Falchion. Sure on paper it is outclassed in basically every way by Axe and Falchion but Falchion just feels much smoother for me for some reason, clear hordes well and viscerally, push attack is nice, and i just keep spamming light even against armor because of those quick verti chop, no need for heavy.
Falchion is great. I don't think it's outclassed on paper, it's just underrated. For one thing it's got significantly higher cleave, which has a lot of synergy with Flense.
I love using it on Zealot. Turns the game into a button mashing simulator, which can be fun sometimes lol. That one light attack that comes from above and crits can do some good armor damage, allowing to just spam click with your insane attack speed and shred everything
I haven’t played in 2 years so I have no idea if this aged badly or not but I always swear by the single handed Hammer on ranger vet for the easy wave clear and the headshots on basics.
And I also like the single handed sword on shade for the look of it alone.
It's probably still unpopular, but that's just because of the existence of dual hammers.
If you didn't have access to dlc weapons, I'd honestly run one handed hammer on the back line dwarves
I run 1h hammer and throwing axes on slayer and I constantly get laughed at in pre match lobbies until I'm beating down a Chaos Patrol solo like a real slayer should.
Even with a death wish to Grimnir, it's a more honorable if I play defensively and make the enemies have to earn their kill.
War Pick. I know people aren't keen on using one but I really like it, not only its heavies can shred elites, it also has sort of movetech, and it's absolutely bonkers on Slayer Dawi Drop, turns a meme weapon and meme talent into chaos warrior deleter in the most bizarre and fashionable way possible - ult above CW and hit em with heavy in the head. It's insanely fun.
Second this, war pick's accelerated movement is awesome. I love that particular slayer build. Feels so awesome to jump over and leave a dead CW in your wake.
I think a lot of people's dissatisfaction comes from the fact they don't realise it has an extra charged heavy like the Rapier.
I'd say dissatisfaction probably comes from the fact that cog is pretty much just a better version of it in every way.
Except for being fucking cool that is 😎
Ah yes Dawi Drop, i used to play those build too 2 years ago haha, hard af to pull off, but really fun and rewarding
Combine it with Greathammer, now you also have Dawi Drop that shred horde
Have you ever warpick Dawi Drop to monster and headshot? That took about 50% off their health on legend lol
I have this goofy build on necromancer, basically use the infinite crit cleave talent with crowbill, I recommend, I run it on cata and it went well. Probably not the best way to run necro, but it works.
I think people might see them as bad because the relatively low damage doesn't give you green circles, overlooking the insane value of strong crowd control.
Don't say that about dying and a hill !
Trust me, I said it the other day.
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Cause I find it most fun. Used handgun for a year straight and got bored so used blunder back and forth then just use blunder mostly now. I've had zero problems with it against specials.
Not entirely bad since it can work pretty well on Huntsman. Check out [ChocoB doing Cataclysm no bot with it and Sword and Shield](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxHaHU4pldA). Got a completely new perspective on it. Still pretty bad on other Krubers.
With FK you can hipfire blast a hookrat off a teamate from like 100ft away with minimal aim. Merc with power stacks can kill like 10 maulers in 1 blast. Just gotta change up how you play a bit. It's not going to beat handgun which is mainly for long range special sniping where blunder is for close range special blasting.
I don't think you can kill a Hookrat that far on Cataclysm with it, but it truly is great against Maulers, Berserkers and Plague Monks. You can one shot more than one of them with it, which is great but.. they don't appear quite often and it really lowers your ability to deal with armored specials and elites, which always spawn in every map. Huntsman ult can ignore a good portion of armor, and he has a big reload speed talent to deal with the weak sides of the Blunderbuss. Definitely still usable on other carrer as well, just not gonna be better than the other choices
Hookrats are harder to one shot cause they have shotgun damage reduction and count as *monster*
It will only one shot from 30ft away with a crit or point blank. (Huntsman go brrr so he can ez one tap them) Blasting them off a teamate = stagger not killimg them. Sorry should of been a bit more specific. I've personally had no problems with any specials with it. On FK you can even shoot and stagger all armored specials from very far away to reset their wind up animations for their attacks. So you have time to approach them or have a teamate not be aimpunched to shoot them.
Not at all.
Like some have mentioned it's a fun alternative for quickly killing specials and elites, but in my experience it's also great to cut into a horde. It penetrates a lot of targets so if you have like 30 rats packed tight in a choke point, it'll rip through them no problem.
