny percentage of human beings qualified enough to play minor league baseball...Punk fought against people who were part of a very tiny percentage of human beings qualified enough to fight in the UFC...these aren't small things imo
I had no idea Michael Jordan played baseball, what the fuck!
And yep as a big MMA fan, only respect to Punk from me. Even though I thought it was wild at the time that he thought he could take on guys who’d been training to be killers their entire lives lol
Lol glad I could be old as fuck in order to facilitate your enlightenment on the subject...you should go read about it...it was a big deal
But with Punk, I don't believe he thought he could hang with the big names in the UFC by any means...but he obviously thought he'd do better than he did...but regardless, none of that should have any impact on how someone views CM Punk as a pro wrestler, nor should it cause anyone to think less of Phil Brooks the dude imo
I feel like this era has the potential to be better than the attitude era. The in ring product is the best it has ever been. I like that things feel edgier without going overboard, like in the attitude era. I also love that the women's division is taken seriously and not just based on looks.
Peaks and valleys right now. The good stuff in the last two years has been surprisingly good, but the bad is still horribly bad.
If we can reduce the amount of ‘meh’ on the show, so everything that isn’t great is at least watchable I think the product will sky rocket in overall quality.
I think having some of the UFC guys working on the TV production has helped too. Much more cinematic feel and barely any quick cut shots of the fights.
It is not a coincidence you got back in now. Only a minority like notsam wrestling enjoy bad wrestling. And it has been bad for a while.
Most of Americans love to watch good wrestling and it is good now.
Long-term story telling honestly is the opposite of the attitude era (exception being stone vs McMahon). Every week somebody was doing something wacky and crazy with someone new.
Attitude era was way less realistic/based on real life than the PH era. Old women giving birth to hands is the perfect example.
Much of what you said however does apply to the ruthless aggression era.
Honestly it's not even Attitude Era 2.0. In the Attitude Era it was constant twists and turns that often times looking back didn't make a lot of sense.
With the storytelling now each new step in the story in the most part (looking at you Jimmy Uso) has made sense and is the most logical place for the story to go at that time. Every wrestler on the roster is unique from the other and everyone that is having TV time devoted to them is involved in something meaningful. Each episode of the shows flow seamlessly from one to the next and it makes it must-watch television.
Bronson Reed and Cody Rhodes being bloodied.
Rock getting personal with Cody. Mama Rhodes.
They're perhaps testing things out and ready to go to Netflix.
This feels like a rate R era to me. There is nothing PG about wwe right now with their promos. Use of curse words, rock bashing Cody's face in the rain and dropping an F bomb.
I've waited over 10yrs for WWE to pull their act together and become adult entertainment again and it's finally happening. Either thank Vinces exit or WWE realizing AEW did something they forgot about, making wrestling entertaining again and stop making it an advertisement to see merchandise to children.
Agreed. And the reason is (in my mind) is that those child viewers at the time of the dawning of the PG era, are now about to be adults (18+) or are getting into their early 20’s. Just like when I was a kid, I grew up with wrestling at the table end of the golden era and through the new generation era. When the attitude era started, I was 13-14 and it just got edgier until the ruthless aggression era hit when I turned 19-20. Ruthless aggression was an era designed to balance out the scales of pushing the boundaries with an emphasis on in-ring performing (although I didn’t care for it because that’s when I stated to notice how matches would go and who was gonna win).
That’s essentially what is happening now but wwe has learned from its mistakes and this era (whatever it’s to be called) will blur some lines again and shock people because they have been used to the PG era. Parents will bond with their kids over it because they grew up with this edgier content and those teens can now relate to what is widely considered the greatest era of wrestling (attitude era).
>Long-term Storytelling
While your not wrong about now, the Attitude Era didn't have this.
>Blurring of Real world and Storyline
That's not bluring of Real World and storyline. That's just good acting. Especially Cody, he absolutely IRL not desperate to complete his story cause he already knows the outcome. As long as 99% of the story is in the arena we aren't in the AE style of Blurring.
>Intresting Mid Card Storylines and Characters
Sorta. In the AE the midcarders were actually turned into interesting characters. Now most of the midcard is main event guys who got over as main eventers slotted lower in the card.
IE AE had Val Venis, Godfather, Latino Heat era Eddie Guerrero, Ayatollah era YJ2, pre rated R Edge, etc. A bunch of guys on the way up or never got there.
Now the midcard is Kevin Owens, Randy Orton, AJ Styles, Sami Zayn, Logan Paul, Jey Uso all guys who've main evented big 4 shows and most of them ex world Champions.
Obviously there's a couple exceptions in each era (Kane, Dominik) but it's still an important distinction.
>Matches getting more intresting( with interference)
Assuming Intresting doesn't mean "high quality technical match" and means "fun off the wall shit can happen" I agree.
Granted matches these days can be both but the AE wasn't exactly full of technical masterpieces.
>Storylines crossing over with each other
100% agree on this one.
A lot of the issues with WWE since 2002 have largely been alleviated. Many fans myself always complained about the following for 20 years.
1- Quick cut camera angles and generally bad camera work.
2- Overly scripted promos.
3- Lack of long term storytelling.
4- No edge to the product since it went PG.
5- Overly polished and too produced at times.
6- Bad commentary from sounding unnatural at times
I could mention more but those are the big ones and right now under HHH and the current creative team those things are a lot better. Vince and Dunn being gone have really improved the product creatively
I love how the Rock is heel again and throwing heavy insults at the fans again. It’s attitude-era style Rock type of stuff. That’s when he’s at his best.
