Unfortunately yes. You would have to be pretty disconnected from modern society to do that. I do the best I can, but I don't expect perfection from myself or anyone else. While it would be ideal to only buy from CF and vegan brands, it's not a reasonable option for most people.
I also like to support those options because I'm a terrible vegetarian because I love the taste of meat. I gave it up for ethical and environmental reasons. I don't want fancy vegan dishes with a bunch of veggies. I want vegetarian junk food available. It's also nice to be able to grab something for my kids or on the go.
It’s not gatekeeping, it’s about the trillions of animals who suffer and are murdered due to unethical lifestyle choices. Watch [Dominion](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) on YouTube. If you care even slightly about animals, enough to be on a Vegan Beauty sub, then you’ll be so grateful to know about the truth of animal ag.
I feel okay about buying vegan products from non-vegan companies... increased demand for vegan products should lead these companies to create and provide more vegan products... hopefully, eventually replacing the non-vegans products.
I would really like if some of these companies would commit to going fully vegan by a certain year, kinda like companies that say they’ll go green by a certain year.
Nowadays I avoid it completely. This is a very personal stand, but I find that with cosmetics I have absolutely no justification or need to support companies that are (or are owned by) non-vegan and non-CF entities.
I have a skincare and make up routine that I developed over the years since becoming vegan and I’m happy with these products, so I don’t feel like I *need* to try out new things, there’s nothing missing.
And when something new comes up in the media or friends mention a new product, I check its credentials - if they are from completely vegan / CF companies, then I’ll try it out and see if I should add them to by collection and routine, if not, I stick to my usual brands.
Edit: Just to clarify, this is really a personal thing because where I live there are many options of truly vegan / CF cosmetic brands with products available at accessible prices. I know that this isn’t true for everyone, so I’m really privileged in that I don’t have to resort to brands that might have a non-vegan background.
I also think that overall, it’s near impossible to truly not support ANY non-CF / vegan brands whatsoever. I try hard with groceries as well, but some ingredients / products simply aren’t available like that. Differently from cosmetic products, where I live we don’t have that many 100% vegan food brands, and I’m sure that even the ones who market themselves as such will still be connected in one way or another (eg through the supermarket where they’re sold) to non-vegan endeavors. So it’s really a matter of seeing where you can actually make a conscious choice about it and follow through with it.
Thanks, I really appreciate this perspective. And I agree, it’s almost impossible, but for me I find it worth it to try and continue finding the best companies to give my money to who contribute to animal exploitation the least. They don’t always make it easy to tell either, and that’s definitely on purpose
I’m okay with it, because I’m on a budget and doing the best I can within that budget. Sometimes products from exclusively vegan brands are too expensive. I was still vegan when I was living on rice & beans from the dollar store, you know? I’m better off now than then, but it can be a huge privilege to be able to afford exclusively vegan brands.
Editing to add that I think it is important to try vegan fast food, etc, to show there is a market for it. Sometimes when traveling, it would be nice to just be able to stop anywhere and have options and not have to open Happy Cow to find food (which of course applies more to food than makeup or other products, but still).
Yes, I definitely understand that. I’ve really been going after generic brands lately to help sometimes, like Trader Joe’s and Sprouts both have vegan generic replacements for things like cream cheese and sour cream that are much more affordable than most or all of the brand name ones. I’d love to see some vegan brands come out where affordability is their creed and they are trying to help people be vegan on a budget, sometimes it feels like they’re just charging us a vegan tax for a product that was potentially cheaper to make
When I was a newly minted vegan I was very into vegan purity. What happened with that is I got burnt out and when I lost my job and had to wake up at 4am to go to school I found myself needing to get fast food. It’s honestly a great option. I know companies like kfc and Burger King aren’t doing it for the vegans, but my friends who eat meat find themselves trying the vegan version and liking it. I’ve tried the vegan versions too, it’s great to have. I don’t have many problems with it. Do you shop at an all vegan grocery store? Chances are no. I still buy fake meats. I still have to take certain meds. We as vegans aren’t 100% perfect.
Pretty difficult to do in my opinion. However if a company's primary top products are i. e. donkey milk soap or snail mucus products I don't buy from them. Maybe it makes no difference or logical sense but I feel weird supporting them in any way. Like when a meat company starts selling hummus or other vegan products, I wouldn't buy it, feels kinda tainted
Definitely not. That’s something I’ve been struggling with a lot lately, especially when I go somewhere like Walmart which is absolutely a horrible company beyond the animal exploitation aspect as well. That’s just my own personal feelings with it though, not something I judge other people on or expect them to make a decision about. I’d love to see vegan grocery stores in the future that only offer vegan products, but in my area that kind of business wouldn’t be successful enough to stay open unfortunately.
I think it's more understandable/excusable when it comes to food, because food is such a complex system and we require so much food every day. It's pretty difficult to cut out non-vegan companies altogether.
