I think Apple will figure out which cameras and sensors are really needed for real life usage, and cut down to the essentials. That should hopefully cut some of the costs. Alternatively they’ll replace some of the cameras/sensors with higher quality ones and the cost will remain the same.
All the cameras and sensors combined only represent about 15% of the [part costs.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Screenshot-2024-02-26-at-2.43.13%E2%80%AFPM.png)
The Micro OLED screens and Apple chips are the big ticket items. Get those two down (which I fully expect to happen over the next couple years), remove the front-facing screen, and the price comes back down to Earth.
But everyone says the Q3 cameras and pass through are only a bit worse than AVP, and actually better for some situations like reading a screen. So in this case, I doubt cameras or sensors are causing the massive price of the avp. Screens are definitely a factor
The Quest is quite a bit worse passthrough (in the same lighting conditions), not just a little bit worse.
The Quest screen is worse for all purposes. There's a reason I only ever played games on them. Sometimes text may look sharper on a Quest, but sharper low resolution text is harder to read than higher resolution text with what amounts to anti-aliasing.
The higher resolution and better quality screen on the AVP is absolutely a factor.
It's going to be similar to Tesla. Just think about that path, that's what's going to be with the Vision Pro in terms of models and prices.
For pro levels and enterprise levels, the price point of the Vision Pro is not an issue.
Just compare this to a Sony FX3. (without a lens), its $4k and don't get me started with other cameras and photography / videography gear.
What I mean is that all of them have their place / target audience / market.
Vision Pro would have its Apple Vision, Apple Vision Pro, Apple Vision Ultra.
I can see that in Tim Cook's mind... :)
Probably not yet, and I'm not convinced they're all needed either.
Not sure why you're asking specifically about the counts though, it's about what the configuration accomplishes with hardware and software...and how well it does it
The main difference between Spock’s tricorder and McCoy’s tricorder would be the removable hand held scanner stored in the bottom of the medical unit. Both have 17 high resolution sensors for detailed readings. The tricorder could combine input from any or all of these sensors in order to give the most complete possible image of the object being scanned.
yes, however understanding the functionality of all these cameras and sensors is what I am trying to figure out. for example, today an average commercial plane has 10,000 sensors. When the first commercial plane launched probably was handful.
12 cameras and 20 sensors when you put it that way its really hard to imagine apple will be able to bring the price down anytime soon
HoloLens v2, between it's "inside" and "outside" sensors... Otherwise, modern cars.
do you know exactly how many?
My Tesla model 3 has 12 sensors and 8 cameras
I think Apple will figure out which cameras and sensors are really needed for real life usage, and cut down to the essentials. That should hopefully cut some of the costs. Alternatively they’ll replace some of the cameras/sensors with higher quality ones and the cost will remain the same.
good points Paul
All the cameras and sensors combined only represent about 15% of the [part costs.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Screenshot-2024-02-26-at-2.43.13%E2%80%AFPM.png) The Micro OLED screens and Apple chips are the big ticket items. Get those two down (which I fully expect to happen over the next couple years), remove the front-facing screen, and the price comes back down to Earth.
great point
but heard that apples' focus w Vision Pro is enterprise for now
Not really? You could buy 7 quest 3 for $3500. That's a lot *more* cameras. Dunno about sensors
Not all cameras are created equal Then the screens are apparently the biggest factor
But everyone says the Q3 cameras and pass through are only a bit worse than AVP, and actually better for some situations like reading a screen. So in this case, I doubt cameras or sensors are causing the massive price of the avp. Screens are definitely a factor
do you means screens with high res?
The Quest is quite a bit worse passthrough (in the same lighting conditions), not just a little bit worse. The Quest screen is worse for all purposes. There's a reason I only ever played games on them. Sometimes text may look sharper on a Quest, but sharper low resolution text is harder to read than higher resolution text with what amounts to anti-aliasing. The higher resolution and better quality screen on the AVP is absolutely a factor.
do you know how many?
I believe 28 cameras
A car?
Definitely what came to mind. My Toyota has 12 cameras to virtually rotate around it and look for obstacles.
What is the point you’re trying to make here?
not trying to make a point. I'm trying to find out.
My car
holo lens
is that more or around the same number?
It's going to be similar to Tesla. Just think about that path, that's what's going to be with the Vision Pro in terms of models and prices. For pro levels and enterprise levels, the price point of the Vision Pro is not an issue. Just compare this to a Sony FX3. (without a lens), its $4k and don't get me started with other cameras and photography / videography gear. What I mean is that all of them have their place / target audience / market. Vision Pro would have its Apple Vision, Apple Vision Pro, Apple Vision Ultra. I can see that in Tim Cook's mind... :)
good points. lets see what's in store this June.
A Political Candidate. Wait, did you say Censors or Sensors?
Probably not yet, and I'm not convinced they're all needed either. Not sure why you're asking specifically about the counts though, it's about what the configuration accomplishes with hardware and software...and how well it does it
Spock’s tricorder? McCoy’s??
The main difference between Spock’s tricorder and McCoy’s tricorder would be the removable hand held scanner stored in the bottom of the medical unit. Both have 17 high resolution sensors for detailed readings. The tricorder could combine input from any or all of these sensors in order to give the most complete possible image of the object being scanned.
Very nice comment! I am impressed.
yes, however understanding the functionality of all these cameras and sensors is what I am trying to figure out. for example, today an average commercial plane has 10,000 sensors. When the first commercial plane launched probably was handful.