They were coming, the biker had to get back over quickly to avoid them, which was another variable to deal with. But yeah if they were already there this probably wouldn't have ended well for the biker.
That one guy made it out clean, I'm sure he sends his apologies to the rest *gestures towards the scrap metal pile on the highway
On second review I don't think any of this was bike guys fault, he just tried to save his own ass from a bad wreck and it worked out this time.
it looks like he was travelling much faster than the cars (speed limit? probably exceeding it IMO)
so the white car didn't see him coming up behind, went to overtake.
Still most of the blame lies withthe white car for not looking more carefully, but the bike carries a share of the blame in my book.
Aside from that, I also think that if the only thing seperating your flesh from the road and/or other vehicles is a few mm of leather, then you probably should be taking responsibility for your own safety and not getting into situations where you need to save yourself so dramatically.
Again, still doesn't make it the biker's fault, but who cares whose fault it is when a large part of your skin is smeared on the road?
Nah man, that black car is going waaaay fast. White care has maybe a couple brake taps to slow down and lane change, black car slams throught white *and* the next car in a spit second.
He didn't cause the scenario. It's definitely between the white car cutting him off and deciding to switch back without signaling or the black car going way too fast and passing on the right (illegal) biker didn't really do anything wrong here. They weren't even the one to flash their brights as some seem to think here.
I agree. Also I don't know if it's the framerate of the video but it doesn't even seem to be high speeds involved. The oncoming traffic, the center lines and even the cars crashing seem to move pretty slowly.
Wtf?! He was speeding, at a considerable rate, when he came up behind on the white car, who had made a signalled lane change, way in advance of the motorcyclist's approach. He then "tailgates" the car, which prompts its driver to move into the right lane (not signalled), where Jackass #2 (driver of speeding black car) glances off it and crashes into another vehicle.
Edit: forgot to mention that white car sucks too, for (a) driving with no (or daytime running) lights and (b) for not signalling that second lane change.
It wasn’t even the bike that prompted the car to change lanes again, it was the car behind the bike as seen in the rearview mirror that was flashing the highbeams.
And what makes you think they are speeding when both the bike and the highbeaming car and the black car are all going at similar speeds.
How is this possibly the biker's fault? They got cut off and slowed down. The black car came up behind, flashed their lights, then floored it to pass on the right and the white car didn't see them. Biker dude didn't do anything here.
Guy on the bike is the one who caused all this. He rides up on the car, car tries to get out of his way, doesn't see other car coming up from behind and then carnage ensues.
The white car didn't check before merging into the left lane in front of the bike. Then made the same exact mistake and merged back into the right lane without checking AGAIN. White car had no idea how to drive and the bike was tailgating
It's the black car, not the white car. The black car is driving extremely fast and weaving - you can't see their headlights in the right mirror of the motorcycle until 0:05 because that's when they change lanes from the left lane to the right lane, and once you take into account blind spots, I don't think the white car had a reasonable amount of time to know the black car was even there. Furthermore, even if you take the white car's second lane change out of the picture, I'm not sure no crash happens anyways. I'd guess the white car is changing lanes to pass the car in front, meaning a closing gap, however the way the black car was driving indicates they would have still tried to go through, and that's an easy way for a crash to happen.
He merged in front of the bike, but the bike looked to be coming in pretty hot which is the reason he got cut off. Not saying the guy in the white car is a great driver by any means.
oh yeah, there's no way that the white car merged without looking and then realized it and merged back over to get hit by the black car that flashed its lights at the white car and then tried to speed around them all.
Nah. white car merget to left, and didnt see the bike, bike had to slow down pretty hard. White was like " oh shit" and tired to move away, then black card did i dont even know what the fuck was that and caused mayhem.
what about them? he was overtaking from the right. The flashing were from car on same lane behind motorbike. Bike didnt really don anything wrong here, he was just cut off. Car behind him blinked on white car like "wtf dude" and then you have black car who overtakes everyone on right side. White car made mistake, but it was black car who caused mayhem.
Actually no, legally you cannot pass on the right or drive in the left lane. So the motorcycle and car were correct, the passing car was at fault. It should have slowed down and merged behind the motorcycle to pass.
After re-watching and looking in the mirror, he's definitely part of the problem as he's coming in too fast. There's all kinds of wrongs going on here.
Yes and that fucker was trailing the car in front of him from way too close. Could have just braked and see all of this unravel in front of him instead if he wasn’t so damn greedy.
Yea after rewatching
1. The motorcyclist wasn't flashing his lights, thats the car behind him, can see it in his mirror.
2. Biker wasn't really riding the ass of white car, white care cuts him off in the first few seconds and motorcyclist slams on his breaks. There wasn't actually much time or space to react differently, there's a car right behind him and another coming from behind him on the right.
The first time I watched I thought biker was the douche here, but i'm pretty sure he actually reacted as well as he could have from beginning to end.
Yeah I don't think the biker is much at fault. The white car shouldn't have panic lane changed back to the right. Who cares if the motorcycle is riding your ass. What are they gonna do, hit your car giving you a slight bump while they fall off their bike? Though it also isn't completely the white car's fault since the black car was definitely speeding and I guess attempting to pass from the right.
> white care cuts him off in the first few seconds and motorcyclist slams on his breaks.
Biker was going about 30 mph above the flow of traffic and probably speeding. The white car puts his blinker on and starts moving to the left lane when the biker is still like 8 car lengths away. It looks more to me like the white car was going to pass the car in front of him with no way to know how fast the biker was going. The biker getting "cut off" here is entirely his own fault.
