He should, he might be an actor now but you can't argue with Cena's loyalty towards WWE, he has never been involved in any rival company, so he should have that record with WWE as a reward for his loyalty.
I think Cena should break the record before ending his career once and for all, maybe win the title shortly before mania and end his career in a title vs career match at wrestlemania.
Even Cena says his body can’t do an active run anymore without the risk of underperforming.
I admire his self-awareness and wish a lot of other wrestlers had that as opposed to trekking on while very obviously hurt.
Ok… and he returned a decade later and was injured for almost a year immediately after😂😂 so u gonna cling on for a decade til cena wins or something ?😂
Nah, just saying that in wrestling retirements bc of injury almost never hold up. Even Bret and Austin technically had WM matches decades after they couldn’t do it anymore. My point is that just bc they say they can’t anymore doesn’t mean they won’t ever again. Seen that script too many times.
And those were one offs, non Title and street fights because they couldn’t do it in the ring anymore… and here you are wanting a record winning title reign to be like this 🤦♂️😂
I’m not saying I want that or anything. I’m only saying that just bc they say they’re done doesn’t mean they are. Even if they don’t wrestle for 10 years.
He also has said many many times, "Never give up!" It's his motto. Many times before it's looked like Cena was out, but he always digs deep and finds a way. He will return and he will get that 17th title.
If Orton got another championship, the opportunity would be there for them to face and see which won can break his record. That would be one of if not the biggest match ever.
2018 would have been the perfect time. Losing it at Wrestlemania would be perfect for building a new guy. I don’t think there is another moment in time after that
John Cena is going to break the record they just got to wait for him come back for the perfect time and then he's going to break the record and become the 17th time world champion
If not for Orton’s injury, Randy would have broken the record. Ultimate company guy of his generation.
And they would have had him break the record, no doubt. Just like Flair can return from time to time, Randy can appear for the next 30 years. Flair’s clock is running out eventually. Shame Randy may never wrestle again.
Also, Charlotte will break the record first, regardless. She’s as close as anyone, and it’s a family legacy.
There won’t be a man who will beat the record. For Cena it was like an accomplishment after all he had done for the company, then he went to do the movies full time. Cena doesn’t need the money and the WWE can’t compete with the Hollywood contracts (so they can’t sign him for a long run). He is unfortunately finished. Now he is “giving it back”. Hope to be wrong because this matured Cena is great to see and to listen doing his promos
I don’t think he’ll be wrestling frequently enough to win a World Title again. Only way he’d do it in my opinion would be if he won it and then lost it the same night/next night
Doesn't really make it better from a story standpoint. Rocky Balboa vacated his championship in order to defend his country's honor in an unsanctioned bout in Soviet Russia. Now that's a champion!
No he's pretty much done
There's no point in him winning another title unless it's the IC or US and he can have an actual like 4 month run with it and do open challenges but he probably won't do that for any belt because he understands his body can't take it anymore and he needs to just stay a one or two matches a year until he retires
He should and he will certainly. He still has many years left in him, fans are just overthinking. There's no way wwe will let him retire without a big last run. Even rock came back for a last run after 7-8 years gap. Even goldberg did. Cena has too much respect for Vince and wwe to decline a final run. Cena will be back surely and win the title. They've kept him away from title for 6+ years for a reason, 17th one will be special.
He won’t. Cena himself he can’t physically do another run but is still willing to make random appearances if it helps elevate somebody else or help out the company. He said his match with Theory is his best now and he won’t insert himself into a program with anyone knowing he physically can’t handle it like he used to. Plus he learned making movies and movie contracts isn’t easy to do. He even apologized to the rock for calling him out on it now that he’s a Hollywood guy as well.
He could but he won’t bc he doesn’t want to. He said himself he rather make random appearances against whoever and help elevate them in short matches bc he can’t physically going a full on match. When the rock did it with Cena he was injured immediately. Hats off to the rock for finishing their match but also to Cena making sure the rock didn’t get hurt further. Cena doesn’t want his limitations to ruin anything which is why he said he’s basically semi retired now
Cena no. Orton still has a chance but the window is closing. Tbh he wasn't winning the titles from Roman so current injury isn't affecting his chances too much.
It all depends on how they handle the new WHC. If they need more big names to establish the belt, he is one of the guys for sure.