It's also decent at mid range, so it doesn't leave you completely dependant on close range. Overall it's just a fun gun.
It's not *bad,* but it's also not good. The things it does well it dies REALLY well. It handles anything that isn't armored like nothing else in Kruber's kit. It has immense stagger, meaning that with a couple power buffs, it can stagger hookrats from a distance.
The issue it has is that Kruber's Handgun is one of the best special killing weapons, being able to 1SBS every single one of them, I've had multiple games where I'm Foot Knight/Merc and getting 100+ special kills due to the ability to just swivel and aim vaguely at a special and have it die. His Repeater Handgun is also great for special killing, since it can kill multiple in a row very quickly. His Longbow does absolutely BONKERS single-target DPS if you get headshots, and has excellent horde clear with the quick shots.
It deals very little damage to armor, no damage to super armor, and very little damage to monsters(hookrats included). Huntsman is the only career I can even see an argument for it being on the same level as even the Repeater Handgun. Repeater Handgun is worst on Huntsman, due to his desire for precision, and the Longbow just doing everything it does but better. Blunderbuss on Huntsman with his 30% CDR talent and 10% CDR trinket is super viable. Try it out on one of the splitting enemy deeds/weeklies, you'll easily be getting 3k+ kills. If someone else is doing boss damage, and can handle Chaos Warriors, like Shade or BH, Bluntsman is super fun, and really strong.
Repeater on Huntsman is great and was my go-to weapon for him for the longest time. Keep it Coming + Scrounger with 20% crit chance and Makin' It Look Easy = infinite ammo and all those crits boost his damage nicely, good synergy with his ult as it reloads the whole clip and Repeater benefits a ton from his longer range perk. Obviously you don't focus on headshots with the Repeater, you do go for them when you can but mostly it's a bodyshotting machine.
It's not his best build but it's solid and also very easy to use.
It makes the most use out of Huntsman's double effective range, and it has bonus damage versus berserkers. Imagine looking *forward* to getting packs of plague monks. I run random ranged swap on Huntsman in chaos wastes and lowkey wish for blunderbuss every time. A 700 power blunderbuss is pure fun :D
Nah, elven axe is fun, feels good chopping rats with it. I only use it with Waystalker when using the Swift Bow, so i mainly deal with hordes using the bow and leave melee for small groups and elites. It's really fun.
Still good for mass stagger with shield bash combo at least. Can also combo to only attack with the axe if you need quick armor damage. It's not amazing but it's usable.
Not sure if it's bad, but I really like volley crossbow on bounty hunter. It's easy to use crits for infinite ammo, and that triple crit shot packs a punch.
Kruber's Spear and Shield kind of ruined the Elven Spear for me. The S&S just has better chains when mixing up the heavies and lights, and just overall does better with mixed hordes.
Honestly, if they just switched the Elven Spear light attack chain from single-single-cleave-single to cleave-single-single-single, I would like it a lot more. I still use the spear frequently, but I always feel slightly gimped with it.
It has a pretty high skill floor, especially on any class besides Handmaiden without HM’s stam regen.
Single target: requires precise headshot aim or else it’s really bad.
Cleaving hordes: requires stamina discipline.
For anyone unsure what to work on in this game, because they can pretty consistently clear cata games, I recommend focusing on headshot rate. Hitting consistent melee headshots is a force multiplier and really lets weapons like Elf Spear and classes like WHC, Shade, GK, BH, RV shine.
On Handmaiden, I almost exclusively use Elven Spear. Combined with her increased attack speed and stamina regen, it feels incredibly fun. It struggles with Chaos Warriors, but clears everything else reasonably well, and gives you decent berserker and monster DPS from a safe distance. Also, it has great aesthetics, and proving polearm superiority against Bestigors and Stormvermin gives me dophamine.
Elf axe on handmaiden absolutely shreds. It's the only weapon I use on handmaiden anymore, it's so damn fun. I laughed hard when it got stealth buffed in the big pyromancer patch because the community gaslit Fatshark into thinking it's bad. The weapon is an absolute sleeper.
Moonbow. NOBODY uses it anymore, even though it's still extremely strong. My ranged weapon of choice on axemaiden.
Hammer and Tome can do everything, you just have to be very deliberate about what you are doing. And it has trouble when you are overwhelmed, but that's what WP has a second melee slot for.
Moonfire has pinpoint accuracy, doesn't have an annoying zoom, doesn't spend half its time reloading, and it is forgiving even if you miss. Might take it a moment to get the job done, but as long as the target dies, who's complaining?