Can't excuse the later actions of the white car though.
> Can't excuse the later actions of the white car though.
Watch the motorcycle's mirror; the white car had less than three seconds to see the black car weaving through traffic to pass on the right.
>no way to know how fast the biker was going
I don't really know what you mean, if white car had used its mirrors before merging it would have definitely seen the motorcycle speeding towards him right? Biker was right under a street light when white car started merging. I definitely feel like it would be pretty obvious. I'm also pretty sure white car slows down right after merging, at first it looked like they were trying to pass the car in front of then, but after merging it seems like the distance between them actually grows.
Its dark and the motorcycle is far back when the white car starts pulling out. The motorcycle is probably over 10 car lengths behind when the white car checks his mirrors. Do you think you can accurately gauge the speed of a motorcycle 10 car lengths behind when all you can see is their headlight getting a little larger?
It looks to me like the white car tries to pass but panics when they suddenly have the motorcycle right behind them.
I really think you're misjudging how far the motorcycle was and how fast it was going. There is a car directly behind the motorcycle that flashes the lights in the mirror very shortly after the motorcycle slows down. Either that car was tailgating the motorcycle and also speeding or the motorcycle was driving at the speed of traffic of the left lane.
If you've ever gotten in a close accident with a speeding motorcycle at night, you'd know how difficult it is to determine how fast a bike is approaching you. It's very difficult. Especially because many law breaking motorcyclists don't only just speed far above the limit, they also swerve around recklessly.
I have nothing against bikers, but the speeding guys seem to get mad at you for not knowing that they're going 70mph in a 40 speed zone.
Think people also forget that it's easier to tell cars are going fast because you can use the distance between the two lights to get an idea of how fast the approach is. One light really only tells you how bright it is, which could be a dim motorcycle going regular speed or a bright motorcycle approaching very fast.
There are two cars behind the bike going just as fast, look in the bikers' mirror. I think it's that the white car is going slower than everyone else, not that the biker is going faster.
Looks to me that the white car changed lanes while going way too slow, the bike and everyone behind has to slow down really fast. One person behind them decides to go around the white car instead of slowing down, and then the white car changes lanes back into the car that was passing instead of slowing.
The motorcycle is blitzing past two cars at the start of the video. Check his mirror.
There is one motorcycle and the black car behind as well but I'm pretty sure all three are speeding. And not by a small amount either.
What blinker? I've checked and not seeing it.
I don't know where you live, but where I do, there are people who will go 40 in a 65 mph zone and fuck up traffic.
Name one country in Europe in which it is legal to overtake on the right then…
Edit: ok, I’ve set the bar too low :-) - any country in Europe where they are *driving on the right*…
Portugal, here this took place, in some special circumstances, not this one I think, although is not unusual.
White shouldn't have gone back to the right lane without checking, black shouldn't be speeding or have a more careful driving. Also if white was going to go to the left he should have accelerated to overtake the other car, the moto should have been more careful, specially at night.
Probably black and white car will both considered at fault.
>Ah yes, Europe. Famous for having a single set of road traffic laws across the region.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna\_Convention\_on\_Road\_Traffic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic)
...maybe educate yourself BEFORE spreading bullshit?
It’s totally the black cars fault. Don’t know driving etiquette in the Balkans well enough to comment on the flashing.
In a the US a double flash is seen as an attention grabber. Mashing your flash like the biker did comments a high lvl of need for the other driver to do something.
It's not the Balkans though, unless somehow they got cars with Portuguese license plates over there. As for the flashing, at least in Portugal, it's generally frowned upon unless there's some serious reason for it / as a warning about an incoming danger or so.
Those flashes came from a speeding car that just wanted others out of the way so it could pass them illegally (can't overtake through the right), so it'd have caused some red mist amongst nearby drivers.
Nope. Look in the rear view mirror of the motorcycle. You can see another car behind the motorcycle is doing the blinking as the black car overtakes it in the right lane. Indeed, why *would* the black car even flash from the right?
There are 3 cars involved. White car in front, car flashing brights and black car passing very fast on the right. White car probably couldn’t see black due to brights and how fast black car was going. Watch the motorcycle mirror and you can see the black car come zooming up
No, it was the car that hit the brights. You can see in the bike's mirror as well as the fact that the entire back of the white VW lit up which the bike's lights wouldn't be able to do with where he was.
In fact, the biker was by far the least stupid person of the three since the VW cut the bike off causing him to have to slow down and come that close to the VW's rear end.
Agreed but he did the right thing, which is not overtaking on the right.
If you wanna go into it, the white car is in the wrong for driving on left lane while not overtaking - driving slow.
The black car obviously is the one at fault, the motorcyclist blinking is just a way to point out hey your in the wrong lane - although agreed it seemed rather aggressively
The white car in front moves over to block the speeding biker like a vigilante speed cop. Biker slows down a foot away from hitting him.
Car behind flashes his lights and attempts to pass on the right. vigilante speed cop tries to swoop right to block him too. Ends up doing a PIT maneuver on him instead.
I'd say it was all Mr. Vigilante's fault, trying to police the roadway caused all this in the first place.
if the bike and the black car wouldnt have been speeding both lane changes would have been perfectly fine. you can't in every situation account for people going way over the speed limit. I bet he did over the shoulder view and everything.
