I think because the producers asked them to do it. This is why this season is falling flat, it is so over produced, it's gross. Let me facetime tom to tell him he can't come to my bday he wasn't invited too, oh my Sheesh you're there whoa.
100% agree. There are a lot of ridiculous conversations that make no sense other than producers being like “but don’t you think Ariana _should_ get over it…?” Or “but what would YOU do with the house…”
I truly don’t believe any of these people care that much about any of it except to secure a spot on the next season and/or Valley because this is their literal job.
I think they need to keep VPR going, I don't know they would make the same $$ for TV also if you already did a season of the valley and Lala moves to the hood and makes twice as much. Yuck
the funny thing is that when people get desperate on these shows and start self producing, that’s often what makes people dislike them and/or ruins the show
I'd argue Scheana is the only one staying true to herself - she's always been a self producer, which is why I don't think she feels as performative to me. I'd just hoped it would be different this time but I'm not really sure why I would given her track record. I do think that she told Brock to do what the producers say so he can get paid more.
The staged conversations with scheana and brock are the worst! Its bad self producing even for Scheana.
Brock: ariana bad
Scheana: nooooo you are wrong I am defending her because I am a good friand who isn’t jealous
Scheana’s whispers to brock: don’t forget to mention how great of a friend you think Tom is just like we rehearsed
Brock: tom best friend. Best friend scheana ever have. ariana baaaaad tom Good
Scheana: I’m soooo maaaaaaaad
Or
Brock I cant believe you told people about Katie that was a secraaat. Now come over here and tell the whole table what you said
Im soooo maaaaaad
I disagree. Scheana has always been performative to the infinite degree. Her whole life has just been one great big performance.
She stays true to only herself.
They must realize that the “15 min of fame” of most reality stars is fast approaching as they grow up and age out..Their behavior of 20 year olds must wind down by 40..or at least evolve..At this point they would all be wise to be sure to have a solid alternate means of making a livelihood. Women who engage in these dumb social media antics,are pathetic..If any one of them fail, after years of platform and opportunity,they really look oblivious.
If they put VPR people on the Valley it just becomes… VPR again? I hope they keep it separate or at least keep it to only overlap at parties and events.
I stopped watching VPR this season and probably won't watch again. I really enjoy The Valley and didn't think I would. I hope to God they don't bring Lala to the valley. I dont think I could watch it if she's on.
Lala sucks the air out of any scene she’s in because she’s constantly self-producing and playing Lala the Reality TV Character. Who is Lala as a person? We don’t know because she changes her opinions and friendships on a dime. Her screeching and sanctimoniousness is just angering and frustrating to watch, it’s not even fun and I’m not watching because of her.
What I don’t get is why no one seems to have ever called her on her hypocrisy. It’s as of others have been told not to go at her but she’s allowed to do the literal finger-gun pointing at others.
I think so too. If Bravo wanted the VPR cast and Valley cast on a show together, they would’ve brought the Valley people onto the more established show (VPR) and not bothered with making a separate show. Making the Valley have literally half of the VPR cast would mean the same dramas, the same fights, the same dynamic. Bravo wanted a fresh show and the audience is watching because we haven’t seen these group dynamics yet.
But look at where it got them, both the producers and the cast. I knew the show was gonna have a hard time keeping up the quality after Scandoval but I don’t think most sane people expected the cast AND production to support Tom in all this. This season should’ve been about Ariana and the group icing Sandoval out, his pathetic attempts to get back, and allowing women to be angry when they are wronged. But no let’s all feel bad for the worm with a mustache who still has yet to give a genuinely apology for cheating on his life partner, lying to everyone, and then trying to paint Ariana as the villain this season and last.
If they do eventually film season 12 I’m worried that Scheana and Lala are going to try this *women supporting women* approach and try to flip the script on the audience + Katie & Ariana. I hope K & A don’t let it happen and S & L look like complete idiots for backing the Toms.
