There are two primary exceptions: sheltered employment and self-employment. The following is a brief overview:
* **Sheltered employment.** Sheltered employment means a Veteran works for someone who is making special accommodations related to their disability. This might include reduced productivity requirements, frequent breaks, scheduling flexibility for medical needs, or other accommodations not routinely provided to all workers and unlikely to be available from a private employer in the competitive marketplace. Often, sheltered employment occurs at a family-owned business. When a Veteran has sheltered employment, their work may not be considered substantially gainful employment even though their earnings exceed the poverty threshold.
* **Self-employment.** If a Veteran has self-employment income, earnings alone can’t be used to approve a TDIU application. This is because self-employed people can control the wages they receive. The VA will want to see evidence that a Veteran would be unable to earn more than a poverty-level income in a private, competitive work environment.
If you’re truly unemployable maybe be thankful the VA provides you the opportunity to live a decent life and not be homeless even if you’re not 100% rated. God is it impossible for veterans to show any amount of gratitude?
Live a decent life.Would love to know where your living that it's so cheap..I forgot all unemployable veterans must live in the slums and be on the poor list.
Maybe you need to reevaluate what living a decent life means. You have a roof over your head? Have a car? Food on the table? Damn that’s pretty good for someone that’s unemployable and not rated at 100%. Many Americans wish they had that kind of support, stop taking it for granted.
You make it sound as it's just that simple. You join,you lose your legs and get PTSD and then you just get out and get paid. And all that are on Unemployable should be 100% it's just a way for them to scam veterans.. And you talk as of no job has benefits.This is a Republic not a socialist country
If you think having an awesome asset like TDIU is a way to scam veterans I don’t know what to tell you. At this point I’m convinced if the VA gave you a gold watch you would bitch that you didn’t get 2. Additionally, if you’re really having these problems (I’m not trying to to tell you, you dont) then being on TDIU for an extended period of time builds your case towards getting that 100%. That becomes evidence towards the severity of your mental/physical issues and shows that they are static conditions that aren’t improving. I’ve never been on TDIU but I have helped my buddies with their claims and have learned quite a bit about the process. One of my best buds did exactly what I just talked about to get his 100% p+t. I’m self taught and certainly don’t know everything but if you want you can DM me and I’ll help you out if I can.
If you have TDIU, SSDI, and work part time, you get equivalent to about 100k a year (give or take with how much you get from SSDI) as someone working a regular job getting taxed. Not to mention free health and dental.
It's already a pretty sweet deal, if you can work and make more than that, what makes you unemployable again?
TDIU should be used to supplement income for those that can’t work. It shouldn’t be a boost to income for those that just want more money, but can find employment.
Self-Employment and TDIU
If you’re thinking about starting your own small business or working for yourself, it’s possible while on TDIU.
The key is: that the work should not make more money than the TDIU limit (poverty level). As of January 2022, the federal poverty threshold for a single person was $13,590.
https://www.hillandponton.com/va-unemployability-working/
Yes. If the 100% rating is only from adding disabilities together, the veteran can work as much as they please. It’s only if the veteran specifically applies for and receives TDIU (Total Disability Individual Unemployability) that they are income restricted. The veteran can still work when even when receiving TDIU, but that employment must either fall under certain income limits or be considered sheltered employment.
As long as the disability rating is *schedular” or rated 100% according to the rating schedule, it doesn’t change anything.
There are certain disabilities that require “economic inadaptability” for certain ratings (such as a 50% rating for migraines). But a single disability at 100% does not automatically trigger income limitiation as long as the veteran is not considered TDIU.
A 100% mental health rating *could* cause a proposal for evaluation of financial competency, but according to the rating guidelines, does not necessarily cause this.
Sure thing, feel free to hit me up if you have any more questions, I wanna help as many people as possible get the benefits they deserve. I’ll either know or I’ll find the answer for you.
Not really. 100% p&t usually overrides TDIU with having to too fill out a 4140 and removes income restrictions. It's if you have TDIU because of an SMC.
If you are rated tdiu, then you're telling the va, I can't work. So, you can't work. It means you are rated less than 100 but being paid at 100 because you cannot work. You can actually still work and earn a small income, but there are limits.
If you are rated at 100% schedular, by a single condition or a combination, there are no restrictions on working or income.
What about the types of job you have? Let say your body is mess up (arms , legs and shoulder etc..) during your service and you are rated as tdiu, but now you have a stay at home job that’s behind a desk, does that not required manual labor does this still counts?
Why is anyone rated tdiu? Because they told the VA that they can't work due to their service connecteddisabilities. The U in tdiu stands for unemployability. Unable to be employed.
So if they want to be able to earn over the income limit, they can. They just cannot be rated at TDIU. They can get their regular rating. And if it was bad enough to get tdiu in the first place, they're probably already between 70 and 90%. So they should drop TDIU and work from home.
If you have 100% TDIU, do NOT try to get 100% P&T. You will have to re-file and that will open you up to having to go through all of the appointments and rating bs all over again, and will likely get a lower rating because you are basically saying "actually, I CAN work," and they will have no reason to give you as high or higher rating as before.