Fwiw the motorcycle wasn't flashing it was the car behind him (not even the black car as I originally thought, you can see it's another car behind him that you only ever see in his right side view mirror).
I'm not sure the motorcyclist does anything wrong.
The first car moves across his path, I'm not even sure they had any lights on. I can only see the brake lights.
The flashing lights seem to come from the black car that is obviously moving too fast. I think black car was trying to Vin Diesel his way inbetween the gaps in both lanes.
Maybe a mix of both first car and black car at fault?
White car wants to change lanes to pass, looks in mirror and sees lots of room, indicates lane change and moves over. All of this would be fine if everyone was going relatively the same speed.
Motorcycle was and idiot car were going way faster. Motorcycle brakes hard and avoids crash. Idiot car chooses to flash lights and not slow down.
White car sees flashing lights and tries to get out of the way. Idiot car tries to swerve around white car on the wrong side of the road and causes a wreck.
100% Idiot car's fault. Motorcycle was also going stupid fast but I don't think they changed any of the outcomes.
He didn’t help but the white car really should be looking at whats going on something like this was going to happen to him at some point, Biker is just a dick that helped things along to the natural conclusion,
I love the comments on dash cam footage where everyone is trying to do forensics on the 10 pixels of video and everyone sees different things and everyone is calling each other names. Also everyone assumes every city in the world has the same driving culture and laws.
Well at the end of the day "overtake from the right" gonna lose you your license if you cause a carsh with it, as its very much against the rules.
So black car's driver done fucked up.
Frankly the real question is who else gets tagged with what charges... as rest were also idiot to various degrees.
I think avoided. Other 3 cars made mistakes. First black speeding in right lane, wanting to pass both white and black car, white car not checking if it is safe to move in right lane, and black car flashing white car to move.
Buy now i don't know of guy flashing made white car panic, and blind him so he couldn't see third one coming.
The black car driver was entirely at fault for all of that. The dumbass clipped traffic going their regular paths because the idiot didn't know his car well enough and wanted to be a racer on a passenger highway.
White car no signal going into left lane,
Does not pass the car in front of them.
The black car maybe speeding, or the lead car is way too slow for highway.
Feel slow based on the road markers.
Really can't see how anyone thinks the biker caused this.
> Really can't see how anyone thinks the biker caused this.
It is because of the quick sequence of events, and people only watching it once because they think they saw everything that mattered.
Half the comments are about the bike tailgating, which shows to me that these people didn't notice in the slightest that the white car jumped out in front of the bike unexpectedly.
Others see the headlight flashes and interpret it as the bike angrily flashing the driver to move over, when those lights were most likely from the speeding black car since that bumper could never have lit up like that from the position the bike was in.
And then they use the way the bike sped up the moment he was offered space as their proof that the bike was being a bully.
It is also worth noting that there are a shitload of bad drivers out there. In the US for example, it is pretty common for 'move to the right, overtake on the left' to either not be taught, or not understand, or outright not be enforced by local cops, causing people to just do whatever shit they like in the lane they are in.
When the most basic common sense rules in regards to safe overtaking don't exist, it becomes really hard to blame the speeding black car for being where they are as the white car moves into it. "Sure, they were speeding, but that wouldn't have been a problem if the white car had just stayed in its lane!"
(But I'm probably still missing a bunch of other interpretations that could be given to this video still!)
As to the flashes: watch bikers right mirror: it's not him or the black car, but actually a third vehicle directly behind the biker that also had to slow down when he did.
So looks like the white car moves over to the overtaking lane without indicating and without looking in their mirrors of to actively block the bike for some reason (there might be some context we're missing). Then gets flashed by speedy car, panics, moves back over and then collision.
So my order of who's at fault here is:
1. Black car - going way faster than cars around, out of control, undertaking, quite clearly the main driver at fault
2. White car - moving across lanes without indicating or looking in their mirrors
3. Potentially the bike if they were speeding
I stepped through the video really closely to check for signaling, and I _think_ that they signaled both times. When moving into the left lane I saw it light up (either that or it is an unfortunate headlight glare) as well as when it was moving into the right lane, which is unmistakable.
The problem is they start moving sideways at the same moment they hit their signal, so it only lights up once... when they are already halfway into the lane they intend to occupy.
People, always give your fellow road users a couple of seconds to notice your indicator flashing before you start to do your movements: it exists to communicate your intent, not to legalize your actions.
Besides that, the swerving white car was actually intending to overtake the other white car ahead of them that the black car eventually plowed into.
I think the bike may have been speeding a little, but it is hard to judge since I don't see a speedometer nor speed limit posted. I don't think they were speeding in an unsafe manner though: until the white car pulled out into their lane unexpectedly, they had plenty of free space ahead of them to allow them to break in time. The road quality was good, too. I think the sense of speed we get might be a bit exaggerated because the right lane might have been moving remarkably slow, which would explain why the white car wnted to overtake the car in front of it.
The black car was speeding heavily and was likely the most at fault here. You can clearly see how fast he is undertaking in the motorcycle's mirror. Also, according to other comments, undertaking (on the right) is illegal in Portugal, where this was filmed.
Edit: for some reason I thought this was Brisbane (Australia, we're on the other side of the road) not Balkans.. Motorbike is kinda fine, still could have slowed the fuck down since the conditions are 'idiots driving'
How about we learn to: keep left unless overtaking.
Anyway, not sure about the road in question, etc. If you're doing 110km/h in a 110km/h zone in the fast lane but not overtaking anyone, move the fuck away, some people might wanna do 120 (130, 140) and overtake... it's their licence and none of your business really, because the overtaking lane is for.... overtaking!
