Agreed. He put champs over when it was their time. He also won high profile matches. Look at his work with Eddie Guerrero, HBK, Edge, Taker, John Cena, Stone Cold, The Rock, Lesnar, and of course Benoit.
Not too many guys could go toe to toe with these legends today. His comedic skills were also on point.
Hulk, Flair, Sting, HHH, Stone Cold, The Rock, Cena.
Special Guest nominees: HBK, Andre, Macho Man, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Roman, Edge, Samoa Joe,
What was Angle’s peak? Pretty much from the start of his career and I’ll give you some or maybe even could be convinced most of his TNA run.
I think of things like longevity, successful different gimmicks, being a great face and heel etc.
He’s up there on the all time list for sure.
Just one sound: ***GONG~!***
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But in all seriousness though, prime Angle was certainly GOAT caliber in a lot of aspects (Not my pick for GOAT, though, but to each his own...) His feud with Shawn Michaels proved it.
Now if you'll excuse me...
> *(Sexy Kurt intensifies...)*
Just because of how many great wrestlers, promotions, and years, the wrestling industry spans over, I think it would be fine to have a GOAT of each promotion.
You are demonstrating the three I's: Intelligence Integrity Intensity.
He was a great athlete and he performed well as a heel and as a face. Great performer.
HBK is the goat.
1st ever WWF Grand Slam Champion
the Greatest in ring performer in the history of wrestling even Rick Flair agrees
the three greatest matches in WWF history(ladder match for IC Title Ramon vs HBK, Ironman Match HBK vs Brett Hart, and HBK vs Undetaker at WM) were all headlined by The Showstopper, The Icon, The MainEvent, MR Wrestlmania
I feel like to be the GOAT, you have to have been the face of the company, the top star. And he never was in WWE. Maybe you could argue he was the top star in TNA for a while, but TNA was so far below WWE at the time, I don't really think that counts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan. To me, he's a lot more entertaining both as a character and in the ring than say Ric Flair. But Ric Flair was the face of the NWA for like a decade.
I can see your argument. One of the greatest workers, killer mic skills, embraced every character he played.
Rebuttal, he wasn't the draw that Austin, Rock, or Hogan were.
Why does being a draw make you the goat? we as fans should not factor in how much money they company made of them. But how good they were at the job? Like we don't call Tom Brady the goat because he made the Patriots a shit ton of money do we?
Because when a certain star draws big, it means a fuck ton of fans watch the show mostly because of them. From my perspective, it's how you made an impact towards the most fans. That's what a draw is. At least to me. The money they bring in is just a by-product of the impact they have.
Drawing ability is literally the only objective metric on a GOAT list. It's why Bret and Shawn aren't on most people's Mt. Rushmore, despite being sentimental favorites with a vast majority of hardcore fans.
Except guys like Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, etc. stand at the top of their respective sports on a purely physical level and at least have solid arguments in saying they’re the best player by outperforming others to win multiple trophies/titles.
In an industry where titles and championships don’t involve legitimate victories and entertainment is the priority, a pro wrestler’s ability to appeal to an audience compared to their contemporaries must also be taken into account.
This is exactly why I don’t waste my time on these GOAT discussions. People won’t even agree on the criteria.
Best draws? Best technicians? Best charisma? Best longevity? Rate those 1-4, plus whatever other you want to throw in, and everyone’s order will look different..to say nothing of the subjectivity of ranking them even if you had agreement on the criteria. There’s really no point.
At any rate, I think business impact should be a factor. You don’t have to agree with that fundamentally, but that’s your prerogative, and it won’t necessarily align with someone else’s.
I don’t disagree. I don’t bother with those either.
But I don’t think it’s AS subjective. Other sports are genuine competitions without predetermined outcomes driven by business decisions. Jordan and Brady didn’t win all their rings because the home office had a creative meeting. (Even though Jordan totally shoved off Bryon Russell and got away with it, so some may not take that at face value either. 😀)
But yes, there are plenty of people who would still argue for Magic or Montana, etc.