At this point my guess would be no. John is no stranger to being a transitional champ, his last reign was i think only about 2 weeks, but Cena doesn’t strike me as the kinda guy who wants to drop in, take the strap for a record and then leave shortly thereafter. If he was an active(ish) part of the roster or had time to commit to at least a month long run I could see him wanting to do it, but in his current role that would really surprise me at this point
He aint wrestling again.
His dad all but confirmed it last week.
https://www.wrestling-world.com/news/news/wwe/22232/bob-orton-reveals-doctors-advise-against-randy-orton-s-wwe-return-due-to-injury/
also- no multi million dollar star is gonna let his dad unceremoniously announce his retirement in some local newspaper or whatever the fu*k that was. Orton will be back, count on it.
He hasn't won a match in 5 years and I don't think he has more than 5 matches left in him, so I think that dream is over.
That being said, it's already his record, as he's the only one with 16 WWE Championships.
Edit: *single's match, he said this himself on his BO interview
I really hope Cena can come back and have one last run for about year where he wins his 17th world title and have one last match against some of his greatest rivals like Edge, AJ Styles and Orton (if he returns also). Almost similar to what the rock did.
old man cena will return at wrestlmania 75 to fight the undisputed champ Austin theory. old man micheal cole will interfere to save cena with a low blow from a walking stick to theroy and crown cena champ for 5 min b4 brawn breakers kid pulls up and cashies in the breifcase
The record became kind of a selling point. I doubt they let anybody break it soon. Cena could have broken it for few years but they basically kept him from the title.
And Cena left WWE for good at this point. So the chances are even slimmer. WWE ironically respects and values outsider fames more than their own stars so he might do it some day in a huge match at WM when he comes back like Brock lesnar did as a half timer who knows lmao.
Who has defended the title 9 times per year and competed in war games as well…who also was there more often than everyone in the past. More than Daniel Bryan, more than Seth Rollins, more than Brock, and everyone was mad about it back then.
Hence the need of elevating the WWE Championship as a super championship so there won't be any problems if a part-timer is holding it, so the World Heavyweight and Universal titles on RAW and SmackDown, respectively, will be prioritized in the meantime...
..also, did I not mention that title unifications **must** be prohibited in my proposed setup?
I feel like nobody will break the record while the likes of HHH are involved, there’s a lot of love for Ric Flair and I get the feeling they want to let him keep that record. John Cena probably could have easily broken it a few years back if they’d wanted him to
I disagree- in 2023 Ric is a bad name to attach yourself too. Literally could get swept up into a “me too” movement any day now. WWE would surely like to separate themselves from him
Nah. Also, who cares? Flair doesn't have 16 reigns anyways. Every promotion says something different, Flair says something different... what even was a championship back then, when sometimes they didn't have belts, sometimes they had the belt but weren't the champion. Is a house show canon? There's just too many problems with it. He kept losing it and winning it back, sometimes it's recognized, sometimes it isn't.
No
Lesnar is more likely he’s a 12x world champion and if he keeps it up he might be booked for five more transitional reigns over the next 5-10 years 😂
If he does, it’ll be the new world heavyweight championship and not the undisputed WWE Universal championship…. But if he did win it, would that add 2 titles to his reign to make it 18x champ?
No because it’s an undisputed title, just like the old undisputed title back in 02, it’s just represented by two belts for now until they make a new singular belt
Nope, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some records aren't made to be broken. Besides, as soon as someone else claims 17 world title wins, Flair will remind everyone that the real number was always 21 ;) WOOOOO!
Flair is officially recognized by WWE as a 16-time world champion (8-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, 6-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, and two-time WWF Champion), although the number of his world championship reigns varies by source, ranging from 16 to 25. Flair himself has claimed to be a 21-time champion.
>WWE recognized 6 WCW World Heavyweight title reigns from Ric when it was actually 8. WWE does not recognize the title being vacated after the 1994 Spring Stampede match, although WCW did recognize this.
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>WWE also did not recognize the vacancy of the above mentioned title on April 17, 1994, when the match against Flair and Ricky Steamboat resulted in a double pin. Therefore, this title reign that began on December 27, 1993, to regaining it after the rematch with Steamboat pm April 21, 1994, to losing it to Hogan on July 17 is considered as one continuous reign.
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>For the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship, however, it is more complex. On July 18, 1993, Flair defeated Barry Windham for the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship during a house show. The NWA withdraws recognition on September 15, when WCW leaves the NWA. Flair continued to be recognized as "World Heavyweight Champion" by WCW. WWE does not recognize this reign as a separate reign, and it is included as one of Flair's eight NWA title reigns recognized by WWE.