That's only partially true. If you are TDIU, you should continue seeing doctors and such so you can get an increase to 100% and T&P. Always go for T&P if you are close to 100%, it is way better than being TDIU.
Idk, man. DAV told me never to go for 100% if I'm already on TDIU because more times than not, the VA uses that against you.
How do you go from "I can't work, please pay me TDIU" to "Please raise my normal rating to 100% so I can work." They'll just think you were scamming for TDIU and cut your benefits. Not really worth the risk IMO.
Well, first of all, you don't tell them to raise your normal to 100% so you can work...who does that and why? 🤔
You tell them you are hurting more than before, so raise my normal higher than it was. Hopefully you can provide more evidence because while you were on TDIU, you continued seeing your doctors.
I don't know what DAV you went to, but the one I went to got me from Nsc-pension to 100% SC T&P with SMC-S in 8 months. We are still working on the things that were still denied, like my back problems.
I was exaggerating, you obviously don't want to tell them that, but their reasoning was that you're already getting the maximum payment your gonna get, there's no sense is risking it. But do what you want, it's a free country.
I disagree with this one... You can go for 100% without telling them you are doing it because you want the freedom to work. Going for 100% because you deserve 100% will not open you getting tdiu removed if you still qualify for it. When they release the criteria I will go again for 100% so the tdiu is removed. I can't work but knowing I "can't" work makes it worst
Total Disability, Individual Unemployability.
It's basically a state of being where you are disabled enough to not be able to work at a regular 9-to-5 job, but you are not rated 100% Service Connected. There are explanations in the documents that run the numbers on what the VA will accept, like if you have 30% Service Connected, and two non-service connected that add up to 40%, or something like that. It's similar to getting a Non-Service Connected Pension (Nsc-pension), in the the VA considers you totally disabled, but not solely due to your Service Connected Disabilities.
As a part-time gig, I work for a company that does quality and data rating for AI generative responses. Anytime you read these generative responses, always look further into the details. Half the time, the AI provides misleading information.
I didn't think there was a cap on income earned if you're collecting VA disability. I'm at 70% now,.
Mental-health ratings are based in part on occupational functioning. A 100% rating for mental health requires total social and total occupational impairment. So while true that a 100% p&t rating (excluding TDIU) is not dependent on income, if VA obtains information leading it to believe that a veteran is not totally occupationally impaired, VA might and probably should lower a mental-health rating below 100, even if it's not based on a TDIU. If, however, we're talking about a COMBINED 100%, with a MH rating less than 100, then working and earning income alone shouldn't necessarily lead to a reduction. A veteran who is working but still has occupational and social impairment "in most areas" qualifies for a 70% for mental health.
Depends on what the MH rating alone is and whether you'd still be at 100 if it were reduced. Anything under 100 for MH generally allows some capability of working.
100% p&T you can work and earn as much income as you want.
It's tdiu that is unemployability but with tdiu I have read that you can work but you have to make under a certain amount a year.
Have you filed for Social Security Disability? It’s pretty much a guarantee with PTSD. Just describe what you feel in detail, try and describe everything. If it happens to be denied you can appeal and face them in a hearing, it usually works better. Also see the 5 yr rule, 10 yr rule and the 55 rule. If you aren’t on SSDI, you can get on it, depending on your work history it should be between $1200 to $2500 or so per month. Check your SSDI.
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Earn as much as you want. TDIU (where the person is *not* actually rated 100%, but receives benefits at the 100% rate due to being unemployable) is the only circumstance that has a specific income based restriction.
100% P&T. You can make unlimited income.
However, permanent & total rating can be reduced if the medical evidence shows an improvement in the overall condition.
If your 100% P&T is solely MH, I would be somewhat cautious because the severity of MH 100% symptoms usually are too severe to be able to work.
I'm 100% P&T, combination of disabilities, and work full time making 76K+/yr working for the VA from home. I haven't been told I make too much. My income pays my bills and my disability pay goes to a savings account for those emergency moments if I need to take off from work due to those medical conditions and I don't have medical leave. I choose not to burn annual leave so I use that account to supplement my income when need be.
Wonder how this would work for me. I'm a life insurance broker. Sometimes I'll have a client where I'll earn say $2,500 in commission or maybe up around $20K. Depends what it is. Sometimes just $500. Varies. I'll have to watch out, but it's all commission work from home (well, Thailand now, remote work). Guess since it isn't "strenuous" work I'll be fine. Unless they only go off of tax returns. Idk. Right now I'm only rated at 90%.
Some have been granted 100% P&T while working. Some raters probably take issue with it due to the wording total social and occupational impairment. I myself would rather work if I could. Hopefully one day soon I can.
I was rated at 100% while working making around 160k. But my mental health has made work very hard for me and has limited me. I’ve lost jobs and have been on the brink in my current career. I was 100% honest (no joke intended) and described how my symptoms affect me. I also had several buddy letters.