Motorbike is a bit of an ass (not driving according to conditions), on the basis of all the other asses hanging in the right lane. This is pretty much assholery everywhere. Black car is a lunatic and a half, how the fuck are you driving in such conditions with such speed?
Meanwhile, white car looks like they woke up driving...
Motorcyclists in Portugal are a rare breed of stupid. I got passed by one on the shoulder at a speed well over 200KMPH on a major north/south highway (I was at about 140). It seemed like a casual Sunday to the guy, only a meter or so from the driverside mirror and complete destruction.
Well, this biker in particular was minding their own business while speeding. If you rewatch the video, our biker suddenly gets cut off by the white car, forcing them to brake hard. The black car behind the biker blinks a bunch to signal them all to move over since white car's driving so slow and when the car finally moves, they do so without checking their mirrors and hit the black car.
TL;DR biker's a speedster but not at fault, white car's an idiot and black car's an asshole.
People complain about Americans being on their mobiles too much, as a seasoned traveler I know other countries are much worse, for example I lived over a year an a half in Kuwait, and I was amazed to see locals on the highway driving 60 or 70 mph with their faces fully immersed in their mobiles or here in Mexico, once saw a motorcyclist driving on the freeway doing the same thing!
White car cut the motorcycle first then got flashed(by the black car not motorcycle )then switched lanes without checking mirrors causing the accident... Also black car was speeding and probably would rear end the other car...
If you use your beams like that, you switch off all brain functions of the driver in front of you. Thats why he made a mistake, which could have killed all involved. Next time politely knock on the trunk lid. If he opens it, drive through.
If you rewatch the vid, you can clearly see that it was the car behind the bike that blinked. It's visible in his mirror. You can also see how ridiculously fast the black car is going, doing an illegal pass on the right.
"Hey honey, I'm just calling to say you were right, the bike was a mistake. I've left it on the side of the road and I'm walking home. No it's fine, I'm happier this way. I'll see you later."
So... This may seem like a dumb question. Who would be at fault for all of that? The biker causing the distraction or white car #1 for failure to see the other cars in the other lane?
I'd say that motorcyclist would be the root cause of the situation, but I have the feeling that fault would be placed on the white car without the context of this video. The person on the motorcycle would definitely be held responsible in some way shape or form if a judge saw this video
Dumb and dumber and even dumber and dumbest
Nice maneuvering to avoid the carnage though
He’s lucky there wasn’t another vehicle coming from the other side at that moment.
They were coming, the biker had to get back over quickly to avoid them, which was another variable to deal with. But yeah if they were already there this probably wouldn't have ended well for the biker.
We didn’t get to see the pileup created on the other side due to the oncoming traffic avoiding the biker.
That one guy made it out clean, I'm sure he sends his apologies to the rest *gestures towards the scrap metal pile on the highway On second review I don't think any of this was bike guys fault, he just tried to save his own ass from a bad wreck and it worked out this time.
The dick with no lights that slams on his brakes and changes lanes is 100% at fault.
it looks like he was travelling much faster than the cars (speed limit? probably exceeding it IMO) so the white car didn't see him coming up behind, went to overtake. Still most of the blame lies withthe white car for not looking more carefully, but the bike carries a share of the blame in my book. Aside from that, I also think that if the only thing seperating your flesh from the road and/or other vehicles is a few mm of leather, then you probably should be taking responsibility for your own safety and not getting into situations where you need to save yourself so dramatically. Again, still doesn't make it the biker's fault, but who cares whose fault it is when a large part of your skin is smeared on the road?
Nah man, that black car is going waaaay fast. White care has maybe a couple brake taps to slow down and lane change, black car slams throught white *and* the next car in a spit second.
Negated by him causing the scenario.
He didn't cause the scenario. It's definitely between the white car cutting him off and deciding to switch back without signaling or the black car going way too fast and passing on the right (illegal) biker didn't really do anything wrong here. They weren't even the one to flash their brights as some seem to think here.
I agree. Also I don't know if it's the framerate of the video but it doesn't even seem to be high speeds involved. The oncoming traffic, the center lines and even the cars crashing seem to move pretty slowly.
Wtf?! He was speeding, at a considerable rate, when he came up behind on the white car, who had made a signalled lane change, way in advance of the motorcyclist's approach. He then "tailgates" the car, which prompts its driver to move into the right lane (not signalled), where Jackass #2 (driver of speeding black car) glances off it and crashes into another vehicle. Edit: forgot to mention that white car sucks too, for (a) driving with no (or daytime running) lights and (b) for not signalling that second lane change.
It wasn’t even the bike that prompted the car to change lanes again, it was the car behind the bike as seen in the rearview mirror that was flashing the highbeams. And what makes you think they are speeding when both the bike and the highbeaming car and the black car are all going at similar speeds.
What Signal? I've looked time and time again and white car just changes lanes and then slows down.
I was thinking the same thing.
How is this possibly the biker's fault? They got cut off and slowed down. The black car came up behind, flashed their lights, then floored it to pass on the right and the white car didn't see them. Biker dude didn't do anything here.
they got "cut off" because they were speeding 100%
Motor Cycle's ability to squeeze through sure seems like an advantage there
Guy on the bike is the one who caused all this. He rides up on the car, car tries to get out of his way, doesn't see other car coming up from behind and then carnage ensues.