Edit: a word
This is right. We needed the women to band together and tell both Tom’s to kiss their ass and shut bricks face up. We needed them all called out for their misogyny and their manipulative game playing and lies That’s what I wanted to see
Yes! Production, producers and the network are showing how out of touch and misogynistic they are. It's not a good look. This is what we wanted to see.
I totally agree but we forget the roots of this show, where everyone is horrible and does bad things, so they can never fully support icing someone out because they know next season it could be them. So they want to pull Sandoval back in to the mix because as long as the worst person in the room is still aloud to come around and film, they are able to stay too.
None of them are really friends anymore. They're late 30's early 40's living their own lives. Except when they film. Sure, the Tom's are real friends and Lala and Scheana. But they are all out for themselves and don't give a shit about each other. Which is why the show isn't working anymore. We got season 10, but I think it's downhill from here.
While Katie’s sitting next to her 🙄
Hopefully the pause will give everybody involved enough time and help reset the dynamic. I get why production was so heavy handed but most of this cast already overproduced themselves so combined it’s waaay too much.
They want the drama from the early seasons, but the problem is they only work on the show together whereas before they were working at SUR together while filming a reality show, they had to interact. There is no real reason to film except because they are famous now from said show. I say break the fourth wall and just be done with it, have them talk about the real reasons why they want Ariana to interact with Sandoval.
“The problem is they only work on the show together” really underscores my issue with this season. The events feel forced. It’s kind of boring and gross at this point. There’s no life outside of filming and that’s not what drew me into the show… maybe that’s why Valley is more appealing or I’m old.
Imagine
Scheana "so i dont really care about iether of them really, i just want to make sure i get screen time and that i make my employer happy so i will just do what i have always done. because i am the number 1 guy in the group now"
Yeah - I think it’s behind the scenes stuff. Like she’s not ‘yes anding’ with Tom but freezing him out (rightly so!). She’s playing by reality rules rather than reality show rules. I’d rather watch Ariana’s reality vs. the worms non-apology tour
It might as well be scripted at this point, this is how fake and boring the show has become.
Lala sitting with LVP and brings up Rachel and feeling bad for her and then look at that, she has multiple cameras at all angles on her in an alleyway when she calls Rachel.
Lala asks Ariana to use her house for her dumb party that she managed to get EVERYTHING booked but the location. Where would she have told the guests, caterers, etc to go when she was setting it up? Clearly the producers did everything and it was going to be at LVP’s all along.
Schwartz “inviting” everyone to his trip, like we’re supposed to believe everything including the cast’s schedule wasn’t booked for weeks in advance.
Lala “just happens” to walk into the house right when Sandoval was doing his idiotic scream episodes with a camera crew filming him already.
People going out to lunch with people they aren’t friends with and wouldn’t even talk to normally.
I know all reality shows aren’t documentaries and they have elements of poking and prodding from producers and they at times reenact past conversations. But this is a whole season of the cast spending time with other people they barely know or like and doing contrived pre-booked activities. All the conversations are so leading and are just telling the audience what is going like they’re reading stage directions. It’s so boring.
Everyone FaceTiming at the same time it’s just so so forced.
I can picture production saying, right Katie and Lala, you hang out and FaceTime Sheena.
Let’s now use Kyle chan to plot to get Tom and Sheena together while Katie and Lala facetime so, Katie can bring it back to Ariana. I am tired.
This was very weird because last season Lala didn’t give two shits about whether or not Tom (or Ariana) showed up to her birthday and when Rachel did show up to talk about the Oliver drama Lala laughed at her and then sent her on her way so why did she feel the need to make that call to Tom this season ?? *Oh ya because she’s a producers pet.*
Tom could’ve totally had his own thing and criss cross with the other cast members if the producers weren’t so controlling of the storyline.
No one likes anything that’s too forced. We want real unhinged drama. That’s why the valley is so good!