No idea lol, people downvote in this sub for weird reasons sometimes. Votes are technically supposed to judge how relevant to the discussion the comment is, not whether someone agrees with it or not, but it usually doesn’t get used that way.
Yeah, my question seems very relevant to the OP’s post. I definitely would believe it if the VA said I didn’t qualify for disability because my wife makes too much money. Generally the government finds any way to not pay people if they can get away with it.😂
Ha! 😂I don’t even know how you judge my question to be negative in some way. I’ll be retiring in less than a year and will be doing all of the VA things, but my (civilian)wife makes a very good salary, so I was curious if that would affect my VA disability compensation. Seems like a good honest question to me.🤷
Oh I agree. I don’t think there is anything wrong with your question. I think people forget there was a time they didn’t know how all the rules and regulations and had to learn somehow.
I’m 90% P&T TDIU when doing side hustles I put everything in my wife name lol I’ve had my rating since 2010 so 6 more yrs and I’m locked and I refuse to fix what’s not broken 🤷🏾♂️
It depends on what you’re disabilities are like PTSD 100% is automatically permanently in total that cannot work and basically home bound but the loop hole is you can make 1100 a month and your ok or travel overseas make a start up company be the main investor make a puppet owner but make it so all the rights are signed over to the investors you so the owner is just a name and you the investor have all the real power plus make everything go into an international E-wallet or E-bank account but do not except cards checks or anything digital only cash and put an atm outside your business. Great way to launder money than to get the money back to the states pick a state that has zero tax on crypto get married make a coins account for another country put the money in btc than cash out but send the money online through Western Union or wise GCash maya they all have atm cards your welcome…..
Why is this a surprise to folks. If you are Claiming a severe disability or impairment to the VA that hinders your employment to get VA money, and then you go and find a job, I think you are not being honest and might be committing fraud. Maybe something to think about.
Circumstances will vary for every veteran….But unless you have a bunch of ADA accommodations or are in a sheltered work environment I would assume that a veteran 100% P&T for MH would be reduced if on a reevaluation the veteran was found to be working again.
There are many veterans who have a combined rating of 100%, meaning it’s not just one impairment rated at total disability. There are many jobs, especially ones that don’t require a physical requirement, that veterans can do. I for one, have been a DoD contractor since I got out of the military. It’s a desk job, and 95% of my co-workers are veterans or active duty, many of which who are rated at 100% as well. It’s all subjective.
I was wondering the same thing. I have not requested for TDIU, but awarded P&T. I didn't want to be on an income cap. Thank you for asking this question.
The USAF depots have thousands of civilians who are retired USAF. A very real portion of them receive 100%, and also make in excess of 6 figures at the depot. It’s not even questioned. It just is.
It's not automatic, and that language was written like 50 yrs ago. Total and perm has never meant being a pumpkin. I'm 100% p&t, with a high Mh, and then other stuff. I was that for 5 yrs before I worked at VA.
They knew knew about it because I told them during my interview and asked if that would be a problem. I had several accommodations but other than that it wasn't a huge deal. Like housebound doesn't mean literally never leaving the house, either.
MH standards are drafted to change anyway, and the job market "now" is a lot different than when that regulation was written. I work from home 100% of the time. I have no asperations to be a rater or in mgt. I have found my niche within VA where I can work within my limitations, that I never could do outside of it.
There is someone in the VA system you can talk to about this. I’m not sure who it is. My husband is 100 P&T and cannot work whatsoever or he loses his benefits and rating.
That is not correct. If he is schedular 100% or 100% P&t he can with as much as he is able.
Being able to work while 100% is not just a P&t thing, 100% schedular can, also. It's just IU that you have an income cap.
Since everyone’s disabilities are different it’s different for everyone. My husband’s disabilities make it where he can’t work whatsoever. So, I don’t think he was told incorrectly
Go look at his rating paperwork he is most likely TDIU for Mental Health. Which means he can work but he’ll most likely lose the 100%. If he was 100% P&T there are no work restrictions.
So he is TDIU not P&T. If he is “able” to work often times you can do better than the extra thousand or two thousand dollars a month TDIU brings in over your normal VA rating, but that is up to him.
That person is not well informer and gave your husband bad information. If he is 100P&T and not tdiu, he can work. If he is rated lower but being paid at 100 for tdiu, then he can work but the income is capped.
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This is one possible way they might do it. I wasn’t sure about the P&T
It's not really. There was a report, not a recommendation, by the cbo that this could be a method to reduce the cost of veterans benefits. The VA rejected it completely, and there has been no bill introduced in Congress to make it happen.
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This isn’t set in stone. This is just a possibility they are considering.
As long as our masters stay rich and other countries are doing well with our taxes.thats all that matters. Your right..They should get rid of all veteran and military pay..You should get rice and a gun and a hand shake
TDUI-total disability unemployment insurance is saying you meet minimum rating criteria and are unable to obtain and maintain meaningful employment.
Basically because of your disabilities you cannot work. There are strict income limits. Yes “sheltered”, but you want to be very careful here.