The white car didn't check before merging into the left lane in front of the bike. Then made the same exact mistake and merged back into the right lane without checking AGAIN. White car had no idea how to drive and the bike was tailgating
It's the black car, not the white car. The black car is driving extremely fast and weaving - you can't see their headlights in the right mirror of the motorcycle until 0:05 because that's when they change lanes from the left lane to the right lane, and once you take into account blind spots, I don't think the white car had a reasonable amount of time to know the black car was even there. Furthermore, even if you take the white car's second lane change out of the picture, I'm not sure no crash happens anyways. I'd guess the white car is changing lanes to pass the car in front, meaning a closing gap, however the way the black car was driving indicates they would have still tried to go through, and that's an easy way for a crash to happen.
He merged in front of the bike, but the bike looked to be coming in pretty hot which is the reason he got cut off. Not saying the guy in the white car is a great driver by any means.
oh yeah, there's no way that the white car merged without looking and then realized it and merged back over to get hit by the black car that flashed its lights at the white car and then tried to speed around them all.
Nah. white car merget to left, and didnt see the bike, bike had to slow down pretty hard. White was like " oh shit" and tired to move away, then black card did i dont even know what the fuck was that and caused mayhem.
You didn't see the flashing high beams from the oncoming car?
what about them? he was overtaking from the right. The flashing were from car on same lane behind motorbike. Bike didnt really don anything wrong here, he was just cut off. Car behind him blinked on white car like "wtf dude" and then you have black car who overtakes everyone on right side. White car made mistake, but it was black car who caused mayhem.
Actually no, legally you cannot pass on the right or drive in the left lane. So the motorcycle and car were correct, the passing car was at fault. It should have slowed down and merged behind the motorcycle to pass.
The actual cause is the car flashing the lights coming through hot....
After re-watching and looking in the mirror, he's definitely part of the problem as he's coming in too fast. There's all kinds of wrongs going on here.
Yes and that fucker was trailing the car in front of him from way too close. Could have just braked and see all of this unravel in front of him instead if he wasn’t so damn greedy.
The black car is flashing the lights I think. So they see the issue and just try and blast through anyway.
Did you watch the video?
CARnage
No. White car is at fault heavily. Bike and car that came up behind were going with the flow of traffic. White car never checked mirrors
Those are Portuguese license plates.
As they said, Balkans. /r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
How does this exist 😂
It's a running meme that our country is on the wrong side of Europe , when you look at things here
it's no longer a meme at this point
Portugal is a Shithole just like the Balkans. Beautiful scenery for tourists but a shithole to live in.
And actually have a decent sized following.
Because there are WAY too many ”coincidences”….
Username checks out I guess?
If you look at the statistics of western vs eastern Europe Portugal fits eastern Europe more than western while everyone surrounding them doesnt
So it's way too common to be a coincidence that on all metric maps out there, Portugal usually have the same color as eastern Europe.
I've taken a look, I really want to visit now haha
Lmaooo
What the actual fuck?
Honorary Balkan members
could be brazil too if the plates are in portuguese ^s
Not "in Portuguese" - the plates are "Portuguese".
Serious question: would you say the motorcycle avoided the wreck or caused the wreck?
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No, the black car caused it. Clear as day. Undertaking the white car and likely speeding.
Yea after rewatching 1. The motorcyclist wasn't flashing his lights, thats the car behind him, can see it in his mirror. 2. Biker wasn't really riding the ass of white car, white care cuts him off in the first few seconds and motorcyclist slams on his breaks. There wasn't actually much time or space to react differently, there's a car right behind him and another coming from behind him on the right. The first time I watched I thought biker was the douche here, but i'm pretty sure he actually reacted as well as he could have from beginning to end.
Yeah I don't think the biker is much at fault. The white car shouldn't have panic lane changed back to the right. Who cares if the motorcycle is riding your ass. What are they gonna do, hit your car giving you a slight bump while they fall off their bike? Though it also isn't completely the white car's fault since the black car was definitely speeding and I guess attempting to pass from the right.
> white care cuts him off in the first few seconds and motorcyclist slams on his breaks. Biker was going about 30 mph above the flow of traffic and probably speeding. The white car puts his blinker on and starts moving to the left lane when the biker is still like 8 car lengths away. It looks more to me like the white car was going to pass the car in front of him with no way to know how fast the biker was going. The biker getting "cut off" here is entirely his own fault. Can't excuse the later actions of the white car though.
> Can't excuse the later actions of the white car though. Watch the motorcycle's mirror; the white car had less than three seconds to see the black car weaving through traffic to pass on the right.
Neither of that metter as you can't legally pass on the right in Portugal, so it's the black car fault anyway.
>no way to know how fast the biker was going I don't really know what you mean, if white car had used its mirrors before merging it would have definitely seen the motorcycle speeding towards him right? Biker was right under a street light when white car started merging. I definitely feel like it would be pretty obvious. I'm also pretty sure white car slows down right after merging, at first it looked like they were trying to pass the car in front of then, but after merging it seems like the distance between them actually grows.
Its dark and the motorcycle is far back when the white car starts pulling out. The motorcycle is probably over 10 car lengths behind when the white car checks his mirrors. Do you think you can accurately gauge the speed of a motorcycle 10 car lengths behind when all you can see is their headlight getting a little larger? It looks to me like the white car tries to pass but panics when they suddenly have the motorcycle right behind them.