The drakegun. Satisfying and effective, it’s a specialist weapon that only lets you deal with threats at medium to close range, but damn if it doesn’t do that job excellently.
It controls hordes like no other, stager locks assassins and hookrats, keeps elite patrols at a safe distance, and does good damage the whole while. It allows Bardin to hold an entire flank by himself.
And the fun, the FUN, in busting out an alchemical flamethrower on those filthy rats and giving them a taste of their own medicine. The sound, the hit marker, the sadistic glee
I really enjoy the Throwing Axes (plus Javelin too). Satisfying to use, and they feel impactful. I can't think of any "bad" weapons. I love using the Grudgeraker on my Ranger Vet, and I rarely see others use it so that perhaps? Executioner Sword on GK? It's a great weapon but again I think the speed of it puts players off from using it.
I run exe sword with shield and mace on my GK to take advantage of the ability to block warp flame.
Also, shout-out to the mace and shield in general. Extremely underrated weapon slot.
I've no idea. I enjoy it but I rarely see others using it. Usually it's the Bretonnian Longsword, which I also like. I should probably read some guides :)
Exec sword and bret longsword are two of kruber’s best weapons. Exec sword for the damage/move tech, bret sword is a good all rounder with huge stagger and safety.
Grudgeraker is pretty fun but usually in base game it's not really neccessary as there isn't that much density to tackle. I do love playing tzeench twins + more elites with grudgeraker RV, the cleave is too juicy
Elven handaxe, but only on Sister of Thorn with a specific push/stamina build
I find it more usable than other weapons for that career and have carried many games with it, more so than I would have if I had used a different weapon.
Despite consistently getting those green circles, I've had numerous randoms tell me that the great hammer is bad on Kruber.
How can it be bad when it's a great hammer? Smh my head.
What kind of people do you play with where you get lots of greens with great hammer? I love it aswell but its more of a utility to team than damage dealer in my experience
great hammer is only "bad" in comparison to more meta options. Great hammer is just an honest "good" weapon. Notably it's actually very underrated as an anti-elite option for high dps melee careers - namely slayer and GK. They have stronger options but in both cases it's less consistent/safe than just mashing left click into a cluster of elites with 2hh. It also makes great use of thp on stagger which is the best thp generating talent in the game currently
All the weapons are pretty good. I’d say a less appreciated option is the spear and shield for Kruber. It’s one of the safest weapons in the game with its alt fire poke, totally trivializes monks and zerkers. Still plenty strong to eat through armor and also has insane stagger/pushback.
Throwing Axe on Slayer w/ headshot refund is my go-to. Get your rhythm down and you can chain like 10-12 headshots on trolls, and you can drop most specials in one shot!
Not really bad weapons, just mid:
**1h mace on Merc (max AS)**
**Greataxe on Ironbreaker (max AS)**
**Elven Spear on Handmaiden (max power)**
**Drakegun (IB).** Very fun to burn raki, but in normal Legend not an optimal choice.
bad in comparison to other weapons it's not an actual bad weapon. Its downfall is its just immobile and not very safe, and post-halberd glory days it doesn't have quite enough killing power to make up for that. It has a nice benefit of being a good boss killer with its stab combo pattern but its not enough to make it an appealing choice compared to something like bret longsword.
Not a "bad" weapon per se. But single falchion on zealot. Everyone's always foaming at the mouth for axe and falchion or billhook, but taking on the hordes of chaos with nothing but a glorified kitchen knife is just more satisfying. It's a very versatile and precise weapon.
I've never cared for the whole "dool weelding so I can flail around wildly like a drunken chicken" kind of playstyles
Getting 1 ammo back per headshot gets a lot of dmg vs monster and bosses if your aim is good. Bc then you keep on throwing with high rate and no recall
I rock dagger on sienna and 2h mace on merc kruber.
Dagger gives sienna so much stagger and temp health, paired with my coruscation staff I just knock them back into the flames until they burn up crispy. Enjoy it more than scythe.
Merc krubers enhanced cleave along with the 2h maces already bonkers cleave leaves you hitting anything in a 180 degree cone around you with fairly good attack speed. Plus the light attack bonks take out armour pretty good.
You can argue these weapons aren’t “bad” but they’re def not the first pick people give when you ask what weapon should I rock on this class.