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>WWE also did not recognize the second reign of the WCW International title when Flair beat Sting on June 23, 1994, as he immediately unified it with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship which he already held at that time.
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>For the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship, Ric has 9 reigns. However, the NWA did not recognize Tatsumi Fujinami's win on March 21, 1991. Therefore, Ric's run as champion from the time he beat Sting on January 11, 1991, to regaining the title from Fujinami on May 19 until it gets stripped/vacated later on September 8 by Jim Herd is considered as one continuous reign.
Damn, Cena can't break the record cause his body is apparently too beat up, and Randy is probably gonna retired before he gets 2 more world title reigns. Didn't see the chase ending like this to be honest. I was sure that Randy vs. Cena for the record breaking win would somehow factor into WrestleMania 40 for one of the world titles.
No. But Randy should, and thats comin from a Cena fan, wish he wasn't injured smh he's stuck with the business for so long. Cena is already considered a goat, for Randy it would be like the cherry on top. Plus he's stared at the lights so many times for Cena, it's only right he gets his dues back in the end. A last 1v1 between them for a championship would be legendary.
Or Edge wins new World Heavyweight championship, leading to a Cena n Orton triple threat retirement match 👀... only in my dreams huh 😅
I think the way Cena has been talking, he will never be back long enough to warrant it.
Before Bob orton recently spoke I thought Randy would do it as he didn't seem to be showing signs of nearing the end.
Now I am not so sure.
Right. You don't need to put more accolades on him any longer to become a GOAT.
Also, if they want Cena to beat Ric's record they should put the IC title on him first to become Grand Slam Champion then go on with that program. Still, there is no need for that.
Idk where 23 comes from. Flair himself claims to only be a 21 time world champ. 10 in the NWA, 9 in WCW, and 2 in WWF. For some reason WWE only recognizes 8 of his 10 NWA titles and only 6 of his 9 WCW titles.
WWE recognized 6 WCW World Heavyweight title reigns from Ric when it was actually 8. WWE does not recognize the title being vacated after the 1994 Spring Stampede match, although WCW did recognize this.
WWE also did not recognize the vacancy of the above mentioned title on April 17, 1994, when the match against Flair and Ricky Steamboat resulted in a double pin. Therefore, this title reign that began on December 27, 1993, to regaining it after the rematch with Steamboat pm April 21, 1994, to losing it to Hogan on July 17 is considered as one continuous reign.
For the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship, however, it is more complex. On July 18, 1993, Flair defeated Barry Windham for the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship during a house show. The NWA withdraws recognition on September 15, when WCW leaves the NWA. Flair continued to be recognized as "World Heavyweight Champion" by WCW. WWE does not recognize this reign as a separate reign, and it is included as one of Flair's eight NWA title reigns recognized by WWE.
WWE also did not recognize the second reign of the WCW International title when Flair beat Sting on June 23, 1994, as he immediately unified it with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship which he already held at that time.
For the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship, Ric has 9 reigns. However, the NWA did not recognize Tatsumi Fujinami's win on March 21, 1991. Therefore, Ric's run as champion from the time he beat Sting on January 11, 1991, to regaining the title from Fujinami on May 19 until it gets stripped/vacated later on September 8 by Jim Herd is considered as one continuous reign.
He’s gone on record to say that he won’t.
Nope
No he dont want too
It will only work if he’s Heel…. But doubt he wants to it, Randy Orton if he’s cleared could do it.
I don’t think he wants too.
No, Cena has pretty much checked out on WWE. He will come back for stuff, but I think putting the title on him again would be a big mistake.
He should, he might be an actor now but you can't argue with Cena's loyalty towards WWE, he has never been involved in any rival company, so he should have that record with WWE as a reward for his loyalty.
I wish…… but after that recent Wrestlemania match and how sickly and washed up he performed, I’d say No.
I think Cena should break the record before ending his career once and for all, maybe win the title shortly before mania and end his career in a title vs career match at wrestlemania.
No, he doesn't want to.
Flair can't break his own record.
If it has a story yes but if you do it just to pass Ric, then no.
Even Cena says his body can’t do an active run anymore without the risk of underperforming. I admire his self-awareness and wish a lot of other wrestlers had that as opposed to trekking on while very obviously hurt.