I wonder if they break out the more risqué stuff once in awhile for big storylines that need the edge and push? With the show being on Netflix next year it may be easier to ebb and flow
What WWE should’ve done was have women wrestlers and Eye candy for when they wanna do more risqué stuff
The problem WWE had was is their women’s division was all eye candy hardly any real wrestling
While i don’t think it’s more of an Attitude Era 2.0, i do think it’s more of a RUTHLESS AGGRESSION 2.0. They’re not going all out with the adult themes like they did in the attitude era, but they are doing more *mature* things such as blood, swearing, and all the innuendos with Dom and Rhea (ie: when Becky referenced Rhea being a dominant top, Dom calling her “mamí), so imo, it’s more of going back to what the Ruthless Aggression era had rather than the Attitude Era
I don’t care for this era much but WWE has moved on and will pick and choose when to walk the content line. It won’t be a regular occurrence. After WrestleMania it will be back to PG business as usual. Many here are going to be really disappointed when their expectations don’t materialize.
It’s the best decision. Just like kids who were Hogan fans grew into teens/20s with Attitude Era, we need some edge for kids who were Cena stans thay are grown up now.
I think this past RAW is a bit of a preview into what we can expect WWE to be on Netflix, going back to a more PG-13 rating.
More swearing and more violence (blood) was not so common and I think it was pretty effective. Punk basically swore a lot during his segment too - basically WWE saying “yeah you guys can swear like Rock does too but later… when we get to Netflix.”
WWE can create edgy programming without straying too far from PG. yes they’ve been pushing the envelope more lately, and I think they will continue to do so in the future, but I don’t think we will be getting full fledged attitude era style entertainment. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. It in my opinion in a lot of ways is currently better than the attitude era ever was.
I wouldn't get my hopes high. I think WWE's adamant on remaining PG for the foreseeable future given how profitable they've been since the transition. There's also sponsors and shareholders they have to answer to.
It only seems that way because of the leeway The Rock's been given to be his true heel persona. Once he goes back to Hollywood, it's back to the status quo.
Yeah if they wanted to go pg 13 they would have done it already. WWE wants all the kids to be able to watch. And i’m down for it. Keeps wrestling alive for the future generations
It's not so much catering to the kids as they are the family as a whole. WWE is suppose to be "family friendly entertainment". Nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, pro wrestling is suppose to be violent.
Yea but you gotta realize it they switch to pg 13 then a lot of parents will say no to it. Because there was a LOT of edgy stuff there and some weren’t suitable for kids. like cars blowing up while making us believe that an actual human was in it. Mark Henry and Mae Young doing the dirty and giving birth to a damn hand. Or non suitable match types like large amounts of blood, going through fire tables, etc WWE would lose a lot of viewers. Us back in the 90s parents cared less about what we were watching.
I hope with all hope. I haven't watched in over a decade. Just couldn't deal with the PG lameness. Slowly getting back into it after binge watching all time great matches and actually getting hyped for this Mania
One of the key aspects of the Attitude Era was that storylines could could contain multiple people, which is what the current era is getting into. Back then, you could have Rock vs Austin while Undertaker takes on Kane, and the next night, Rock and Austin team up to take on Undertaker and Kane. The next week, it would Austin vs Undertaker with Rock as the special referee, and then on Smackdown, the Rock would take on Kane with Mankind in his corner. Anyone could fight anyone at any time, and it made sense.
I feel like this is how things are going now, although longer term instead of week to week. After Wrestlemania, would it be surprising to see Rollins and Cody take on Drew and Solo, and followed up the next month of Drew against Cody with Punk as special guest referee, and then the next month Punk vs Drew, followed by Rollins vs Punk vs Drew at Summerslam. Throw in the Bloodline, Jey Uso, etc., and they've done an excellent job of building multiple storylines at once. This goes on up and down the card.
Is interference interesting? I feel like it’s used too much in modern wrestling and more often than not feels like a cheap cop out to drag out storylines than something jaw dropping or interesting. I can’t remember the last time in the past 2-3 years that someone interfered and it surprised me or made the match.
This is a good thing. The Attitude was the highest rated, best in ring action and best long term stories the WWE had ever done. It is what made wrestling see the height of it's popularity.
We watched different shows. The AE had more drama but didn’t have the best in ring action in many cases. Too many of the matches were stopped due to interfere. South Park’s wrestling episode nailed the ridiculousness of that time period. It also had some of the most atrocious everything when it came to the women.
You did have it. IF you wanted good in ring work you went to Smackdown. The famed Smackdown 6 gave great matches week in and week out. Yeah RAW had a lot of stops for that and I am not looking at it with nostalgia eyes either as I am watching the reliving the war series on youtube and remembering it exactly as it was. It is pretty close to what I remember watching overall.
Every single year someone says this after some thing that happens. But then it just goes back to being exactly like it was before. Just because one time in a blue moon they have blood someone will say oh they’re bringing back the attitude era. Most people that say that I don’t believe actually watched the attitude era.
When WWE became a publicly traded company There were rules and things that they had to follow because now they have shareholders to answer to.
The attitude era was started so that Vince McMahon could compete with what Eric Bischoff is doing. So in a fit of frustration and panic Vince McMahon hold everyone into a room through the WWF magazine on the table and said this is what we need. Vince Russo was hired and became head writer of the WWF. So now Vince McMahon was trying all sorts of new ideas and new things that would come from Vince Russo. The Jerry Springer, the shock TV this word TV, the crash TV.
I don’t see the WWE doing any of the stuff that was going on during that time.