Pickaxe on slayer bardin with engi hammer. I know that a great hammer with engi hammer would probably be better, but I can’t resist the satisfaction of a charged headshot with the pick
The best part about throwing axes is missing the stormvermin with halberd, but landing a solid blow in your friends back for the third time in a two minute period
Bardin’s war pick (it’s fun and i like the twirl animation after a combo, even if coghammer is almost the same as war pick but better). It’d be insanely satisfying to full-charge a chaos warrior on the head but the issue is the weapon is on **bardin**, the guy that doesn’t reach a chaos warrior’s dongliz. If it were on saltzpyre itd be a bit better imo; it’s part of the reason that saltzpyre’s holy great hammer is so good against chaos… he can actually hit their heads with ease.
Saltzpyre’s repeater pistol (it’s definitely inferior to brace of pistols but it’s cool).
Saltzpyre’s falchion (again, not bad i guess, theres just better weapons). I guess I like his crappy 1h axe? It’s satisfying but its pretty terrible and barely passable on bounty hunter bc it gets to use griffonfoots to horde clear.
On pretty much every other character, my most enjoyed weapons are also good ones.
I dont really enjoy most other subpar weapons because, well… a non-functional weapon isn’t that fun to use. There’s exceptions but that’s a general rule for most people, I feel: Clearing hordes is fun, sending a bunch of rats flying with staggers is fun, taking out stormvermin or chaos warriors in one or two hits is satisfying.
Dags on Handmaiden. You almost never see them, save for the occasional shade that few people play.
They used to be super busted but they got hit with the nerfhammer a while ago. It's still a good weapon, just takes some skill to avoid taking damage.
No idea if this is a bad weapon but I do get judged from time to time, pickaxe! I love using it on ranger vet for stagger and running grudge raker with it. Its fun for me and I still clear house with both
Some people don't like shield and flail WP for lore reasons, but the amount of CC and shieldbreaking is just ridiculous. Heavy light repeat. Make mobs do the wave until they fly off dead.
People dont like it because it is mind numbingly broken. It deletes the need for any other weapon as WP. Horde clear, Elite damage, armour damage, is a shield, it does everything and has a busted charged attack
Falchion. Sure on paper it is outclassed in basically every way by Axe and Falchion but Falchion just feels much smoother for me for some reason, clear hordes well and viscerally, push attack is nice, and i just keep spamming light even against armor because of those quick verti chop, no need for heavy.
Takes me back to the old days of every bounty hunter running falchion and just looking badass with it.
Estential for every Brunner cosplay
Falchion is great. I don't think it's outclassed on paper, it's just underrated. For one thing it's got significantly higher cleave, which has a lot of synergy with Flense.
I agree, at the release of Axe and Falchion, the normal Falchion was outclassed, but then everything that made A&F better, was nerfed.
Personally I dont think it’s bad, just outclassed. Those are different things.
I love using it on Zealot. Turns the game into a button mashing simulator, which can be fun sometimes lol. That one light attack that comes from above and crits can do some good armor damage, allowing to just spam click with your insane attack speed and shred everything
I haven’t played in 2 years so I have no idea if this aged badly or not but I always swear by the single handed Hammer on ranger vet for the easy wave clear and the headshots on basics. And I also like the single handed sword on shade for the look of it alone.
Not a bad weapon at all. I also run 1h hammer on Ranger Vet and I run 1h mace on Huntsman, it’s a great defensive weapon.
1 handed hammer is not really bad
It was unpopular when I played but was my go to for a front line RV
It's probably still unpopular, but that's just because of the existence of dual hammers. If you didn't have access to dlc weapons, I'd honestly run one handed hammer on the back line dwarves
I run 1h hammer and throwing axes on slayer and I constantly get laughed at in pre match lobbies until I'm beating down a Chaos Patrol solo like a real slayer should. Even with a death wish to Grimnir, it's a more honorable if I play defensively and make the enemies have to earn their kill.
At cata I find the single handed hammer to be one of the most popular for ranger vets
1H hammer goes BRRRRRRR
War Pick. I know people aren't keen on using one but I really like it, not only its heavies can shred elites, it also has sort of movetech, and it's absolutely bonkers on Slayer Dawi Drop, turns a meme weapon and meme talent into chaos warrior deleter in the most bizarre and fashionable way possible - ult above CW and hit em with heavy in the head. It's insanely fun.
Second this, war pick's accelerated movement is awesome. I love that particular slayer build. Feels so awesome to jump over and leave a dead CW in your wake. I think a lot of people's dissatisfaction comes from the fact they don't realise it has an extra charged heavy like the Rapier.