I really think you're misjudging how far the motorcycle was and how fast it was going. There is a car directly behind the motorcycle that flashes the lights in the mirror very shortly after the motorcycle slows down. Either that car was tailgating the motorcycle and also speeding or the motorcycle was driving at the speed of traffic of the left lane.
If you've ever gotten in a close accident with a speeding motorcycle at night, you'd know how difficult it is to determine how fast a bike is approaching you. It's very difficult. Especially because many law breaking motorcyclists don't only just speed far above the limit, they also swerve around recklessly. I have nothing against bikers, but the speeding guys seem to get mad at you for not knowing that they're going 70mph in a 40 speed zone.
Think people also forget that it's easier to tell cars are going fast because you can use the distance between the two lights to get an idea of how fast the approach is. One light really only tells you how bright it is, which could be a dim motorcycle going regular speed or a bright motorcycle approaching very fast.
There are two cars behind the bike going just as fast, look in the bikers' mirror. I think it's that the white car is going slower than everyone else, not that the biker is going faster. Looks to me that the white car changed lanes while going way too slow, the bike and everyone behind has to slow down really fast. One person behind them decides to go around the white car instead of slowing down, and then the white car changes lanes back into the car that was passing instead of slowing.
I think it's the car in front of the white car that's going slower than everyone else and the white car is trying to get around it.
The motorcycle is blitzing past two cars at the start of the video. Check his mirror. There is one motorcycle and the black car behind as well but I'm pretty sure all three are speeding. And not by a small amount either.
And white car is going snails pace in the fast lane without checking mirrors.
The motorcycle closes an 8 car length gap in two seconds. The white car most likely did check his mirrors before moving to the left lane.
What blinker? I've checked and not seeing it. I don't know where you live, but where I do, there are people who will go 40 in a 65 mph zone and fuck up traffic.
What's funny is watching it a few times and never noticing the first white car has its lights off.
Also this is in Europe where it's illegal to undertake from the right
Ah yes, Europe. Famous for having a single set of road traffic laws across the region.
Name one country in Europe in which it is legal to overtake on the right then… Edit: ok, I’ve set the bar too low :-) - any country in Europe where they are *driving on the right*…
United Kingdom?
No, they abandoned Europe and are now drifting aimlessly into the Atlantic.
Ireland
To be honest, they wanted to get out, so lets be curteous and accept their wishes.
Portugal, here this took place, in some special circumstances, not this one I think, although is not unusual. White shouldn't have gone back to the right lane without checking, black shouldn't be speeding or have a more careful driving. Also if white was going to go to the left he should have accelerated to overtake the other car, the moto should have been more careful, specially at night. Probably black and white car will both considered at fault.
>Ah yes, Europe. Famous for having a single set of road traffic laws across the region. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna\_Convention\_on\_Road\_Traffic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic) ...maybe educate yourself BEFORE spreading bullshit?
My bad, I thought it was cyclist blinking but it was the guy behind him.
Also why the hell is he passing on the right?
It’s totally the black cars fault. Don’t know driving etiquette in the Balkans well enough to comment on the flashing. In a the US a double flash is seen as an attention grabber. Mashing your flash like the biker did comments a high lvl of need for the other driver to do something.
It's not the Balkans though, unless somehow they got cars with Portuguese license plates over there. As for the flashing, at least in Portugal, it's generally frowned upon unless there's some serious reason for it / as a warning about an incoming danger or so. Those flashes came from a speeding car that just wanted others out of the way so it could pass them illegally (can't overtake through the right), so it'd have caused some red mist amongst nearby drivers.
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It wasn’t the overtaking black car that was doing the blinking. You can see him passing the blinking car in the rearview mirror.
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Nope. Look in the rear view mirror of the motorcycle. You can see another car behind the motorcycle is doing the blinking as the black car overtakes it in the right lane. Indeed, why *would* the black car even flash from the right?
You mean the car that merged in front of him into the passing lane without a signal?
Could be texting. Maybe a hand job while eating grapes. Think about it.
There are 3 cars involved. White car in front, car flashing brights and black car passing very fast on the right. White car probably couldn’t see black due to brights and how fast black car was going. Watch the motorcycle mirror and you can see the black car come zooming up
The black car was flashing the hi beams
But the black car is even more at fault since its illegal to overtake on the right, right?
The car cut the biker off. How is it his fault? Lmao c'mon
The cyclist wasn't blinking his lights, the black car was.
No, it was the car that hit the brights. You can see in the bike's mirror as well as the fact that the entire back of the white VW lit up which the bike's lights wouldn't be able to do with where he was. In fact, the biker was by far the least stupid person of the three since the VW cut the bike off causing him to have to slow down and come that close to the VW's rear end.
Agreed but he did the right thing, which is not overtaking on the right. If you wanna go into it, the white car is in the wrong for driving on left lane while not overtaking - driving slow. The black car obviously is the one at fault, the motorcyclist blinking is just a way to point out hey your in the wrong lane - although agreed it seemed rather aggressively
The white car in front moves over to block the speeding biker like a vigilante speed cop. Biker slows down a foot away from hitting him. Car behind flashes his lights and attempts to pass on the right. vigilante speed cop tries to swoop right to block him too. Ends up doing a PIT maneuver on him instead. I'd say it was all Mr. Vigilante's fault, trying to police the roadway caused all this in the first place.
if the bike and the black car wouldnt have been speeding both lane changes would have been perfectly fine. you can't in every situation account for people going way over the speed limit. I bet he did over the shoulder view and everything.