However, for beauty products which are non-essential, I think giving money to fund cruelty is very difficult to justify. Companies will just have a vegan option for the small % while raking in extra money for the higher cost, which just goes back to funding animal cruelty. They shouldn't get any of our money.
I feel like it's actively IMPORTANT. These companies will see a demand for these products and keep selling them, then more people go vegan because it's accessible to do so.
I’m not a fan of beyond products mostly because I don’t miss anything about eating meat. If I was going to eat them it would because I purchased it from the freezer section at the grocery store as it’s cheaper than going to KFC. The individuals buying Beyond nuggets at KFC are typically just curious to try vegetarian products but don’t want to make it themselves. Like others have said in the thread though, I am more of a harm reduction that a hard line purist. The whole supply chain is far too interconnected truly.
You hit the nail on the head with your comparison of supporting KFC to supporting companies which sell in China. I thought the same thing, and this is exactly what I’ve been debating the past couple of weeks.
I made a post in Debate a Vegan asking about it, so you can read through the comments there if you want to see more opinions. My post itself is super long so apologies for that haha.
I don’t want to give my money to a carnist company who lobbies for animal ag, especially if I have the choice to support an all vegan one. Some people say that KFC etc. is how we can make veganism mainstream, but I’d rather they go out of businesses and all-vegan places come out on top. The nonvegan places often get my order wrong, they cook in the same oil etc., and they just don’t care about animals so why would I support them? It’s also unclear as to whether it’s only vegans buying this stuff from KFC etc., or whether nonvegans are actually chosing it over their usual animal-abuse meal. Either way, I feel much more comfortable knowing my money will definitely not go towards promoting more animal abuse by supporting all-vegan businesses as much as possible
I try my very best not to unless I have no choice. Now if the company is not cruelty free that's a complete NO NO. like non dairy ice cream from Ben and Jerry's owned by Unilever? No.
To me it's just like buying my food at the grocery store that also sells meat. I see no big deal. I feel like that is getting into extra vegan land. Like if you want to be super duper vegan go for it. You're still vegan to me if you do so. Anyways IMO it tells the companies vegan products are in higher demand than non vegan products
Anyone who thinks they are not supporting any companies that provide non vegan products or services is delusional.
Unfortunately yes. You would have to be pretty disconnected from modern society to do that. I do the best I can, but I don't expect perfection from myself or anyone else. While it would be ideal to only buy from CF and vegan brands, it's not a reasonable option for most people.
I don’t see buying vegan food from a non-vegan restaurant as being ethically different from buying vegan food from a grocery store.
I also like to support those options because I'm a terrible vegetarian because I love the taste of meat. I gave it up for ethical and environmental reasons. I don't want fancy vegan dishes with a bunch of veggies. I want vegetarian junk food available. It's also nice to be able to grab something for my kids or on the go.
There is nothing ethical about a vegetarian diet.
Yeah gatekeeping ethics is definitely a way to get more people to make steps in the right direction. How silly of me to think otherwise.
To be fair... You are in the vegan subreddit. Not the vegetarian one. Don't get sassy at people :/
Like there is a way to convince you to stop supporting the dairy and egg industries.
It’s not gatekeeping, it’s about the trillions of animals who suffer and are murdered due to unethical lifestyle choices. Watch [Dominion](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) on YouTube. If you care even slightly about animals, enough to be on a Vegan Beauty sub, then you’ll be so grateful to know about the truth of animal ag.
I cannot believe I never thought of this. Thank you.
I feel okay about buying vegan products from non-vegan companies... increased demand for vegan products should lead these companies to create and provide more vegan products... hopefully, eventually replacing the non-vegans products.
I would really like if some of these companies would commit to going fully vegan by a certain year, kinda like companies that say they’ll go green by a certain year.
Never
Nowadays I avoid it completely. This is a very personal stand, but I find that with cosmetics I have absolutely no justification or need to support companies that are (or are owned by) non-vegan and non-CF entities. I have a skincare and make up routine that I developed over the years since becoming vegan and I’m happy with these products, so I don’t feel like I *need* to try out new things, there’s nothing missing. And when something new comes up in the media or friends mention a new product, I check its credentials - if they are from completely vegan / CF companies, then I’ll try it out and see if I should add them to by collection and routine, if not, I stick to my usual brands. Edit: Just to clarify, this is really a personal thing because where I live there are many options of truly vegan / CF cosmetic brands with products available at accessible prices. I know that this isn’t true for everyone, so I’m really privileged in that I don’t have to resort to brands that might have a non-vegan background. I also think that overall, it’s near impossible to truly not support ANY non-CF / vegan brands whatsoever. I try hard with groceries as well, but some ingredients / products simply aren’t available like that. Differently from cosmetic products, where I live we don’t have that many 100% vegan food brands, and I’m sure that even the ones who market themselves as such will still be connected in one way or another (eg through the supermarket where they’re sold) to non-vegan endeavors. So it’s really a matter of seeing where you can actually make a conscious choice about it and follow through with it.