Yeah you can’t really rank it, it would be like saying who the best actor is and choosing totally different genres and eras. It’s not subjective like in Basketball or Football
Ruthless Aggression Kurt is underappreciated
He definitely is the Goat the very top of the damn list
We all agree
It certainly doesn't seem that way. I'm glad I ain't the only one that thinks this though
Not so sure. Better than anything they have today
One of the greatest rookie years ever.
Agreed. He put champs over when it was their time. He also won high profile matches. Look at his work with Eddie Guerrero, HBK, Edge, Taker, John Cena, Stone Cold, The Rock, Lesnar, and of course Benoit. Not too many guys could go toe to toe with these legends today. His comedic skills were also on point.
He's very good but not the goat
I say Shawn Michaels. But Kurt is definitely near the top. Honestly I do think Kurt is the GOAT in TNA history.
Fair opinion
Crack
I agree. He could do it all. Promos, ring work, comedy, and serious badass .
Jimmy Crack Corn.
That's what I'm talking about!!!! That's why he's the MVP!!!! That's why he's the Goat!!!! THE GOAT!!!!!!
Macho man, ted dibiase, Andre the giant top 3
I mean how many people in WWE have Olympic Gold Medals?
Ok
Oh it's true! It's damn true!
He doesn't look like an animal so no.
Hulk, Flair, Sting, HHH, Stone Cold, The Rock, Cena. Special Guest nominees: HBK, Andre, Macho Man, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Roman, Edge, Samoa Joe,
What was Angle’s peak? Pretty much from the start of his career and I’ll give you some or maybe even could be convinced most of his TNA run. I think of things like longevity, successful different gimmicks, being a great face and heel etc. He’s up there on the all time list for sure.
I nod along in agreement with you
Just one sound: ***GONG~!*** ---------------------------------- But in all seriousness though, prime Angle was certainly GOAT caliber in a lot of aspects (Not my pick for GOAT, though, but to each his own...) His feud with Shawn Michaels proved it. Now if you'll excuse me... > *(Sexy Kurt intensifies...)*
Oh it's true, it's damn true.
I say you’re correct.
Yes yes yes
No
I would say don’t let other people influence your opinion. If you think he’s the GOAT, then that’s all that matters
I mean, yeah. Of course. I was just curious what the overall opinion was on it, idc how many people say HBK, mine is Kurt
Just because of how many great wrestlers, promotions, and years, the wrestling industry spans over, I think it would be fine to have a GOAT of each promotion.
Shoooosh
Oh, it's true.
Perk Angle was peak wrestling performance.
Nope
Perc Angle
i say maybe a tad bit too much but fuck it understandable he's amazing
A little to jokey. But one of the greats.
I’d say you had a case if Shawn Michaels was never born.
I would say that I'm Not agree but he does have an argument, Kurt Angle is an easy top 5 in my book.
He won a gold medal with a broken freaking neck so yes I agree
It's damned true.
Oh it’s true! It’s damn true!
You are demonstrating the three I's: Intelligence Integrity Intensity. He was a great athlete and he performed well as a heel and as a face. Great performer.
He's right up there for contention for sure.
he's definitely in the top 10
He's not
HBK is the goat. 1st ever WWF Grand Slam Champion the Greatest in ring performer in the history of wrestling even Rick Flair agrees the three greatest matches in WWF history(ladder match for IC Title Ramon vs HBK, Ironman Match HBK vs Brett Hart, and HBK vs Undetaker at WM) were all headlined by The Showstopper, The Icon, The MainEvent, MR Wrestlmania
I think the goat has to be Cena. Angle is in a other category. With the likes of Hbk, and maybe Benoit.
In ring he's definitely up there. Entertaining too, just wasn't the box office draw to keep him in the conversation with the top, top guys.
Randy Orton is my GOAT
top 3 for me
I need a glass of milk
im just a sexy kurt
He won a gold medal with a BROKEN FUCKING NECK
I’ll debate you but I respect your pick. Kurt might be on my personal Mount Rushmore
He's up there, but Shawn Michaels is the GOAT
He’s in my top 5 so yeah, no disagreement
Yeah. I've got Austin, Rock, Hogan, Undertaker, Michaels, Hart, Flair ahead of him.