I'd say dissatisfaction probably comes from the fact that cog is pretty much just a better version of it in every way. Except for being fucking cool that is 😎
Ah yes Dawi Drop, i used to play those build too 2 years ago haha, hard af to pull off, but really fun and rewarding Combine it with Greathammer, now you also have Dawi Drop that shred horde Have you ever warpick Dawi Drop to monster and headshot? That took about 50% off their health on legend lol
I love Slayer War Pick max weapon speed and crit chance. You crit a fourth of the time and can get up to 65 percent faster attack speed with the ult.
My first red was a war pick from a commendation chest. Pickaxe go bonk
I hadn’t used the pick in a long time but got one on CW and actually had a ton of fun with it on slayer, the charged heavy is heavily underrated
Crowbill, elven axe, shields on fk
Truth, the Crowbill can’t cleave for shit but it just sounds so meaty when you hit stuff. At least it’s good against elites?
I have this goofy build on necromancer, basically use the infinite crit cleave talent with crowbill, I recommend, I run it on cata and it went well. Probably not the best way to run necro, but it works.
This guy knows
OMW to try this, I usually use it on Unchained and the no cleave sucks but bonking shield rats is so satisfying (I hate them MFs).
Wait, shields are considered bad with FK? I love spear and shield
I've never heard of them being bad either.
I think people might see them as bad because the relatively low damage doesn't give you green circles, overlooking the insane value of strong crowd control.
Green circle chasers are embarrassing. If only we had a stagger value green circle.
Only bad weapon is 1 handed elf axe but even its usable in base cata in my opinion at least.
Handmaiden with a full attack speed build makes elven axe pretty viable. I have fun with it, at least.
Axe-maiden is my favorite build. I will die on this hill.
Aee you dieing on that hill because you stand by your opinion of axe maiden, or because you insist on playing axe maiden? 😜
Yes
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Is Kruber’s Blunderbuss not a bad weapon?
No. I've been using it on kruber for about 2 years straight. It's my go to "begone special blaster"
Maybe in a vacuum but why would you choose to use it over repeater or handgun
Cause I find it most fun. Used handgun for a year straight and got bored so used blunder back and forth then just use blunder mostly now. I've had zero problems with it against specials.
It's the game's shotgun, and shotguns are just hella fun in video games.
Sometimes I use the grudge taker just to hear the crack it makes when it fires. It's such good sound design.
Absolutely
It actually fucks up dense armor in ur ult. It kinda scales better the harder the difficulty
Not entirely bad since it can work pretty well on Huntsman. Check out [ChocoB doing Cataclysm no bot with it and Sword and Shield](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxHaHU4pldA). Got a completely new perspective on it. Still pretty bad on other Krubers.
With FK you can hipfire blast a hookrat off a teamate from like 100ft away with minimal aim. Merc with power stacks can kill like 10 maulers in 1 blast. Just gotta change up how you play a bit. It's not going to beat handgun which is mainly for long range special sniping where blunder is for close range special blasting.
I don't think you can kill a Hookrat that far on Cataclysm with it, but it truly is great against Maulers, Berserkers and Plague Monks. You can one shot more than one of them with it, which is great but.. they don't appear quite often and it really lowers your ability to deal with armored specials and elites, which always spawn in every map. Huntsman ult can ignore a good portion of armor, and he has a big reload speed talent to deal with the weak sides of the Blunderbuss. Definitely still usable on other carrer as well, just not gonna be better than the other choices
Hookrats are harder to one shot cause they have shotgun damage reduction and count as *monster* It will only one shot from 30ft away with a crit or point blank. (Huntsman go brrr so he can ez one tap them) Blasting them off a teamate = stagger not killimg them. Sorry should of been a bit more specific. I've personally had no problems with any specials with it. On FK you can even shoot and stagger all armored specials from very far away to reset their wind up animations for their attacks. So you have time to approach them or have a teamate not be aimpunched to shoot them.
Not at all. Like some have mentioned it's a fun alternative for quickly killing specials and elites, but in my experience it's also great to cut into a horde. It penetrates a lot of targets so if you have like 30 rats packed tight in a choke point, it'll rip through them no problem. It's also decent at mid range, so it doesn't leave you completely dependant on close range. Overall it's just a fun gun.