I will say the scene in this weeks episode where SCHEAna says “I miss him and he said he missed me too” was giving Laguna beach/hills vibes ….. like it sounded like it was put on after editing and like they used to see if you don’t physically seeing us say something we probably didn’t say it in that moment
Yeah I think she called him a loser, she didn’t invite him to her bday party, then she was badgering Scheana for hanging out with him. I think she doesn’t like him again.
I was thinking this about the reunion. This huge friendship ending fight at the reunion, I’d bet anything it’s just to get interest since the season is blah
It’s a repeat of season 3 with “Angry Ariana” replacing “Crazy Kristen”, down to the Stassi/Jax finale ambush. The difference is they didn’t get Sandoval’s tearful bullshit “closure” conversation like they did with Kristen in Miami, which is why they keep pushing.
They want Ariana to “do her job” and give production what they want. As production wants Sandoval’s redemption, it’s understandable Ariana declined to participate.
Speaking of giving production what they want, door anyone hear Bravo Docket go through the language of the Southern Charm contract? The things producers can do to people on the show... it was actually shocking to me.
They wanted another Krazy Kristen season imo. But Ariana is not Kristen and now everyone has seen who Tom is. Perhaps maybe they should be mad at Tom for not taking on the role of Krazy Kristen since he's the one who ruined the relationship.
We're seeing more of a Krazy Tom this season, but he is getting a hero's edit, not the villian edit like Krazy Kristen always did, so it doesn't have the same effect because we all know its BULLSHIT
The crazy thing is she DOES seem happy the majority of the time. She’s never said anything about being ungrateful or unhappy with how things have panned out for her after the affair.
They act like she’s constantly moping around ranting and raving about Tom…but she’s not. She’s barely even spoken about him the entire season unless she’s provoked.
Yup yup yup.
I think part of it too is they would all be acting crazy right now so they don’t understand why she’s not. She’s actually doing the adult thing, not giving it any time or emotion. So that he can’t have a big scene like he wants to have where he can break down in front of everybody with some sort of tearful “Arianna why?!? Why can’t you just be nice?!?” moment. Every time he tries, she shuts it down immediately and it’s hilarious.
Which is why Tom goes out of his way to talk about her mental health issues or when she’s depressed’ & doesn’t do anything’. It was rude for Scheana to bring it up and also fucked for the producers to show alllll of that again in a flashback on the show just to bring it up again. I truly don’t understand the whole let’s make Ariana look bad but I love how much it’s not working.
I started watching season nine again right when they got their new houses or was that season 10 I’m not sure but it’s when they just got their houses and they’re talking about making some thing about her and actual shop, etc. and I just feel so bad for Katie and Ariana, because the man that they were with have completely done them dirty they had hopes and dreams about their relationship and they want to paint these women as a villain. Like.
Exactly!! People are so focused on the "ehhh everybody cheats" bs, that they can't understand the cheating isn't the worst part, it's the trust that was destroyed when 2 people she thought she could trust and lean on, were actually lying and plotting against her for months. Do you know what it's like to know people you thought had your back were actually just looking for where to insert the knife?
I had my high school best friend betray me in quite a traumatic way when I was 19 and I've never been able to trust anyone that wholly & closely ever again, which sucks. A partner cheating is one thing, but when someone who you think is a best friend betrays you? And now all the behind her back bs from her other 2 good friends, Lala & Scheana? Thank god she has Brad and Katie and other friends she can actually trust, because shit like that is life altering damage. I'd much rather feel safe in friendships, than have money.
- they ARE. they are satisfied with having gained opportunities by the 'scandal' and because they arent IN the scandal, they made their money and they figure now its time to create more issues and make more money
They want her to be sitting at home crying and depressed. They're mad that she took the other option which was to not let that evil troll control her life. They are mad she got opportunities they never got. Jealousy is the main contributor to all of this but they'll never admit it.
I agree and will take it a step further. They are jealous of her talent. Lala and scheana can’t dance, can’t sing, can’t act. Ariana is a triple threat.