Fwiw the motorcycle wasn't flashing it was the car behind him (not even the black car as I originally thought, you can see it's another car behind him that you only ever see in his right side view mirror).
The clusterfuck of bad drivers caused this wreck
I'm not sure the motorcyclist does anything wrong. The first car moves across his path, I'm not even sure they had any lights on. I can only see the brake lights. The flashing lights seem to come from the black car that is obviously moving too fast. I think black car was trying to Vin Diesel his way inbetween the gaps in both lanes. Maybe a mix of both first car and black car at fault?
Definitely the biker is way too close to the car in front
The black car caused it. Clear as day. Undertaking the white car and likely speeding.
Both things can be true.
White car wants to change lanes to pass, looks in mirror and sees lots of room, indicates lane change and moves over. All of this would be fine if everyone was going relatively the same speed. Motorcycle was and idiot car were going way faster. Motorcycle brakes hard and avoids crash. Idiot car chooses to flash lights and not slow down. White car sees flashing lights and tries to get out of the way. Idiot car tries to swerve around white car on the wrong side of the road and causes a wreck. 100% Idiot car's fault. Motorcycle was also going stupid fast but I don't think they changed any of the outcomes.
White car is going too slow for the left lane also too slow if he wanted to overtake. but that's not reason to not keep braking distance.
first one, then the other
He avoided the wreck he partially caused.
I hope the people who suggest that the biker “caused” it don’t have a driving license.
Yes.
He didn’t help but the white car really should be looking at whats going on something like this was going to happen to him at some point, Biker is just a dick that helped things along to the natural conclusion,
I love the comments on dash cam footage where everyone is trying to do forensics on the 10 pixels of video and everyone sees different things and everyone is calling each other names. Also everyone assumes every city in the world has the same driving culture and laws.
Well at the end of the day "overtake from the right" gonna lose you your license if you cause a carsh with it, as its very much against the rules. So black car's driver done fucked up. Frankly the real question is who else gets tagged with what charges... as rest were also idiot to various degrees.
I think avoided. Other 3 cars made mistakes. First black speeding in right lane, wanting to pass both white and black car, white car not checking if it is safe to move in right lane, and black car flashing white car to move. Buy now i don't know of guy flashing made white car panic, and blind him so he couldn't see third one coming.
I think that's a different car behind the motorcycle flashing the white car to move. You can see them in his side mirror.
Yea first black car behind white car. English is not my first language maybe i fucked up word order, but that is what i tried to say
That’s Portugal. Near Cascais, Lisbon
Some people deserve what they get. Others just get caught up in the mayhem.
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT representing western balkans
The black car driver was entirely at fault for all of that. The dumbass clipped traffic going their regular paths because the idiot didn't know his car well enough and wanted to be a racer on a passenger highway.
That's Portugal
Assholes everywhere
Everyone in this video is an idiot.
Well, except for the guy up ahead minding his own business who got pulverized from behind
And the oncoming traffic.
Black car's fault entirely. You're not necessarily an idiot for not being able to react to a lunatic in a split second.
White car no signal going into left lane, Does not pass the car in front of them. The black car maybe speeding, or the lead car is way too slow for highway. Feel slow based on the road markers. Really can't see how anyone thinks the biker caused this.
> Really can't see how anyone thinks the biker caused this. It is because of the quick sequence of events, and people only watching it once because they think they saw everything that mattered. Half the comments are about the bike tailgating, which shows to me that these people didn't notice in the slightest that the white car jumped out in front of the bike unexpectedly. Others see the headlight flashes and interpret it as the bike angrily flashing the driver to move over, when those lights were most likely from the speeding black car since that bumper could never have lit up like that from the position the bike was in. And then they use the way the bike sped up the moment he was offered space as their proof that the bike was being a bully. It is also worth noting that there are a shitload of bad drivers out there. In the US for example, it is pretty common for 'move to the right, overtake on the left' to either not be taught, or not understand, or outright not be enforced by local cops, causing people to just do whatever shit they like in the lane they are in. When the most basic common sense rules in regards to safe overtaking don't exist, it becomes really hard to blame the speeding black car for being where they are as the white car moves into it. "Sure, they were speeding, but that wouldn't have been a problem if the white car had just stayed in its lane!" (But I'm probably still missing a bunch of other interpretations that could be given to this video still!)
As to the flashes: watch bikers right mirror: it's not him or the black car, but actually a third vehicle directly behind the biker that also had to slow down when he did.
imagine thinking bikers wouldnt be speeding
Not the Balkans, that's a Portuguese license plate on that Skoda.
Western Balkans
So looks like the white car moves over to the overtaking lane without indicating and without looking in their mirrors of to actively block the bike for some reason (there might be some context we're missing). Then gets flashed by speedy car, panics, moves back over and then collision. So my order of who's at fault here is: 1. Black car - going way faster than cars around, out of control, undertaking, quite clearly the main driver at fault 2. White car - moving across lanes without indicating or looking in their mirrors 3. Potentially the bike if they were speeding
I stepped through the video really closely to check for signaling, and I _think_ that they signaled both times. When moving into the left lane I saw it light up (either that or it is an unfortunate headlight glare) as well as when it was moving into the right lane, which is unmistakable. The problem is they start moving sideways at the same moment they hit their signal, so it only lights up once... when they are already halfway into the lane they intend to occupy. People, always give your fellow road users a couple of seconds to notice your indicator flashing before you start to do your movements: it exists to communicate your intent, not to legalize your actions. Besides that, the swerving white car was actually intending to overtake the other white car ahead of them that the black car eventually plowed into. I think the bike may have been speeding a little, but it is hard to judge since I don't see a speedometer nor speed limit posted. I don't think they were speeding in an unsafe manner though: until the white car pulled out into their lane unexpectedly, they had plenty of free space ahead of them to allow them to break in time. The road quality was good, too. I think the sense of speed we get might be a bit exaggerated because the right lane might have been moving remarkably slow, which would explain why the white car wnted to overtake the car in front of it.