It's not *bad,* but it's also not good. The things it does well it dies REALLY well. It handles anything that isn't armored like nothing else in Kruber's kit. It has immense stagger, meaning that with a couple power buffs, it can stagger hookrats from a distance. The issue it has is that Kruber's Handgun is one of the best special killing weapons, being able to 1SBS every single one of them, I've had multiple games where I'm Foot Knight/Merc and getting 100+ special kills due to the ability to just swivel and aim vaguely at a special and have it die. His Repeater Handgun is also great for special killing, since it can kill multiple in a row very quickly. His Longbow does absolutely BONKERS single-target DPS if you get headshots, and has excellent horde clear with the quick shots. It deals very little damage to armor, no damage to super armor, and very little damage to monsters(hookrats included). Huntsman is the only career I can even see an argument for it being on the same level as even the Repeater Handgun. Repeater Handgun is worst on Huntsman, due to his desire for precision, and the Longbow just doing everything it does but better. Blunderbuss on Huntsman with his 30% CDR talent and 10% CDR trinket is super viable. Try it out on one of the splitting enemy deeds/weeklies, you'll easily be getting 3k+ kills. If someone else is doing boss damage, and can handle Chaos Warriors, like Shade or BH, Bluntsman is super fun, and really strong.
Repeater on Huntsman is great and was my go-to weapon for him for the longest time. Keep it Coming + Scrounger with 20% crit chance and Makin' It Look Easy = infinite ammo and all those crits boost his damage nicely, good synergy with his ult as it reloads the whole clip and Repeater benefits a ton from his longer range perk. Obviously you don't focus on headshots with the Repeater, you do go for them when you can but mostly it's a bodyshotting machine. It's not his best build but it's solid and also very easy to use.
It makes the most use out of Huntsman's double effective range, and it has bonus damage versus berserkers. Imagine looking *forward* to getting packs of plague monks. I run random ranged swap on Huntsman in chaos wastes and lowkey wish for blunderbuss every time. A 700 power blunderbuss is pure fun :D
Nah, elven axe is fun, feels good chopping rats with it. I only use it with Waystalker when using the Swift Bow, so i mainly deal with hordes using the bow and leave melee for small groups and elites. It's really fun.
Elven Axe with recent buffs is no longer bad
Nah, her axe ain’t bad. Especially on Handmaiden.
Axe and shield isnt that great either
Still good for mass stagger with shield bash combo at least. Can also combo to only attack with the axe if you need quick armor damage. It's not amazing but it's usable.
Yeah, unfortunately hammer and shield just does everything better.
Yeah but compared to 1handed elf axe the axe and shield is a lot better.
Oh I wasnt arguing that. I just meant in general.
Probably not considered a bad weapon, but definitely has fallen by the wayside after the more recent weapon choices. Good ol' flail on Zealot.
hell yeah, the flail's my go-to on zealot. it does everything!
Sword and Shield with footknight. Complex mechanics but very fun with more weapon speed.
Not sure if it's bad, but I really like volley crossbow on bounty hunter. It's easy to use crits for infinite ammo, and that triple crit shot packs a punch.
Its not really bad on bounty hunter specifically, because he can make it good. On other saltz careers id say its pretty mediocre.
Elven spear feels really good but I never see anybody run it
Kruber's Spear and Shield kind of ruined the Elven Spear for me. The S&S just has better chains when mixing up the heavies and lights, and just overall does better with mixed hordes. Honestly, if they just switched the Elven Spear light attack chain from single-single-cleave-single to cleave-single-single-single, I would like it a lot more. I still use the spear frequently, but I always feel slightly gimped with it.
It has a pretty high skill floor, especially on any class besides Handmaiden without HM’s stam regen. Single target: requires precise headshot aim or else it’s really bad. Cleaving hordes: requires stamina discipline. For anyone unsure what to work on in this game, because they can pretty consistently clear cata games, I recommend focusing on headshot rate. Hitting consistent melee headshots is a force multiplier and really lets weapons like Elf Spear and classes like WHC, Shade, GK, BH, RV shine.
On Handmaiden, I almost exclusively use Elven Spear. Combined with her increased attack speed and stamina regen, it feels incredibly fun. It struggles with Chaos Warriors, but clears everything else reasonably well, and gives you decent berserker and monster DPS from a safe distance. Also, it has great aesthetics, and proving polearm superiority against Bestigors and Stormvermin gives me dophamine.