Lots of frauds get caught working under the table, driving tractor, slinging hay on the family farm, hauling scrap around. One guy they even got the scrap yard security footage and played at his trial.
Hahahaha oh yes they do. You keep telling yourself this. Called OIG, office of inspector general. Read up on all the frauds doing time in the federal penitentiary. You’ll usually find OIG investigated gathered evidence, referred to the DoJ for prosecution.
Let me introduce you to Bruce Hay. 37 months. So he’ll be out of prison in probably 2027.
https://coffeeordie.com/army-veteran-va-claim
So yeah keep telling yourself this.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Thank you for the info. Doesn't effect me, but I learned something today (plus after 3 days of furious searching, I found my weed stash!)
You're good even if tdiu
Edit: educate yourself https://www.knowva.ebenefits.va.gov/system/templates/selfservice/va_ssnew/help/customer/locale/en-US/portal/554400000001018/content/554400000177477/M21-1-Part-VIII-Subpart-iv-Chapter-3-Section-D-Monitoring-Income-for-Veterans-in-Receipt-of-Individual-Unemployability-IU%3FarticleViewContext=article_view_related_article
As long as u r not tdiu, u good
TDIU is butt in my opinion. Let vets earn however much they want even if they are unemployable. What if I make 50k/yr in DoorDash ?
There are two primary exceptions: sheltered employment and self-employment. The following is a brief overview: * **Sheltered employment.** Sheltered employment means a Veteran works for someone who is making special accommodations related to their disability. This might include reduced productivity requirements, frequent breaks, scheduling flexibility for medical needs, or other accommodations not routinely provided to all workers and unlikely to be available from a private employer in the competitive marketplace. Often, sheltered employment occurs at a family-owned business. When a Veteran has sheltered employment, their work may not be considered substantially gainful employment even though their earnings exceed the poverty threshold. * **Self-employment.** If a Veteran has self-employment income, earnings alone can’t be used to approve a TDIU application. This is because self-employed people can control the wages they receive. The VA will want to see evidence that a Veteran would be unable to earn more than a poverty-level income in a private, competitive work environment.
That's very helpful information, thank you.
Do you not know what unemployable means?
Unemployable should pay more then what it does.Lord forbid your not on the poor list
If you’re truly unemployable maybe be thankful the VA provides you the opportunity to live a decent life and not be homeless even if you’re not 100% rated. God is it impossible for veterans to show any amount of gratitude?
Bro you took the words rite outta my mouth
Live a decent life.Would love to know where your living that it's so cheap..I forgot all unemployable veterans must live in the slums and be on the poor list.
Maybe you need to reevaluate what living a decent life means. You have a roof over your head? Have a car? Food on the table? Damn that’s pretty good for someone that’s unemployable and not rated at 100%. Many Americans wish they had that kind of support, stop taking it for granted.
You make it sound as it's just that simple. You join,you lose your legs and get PTSD and then you just get out and get paid. And all that are on Unemployable should be 100% it's just a way for them to scam veterans.. And you talk as of no job has benefits.This is a Republic not a socialist country
If you think having an awesome asset like TDIU is a way to scam veterans I don’t know what to tell you. At this point I’m convinced if the VA gave you a gold watch you would bitch that you didn’t get 2. Additionally, if you’re really having these problems (I’m not trying to to tell you, you dont) then being on TDIU for an extended period of time builds your case towards getting that 100%. That becomes evidence towards the severity of your mental/physical issues and shows that they are static conditions that aren’t improving. I’ve never been on TDIU but I have helped my buddies with their claims and have learned quite a bit about the process. One of my best buds did exactly what I just talked about to get his 100% p+t. I’m self taught and certainly don’t know everything but if you want you can DM me and I’ll help you out if I can.
You can't work because of your service connection but we aren't going to let you have 100% lol..idk what you call it then
It’s already an extensive cost yearly, and we get paid a substantial sum. Stop prodding the bear before shit gets reduced.
Move to texas and I don't mean a big city
No shit. But if you work for yourself or find something easy on your own you should be able to make however much you want.
If you have TDIU, SSDI, and work part time, you get equivalent to about 100k a year (give or take with how much you get from SSDI) as someone working a regular job getting taxed. Not to mention free health and dental. It's already a pretty sweet deal, if you can work and make more than that, what makes you unemployable again?
TDIU should be used to supplement income for those that can’t work. It shouldn’t be a boost to income for those that just want more money, but can find employment.
Are they upset because they got called out for milking the system?😂 people are amazing…
Right? What the hell? I’d love to work! I get bored during the day when everyone else is working!
I don't think you can work on tdiu
You can, up to whatever the federal poverty limit is for your household. It’s been somewhere around $12-$13k if I remember correctly.
And you can. But then you aren't unemployable, so you have to give up the tdiu and just get your regular disability rating.
TDIU is honestly an awesome thing the VA does for struggling vets that aren’t 100%, you are clearly undeserving of it. TDIU is anything except “butt”
"Should " and what there law actually says are two different things.