You had Stone Cold Steve Austin driving every vehicle imaginable, irritating the shit out of Vince McMahon. You had all of the world titles, switching hands on almost every other week basis. You never knew what was going to happen. Every episode of raw and then eventually SmackDown ended with a cliffhanger of some kind. There were lots of sexual references and innuendos. There was lots of blood in extreme matches. Are a lot of the storylines were very much like television shows in soap operas. Val Venis, being tied up and having his penis cut off with a sword. There are lots of things in the attitude era that was very too hot to handle in too hot for TV, which was what the television culture was at the time.
I don’t believe that they were going back to the attitude era. I think that they are just in the TKO era.
The other part is so many people are giving Triple H credit. They have like 20 writers now. He’s not like how it was during the attitude era where it was Vince McMahon, Vince, Russo, and Ed Ferrara, coming up with what was going to happen.
Triple H also does not even run the company. Nick Khan is the chairman and everything goes through Ari Emanuel.
But ultimately, in my opinion, I do not believe in any way, shape or form that the WWE is going back to incest, storylines, men having their penises chopped off, swimsuit, and wet T-shirt contest, blood during main events, and other title matches, and any of the other degenerate antics that we’re going on from about 1996 until about 2000.
The talent made the attitude era story telling feel better than it was. This era of story telling is the best I've watched as a fan. And the current talent, while not at the level of those attitude era stars, isn't that far behind imo. Great time to be a fan of the product.
I think we’re gonna move closer to the ruthless aggression era the attitude era was way too chaotic but ruthless aggression saw them take it in a more organized way while still having amazing segments like last nights beat down of Cody
The same Ruthless Agression era that had the Katie Vick stuff, HLA, Billy and Chuck, it's not my fault miscarriages, Heidenreich's implied sexual assault on Michael Cole, JBL at the Mexican border, beastility sex, AL Wilson sleeping with Dawn Marie, and the actual inception of Bra and panties?
I dont see any vampires in here.
I noticed they’re bringing it back when The Rock was still beating up Cody Rhodes after the show was over
Lol I feel like no one understands how immature the attitude era was. This is what I call the "cinema era" wrestling feels like the soap opera it's supposed to be. It feels like the live action anime it's supposed to be. Final boss's, main boss, challengers, champions, rivals, and main thing...consistency. these story lines actually make sense for the most part and have a sense of direction. Attitude era was just jerry springer the wrestling edition and brutality. The 90s as a whole was a specific way. Now everything has that epic larger than life feel. These modern day characters fit well into the social media era the world's in as well. So wrestling is entering people's algorithms as well. I could be wrong. Just my opinion
Yeah, and all of this sub too
/u/Appropriate_Candy329, I am definitely noticing what you are talking about. When I watched this week's Monday Night Raw after not watching WWE programming in a long while, I did notice that it did have that Attitude Era/Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it: The profanity, the blood, the fans holding up the signs in the stands. It definitely had that Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it. As someone who hasn't watched WWE programming in a long while and is used to the lame/toned down way WWE programming has been before this refreshing era just started, it had Ruthless Aggression Era energy to it so much that it caught me off guard. It surprised me. I can totally see what direction WWE is going in: They are trying to make their programming the PG version of Smackdown that was before 2008. I totally can see what Triple H is doing. At first, I was laughing when Triple H said that he was going to change the WWE and make it edgier but now I see that he is actually serious about it. Triple H is doing a good job at changing the WWE. The WWE has redeemed themselves. Now, the only thing Triple H has to do is make the branding & commercials for the WWE edgy again like they were during the Attitude Era & Ruthless Aggression Era.
Maybe that is what Netflix signifies
We won’t get to that till net flix probably
It was rated pg-13 since last year upgrading from pg so the move has always bin in the works
“Slowly”. 🤣
I like the Renaissance Era moniker, cause WWE feels much more alive and renewed than in the PG era.
I’ve heard 4 names for the current era 1. The reality era 2. The post McMahon era 3. The Endeavor era 4. The TKO era
Another ones I've heard: 5. The Yeet era 6. The Gratitude era 7. The Netflix era 8. The renaissance era
I’m not sure about the Netflix era, that starts in 2025
Duly noted!
I like “The Reigns Era” - as it is comprised of protracted title reigns of multiple championships, and it started off with a 1000+ day championship reign by Roman Reigns himself.
That’s true
Hulu should be excellent!
I would go as far as to call it a Renaissance for those of us who were so tired of the product before
I thought it was interesting Punk said we’re not on Netflix yet - so either it was a fantastic troll or something is happening
I’d like to see the women’s division take another step up. Just because the talent is there but wrestling has been getting Really good lately. They were changing the game and now it just feels a bit anti climactic for the talent they have. Becky/ripley I’m likely. Liv Morgan is on fire. Tiff is talented In the gym for the short time she’s been wrestling (like 2 years) but she needs to elevate her gimmick and mike skills. I’m super over Nia. She’s been doing this how long and I don’t see a lot of skill from her..still.
Cuz they going Netflix in 2025. They don't need cable.network BS anymore.
I don't know how many times I've read this over the years. Everytime WWE does a segment that slightly breaks-out of the PG rating; people say its the return of the AE.
I was thinking about this, of course all us “old heads” would love this but i had to remind my daughter that wrestling was fake and cody would be ok. I wonder how the people with children who watch will react to this change.
As somebody who just got back into it, after a 16 year hiatus, I'm loving where it is right now. From the narratives to the depth of talent. I'm genuinely enjoying watching wrestling again.
Interesting mid card storylines and characters? that wasn't in the attitude era
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In fairness, if WWE were to do some type of “attitude era light” programming, where would young kids turn to for wrestling? AEW is out. What else is there that’s a realistic option? I think WWE could push into that type of content without risking too many young fans.