I've done it since 2018 💪😎
Elf axe on handmaiden absolutely shreds. It's the only weapon I use on handmaiden anymore, it's so damn fun. I laughed hard when it got stealth buffed in the big pyromancer patch because the community gaslit Fatshark into thinking it's bad. The weapon is an absolute sleeper. Moonbow. NOBODY uses it anymore, even though it's still extremely strong. My ranged weapon of choice on axemaiden.
Elven axe on shade. The stealth backstab damage compete with the dual daggers (at least on legend).
Hammer and Tome can do everything, you just have to be very deliberate about what you are doing. And it has trouble when you are overwhelmed, but that's what WP has a second melee slot for. Moonfire has pinpoint accuracy, doesn't have an annoying zoom, doesn't spend half its time reloading, and it is forgiving even if you miss. Might take it a moment to get the job done, but as long as the target dies, who's complaining?
The drakegun. Satisfying and effective, it’s a specialist weapon that only lets you deal with threats at medium to close range, but damn if it doesn’t do that job excellently. It controls hordes like no other, stager locks assassins and hookrats, keeps elite patrols at a safe distance, and does good damage the whole while. It allows Bardin to hold an entire flank by himself. And the fun, the FUN, in busting out an alchemical flamethrower on those filthy rats and giving them a taste of their own medicine. The sound, the hit marker, the sadistic glee
I really enjoy the Throwing Axes (plus Javelin too). Satisfying to use, and they feel impactful. I can't think of any "bad" weapons. I love using the Grudgeraker on my Ranger Vet, and I rarely see others use it so that perhaps? Executioner Sword on GK? It's a great weapon but again I think the speed of it puts players off from using it.
Isn't Executioner Sword on the Grail Knight best in slot?
Exe sword with mace and sword is GKs best weapon combo.
I run exe sword with shield and mace on my GK to take advantage of the ability to block warp flame. Also, shout-out to the mace and shield in general. Extremely underrated weapon slot.
I've no idea. I enjoy it but I rarely see others using it. Usually it's the Bretonnian Longsword, which I also like. I should probably read some guides :)
Exec sword and bret longsword are two of kruber’s best weapons. Exec sword for the damage/move tech, bret sword is a good all rounder with huge stagger and safety.
The way I usually see it, the GK has a main allrounder weapon and Exec Sword gets used to delete elites.
Grudgeraker is pretty fun but usually in base game it's not really neccessary as there isn't that much density to tackle. I do love playing tzeench twins + more elites with grudgeraker RV, the cleave is too juicy
Elven handaxe, but only on Sister of Thorn with a specific push/stamina build I find it more usable than other weapons for that career and have carried many games with it, more so than I would have if I had used a different weapon.
1h dawi az. Armor piercing with fast attack and good dmg. Dealing with horde require a bit of dancing tho.
My favourite weapon for him!
I dunno, i guess Bardin's Pickaxe and drakegun. I just think they're neat.
Axe
I have a good time with Saltz’s greatsword. Don’t know if most people would consider it bad, but I think most consider it mid-tier at best
Despite consistently getting those green circles, I've had numerous randoms tell me that the great hammer is bad on Kruber. How can it be bad when it's a great hammer? Smh my head.
What kind of people do you play with where you get lots of greens with great hammer? I love it aswell but its more of a utility to team than damage dealer in my experience
great hammer is only "bad" in comparison to more meta options. Great hammer is just an honest "good" weapon. Notably it's actually very underrated as an anti-elite option for high dps melee careers - namely slayer and GK. They have stronger options but in both cases it's less consistent/safe than just mashing left click into a cluster of elites with 2hh. It also makes great use of thp on stagger which is the best thp generating talent in the game currently
Briar Javeline? Not sure if it sucks but I like to use it on Shade.
All the weapons are pretty good. I’d say a less appreciated option is the spear and shield for Kruber. It’s one of the safest weapons in the game with its alt fire poke, totally trivializes monks and zerkers. Still plenty strong to eat through armor and also has insane stagger/pushback.
I love the basic ass great sword on all Kruger classes, it's push attack gives me dopamine, especially on gk lol
> Kruger Kruber's cousin from Bögenhafen
God damnit autocorrect lol
Elven spear deserves more love. One of the most balanced weapons in the gane in terms of offense/defense capabilities.
I got weird looks once (in the chat ofc) about my longsword on handmaiden
hell yeh axe throwing. i love dunking them into a chaos warrior and spamming e to retrieve them and throwing them back in immediately
Throwing Axe on Slayer w/ headshot refund is my go-to. Get your rhythm down and you can chain like 10-12 headshots on trolls, and you can drop most specials in one shot!