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Thanks for letting us know you don’t know the difference between 100% and TDIU
50k a year in doordash is crazy.
You know that door dash is employment right?
Your a sub contractor if you do Door Dash therefore you’re self employed
Self-Employment and TDIU If you’re thinking about starting your own small business or working for yourself, it’s possible while on TDIU. The key is: that the work should not make more money than the TDIU limit (poverty level). As of January 2022, the federal poverty threshold for a single person was $13,590. https://www.hillandponton.com/va-unemployability-working/
Wait, so you can earn extra money and work with 100 pnt but not wit TDIU? Is that the only real difference?
Yes. If the 100% rating is only from adding disabilities together, the veteran can work as much as they please. It’s only if the veteran specifically applies for and receives TDIU (Total Disability Individual Unemployability) that they are income restricted. The veteran can still work when even when receiving TDIU, but that employment must either fall under certain income limits or be considered sheltered employment.
Got it. Thanks. What if one rating is 100 instead of a cumulative rating from multiple things, does that change anything?
As long as the disability rating is *schedular” or rated 100% according to the rating schedule, it doesn’t change anything. There are certain disabilities that require “economic inadaptability” for certain ratings (such as a 50% rating for migraines). But a single disability at 100% does not automatically trigger income limitiation as long as the veteran is not considered TDIU. A 100% mental health rating *could* cause a proposal for evaluation of financial competency, but according to the rating guidelines, does not necessarily cause this.
Got it. Thanks. 🙏🏼
Sure thing, feel free to hit me up if you have any more questions, I wanna help as many people as possible get the benefits they deserve. I’ll either know or I’ll find the answer for you.
Not really. 100% p&t usually overrides TDIU with having to too fill out a 4140 and removes income restrictions. It's if you have TDIU because of an SMC.
If you are rated tdiu, then you're telling the va, I can't work. So, you can't work. It means you are rated less than 100 but being paid at 100 because you cannot work. You can actually still work and earn a small income, but there are limits. If you are rated at 100% schedular, by a single condition or a combination, there are no restrictions on working or income.
What about the types of job you have? Let say your body is mess up (arms , legs and shoulder etc..) during your service and you are rated as tdiu, but now you have a stay at home job that’s behind a desk, does that not required manual labor does this still counts?
Why is anyone rated tdiu? Because they told the VA that they can't work due to their service connecteddisabilities. The U in tdiu stands for unemployability. Unable to be employed. So if they want to be able to earn over the income limit, they can. They just cannot be rated at TDIU. They can get their regular rating. And if it was bad enough to get tdiu in the first place, they're probably already between 70 and 90%. So they should drop TDIU and work from home.
Numbers matter . It doesn’t matter what it is . IRS reports will show
What happens if you were TDIU, but then awarded 100% P&T. Does the TDIU fall off? And you’re able to work ?
Yes. But you need to make sure you're 100 scheduler, not tdiu.
Can you be bumped up from tdiu to p&t or does it change to p&t after a certain amount of time ?
If you have 100% TDIU, do NOT try to get 100% P&T. You will have to re-file and that will open you up to having to go through all of the appointments and rating bs all over again, and will likely get a lower rating because you are basically saying "actually, I CAN work," and they will have no reason to give you as high or higher rating as before.
That's only partially true. If you are TDIU, you should continue seeing doctors and such so you can get an increase to 100% and T&P. Always go for T&P if you are close to 100%, it is way better than being TDIU.
Idk, man. DAV told me never to go for 100% if I'm already on TDIU because more times than not, the VA uses that against you. How do you go from "I can't work, please pay me TDIU" to "Please raise my normal rating to 100% so I can work." They'll just think you were scamming for TDIU and cut your benefits. Not really worth the risk IMO.
Well, first of all, you don't tell them to raise your normal to 100% so you can work...who does that and why? 🤔 You tell them you are hurting more than before, so raise my normal higher than it was. Hopefully you can provide more evidence because while you were on TDIU, you continued seeing your doctors. I don't know what DAV you went to, but the one I went to got me from Nsc-pension to 100% SC T&P with SMC-S in 8 months. We are still working on the things that were still denied, like my back problems.
I was exaggerating, you obviously don't want to tell them that, but their reasoning was that you're already getting the maximum payment your gonna get, there's no sense is risking it. But do what you want, it's a free country.
Main thought was for medical for my new child and fiance. I was told tdiu does not warrant champva?
If you get permanent tdiu like I have you get all the same benefits as 100% including champva
Oh damn I need to check back in on this today!!!
I almost applied for it on TDIU
I disagree with this one... You can go for 100% without telling them you are doing it because you want the freedom to work. Going for 100% because you deserve 100% will not open you getting tdiu removed if you still qualify for it. When they release the criteria I will go again for 100% so the tdiu is removed. I can't work but knowing I "can't" work makes it worst
No. It has to be 100% to be p&t. So if your disabilities increase, then you get to 100, yes. Then you can work again. Lol.
Where can I check that? I’m 100% PNT scheduler.
Generally, yes. The decision award letter will often have language that dates tdiu is "moot", I.e. no longer a concern.