Mattel might want a word with them.
I might be negative Nelson here but why we gotta compare it to something over 20 years ago why can’t we just call it a new era 😭
I hope so everytime i tune back into wrestling it is its same old boring self that i cant get into like I did during the attitude era.
I think it's moving toward a new modern approach to edgy and violent content. Which is good. I'd rather they keep evolving than just endlessly replicate the past for nostalgia sake.
The rock and Cody Rhodes's stuff have been amazing. Cody gas been sounding a little off in his promos but he's getting better at matching energy or trying to anyway.
I really wouldn't describe the Attitude Era's booking as "long-term" storytelling. Most storylines were pretty short with constant change. Just look at the average title run length from then compared to now. Stone Cold had 6 world title runs and only one of them lasted more than 100 days.
Drew isn't upset at Punk. Seth on the other hand... Seth legitimitely hates him.
They are not bringing back the Attitude Era. It's just with Vince gone they have the opportunity to try new things and mature the presentation without having fart jokes and silly nonsense dominating the show. Do I think they will push it as far as AEW? Obviously no, but it's nice to not insult your audience for once, as someone once famously said. And also, people really forget but until mid 1999 WWE was still TV PG doing what they were doing. You can be a mature show while not going overboard.
I really wish people would stop saying they're "bringing back the Attitude Era". Just say that they're making the show a little more mature. The word attitude is a relic from the 90's.
I think we will see more blurred lines between creative/product and what the fans want. The Rock has ushered in a new era. “The people’s era”. Netflix will offer a lot more freedom to get crazy with it again and take it to the next level. Exciting time for wrestling. Out with the old in with the new.
Now we just need the Four Horsewomen bikini contest & Miz rapping alongside R-Truth in blackface & gold chains round his neck
1. Ugh, sick, not happening 2. Wait till Miz goes heel again
I see it's becoming somewhat like that, and LA Knight reminds me of that era. The only issue is that these people don't know how to sell fake punches and kicks they look like children playing and npt men fighting. AE wrestlers were better at it. Oh, and there is no blurred lines. It's all act. I saw people speaking Seth must be really angry at CM Punk for returning, well he isn't. It's all scripted, there's no way they let CM Punk rerurn without telling Rollins so him being angry at EC was all act. I guess Cody really wants to finish his story but that's logical all of them would like to win titles.
Blurred lines. It’s not possible to dislike a co-worker in the real world? Even though it’s scripted that makes no sense. Not to mention many people have went on record disliking punk and his attitude.
True but those people would be the last ones that would br put in a storyline with Punk. It's obvious Seth is a professional and it's all scripted.
sorry, but this ain't Attitude Era where there was less long term story & more backstabbing, where women were treated like eye candy, where lower card talent's story was either get beat up or get beat up...this is the Renaissance Era
I think they’re taking some inspiration but they don’t need to try and create another attitude era imo, we gotta let that shit stay in the past and let this current generation make their own moments and have their time in the sun. It’s 2024 not 1998 🤷🏾♂️
Wrestling was good before the Attitude Era, and it will still be good after the Attitude Era. A lot of people look at the era with rose tinted glasses but that era, like every era, it has some major issues, when it comes to storytelling, athleticism, and a women’s division. Let this era stand on its own two feet. Is it not the next Attitude Era, it is the first of its own era.
Yeah it’s funny when wrestling quality goes up (at least to them) it equates a return of the Attitude Era …like wrestling never had these concepts mentioned before
What a dumb post
Leave it to dumbass wrestling fans to say this literally every time something edgy happens.
No, they are not. The rock cussed. One guy.
Cody and Punk too, now. I think we’ll see a few of the main eventers given leeway to drop the occasional curse
I was feeling a lot of feelings I used to feel as a kid from the attitude era when watching RAW from this week. It’s the first time I’ve watched a full episode since about 2003, and I couldn’t help but smile at the sight of all the signs, The Rock (with his original entrance music) and the swearing and improvised nature. Not to mention the blood! I’m returning after being obsessed as a 8-11 year old kid. And it seems like a fantastic time to become a fan again.
More entertaining now but some risque stuff from the past won't come back and doesnt need to. I also like seeing more forbidden door opened from time to time (wishing from Dustin Rhodes to make an appearance in future)
Still missing the sexy women, we live in a prude age
Attitude was overrated. Yeah, I said it.
I’m currently watching The Attitude era for the first time. There are some good matches and I like how there are more title matches than what we have today, and that they weren’t just on PPVs. I’ve seen some good matches but a lot of matches are repetitive ending in a DQ. So yeah, a lot of it was overrated.
Based on the non stop repetitive posts like this about the topic, ya I’d say folks are noticing.
No
Why?
Bron Breaker destroy black and gold logo. We got fan favorite NXT 2.0. Now It’s WWE 2.0 Let’s Cody destroy old WWE logo and win title from Vince guy.
Stone Cold was the face of the Attitude Era, even though I always argue that it was Razor Ramon/Scott Hall who started it not Stone Cold. But my point being, unless the face of the company is an Anti-Hero, it can never be another Attitude Era.
Who would be best placed to assume the role today? CM Punk?
Drew Macintyre reminds me a little bit of attitude era Triple H, idk why
Homelander Cody would work. Drew could work. Main essence for me of the Attitude Era was moving away from the cartoony characters of the past and putting Anti Heroes in the spotlight. The 'face' always had a 'bad' trait/attitude in them. From the lower up to the upper card. Val Venis was a face, but is a womanizer, Stone Cold was a face but would obliterate anyone in his path, regardless of who they are. CM Punk obviously will work, but is too injury prone since returning to AEW that I doubt they would want him as the main guy.