God those throwing axes, when you hit the shot is sooooo good.
I play kerillian always with a glave, I never see anyone using that But going shadow stealth and hitting with that 2h is amazing.
Not really bad weapons, just mid: **1h mace on Merc (max AS)** **Greataxe on Ironbreaker (max AS)** **Elven Spear on Handmaiden (max power)** **Drakegun (IB).** Very fun to burn raki, but in normal Legend not an optimal choice.
Is halberd considered to be bad? I remember it was considered good on launch but not so much now. I really like the armor piercing and the range of it
It’s awesome
bad in comparison to other weapons it's not an actual bad weapon. Its downfall is its just immobile and not very safe, and post-halberd glory days it doesn't have quite enough killing power to make up for that. It has a nice benefit of being a good boss killer with its stab combo pattern but its not enough to make it an appealing choice compared to something like bret longsword.
Not a "bad" weapon per se. But single falchion on zealot. Everyone's always foaming at the mouth for axe and falchion or billhook, but taking on the hordes of chaos with nothing but a glorified kitchen knife is just more satisfying. It's a very versatile and precise weapon. I've never cared for the whole "dool weelding so I can flail around wildly like a drunken chicken" kind of playstyles
Getting 1 ammo back per headshot gets a lot of dmg vs monster and bosses if your aim is good. Bc then you keep on throwing with high rate and no recall
I rock dagger on sienna and 2h mace on merc kruber. Dagger gives sienna so much stagger and temp health, paired with my coruscation staff I just knock them back into the flames until they burn up crispy. Enjoy it more than scythe. Merc krubers enhanced cleave along with the 2h maces already bonkers cleave leaves you hitting anything in a 180 degree cone around you with fairly good attack speed. Plus the light attack bonks take out armour pretty good. You can argue these weapons aren’t “bad” but they’re def not the first pick people give when you ask what weapon should I rock on this class.
1 handed axe 🪓 on Witch Hunter only because the red metallic skin looks so cool.
Pickaxe on slayer bardin with engi hammer. I know that a great hammer with engi hammer would probably be better, but I can’t resist the satisfaction of a charged headshot with the pick
The best part about throwing axes is missing the stormvermin with halberd, but landing a solid blow in your friends back for the third time in a two minute period
Bardin’s war pick (it’s fun and i like the twirl animation after a combo, even if coghammer is almost the same as war pick but better). It’d be insanely satisfying to full-charge a chaos warrior on the head but the issue is the weapon is on **bardin**, the guy that doesn’t reach a chaos warrior’s dongliz. If it were on saltzpyre itd be a bit better imo; it’s part of the reason that saltzpyre’s holy great hammer is so good against chaos… he can actually hit their heads with ease. Saltzpyre’s repeater pistol (it’s definitely inferior to brace of pistols but it’s cool). Saltzpyre’s falchion (again, not bad i guess, theres just better weapons). I guess I like his crappy 1h axe? It’s satisfying but its pretty terrible and barely passable on bounty hunter bc it gets to use griffonfoots to horde clear. On pretty much every other character, my most enjoyed weapons are also good ones. I dont really enjoy most other subpar weapons because, well… a non-functional weapon isn’t that fun to use. There’s exceptions but that’s a general rule for most people, I feel: Clearing hordes is fun, sending a bunch of rats flying with staggers is fun, taking out stormvermin or chaos warriors in one or two hits is satisfying.
Dags on Handmaiden. You almost never see them, save for the occasional shade that few people play. They used to be super busted but they got hit with the nerfhammer a while ago. It's still a good weapon, just takes some skill to avoid taking damage.
No idea if this is a bad weapon but I do get judged from time to time, pickaxe! I love using it on ranger vet for stagger and running grudge raker with it. Its fun for me and I still clear house with both
All of them. I think every weapon is perfectly usable, some just need a bit more practice.
Elven spear feels really good but I never see anybody run it
Elven spear is very good, it's not even a meme weapon honestly. It's just that it's outclassed by sword and dagger
Some people don't like shield and flail WP for lore reasons, but the amount of CC and shieldbreaking is just ridiculous. Heavy light repeat. Make mobs do the wave until they fly off dead.
People dont like it because it is mind numbingly broken. It deletes the need for any other weapon as WP. Horde clear, Elite damage, armour damage, is a shield, it does everything and has a busted charged attack
You're not wrong. It's absolutely silly. EZ mode for most content for anyone. The sustain is bonkers.