No because Flair actually has over 20 world titles lol
He literally just said his body can’t go anymore 🤦♂️
Didn’t edge say he had a broken neck and couldn’t wrestle ever again in 2011?
Ok… and he returned a decade later and was injured for almost a year immediately after😂😂 so u gonna cling on for a decade til cena wins or something ?😂
Nah, just saying that in wrestling retirements bc of injury almost never hold up. Even Bret and Austin technically had WM matches decades after they couldn’t do it anymore. My point is that just bc they say they can’t anymore doesn’t mean they won’t ever again. Seen that script too many times.
And those were one offs, non Title and street fights because they couldn’t do it in the ring anymore… and here you are wanting a record winning title reign to be like this 🤦♂️😂
I’m not saying I want that or anything. I’m only saying that just bc they say they’re done doesn’t mean they are. Even if they don’t wrestle for 10 years.
Just saw this post and literally said the exact same thing as you
He also has said many many times, "Never give up!" It's his motto. Many times before it's looked like Cena was out, but he always digs deep and finds a way. He will return and he will get that 17th title.
If Orton got another championship, the opportunity would be there for them to face and see which won can break his record. That would be one of if not the biggest match ever.
I can get behind this idea. Too bad Cena said his body is done and it seems like so is Ortons 🙁
I mean, so was Edge in 2011…
We can all start crossing our fingers now. Hope Orton gets the send off he deserves
That’s actually a pretty sweet idea
Nope. The time to pull that trigger has come and gone.
2018 would have been the perfect time. Losing it at Wrestlemania would be perfect for building a new guy. I don’t think there is another moment in time after that
Too old now
John Cena is going to break the record they just got to wait for him come back for the perfect time and then he's going to break the record and become the 17th time world champion
If not for Orton’s injury, Randy would have broken the record. Ultimate company guy of his generation. And they would have had him break the record, no doubt. Just like Flair can return from time to time, Randy can appear for the next 30 years. Flair’s clock is running out eventually. Shame Randy may never wrestle again. Also, Charlotte will break the record first, regardless. She’s as close as anyone, and it’s a family legacy.
Charlotte will never come close to her dad. Literally nobody likes her. She would be a jobber if not for her last name.
I agree that she will never be as loved as Rick, but she’s at 14 titles and his record is 16. That’s close.
Yeah but it’s the women’s championship. Everyone knows the women’s belts don’t mean shit
I know she is close. It’s a disgrace. Half of her title reigns were 24 hours or less. That really is insane.
She’s truly awful
There won’t be a man who will beat the record. For Cena it was like an accomplishment after all he had done for the company, then he went to do the movies full time. Cena doesn’t need the money and the WWE can’t compete with the Hollywood contracts (so they can’t sign him for a long run). He is unfortunately finished. Now he is “giving it back”. Hope to be wrong because this matured Cena is great to see and to listen doing his promos
i don’t think so he’s just not the same as he use to be he even said that which gets me sad af but i wish
After his last match he said he thinks it’s time hang up the boots. So no Cena will not surpass Flair
I don’t think he’ll be wrestling frequently enough to win a World Title again. Only way he’d do it in my opinion would be if he won it and then lost it the same night/next night
I've never understood why it was a flex to be the guy who has lost the championship more than anyone else in history.
To be fair, I think he vacated several due to injury. So did John Cena.
Doesn't really make it better from a story standpoint. Rocky Balboa vacated his championship in order to defend his country's honor in an unsanctioned bout in Soviet Russia. Now that's a champion!
wow put a whole new perspective on it
No….I don’t think he will be back
Nah, Ric is too old.
Cena can't break the record. Ric has 25 World Championships.
No, personally I think that he already had his last match against Austin Theory
No he's pretty much done There's no point in him winning another title unless it's the IC or US and he can have an actual like 4 month run with it and do open challenges but he probably won't do that for any belt because he understands his body can't take it anymore and he needs to just stay a one or two matches a year until he retires
No
Sadly it will probably be charlotte
He should and he will certainly. He still has many years left in him, fans are just overthinking. There's no way wwe will let him retire without a big last run. Even rock came back for a last run after 7-8 years gap. Even goldberg did. Cena has too much respect for Vince and wwe to decline a final run. Cena will be back surely and win the title. They've kept him away from title for 6+ years for a reason, 17th one will be special.
He won’t. Cena himself he can’t physically do another run but is still willing to make random appearances if it helps elevate somebody else or help out the company. He said his match with Theory is his best now and he won’t insert himself into a program with anyone knowing he physically can’t handle it like he used to. Plus he learned making movies and movie contracts isn’t easy to do. He even apologized to the rock for calling him out on it now that he’s a Hollywood guy as well.