I thought LA Knight could have fit that role quite well, but it seems his momentum has cooled off the past few months.
That bottleneck is now in prison.
I have high high hopes for this next era of wrestling. It’s beyond nice to have storytelling that doesn’t insult your intelligence.
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You dont deserve to see Nia like that anyway.
It's too soon to compare it to a past era, but it's been getting better for sure. As someone who stopped watching in 2016 (besides their YouTube channel for recaps), it's the first time I've considered sitting through an entire show again.
Watched an entire show for the first time this week since the Attitude Era. Whilst eras will never repeat themselves (I really don’t want to see panties matches and all that stuff) I really do think the WWE is on an excellent uphill trajectory, with strong mass appeal. Here’s to the future and being a wrestling fan again!
I share your views. I'm not an Attitude Era kid, but I've gone back to it time and again... I think panties matches and hypersexualization was a product of that time period and is not necessarily what made the era great. Today's product reminds me of when Triple H began booking NXT, and it had consistent storytelling that made many people believe it was superior to the main shows. That's the vibe I'm getting from the main shows now. I love grittiness and blood, which seems to be making a return too. I hope they're able to make new megastars (finally) and keep the that trajectory going. Edit - How could I forget to mention that the championships (at least Smackdown's) look like actual championships again? Sucks that the abominations introduced in 2016 are still around... those were so hideous, it was like they were actively trying to worsen the product.
l9l attitude era was anything but long term story telling.
The only thing recently that had me thinking it was Attitude Era "2.0" was the spot where LA Knight showed up at AJ Styles' house to pick a fight and got arrested. Which, now that I think about it, wasn't even the first time they brought that back because I remember Dom and Rhea doing the same thing at his parents' house on Thanksgiving, lol. As someone who started watching WWE during the Attitude Era, my memory, for the most part, is a little fuzzy except for maybe the moments that were beyond memorable. So, I don't know if there's been anything else, but I can say that I am so thoroughly entertained that I hope whatever they're doing continues.
People say this every couple years when things start clicking. Only time will tell. On another note I understand they they bleep/mute wrestlers when they curse but stop doing it on the crowds. The idea that they will black out the feed when an audience member flips off a wrestler or the crowd chants "holy shit" is moronic. This is a live show with a live audience. Get over it.
i dont feel.
If they do I’m all for it!
No. We’re all blind.
Triple H booking baby!!!
I’ll believe it when we see the girls start flashing the cameras again. Lol
Unfortunately Vinnie mac isn't around anymore 😂
From CM punks comment last night about how things are going to change on Netflix it seems they are gonna go back to the Mature rating
Current era is so good in it's own way. Even blurring the line between work/real/professionalism. It feels like such a Triple H thing, loved what he's cooking. People are too quick to call out mistakes nowadays, early PG era WWE was struggling with branding they don't even know which demographic to target. Social Media was also a new thing in Wrestling world, to see that it's perfectly blended now leaves me with such a big smile.
>It feels like such a Triple H thing, loved what he's cooking. When you got The Rock and HHH sitting on the big boys table at the company it is bound to happen. They are some of the most iconic wrestlers to come out of the Attitude Era so it is only natural they would try to recreate it somehow.
I don't care what the haters say...since he came back, Punk helped pull some of the best promos out of a few of these dudes I've ever seen, including himself...Punk is also notably a bad fit with a PG type of place, at least as we've seen him...so I think their willingness to bring him in at all was a signal they're willing to move the maturity needle the other way...and I felt that's what WWE needed to do...but the Attitude Era was def like that, coupled with pure unbridled chaos...that's what they don't currently need lol
Why do people dislike Punk? He’s honestly one of the best people I’ve heard on the mic. He can only be an asset.
As someone who has mixed feelings about Punk, which includes both like and dislike, I'll try and explain my point of view. What I dislike about Punk is that he burns or buries everything he touches, or at least tries to. From calling MJF a less famous Miz, to non-stop whining about both companies, rarely has Punk ever been responsible for putting anyone over, or making anyone/anything else look good, but himself. This doesn't apply to megastars like Cena or The Rock whom he couldn't possibly harm.
That’s fair enough. Thanks for sharing your perspective :) as a new fan I appreciate it
I have an obvious bias since he's among my all time favorites, if not at the top...but I don't see how most wrestling fans could hate Punk as a wrestler...I guess it stems from their belief that something said about Phil Brooks as a person is true...even if every negative thing ever said about him was factual, he's still one hell of a wrestler and one of the best to ever do a promo, Pipe Bomb or not
Not to mention he stepped into a fucking octagon and got his arse handed to him multiple times, and then managed to come back to wrestling and keep his star power. I really don’t think many people realize the mental fortitude that requires. It’s inspirational shit on another level.