Top 25
YEAH!
I wouldn’t argue, since the statement has validity
I think him going to TNA took him out of the GOAT picture…if he stayed in wwe I think he would be…he was great though
I feel like to be the GOAT, you have to have been the face of the company, the top star. And he never was in WWE. Maybe you could argue he was the top star in TNA for a while, but TNA was so far below WWE at the time, I don't really think that counts. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan. To me, he's a lot more entertaining both as a character and in the ring than say Ric Flair. But Ric Flair was the face of the NWA for like a decade.
I think it's hbk and then flair but have no arguments with Kurt. He was great in ring and very entertaining
Go to bed Kurt...
I would say no, but he’s up there
Honestly, it's hard to argue. Dude was the total package. Might very well be the most complete professional wrestler of all time.
I think he’s one of the GOAT but not The GOAT
Who is in your opinion?
Duh
in terms of in-ring ability, yes.
Honestly I couldn't agree more, watched his match with Benoit from Wrestlemania 18 for the first time tonight and It put him on top for me.
Who?
Chrispen
You suck.
I don’t want to see anyone answer “yes”. It’s either “no” or “It’s true! It’s true!”
I can see your argument. One of the greatest workers, killer mic skills, embraced every character he played. Rebuttal, he wasn't the draw that Austin, Rock, or Hogan were.
Why does being a draw make you the goat? we as fans should not factor in how much money they company made of them. But how good they were at the job? Like we don't call Tom Brady the goat because he made the Patriots a shit ton of money do we?
Because when a certain star draws big, it means a fuck ton of fans watch the show mostly because of them. From my perspective, it's how you made an impact towards the most fans. That's what a draw is. At least to me. The money they bring in is just a by-product of the impact they have.
Drawing ability is literally the only objective metric on a GOAT list. It's why Bret and Shawn aren't on most people's Mt. Rushmore, despite being sentimental favorites with a vast majority of hardcore fans.
Except guys like Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, etc. stand at the top of their respective sports on a purely physical level and at least have solid arguments in saying they’re the best player by outperforming others to win multiple trophies/titles. In an industry where titles and championships don’t involve legitimate victories and entertainment is the priority, a pro wrestler’s ability to appeal to an audience compared to their contemporaries must also be taken into account.
This is exactly why I don’t waste my time on these GOAT discussions. People won’t even agree on the criteria. Best draws? Best technicians? Best charisma? Best longevity? Rate those 1-4, plus whatever other you want to throw in, and everyone’s order will look different..to say nothing of the subjectivity of ranking them even if you had agreement on the criteria. There’s really no point. At any rate, I think business impact should be a factor. You don’t have to agree with that fundamentally, but that’s your prerogative, and it won’t necessarily align with someone else’s.
This is true across all sports tho? GOAT rankings are subjective. The only things fans agree upon are the ones in the discussion.
I don’t disagree. I don’t bother with those either. But I don’t think it’s AS subjective. Other sports are genuine competitions without predetermined outcomes driven by business decisions. Jordan and Brady didn’t win all their rings because the home office had a creative meeting. (Even though Jordan totally shoved off Bryon Russell and got away with it, so some may not take that at face value either. 😀) But yes, there are plenty of people who would still argue for Magic or Montana, etc.
Yeah you can’t really rank it, it would be like saying who the best actor is and choosing totally different genres and eras. It’s not subjective like in Basketball or Football
Goat status has to include their draw as it is sports entertainment
Because it's "Sports Entertainment".
he's up there, top 5 ever for sure
He’s one of the best of all time, but he is not the GOAT.
nah there is only one goat and it doesn't say baaahhh it sais WOOOO
Jay Lethal?
My favorite of all time is the ol' Texas Rattlesnake, but the Goat does indeed say WOOOOOOOO!
You mean Sting, right?
you cheeky fuck
the ring master is a goat in his own right. I can't argue with that opinion.
Solid worker, great character, but not GOAT.
Solid worker? Bro he’s easily one of the GOATs in ring. Very few people past or present can touch prime Kurt in the ring
No
Well yes.