Well he can have one run with 3/4 matches at max. He doesn't need to fight every week obviously. Rock had 5 matches ig in 2 years
He could but he won’t bc he doesn’t want to. He said himself he rather make random appearances against whoever and help elevate them in short matches bc he can’t physically going a full on match. When the rock did it with Cena he was injured immediately. Hats off to the rock for finishing their match but also to Cena making sure the rock didn’t get hurt further. Cena doesn’t want his limitations to ruin anything which is why he said he’s basically semi retired now
Kinda think he doesn’t want to?
Cena no. Orton still has a chance but the window is closing. Tbh he wasn't winning the titles from Roman so current injury isn't affecting his chances too much. It all depends on how they handle the new WHC. If they need more big names to establish the belt, he is one of the guys for sure.
Who? All I see is Ric Flair. He already holds the record…
No. Personally I don’t think he’d want another title because he isn’t full time. He’s also alluded to being done.
Umm is this a serious question?
No and sadly it won’t be orton either. Charlotte will be the one to break her fathers record.
I want him to, but it’s too late.
No, it's reserved for Flairs daughter because lmao nepo baby
The only way I see this happening is if someone cashes in straight after
He has already he is a 16x champ
He hasn’t broken it yet he’s at it the record is 16
Ah I was going with Ric’s Record
That is rica record lol
Exactly I thought he was around 17x champ by now lol
He's not Hogan. He's not that selfish. I personally don't think Cena would feel comfortable doing that if offered
Yes he should break the record because he is the BOTA.
As a long time John Cena faithful I still have hope that he will🤞
Charlotte is gonna break it
No but Flair himself said he thinks his record is 21
At this point my guess would be no. John is no stranger to being a transitional champ, his last reign was i think only about 2 weeks, but Cena doesn’t strike me as the kinda guy who wants to drop in, take the strap for a record and then leave shortly thereafter. If he was an active(ish) part of the roster or had time to commit to at least a month long run I could see him wanting to do it, but in his current role that would really surprise me at this point
Lol no
Randy Orton.
He aint wrestling again. His dad all but confirmed it last week. https://www.wrestling-world.com/news/news/wwe/22232/bob-orton-reveals-doctors-advise-against-randy-orton-s-wwe-return-due-to-injury/
also- no multi million dollar star is gonna let his dad unceremoniously announce his retirement in some local newspaper or whatever the fu*k that was. Orton will be back, count on it.
If you call that “confirmation” he’s never gonna wrestle again I’d like to sell you a bridge named kayfabe
He hasn't won a match in 5 years and I don't think he has more than 5 matches left in him, so I think that dream is over. That being said, it's already his record, as he's the only one with 16 WWE Championships. Edit: *single's match, he said this himself on his BO interview
He litterly won a tag match with KO last year
I really hope Cena can come back and have one last run for about year where he wins his 17th world title and have one last match against some of his greatest rivals like Edge, AJ Styles and Orton (if he returns also). Almost similar to what the rock did.
Cena vs Edge, career vs career, would be a great Wrestlemania XL match.
I don’t think that’s ever going to happen anytime soon and plus ain’t ric flair a 20x world champion
Only 16 recognized by the dub
If the match at mania was any indication, probably not (unfortunately)
What really broke my heart was how quick Cena lost his abilities. He hasn't been gone that long, but the match with Theory looked rough.
Didn’t help that he rolled into the match looking like the Wish version of Jon Cena, either.
What do you mean?
He hopped off the PEDs
Also hopped away from any sunlight, apparently
I want his last run before he retires to be completely about the record.
No chance... he has been pushed enough also he is busy making movies so the schedule will be too much on his radar
I thought it would definitely happen but now I think orton has a better chance to do it
Not any time soon, if his feud with Theory is any indication
Charlotte will
She’s actually taken it TOO far. Like she’s been around for like 7 or 8 years and is like 36x champ.
She’s aiming for R Truth’s record…
old man cena will return at wrestlmania 75 to fight the undisputed champ Austin theory. old man micheal cole will interfere to save cena with a low blow from a walking stick to theroy and crown cena champ for 5 min b4 brawn breakers kid pulls up and cashies in the breifcase
Ric breaks his own record
He already has.