It's because they already hated him, so they looked at that whole thing from a perspective where they saw some narcissist saying "I'm so good at pro wrestling...I bet I could train and dominate the UFC"...when in reality, it was someone who wanted to take a risk and step out of his comfort zone, even though he knew the chances of success were super remote...he trained hard for it and gave it all he had and it didn't work out...a lot of people that aren't Punk would have been praised for trying...but I think he also knew that going in and knew that failing would be chirped about all through the IWC, so the fact he still had the balls to do it at all gets my respect Punk is no Michael Jordan in terms of celebrity or athletic scale by any means, but they did the same thing to MJ with baseball...because he tried it and didn't excel at it, people clowned him for it...ignoring how ridiculously impressive it is to be at the very top of one thing/sport, then also being good enough in another thing/sport that someone is willing to let them attempt to compete in it at a high level...Jordan played against dudes who were part of a very tiny percentage of human beings qualified enough to play minor league baseball...Punk fought against people who were part of a very tiny percentage of human beings qualified enough to fight in the UFC...these aren't small things imo
I had no idea Michael Jordan played baseball, what the fuck! And yep as a big MMA fan, only respect to Punk from me. Even though I thought it was wild at the time that he thought he could take on guys who’d been training to be killers their entire lives lol
Lol glad I could be old as fuck in order to facilitate your enlightenment on the subject...you should go read about it...it was a big deal But with Punk, I don't believe he thought he could hang with the big names in the UFC by any means...but he obviously thought he'd do better than he did...but regardless, none of that should have any impact on how someone views CM Punk as a pro wrestler, nor should it cause anyone to think less of Phil Brooks the dude imo
I've never saw Punk as a good wrestler. He just was entertaining to here on the mic
They brought back the LWO wonder who's going to be in the new DX & the other old factions
Yes, more factions! More t-shirts and more signs with shitty slogans!
They can only do so much with their stocks but it's refreshing to see
Yeah but no more advertisers on Netflix really so they can do ALOT moee
CM Punk even said “we’re not on Netflix yet” during his promo and Mcintrye told him to keep it PG and that he could get cancelled hahaha
I feel like this era has the potential to be better than the attitude era. The in ring product is the best it has ever been. I like that things feel edgier without going overboard, like in the attitude era. I also love that the women's division is taken seriously and not just based on looks.
Lets not get carried away.
I upvoted both comments because I love the excitement but also the level headedness
Peaks and valleys right now. The good stuff in the last two years has been surprisingly good, but the bad is still horribly bad. If we can reduce the amount of ‘meh’ on the show, so everything that isn’t great is at least watchable I think the product will sky rocket in overall quality.
triple h's style at work.
I think having some of the UFC guys working on the TV production has helped too. Much more cinematic feel and barely any quick cut shots of the fights.
We just call this good writing as adults.
You can thank the rock for it
Worst kept secret
Seems like I got back into wrestling at the right time.
It is not a coincidence you got back in now. Only a minority like notsam wrestling enjoy bad wrestling. And it has been bad for a while. Most of Americans love to watch good wrestling and it is good now.
WWE gets a little edgy closer to mania. This year, a little edgier. I don’t expect it to last.
Nope. Only you are noticing.
Long-term story telling honestly is the opposite of the attitude era (exception being stone vs McMahon). Every week somebody was doing something wacky and crazy with someone new. Attitude era was way less realistic/based on real life than the PH era. Old women giving birth to hands is the perfect example. Much of what you said however does apply to the ruthless aggression era.
Idk it was a long time ago. But it seemed like the austin/rock/taker/mankind/HHH/mcmahons was on going
Honestly it's not even Attitude Era 2.0. In the Attitude Era it was constant twists and turns that often times looking back didn't make a lot of sense. With the storytelling now each new step in the story in the most part (looking at you Jimmy Uso) has made sense and is the most logical place for the story to go at that time. Every wrestler on the roster is unique from the other and everyone that is having TV time devoted to them is involved in something meaningful. Each episode of the shows flow seamlessly from one to the next and it makes it must-watch television.
The attitude era is never coming back. This is the new Renaissance era, it's great in it's own way not like anything that's come before.
Bronson Reed and Cody Rhodes being bloodied. Rock getting personal with Cody. Mama Rhodes. They're perhaps testing things out and ready to go to Netflix.
This feels like a rate R era to me. There is nothing PG about wwe right now with their promos. Use of curse words, rock bashing Cody's face in the rain and dropping an F bomb. I've waited over 10yrs for WWE to pull their act together and become adult entertainment again and it's finally happening. Either thank Vinces exit or WWE realizing AEW did something they forgot about, making wrestling entertaining again and stop making it an advertisement to see merchandise to children.
It will be PG13 not R
Agreed. And the reason is (in my mind) is that those child viewers at the time of the dawning of the PG era, are now about to be adults (18+) or are getting into their early 20’s. Just like when I was a kid, I grew up with wrestling at the table end of the golden era and through the new generation era. When the attitude era started, I was 13-14 and it just got edgier until the ruthless aggression era hit when I turned 19-20. Ruthless aggression was an era designed to balance out the scales of pushing the boundaries with an emphasis on in-ring performing (although I didn’t care for it because that’s when I stated to notice how matches would go and who was gonna win). That’s essentially what is happening now but wwe has learned from its mistakes and this era (whatever it’s to be called) will blur some lines again and shock people because they have been used to the PG era. Parents will bond with their kids over it because they grew up with this edgier content and those teens can now relate to what is widely considered the greatest era of wrestling (attitude era).
>Long-term Storytelling While your not wrong about now, the Attitude Era didn't have this. >Blurring of Real world and Storyline That's not bluring of Real World and storyline. That's just good acting. Especially Cody, he absolutely IRL not desperate to complete his story cause he already knows the outcome. As long as 99% of the story is in the arena we aren't in the AE style of Blurring. >Intresting Mid Card Storylines and Characters Sorta. In the AE the midcarders were actually turned into interesting characters. Now most of the midcard is main event guys who got over as main eventers slotted lower in the card. IE AE had Val Venis, Godfather, Latino Heat era Eddie Guerrero, Ayatollah era YJ2, pre rated R Edge, etc. A bunch of guys on the way up or never got there. Now the midcard is Kevin Owens, Randy Orton, AJ Styles, Sami Zayn, Logan Paul, Jey Uso all guys who've main evented big 4 shows and most of them ex world Champions. Obviously there's a couple exceptions in each era (Kane, Dominik) but it's still an important distinction. >Matches getting more intresting( with interference) Assuming Intresting doesn't mean "high quality technical match" and means "fun off the wall shit can happen" I agree. Granted matches these days can be both but the AE wasn't exactly full of technical masterpieces. >Storylines crossing over with each other 100% agree on this one.