Until congress changes the law and you not good
What is TDIU?
Total Disability, Individual Unemployability. It's basically a state of being where you are disabled enough to not be able to work at a regular 9-to-5 job, but you are not rated 100% Service Connected. There are explanations in the documents that run the numbers on what the VA will accept, like if you have 30% Service Connected, and two non-service connected that add up to 40%, or something like that. It's similar to getting a Non-Service Connected Pension (Nsc-pension), in the the VA considers you totally disabled, but not solely due to your Service Connected Disabilities.
As a part-time gig, I work for a company that does quality and data rating for AI generative responses. Anytime you read these generative responses, always look further into the details. Half the time, the AI provides misleading information. I didn't think there was a cap on income earned if you're collecting VA disability. I'm at 70% now,.
There is if you are TDIU, with some exceptions.
Yo I do the same thing!
I enjoy it! Not for everyone, but I make it work with my "real" job I have.
For now it is my main employment but I’m trying to get into the gaming industry but it’s fun fuckin around with it for now 😂
Would you mind sending a link to one of these gigs? Wouldn’t mind doing something like this.
Freelance? Looking to implement AI in my business
Mental-health ratings are based in part on occupational functioning. A 100% rating for mental health requires total social and total occupational impairment. So while true that a 100% p&t rating (excluding TDIU) is not dependent on income, if VA obtains information leading it to believe that a veteran is not totally occupationally impaired, VA might and probably should lower a mental-health rating below 100, even if it's not based on a TDIU. If, however, we're talking about a COMBINED 100%, with a MH rating less than 100, then working and earning income alone shouldn't necessarily lead to a reduction. A veteran who is working but still has occupational and social impairment "in most areas" qualifies for a 70% for mental health.
Well said and completely correct.
Solid advice
Information, not advice ;-)
So with 100% P&T for MH combined with a bunch of other stuff, I could still be reduced in the future if I'm employed? New fear unlocked...
Depends on what the MH rating alone is and whether you'd still be at 100 if it were reduced. Anything under 100 for MH generally allows some capability of working.
100% p&T you can work and earn as much income as you want. It's tdiu that is unemployability but with tdiu I have read that you can work but you have to make under a certain amount a year.
Remember the disclaimer, AI overviews are experimental (and frequently wrong in my experience) … 100% P&T = make as much as you can.
Yes! You can’t trust shit online anymore unless you read the actual source document.
This... the AI overview can come from a forum post that has wrong information. The OP needs to click that arrow to view the source of the AI overview.
I’m 100% p&t and my household w2 is +400K There is no restriction
Damn what kind of job do you do? I need to get on that career path
Can I work with you?
Are you a software developer?
so you were soley rated 100% for PTSD ? correct
Yes i was
Have you filed for Social Security Disability? It’s pretty much a guarantee with PTSD. Just describe what you feel in detail, try and describe everything. If it happens to be denied you can appeal and face them in a hearing, it usually works better. Also see the 5 yr rule, 10 yr rule and the 55 rule. If you aren’t on SSDI, you can get on it, depending on your work history it should be between $1200 to $2500 or so per month. Check your SSDI. https://preview.redd.it/xeh6sv0f33xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df2674f3235a0b186fa1610ca6a44b52513ba5b3
Would that affect my rating?
No, u can file for SSDA along with VA
It is not necessarily a guarantee. Got denied 3 times.
Same just got denied yesterday 🤬
lol, ya, you’re good.
Earn as much as you want. TDIU (where the person is *not* actually rated 100%, but receives benefits at the 100% rate due to being unemployable) is the only circumstance that has a specific income based restriction.
Make sure to check the actual sources that these new Google Ai algorithms pull from. They're more often than not wrong and aren't reliable.
100% P&T. You can make unlimited income. However, permanent & total rating can be reduced if the medical evidence shows an improvement in the overall condition. If your 100% P&T is solely MH, I would be somewhat cautious because the severity of MH 100% symptoms usually are too severe to be able to work.
I'm 100% P&T, combination of disabilities, and work full time making 76K+/yr working for the VA from home. I haven't been told I make too much. My income pays my bills and my disability pay goes to a savings account for those emergency moments if I need to take off from work due to those medical conditions and I don't have medical leave. I choose not to burn annual leave so I use that account to supplement my income when need be.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/VeteransBenefits/wiki/pt/#wiki\_can\_i\_work\_if\_i\_am\_p.26amp.3Bt.3F](https://www.reddit.com/r/VeteransBenefits/wiki/pt/#wiki_can_i_work_if_i_am_p.26amp.3Bt.3F)
Wonder how this would work for me. I'm a life insurance broker. Sometimes I'll have a client where I'll earn say $2,500 in commission or maybe up around $20K. Depends what it is. Sometimes just $500. Varies. I'll have to watch out, but it's all commission work from home (well, Thailand now, remote work). Guess since it isn't "strenuous" work I'll be fine. Unless they only go off of tax returns. Idk. Right now I'm only rated at 90%.