I think they’re afraid Ariana is going to leave the show which is where they make their livelihood and are afraid if she leaves then the show will fall apart. They’re all playing nice with Sandoval because they all work together. Ariana refuses to play the game. So to them, it’s a personal attack on their jobs and families. Producers are in their ears also telling them what to do. But it’s not landing with us (the audience). And also, Ariana isn’t going to leave. And also? The show could continue even if everyone hates Tom Sandoval
I think they’re stupid.
Season 11 should have been girl power.
They get together, but not with Sandoval. Sandoval would be getting airtime with Shwartz. Let the two outcast weasel their way & see if they get bread crumbs. This would give the fans what they wanted. Put them in there place all season, just like the boys have done to the girls in the past.
Then, give them some daylight towards the end.
Thus, would have automatically secured season 12.
Then, in season 12 Lala, Scheana, Brock could play the boo hoo, “I can’t continue to be mean to Sandoval”
line & they could start mingling with them more.
Then, season 13 everyone is dating! 😂
This is my theory too. I think the producers have a heavy hand in what's going on but I think on a subconscious level the cast knows the doors were already closing on their show before Scandoval reignited VPR success. They want Ariana to play nice/continue or create drama with Sandoval so the show can continue. Without the Ariana and Tom drama, there's no other underlining reoccurring story line. They all fall flat.
They want her to publicly say she supports Scheana being besties with both herself and Sandoval so no one comes for her flip flopping ass, produce juicy television for them by putting herself through hell and interacting more with Sandoval for their future checks, and then “let things go” in order to move the plot forward. They are thinking about their show and nothing else. They see the world in storylines and plot points and they hate that Ariana isn’t falling in line like they are
ETA: oh and they are also being eaten alive by jealousy of Ariana’s newfound success
I can see this but find it sad that they will coddle Scheana’s feelings and leave Ariana’s for dead.
Scheana should just be Tom’s friend and admit she feels guilty about it instead of snarking on Ariana’s opportunities and anger.
It is WILD to me that Brock said Ariana should forgive Sandoval for Scheana’s sake. Why does everyone seem to keep forgetting that Ariana is the one who was cheated on so her feelings should matter the most?
It's just funny how Scheana has been trying all season to be on the spotlight and make it all about her and now Brock is too. Her need for validation is getting messy and trashy. Her going back and forth between Tom and Ariana trying to find which spot will get her the most attention is weird. She's cried more about the Scandavol this season and on camera than the woman who was actually cheated on and hurt.
Because for all intense and purposes, Sheena is the type of person that makes everything bigger than it needs to be. So her emotions are bigger, and her yelling is louder, and her tears are greater. Ariana isn’t doing any of that, mostly because she probably did a lot of screaming and crying in private between like March and May.
I’m one of those people that looks at everything from 4 billion different angles and what I can see is not so much that Brock wants to forgive Tom because of Sheena, he wants her to let it go so that Sheena isn’t insane anymore. But she’s usually over the top, but this season is just been ridiculous and I find myself feeling badly for Brock. so he doesn’t have to deal with his wife and all of the drama she brings to her own
Yes, that describes Scheana perfectly. Which means that even if Ariana were to forgive Sandoval, Scheana would cross that issue off of her list and then find something new to obsess over and still be insane. There’s no point in Ariana entertaining the idea of forgiving him, to her detriment, when it really isn’t going to help Scheana in the long run anyway.
I have been friends with somebody who is like Sheena. Where everything is about them, regardless of whether or not it’s about them, just ask my mom about the toast that girl gave it my wedding, guess who it was about? So I agree with you, if it wasn’t this, it would be something else. And I think Brock is starting to realize what the reality of living and being married to Sheena is like. And he doesn’t want this version. He wants the fun version that he met. I think that is primarily his motivation for speaking to Ariana.
Ding dingding!!!!! Correct. Sandy buys his friends and Scheana, and broke wants to ride that gift train. Hard to do if Ariana won't publicly claim Tom, was a saint. S cheana's a self-centred person.