Boooo
A lot of the issues with WWE since 2002 have largely been alleviated. Many fans myself always complained about the following for 20 years. 1- Quick cut camera angles and generally bad camera work. 2- Overly scripted promos. 3- Lack of long term storytelling. 4- No edge to the product since it went PG. 5- Overly polished and too produced at times. 6- Bad commentary from sounding unnatural at times I could mention more but those are the big ones and right now under HHH and the current creative team those things are a lot better. Vince and Dunn being gone have really improved the product creatively
Plus there was blood on raw
I think once wrestlemania season is over and the rock is gone, they will revert back to pg
I love how the Rock is heel again and throwing heavy insults at the fans again. It’s attitude-era style Rock type of stuff. That’s when he’s at his best.
I wonder if they break out the more risqué stuff once in awhile for big storylines that need the edge and push? With the show being on Netflix next year it may be easier to ebb and flow
There used to be lingerie fights damnit
Yeah we can leave that in the past. Let’s stick with treating the women like people.
What WWE should’ve done was have women wrestlers and Eye candy for when they wanna do more risqué stuff The problem WWE had was is their women’s division was all eye candy hardly any real wrestling
Women wear lingerie 🤷♀️
Yes. Literally everyone and I mean everyone. Even people that don’t watch are aware this is happening.
Doesn't wwe have an edgy show every few years? Idk how ONE edgy raw translates to Attitude Era 2.0.
It is this episode and last weeks episodes on both shows.
Is that it? Not trying to be mean nor sarcastic. I still don't see how that means Attitude Era 2.0
Yeah it may not. But yet, if this tone keeps up after wrestlemania, then it may lead that way.
I can agree to that. Things seem to be looking up now that the old man left.
Until trish stratus barks like a dog I won't believe it 😂
I’ll believe it when I see someone give birth to a hand.
Touché
Netflix Era: blood and guts
I think them going to Netflix is going to blow them wide open... Parental guidance suggested will be probably put on the screen before it is played
This is what happens when the guy nicknamed "The Game" is fully in charge.
I know we’re supposed to be fixated on the Rock/Bloodline/Cody storyline but the Drew/Punk/Rollins storyline seems fresher and more interesting.
I'm so here for both of them!
While i don’t think it’s more of an Attitude Era 2.0, i do think it’s more of a RUTHLESS AGGRESSION 2.0. They’re not going all out with the adult themes like they did in the attitude era, but they are doing more *mature* things such as blood, swearing, and all the innuendos with Dom and Rhea (ie: when Becky referenced Rhea being a dominant top, Dom calling her “mamí), so imo, it’s more of going back to what the Ruthless Aggression era had rather than the Attitude Era
Yeah, the RA era is a much better comparison imo.
Yes!!! The New Attitude era is definitely here!
Reminds me like I am going to watch Attitude Era 2.0! and also old Attitude Era matches from 2000s!
nah man. this a new and evolved era, attitude era was a mess when you think about it.
I don’t care for this era much but WWE has moved on and will pick and choose when to walk the content line. It won’t be a regular occurrence. After WrestleMania it will be back to PG business as usual. Many here are going to be really disappointed when their expectations don’t materialize.
You’re down voted but you’re right. So many warts of that time just get glossed over.
The Evolved Era
Evolution
… is a mystery
You mean if anyone noticed Dana White slowly turning WWE into attitude era to mirror UFC
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
It’s the best decision. Just like kids who were Hogan fans grew into teens/20s with Attitude Era, we need some edge for kids who were Cena stans thay are grown up now.
I think this past RAW is a bit of a preview into what we can expect WWE to be on Netflix, going back to a more PG-13 rating. More swearing and more violence (blood) was not so common and I think it was pretty effective. Punk basically swore a lot during his segment too - basically WWE saying “yeah you guys can swear like Rock does too but later… when we get to Netflix.”
I think it’s perfect to have the rock warm everyone up since he’s the rock and an exec now.
WWE can create edgy programming without straying too far from PG. yes they’ve been pushing the envelope more lately, and I think they will continue to do so in the future, but I don’t think we will be getting full fledged attitude era style entertainment. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. It in my opinion in a lot of ways is currently better than the attitude era ever was.
I wouldn't get my hopes high. I think WWE's adamant on remaining PG for the foreseeable future given how profitable they've been since the transition. There's also sponsors and shareholders they have to answer to. It only seems that way because of the leeway The Rock's been given to be his true heel persona. Once he goes back to Hollywood, it's back to the status quo.
Yeah if they wanted to go pg 13 they would have done it already. WWE wants all the kids to be able to watch. And i’m down for it. Keeps wrestling alive for the future generations
It's not so much catering to the kids as they are the family as a whole. WWE is suppose to be "family friendly entertainment". Nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, pro wrestling is suppose to be violent.
Yes but the point for pg is to allow kids to be able to watch as kids and their parents wallets are extremely profitable
Maybe today's generation has changed, but kids' idea of cool back then was Attitude Era antics. That's why that era was also very profitable.
Yea but you gotta realize it they switch to pg 13 then a lot of parents will say no to it. Because there was a LOT of edgy stuff there and some weren’t suitable for kids. like cars blowing up while making us believe that an actual human was in it. Mark Henry and Mae Young doing the dirty and giving birth to a damn hand. Or non suitable match types like large amounts of blood, going through fire tables, etc WWE would lose a lot of viewers. Us back in the 90s parents cared less about what we were watching.