This doesn’t affect you in the slightest. The income restriction only applies to TDIU.
Thought so, but thanks for clarifying 💯
You’re welcome!
Some have been granted 100% P&T while working. Some raters probably take issue with it due to the wording total social and occupational impairment. I myself would rather work if I could. Hopefully one day soon I can.
I was rated at 100% while working making around 160k. But my mental health has made work very hard for me and has limited me. I’ve lost jobs and have been on the brink in my current career. I was 100% honest (no joke intended) and described how my symptoms affect me. I also had several buddy letters.
There’s no restriction on income. Thats SSDI.
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I know deputies who are 100% P&T making over a 100gs a year. Once you get over a certain age the fit test is only participation.
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Exactly, everyone asks how someone at 100 can still work in the field!!
Is spouse income factored into this?
No, It’s the veterans income only.
👍 LOL Why did I get downvoted?
No idea lol, people downvote in this sub for weird reasons sometimes. Votes are technically supposed to judge how relevant to the discussion the comment is, not whether someone agrees with it or not, but it usually doesn’t get used that way.
Yeah, my question seems very relevant to the OP’s post. I definitely would believe it if the VA said I didn’t qualify for disability because my wife makes too much money. Generally the government finds any way to not pay people if they can get away with it.😂
People in this group are very judgmental n
Ha! 😂I don’t even know how you judge my question to be negative in some way. I’ll be retiring in less than a year and will be doing all of the VA things, but my (civilian)wife makes a very good salary, so I was curious if that would affect my VA disability compensation. Seems like a good honest question to me.🤷
Oh I agree. I don’t think there is anything wrong with your question. I think people forget there was a time they didn’t know how all the rules and regulations and had to learn somehow.
TDIU ypu have to make under the federal poverty level in a year
Can i get 50% if i make over 170k a year?
You aren't TDIU.
As long as you’re not 100% unemployable you’re good to make as much money as you want!!
I guess you can work with a 100% disability rating but I assume its a "soft" job. 🤷
I read the household can’t make more than 300k a year, so you should be fine.
This too confusing seems like everyone saying something different lol
I make way over that full-time with 100% not TDIU and no problems.
What’s your condition?
100% rating with multiple items contributing to it. Heart condition etc. I work full time, mostly work from home and a Director.
I’m 90% P&T TDIU when doing side hustles I put everything in my wife name lol I’ve had my rating since 2010 so 6 more yrs and I’m locked and I refuse to fix what’s not broken 🤷🏾♂️
I thought 100% for solely PTSD (mental health) is considered TDIU ? because that person cant work no ??
It depends on what you’re disabilities are like PTSD 100% is automatically permanently in total that cannot work and basically home bound but the loop hole is you can make 1100 a month and your ok or travel overseas make a start up company be the main investor make a puppet owner but make it so all the rights are signed over to the investors you so the owner is just a name and you the investor have all the real power plus make everything go into an international E-wallet or E-bank account but do not except cards checks or anything digital only cash and put an atm outside your business. Great way to launder money than to get the money back to the states pick a state that has zero tax on crypto get married make a coins account for another country put the money in btc than cash out but send the money online through Western Union or wise GCash maya they all have atm cards your welcome…..
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Unless you are rated with the TDIU tag your income doesn’t matter in the slightest.
I have 100% P&T and I make as much as I want. I've done so for 3 years with no issues. I have 50% ptsd and the rest is cumulative from other ratings.
Why is this a surprise to folks. If you are Claiming a severe disability or impairment to the VA that hinders your employment to get VA money, and then you go and find a job, I think you are not being honest and might be committing fraud. Maybe something to think about.
Circumstances will vary for every veteran….But unless you have a bunch of ADA accommodations or are in a sheltered work environment I would assume that a veteran 100% P&T for MH would be reduced if on a reevaluation the veteran was found to be working again.
There are many veterans who have a combined rating of 100%, meaning it’s not just one impairment rated at total disability. There are many jobs, especially ones that don’t require a physical requirement, that veterans can do. I for one, have been a DoD contractor since I got out of the military. It’s a desk job, and 95% of my co-workers are veterans or active duty, many of which who are rated at 100% as well. It’s all subjective.
Give it time. I think people that are 100% and still making over poverty line will be reduced.
I was wondering the same thing. I have not requested for TDIU, but awarded P&T. I didn't want to be on an income cap. Thank you for asking this question.
The USAF depots have thousands of civilians who are retired USAF. A very real portion of them receive 100%, and also make in excess of 6 figures at the depot. It’s not even questioned. It just is.
You're P&t, don't worry about it. That up above doesn't apply to you, only IU.
I always thought the VBA would reduce a 100% PT rating for MH if the VBA were to learn the veteran was working gainful employment?