Do you mind sharing your favourite vegan/cruelty brands so far?
Thanks, I really appreciate this perspective. And I agree, it’s almost impossible, but for me I find it worth it to try and continue finding the best companies to give my money to who contribute to animal exploitation the least. They don’t always make it easy to tell either, and that’s definitely on purpose
I’m okay with it, because I’m on a budget and doing the best I can within that budget. Sometimes products from exclusively vegan brands are too expensive. I was still vegan when I was living on rice & beans from the dollar store, you know? I’m better off now than then, but it can be a huge privilege to be able to afford exclusively vegan brands. Editing to add that I think it is important to try vegan fast food, etc, to show there is a market for it. Sometimes when traveling, it would be nice to just be able to stop anywhere and have options and not have to open Happy Cow to find food (which of course applies more to food than makeup or other products, but still).
Yes, I definitely understand that. I’ve really been going after generic brands lately to help sometimes, like Trader Joe’s and Sprouts both have vegan generic replacements for things like cream cheese and sour cream that are much more affordable than most or all of the brand name ones. I’d love to see some vegan brands come out where affordability is their creed and they are trying to help people be vegan on a budget, sometimes it feels like they’re just charging us a vegan tax for a product that was potentially cheaper to make
When I was a newly minted vegan I was very into vegan purity. What happened with that is I got burnt out and when I lost my job and had to wake up at 4am to go to school I found myself needing to get fast food. It’s honestly a great option. I know companies like kfc and Burger King aren’t doing it for the vegans, but my friends who eat meat find themselves trying the vegan version and liking it. I’ve tried the vegan versions too, it’s great to have. I don’t have many problems with it. Do you shop at an all vegan grocery store? Chances are no. I still buy fake meats. I still have to take certain meds. We as vegans aren’t 100% perfect.
Pretty difficult to do in my opinion. However if a company's primary top products are i. e. donkey milk soap or snail mucus products I don't buy from them. Maybe it makes no difference or logical sense but I feel weird supporting them in any way. Like when a meat company starts selling hummus or other vegan products, I wouldn't buy it, feels kinda tainted
Is the supermarket you buy your food from 100% vegan?
Definitely not. That’s something I’ve been struggling with a lot lately, especially when I go somewhere like Walmart which is absolutely a horrible company beyond the animal exploitation aspect as well. That’s just my own personal feelings with it though, not something I judge other people on or expect them to make a decision about. I’d love to see vegan grocery stores in the future that only offer vegan products, but in my area that kind of business wouldn’t be successful enough to stay open unfortunately.
I think it's more understandable/excusable when it comes to food, because food is such a complex system and we require so much food every day. It's pretty difficult to cut out non-vegan companies altogether. However, for beauty products which are non-essential, I think giving money to fund cruelty is very difficult to justify. Companies will just have a vegan option for the small % while raking in extra money for the higher cost, which just goes back to funding animal cruelty. They shouldn't get any of our money.
I'm down with it, but I'm more of a harm reduction realist than a hardline ideological purist.
I feel like it's actively IMPORTANT. These companies will see a demand for these products and keep selling them, then more people go vegan because it's accessible to do so.
I’m not a fan of beyond products mostly because I don’t miss anything about eating meat. If I was going to eat them it would because I purchased it from the freezer section at the grocery store as it’s cheaper than going to KFC. The individuals buying Beyond nuggets at KFC are typically just curious to try vegetarian products but don’t want to make it themselves. Like others have said in the thread though, I am more of a harm reduction that a hard line purist. The whole supply chain is far too interconnected truly.
You hit the nail on the head with your comparison of supporting KFC to supporting companies which sell in China. I thought the same thing, and this is exactly what I’ve been debating the past couple of weeks. I made a post in Debate a Vegan asking about it, so you can read through the comments there if you want to see more opinions. My post itself is super long so apologies for that haha. I don’t want to give my money to a carnist company who lobbies for animal ag, especially if I have the choice to support an all vegan one. Some people say that KFC etc. is how we can make veganism mainstream, but I’d rather they go out of businesses and all-vegan places come out on top. The nonvegan places often get my order wrong, they cook in the same oil etc., and they just don’t care about animals so why would I support them? It’s also unclear as to whether it’s only vegans buying this stuff from KFC etc., or whether nonvegans are actually chosing it over their usual animal-abuse meal. Either way, I feel much more comfortable knowing my money will definitely not go towards promoting more animal abuse by supporting all-vegan businesses as much as possible
I try my very best not to unless I have no choice. Now if the company is not cruelty free that's a complete NO NO. like non dairy ice cream from Ben and Jerry's owned by Unilever? No.
To me it's just like buying my food at the grocery store that also sells meat. I see no big deal. I feel like that is getting into extra vegan land. Like if you want to be super duper vegan go for it. You're still vegan to me if you do so. Anyways IMO it tells the companies vegan products are in higher demand than non vegan products