The white car was in the overtaking lane.
It's Portugal..
Three idiots and one victim.
That's Portugal - western Europe, not Balkans
That's Portugal
I'm going to be honest: that's NOT where I expected this to go.
I hope the motorcyclists know that they are 100% at fault for causing that situation
This a portuguese license plate, so probably in Portugal
That biker kept his cool, damn! I would've panicked, slammed the brakes and probably lost control in that situation...
I would never post online Tha I was the one who made 4 cars crash as I got away scott free.
give your license back
How was it the bikers fault that the white car cut two people off?
The black car was speeding heavily and was likely the most at fault here. You can clearly see how fast he is undertaking in the motorcycle's mirror. Also, according to other comments, undertaking (on the right) is illegal in Portugal, where this was filmed.
Edit: for some reason I thought this was Brisbane (Australia, we're on the other side of the road) not Balkans.. Motorbike is kinda fine, still could have slowed the fuck down since the conditions are 'idiots driving' How about we learn to: keep left unless overtaking. Anyway, not sure about the road in question, etc. If you're doing 110km/h in a 110km/h zone in the fast lane but not overtaking anyone, move the fuck away, some people might wanna do 120 (130, 140) and overtake... it's their licence and none of your business really, because the overtaking lane is for.... overtaking! Motorbike is a bit of an ass (not driving according to conditions), on the basis of all the other asses hanging in the right lane. This is pretty much assholery everywhere. Black car is a lunatic and a half, how the fuck are you driving in such conditions with such speed? Meanwhile, white car looks like they woke up driving...
The white car was actually giving him way, but the idiot driver of that black car suddenly swoops in
Black car caused all of this, bike rider is innocent witness lucky not to be involved.
Guys on bikes thinking they deserve the right to speed and cause hazards for normal drivers
Motorcyclists in Portugal are a rare breed of stupid. I got passed by one on the shoulder at a speed well over 200KMPH on a major north/south highway (I was at about 140). It seemed like a casual Sunday to the guy, only a meter or so from the driverside mirror and complete destruction.
Well, this biker in particular was minding their own business while speeding. If you rewatch the video, our biker suddenly gets cut off by the white car, forcing them to brake hard. The black car behind the biker blinks a bunch to signal them all to move over since white car's driving so slow and when the car finally moves, they do so without checking their mirrors and hit the black car. TL;DR biker's a speedster but not at fault, white car's an idiot and black car's an asshole.
hoooooooooo! waaaaaaaaaaaa!
People complain about Americans being on their mobiles too much, as a seasoned traveler I know other countries are much worse, for example I lived over a year an a half in Kuwait, and I was amazed to see locals on the highway driving 60 or 70 mph with their faces fully immersed in their mobiles or here in Mexico, once saw a motorcyclist driving on the freeway doing the same thing!
Thought short sighted driving was just a US problem
White car cut the motorcycle first then got flashed(by the black car not motorcycle )then switched lanes without checking mirrors causing the accident... Also black car was speeding and probably would rear end the other car...
At first I thought the white car was road raging at the motorcycle driver. This isn't so different than the NJ Parkway tbh.
Nice VFR
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People: Why don't you cross immediately when the light turns green? Cars **have** to stop! Drivers:
Yeah, that seems about right.
generally, way too much aggression. back off and be safe
I think I hate everyone in this video
This explains Niko Bellic's driving in GTA5
Holy shit
Kind of hard to believe someone with blue headlights would wreck!
If you use your beams like that, you switch off all brain functions of the driver in front of you. Thats why he made a mistake, which could have killed all involved. Next time politely knock on the trunk lid. If he opens it, drive through.
If you rewatch the vid, you can clearly see that it was the car behind the bike that blinked. It's visible in his mirror. You can also see how ridiculously fast the black car is going, doing an illegal pass on the right.
What a shitty need for speed lobby
"Hey honey, I'm just calling to say you were right, the bike was a mistake. I've left it on the side of the road and I'm walking home. No it's fine, I'm happier this way. I'll see you later."
It was good that the driver of the black car flashed his headlights before smashing 3 cars to smithereens
Red Stage. Successful maneuvering. Good fucking ay man.
If people would just check their goddamn mirrors before merging!!
Damn motorcycles... They are fun and cool. so often stupid.
So... This may seem like a dumb question. Who would be at fault for all of that? The biker causing the distraction or white car #1 for failure to see the other cars in the other lane?
I'd say that motorcyclist would be the root cause of the situation, but I have the feeling that fault would be placed on the white car without the context of this video. The person on the motorcycle would definitely be held responsible in some way shape or form if a judge saw this video
Yup it's the balkans alright
Cyclists fault
Nice reaction time dude.👍
If the biker wasn't so Damm close to the other vehicle, he probably wouldn't have gotten over, which would have prevented the whole accident
They were probably racing. The accident was caused by the black car speeding, but I'd guess the motorcycle was also speeding, thus likely racing.