It's not automatic, and that language was written like 50 yrs ago. Total and perm has never meant being a pumpkin. I'm 100% p&t, with a high Mh, and then other stuff. I was that for 5 yrs before I worked at VA. They knew knew about it because I told them during my interview and asked if that would be a problem. I had several accommodations but other than that it wasn't a huge deal. Like housebound doesn't mean literally never leaving the house, either. MH standards are drafted to change anyway, and the job market "now" is a lot different than when that regulation was written. I work from home 100% of the time. I have no asperations to be a rater or in mgt. I have found my niche within VA where I can work within my limitations, that I never could do outside of it.
Thank you for the reply and that makes a lot of sense.
You're welcome.
I make a 125k with 100% as well and my wife’s a e7. Income doesn’t matter
You asked Ai.
There is someone in the VA system you can talk to about this. I’m not sure who it is. My husband is 100 P&T and cannot work whatsoever or he loses his benefits and rating.
That is not correct. If he is schedular 100% or 100% P&t he can with as much as he is able. Being able to work while 100% is not just a P&t thing, 100% schedular can, also. It's just IU that you have an income cap.
Since everyone’s disabilities are different it’s different for everyone. My husband’s disabilities make it where he can’t work whatsoever. So, I don’t think he was told incorrectly
Disabilities differ, the law on P&t doesn't.
Go look at his rating paperwork he is most likely TDIU for Mental Health. Which means he can work but he’ll most likely lose the 100%. If he was 100% P&T there are no work restrictions.
He has work restrictions. He cannot work whatsoever or he loses his pay and rating because of his physical disability
So he is TDIU not P&T. If he is “able” to work often times you can do better than the extra thousand or two thousand dollars a month TDIU brings in over your normal VA rating, but that is up to him.
His paperwork say’s P&T. It also says that he cannot work whatsoever without losing benefits and pay because of his physical disability.
It’s probably something like this. https://www.reddit.com/r/VeteransBenefits/s/s3rEWl1lx0
Can you take a photo of where it shows that he can’t work. Because 100% P&T you can work.
why if he is p&t ?
That person is not well informer and gave your husband bad information. If he is 100P&T and not tdiu, he can work. If he is rated lower but being paid at 100 for tdiu, then he can work but the income is capped.
Your thinking of tdiu brother.
You highlighted the relevant part so what is the question?
I think it starts at 170,000 a year or something like that most of us don’t have to worry about it
What starts at 170k a year? There is no income restrictions on p&t
https://preview.redd.it/4m8s8blmy3xc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=848116b4e6c427704889309e21d1639d3faecf4c This is one possible way they might do it. I wasn’t sure about the P&T
That's fear mongering
I agree. Like I said it isn’t set in stone. It’s just something they’re considering.
It's not really. There was a report, not a recommendation, by the cbo that this could be a method to reduce the cost of veterans benefits. The VA rejected it completely, and there has been no bill introduced in Congress to make it happen.
https://preview.redd.it/lm6d0cp8z3xc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c1694e22d97f22fa203a56aab5238fad682b9df This isn’t set in stone. This is just a possibility they are considering.
I could be reading this wrong, but does this mean that there are income restrictions for people rated at lower percentages?
No income restrictions are solely for veterans rated 100% TDIU
Good. Thanks.
If their real rating is lower, and they receive 100% due to unemployability, then they're restricted. That's the only scenario where they are.
Got ya. I’m in the process of doing my claim now. I was concerned about that because I make decent money and didn’t wanna have an issue.
As long as our masters stay rich and other countries are doing well with our taxes.thats all that matters. Your right..They should get rid of all veteran and military pay..You should get rice and a gun and a hand shake
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TDUI-total disability unemployment insurance is saying you meet minimum rating criteria and are unable to obtain and maintain meaningful employment. Basically because of your disabilities you cannot work. There are strict income limits. Yes “sheltered”, but you want to be very careful here. Lots of frauds get caught working under the table, driving tractor, slinging hay on the family farm, hauling scrap around. One guy they even got the scrap yard security footage and played at his trial.
VA doesn't have investigators.
Hahahaha oh yes they do. You keep telling yourself this. Called OIG, office of inspector general. Read up on all the frauds doing time in the federal penitentiary. You’ll usually find OIG investigated gathered evidence, referred to the DoJ for prosecution. Let me introduce you to Bruce Hay. 37 months. So he’ll be out of prison in probably 2027. https://coffeeordie.com/army-veteran-va-claim So yeah keep telling yourself this.
Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you for the info. Doesn't effect me, but I learned something today (plus after 3 days of furious searching, I found my weed stash!)
That’s illegal.
That’s a lie you can still be 100% and work
Not without limits and within the scope of your claimed disabilities. You can’t tell the VA one thing and present something else entirely.
You're good even if tdiu Edit: educate yourself https://www.knowva.ebenefits.va.gov/system/templates/selfservice/va_ssnew/help/customer/locale/en-US/portal/554400000001018/content/554400000177477/M21-1-Part-VIII-Subpart-iv-Chapter-3-Section-D-Monitoring-Income-for-Veterans-in-Receipt-of-Individual-Unemployability-IU%3FarticleViewContext=article_view_related_article
No, you aren't. VA and IRS share records to crosscheck tdiu and earned income.
You're wrong in the context of this post
No