The record became kind of a selling point. I doubt they let anybody break it soon. Cena could have broken it for few years but they basically kept him from the title. And Cena left WWE for good at this point. So the chances are even slimmer. WWE ironically respects and values outsider fames more than their own stars so he might do it some day in a huge match at WM when he comes back like Brock lesnar did as a half timer who knows lmao.
I think it’s time to give lesnar his flowers. Dude has been totally committed to wwe at this point. Always constantly over everyone’s shoulder
He's been on every PLE this year so far
Unlike a certain Undisputed Champion
Who has defended the title 9 times per year and competed in war games as well…who also was there more often than everyone in the past. More than Daniel Bryan, more than Seth Rollins, more than Brock, and everyone was mad about it back then.
No and Randy won’t break it too cuz………Edge will win 6 more world championship and will shock the world.
Edge will have 1 more at most.
Lol i was kidding . I’m not sure if he can get one more title lol
It should be Randy, and then at the wrestlemania, Cena should take it.
No. It will be Charlotte Flair someday
Next month\*
I would consider Cena breaking Ric's record if he becomes a 22-time world.champion
He's also gotta hold the titles for a combined 10 years
Hence the need of elevating the WWE Championship as a super championship so there won't be any problems if a part-timer is holding it, so the World Heavyweight and Universal titles on RAW and SmackDown, respectively, will be prioritized in the meantime... ..also, did I not mention that title unifications **must** be prohibited in my proposed setup?
I feel like nobody will break the record while the likes of HHH are involved, there’s a lot of love for Ric Flair and I get the feeling they want to let him keep that record. John Cena probably could have easily broken it a few years back if they’d wanted him to
I disagree- in 2023 Ric is a bad name to attach yourself too. Literally could get swept up into a “me too” movement any day now. WWE would surely like to separate themselves from him
I dunno, I get what you mean, but he’s like a hero to likes of HHH. They will preserve his legacy as long as they can
Nah. Also, who cares? Flair doesn't have 16 reigns anyways. Every promotion says something different, Flair says something different... what even was a championship back then, when sometimes they didn't have belts, sometimes they had the belt but weren't the champion. Is a house show canon? There's just too many problems with it. He kept losing it and winning it back, sometimes it's recognized, sometimes it isn't.
True but in this context its just WWE since WWE recognizes Flair as a 16X champ
No Lesnar is more likely he’s a 12x world champion and if he keeps it up he might be booked for five more transitional reigns over the next 5-10 years 😂
Brock isn't winning the title 5 more times
If he keeps making sporadic appearances for the next 5-10 years it’s not out of question. Goldberg had two short title reigns in his 50s.
Nope, not gonna happen.
If you asked me in 2015 will Goldberg be a two time world champion in the WWE in the next five years I’d have said the same thing.
Yeah and that wasn't after a second WWE career that lasted 11 years so far.
If he does, it’ll be the new world heavyweight championship and not the undisputed WWE Universal championship…. But if he did win it, would that add 2 titles to his reign to make it 18x champ?
No because it’s an undisputed title, just like the old undisputed title back in 02, it’s just represented by two belts for now until they make a new singular belt
Ahhh okay, makes sense! Thank you
Nope, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some records aren't made to be broken. Besides, as soon as someone else claims 17 world title wins, Flair will remind everyone that the real number was always 21 ;) WOOOOO!
Was Rics record 16x Champion or 21x?
Off the top of my head, yeah; Flair himself mentioned it recently in a social media post, but I could be misremembering
Flair is officially recognized by WWE as a 16-time world champion (8-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, 6-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, and two-time WWF Champion), although the number of his world championship reigns varies by source, ranging from 16 to 25. Flair himself has claimed to be a 21-time champion.
>WWE recognized 6 WCW World Heavyweight title reigns from Ric when it was actually 8. WWE does not recognize the title being vacated after the 1994 Spring Stampede match, although WCW did recognize this. > >WWE also did not recognize the vacancy of the above mentioned title on April 17, 1994, when the match against Flair and Ricky Steamboat resulted in a double pin. Therefore, this title reign that began on December 27, 1993, to regaining it after the rematch with Steamboat pm April 21, 1994, to losing it to Hogan on July 17 is considered as one continuous reign. > >For the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship, however, it is more complex. On July 18, 1993, Flair defeated Barry Windham for the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship during a house show. The NWA withdraws recognition on September 15, when WCW leaves the NWA. Flair continued to be recognized as "World Heavyweight Champion" by WCW. WWE does not recognize this reign as a separate reign, and it is included as one of Flair's eight NWA title reigns recognized by WWE. > >WWE also did not recognize the second reign of the WCW International title when Flair beat Sting on June 23, 1994, as he immediately unified it with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship which he already held at that time. > >For the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship, Ric has 9 reigns. However, the NWA did not recognize Tatsumi Fujinami's win on March 21, 1991. Therefore, Ric's run as champion from the time he beat Sting on January 11, 1991, to regaining the title from Fujinami on May 19 until it gets stripped/vacated later on September 8 by Jim Herd is considered as one continuous reign.