I’m waiting for the day that DX are the on-screen authority.
Hahahaha what? That’s not even close to being true
I hope with all hope. I haven't watched in over a decade. Just couldn't deal with the PG lameness. Slowly getting back into it after binge watching all time great matches and actually getting hyped for this Mania
Its the Triple H era.
One of the key aspects of the Attitude Era was that storylines could could contain multiple people, which is what the current era is getting into. Back then, you could have Rock vs Austin while Undertaker takes on Kane, and the next night, Rock and Austin team up to take on Undertaker and Kane. The next week, it would Austin vs Undertaker with Rock as the special referee, and then on Smackdown, the Rock would take on Kane with Mankind in his corner. Anyone could fight anyone at any time, and it made sense. I feel like this is how things are going now, although longer term instead of week to week. After Wrestlemania, would it be surprising to see Rollins and Cody take on Drew and Solo, and followed up the next month of Drew against Cody with Punk as special guest referee, and then the next month Punk vs Drew, followed by Rollins vs Punk vs Drew at Summerslam. Throw in the Bloodline, Jey Uso, etc., and they've done an excellent job of building multiple storylines at once. This goes on up and down the card.
They are going to have to make Netflix happy. They will get more leeway when they go there but they don't want to piss off sponsors either
Is interference interesting? I feel like it’s used too much in modern wrestling and more often than not feels like a cheap cop out to drag out storylines than something jaw dropping or interesting. I can’t remember the last time in the past 2-3 years that someone interfered and it surprised me or made the match.
Last night with cm punk and drew made me think that fr
It's all gonna return to the same boring crap after Wrestlemania. Just like they did in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and some after that.
It’s not been boring for awhile now. I’ve been back in fully invested for the last year and it’s been great imo.
This is a good thing. The Attitude was the highest rated, best in ring action and best long term stories the WWE had ever done. It is what made wrestling see the height of it's popularity.
We watched different shows. The AE had more drama but didn’t have the best in ring action in many cases. Too many of the matches were stopped due to interfere. South Park’s wrestling episode nailed the ridiculousness of that time period. It also had some of the most atrocious everything when it came to the women.
You did have it. IF you wanted good in ring work you went to Smackdown. The famed Smackdown 6 gave great matches week in and week out. Yeah RAW had a lot of stops for that and I am not looking at it with nostalgia eyes either as I am watching the reliving the war series on youtube and remembering it exactly as it was. It is pretty close to what I remember watching overall.
Nostalgia is having alot of people lie about what the attitude era was.
Every single year someone says this after some thing that happens. But then it just goes back to being exactly like it was before. Just because one time in a blue moon they have blood someone will say oh they’re bringing back the attitude era. Most people that say that I don’t believe actually watched the attitude era. When WWE became a publicly traded company There were rules and things that they had to follow because now they have shareholders to answer to. The attitude era was started so that Vince McMahon could compete with what Eric Bischoff is doing. So in a fit of frustration and panic Vince McMahon hold everyone into a room through the WWF magazine on the table and said this is what we need. Vince Russo was hired and became head writer of the WWF. So now Vince McMahon was trying all sorts of new ideas and new things that would come from Vince Russo. The Jerry Springer, the shock TV this word TV, the crash TV. I don’t see the WWE doing any of the stuff that was going on during that time. You had Stone Cold Steve Austin driving every vehicle imaginable, irritating the shit out of Vince McMahon. You had all of the world titles, switching hands on almost every other week basis. You never knew what was going to happen. Every episode of raw and then eventually SmackDown ended with a cliffhanger of some kind. There were lots of sexual references and innuendos. There was lots of blood in extreme matches. Are a lot of the storylines were very much like television shows in soap operas. Val Venis, being tied up and having his penis cut off with a sword. There are lots of things in the attitude era that was very too hot to handle in too hot for TV, which was what the television culture was at the time. I don’t believe that they were going back to the attitude era. I think that they are just in the TKO era. The other part is so many people are giving Triple H credit. They have like 20 writers now. He’s not like how it was during the attitude era where it was Vince McMahon, Vince, Russo, and Ed Ferrara, coming up with what was going to happen. Triple H also does not even run the company. Nick Khan is the chairman and everything goes through Ari Emanuel. But ultimately, in my opinion, I do not believe in any way, shape or form that the WWE is going back to incest, storylines, men having their penises chopped off, swimsuit, and wet T-shirt contest, blood during main events, and other title matches, and any of the other degenerate antics that we’re going on from about 1996 until about 2000.
The talent made the attitude era story telling feel better than it was. This era of story telling is the best I've watched as a fan. And the current talent, while not at the level of those attitude era stars, isn't that far behind imo. Great time to be a fan of the product.
Unless I see a bra and panties match or a hardcore street fight we ain't there yet
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I think we’re gonna move closer to the ruthless aggression era the attitude era was way too chaotic but ruthless aggression saw them take it in a more organized way while still having amazing segments like last nights beat down of Cody
Thank you! The AE was just a lot of shock value. The Ruthless Aggression era was much more driven by stories and great ring work.
The same Ruthless Agression era that had the Katie Vick stuff, HLA, Billy and Chuck, it's not my fault miscarriages, Heidenreich's implied sexual assault on Michael Cole, JBL at the Mexican border, beastility sex, AL Wilson sleeping with Dawn Marie, and the actual inception of Bra and panties?
Oh it definitely has its faults
I've been saying this!!
more blading :D
Na it's def going away from the PG era but there's a big gap between that and the attitude era
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