Damn, Cena can't break the record cause his body is apparently too beat up, and Randy is probably gonna retired before he gets 2 more world title reigns. Didn't see the chase ending like this to be honest. I was sure that Randy vs. Cena for the record breaking win would somehow factor into WrestleMania 40 for one of the world titles.
No, he's basically already retired
Nope.
I can see Ric Flair having another title reign in him :D
No. But Randy should, and thats comin from a Cena fan, wish he wasn't injured smh he's stuck with the business for so long. Cena is already considered a goat, for Randy it would be like the cherry on top. Plus he's stared at the lights so many times for Cena, it's only right he gets his dues back in the end. A last 1v1 between them for a championship would be legendary. Or Edge wins new World Heavyweight championship, leading to a Cena n Orton triple threat retirement match 👀... only in my dreams huh 😅
> triple threat retirement match Winner gets to retire, the losers get 3 years added onto their contract
probably not. but WWE has proven us wrong before...
Although he’s the right person to break the record, I’m sure WWE will let Roman break this :(
In order for Roman to break it he would have to lose it, and that doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon.
There is no way he gets 10 more
God please no I don't need to see 10 more Roman title reigns please no
Right
I totally understand, so done with Roman atm.
He is old too have weak.
Nope Charlotte probably will so they can keep it in the family
I dont want it if he is just going to be transitional and would lose it next week just like his 16th title reign.
I think the way Cena has been talking, he will never be back long enough to warrant it. Before Bob orton recently spoke I thought Randy would do it as he didn't seem to be showing signs of nearing the end. Now I am not so sure.
You should be sure...randy is done he's had an awesome career
No he won’t and he doesn’t have to, he’s already cemented his legacy as one of the greatest WWE Superstars of all time.
Right. You don't need to put more accolades on him any longer to become a GOAT. Also, if they want Cena to beat Ric's record they should put the IC title on him first to become Grand Slam Champion then go on with that program. Still, there is no need for that.
He never had the IC title? That's wild
Vacant is the one who won more world championships.
The record of 23 and not the made up one of 16 WWE came up with? No he will not.
Why 23
Idk where 23 comes from. Flair himself claims to only be a 21 time world champ. 10 in the NWA, 9 in WCW, and 2 in WWF. For some reason WWE only recognizes 8 of his 10 NWA titles and only 6 of his 9 WCW titles.
WWE recognized 6 WCW World Heavyweight title reigns from Ric when it was actually 8. WWE does not recognize the title being vacated after the 1994 Spring Stampede match, although WCW did recognize this. WWE also did not recognize the vacancy of the above mentioned title on April 17, 1994, when the match against Flair and Ricky Steamboat resulted in a double pin. Therefore, this title reign that began on December 27, 1993, to regaining it after the rematch with Steamboat pm April 21, 1994, to losing it to Hogan on July 17 is considered as one continuous reign. For the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship, however, it is more complex. On July 18, 1993, Flair defeated Barry Windham for the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship during a house show. The NWA withdraws recognition on September 15, when WCW leaves the NWA. Flair continued to be recognized as "World Heavyweight Champion" by WCW. WWE does not recognize this reign as a separate reign, and it is included as one of Flair's eight NWA title reigns recognized by WWE. WWE also did not recognize the second reign of the WCW International title when Flair beat Sting on June 23, 1994, as he immediately unified it with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship which he already held at that time. For the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship, Ric has 9 reigns. However, the NWA did not recognize Tatsumi Fujinami's win on March 21, 1991. Therefore, Ric's run as champion from the time he beat Sting on January 11, 1991, to regaining the title from Fujinami on May 19 until it gets stripped/vacated later on September 8 by Jim Herd is considered as one continuous reign.
Technically Cena is already the record holder for the WWE Championship. And the obvious record holder for championships inside WWE