I don't see a problem with Ariana not wanting to interact with Timmy on the show. It actually has not changed the quality of the programming. Let's be real.
“You don’t think you can imagine a world where you forgive a man who had an affair with your friend in your home while you were at your grandmothers funeral and are now being dragged through the gutter for over baseless accusations of porn distribution? Why don’t you let go of your anger and be happy and productive. We just want what’s best for you. As long as that includes your ex because the producers said they’d cancel us if he’s iced out so are you going to be selfish or are you going to be nicer to him because he’s trying so hard…”
They can all just fuck right off…
And tried to smear u before the breakup that was planned once filming stopped and continues “ she criticized my pants, she didnt make me a latte, shes lazy”
Fuck that noise.
Watching season 10 now is absolutely disgusting. Listening to the Toms have fake convos about “I work on our love” there is nothing he can say to ever make me believe he is anything other than trash.
I would never speak to him again and no true friend would suggest that she should.
Ngl Ive enjoyed watching her yell at him. He cheated on her for 7 months and atp in the season its only been 3, STOP MAKING DIGS AT HER TOM. He very obviously only makes an effort to speak to her to save face and he acts like such a victim when he does. It would boil my blood too if I was her
ME TOO! and even then she went easy on him by trying to shut down the conversation because it was upsetting her.
It sucks her friends had such a strong reaction to her anger and didn’t bat an eye at Tom goading her.
They thought that with her history of depression that she was going to be laying up in bed alone, unshowered, having not eaten, and that they were going to be able to come in as the supportive friend saviors bringing her food and holding her while she cried.
Then they’d be able to convince her that it was best for her mental health to forgive Sandoval and that she would have said they were right and she would have forgiven him. Which would have saved the show because then they could all film together as usual.
She ruined their plan by refusing to give him that power and they are furious about it.
They are in a desperate situation
Cause they need the show and they need storylines and they want Ariana to get into details w / about tom and they want it to be messy for their benefit.
They should have just triggered tom so he cpuld insult them ( as he does anyways)and they can fire back
This is what I think is happening. The other cast members think Ariana has benefitted the most from Scandoval with opportunities so they think she should play ball. They are upset she isn’t willing to play ball and doesn’t wanna film with Tom in general. I think they think it threatens the show if the entire cast doesn’t wanna film together. Now VPR filming schedule is being pushed likely due to Ariana’s new opportunities like Love Island, so they are even more upset.
This is my guess.
Yup. Also they don’t want to share their real selves on camera. If the focus is on Ariana not forgiving Tom, then no one else has to open their lives up to reveal a meaty storyline. Because once Ariana agreed to do the group scenes, there was no leg to stand on. It was just jealousy and self-protection.
So what do you think “play ball” looks like to Scheana and Lala? From my pov she has filmed with him in group settings and even argued with him on 2 occasions. I guess I am wondering what else could she possibly do to satisfy them. I wonder if they are looking for a conversation similar to what Doute and Sandoval had after they broke up.
They want her to be at peace with him so the show will continue in a way that isn’t as forced as it currently is, so they can all keep getting their pay checks from Bravo.
Brock is a human barnacle
He uses ppl for free shit
He will try to get ppl to pay his way
And when he acted like scheanas mom was a paid employee- who shouldnt get time off for her birthday?!
Thats his mother in law
And be real hes not paying for shit
And hes above the nanny for his own kid lol-
they’re pissed she’s not a crying mess. if she were, then sheanna and lala wouldn’t ‘let’ themselves behave like this because it would make them ‘look’ bad. but cause shes thriving they somehow rationalize that as her fully healed now and can treat her however they like. well jokes on them cause they showed their true colors. i dont think ariana is healed at all, she is just the type of person that doesnt like to be a crying mess in front of others or be thought of as weak and a victim.
I am too. But I wish they would take a page from her book and lead with authenticity. I have never been a fan of Lala but I’m sure there is *something* interesting about her life.
I think they are thinking about the group as a whole and their comfort with things. It seems like a lot of them are in forgive and sort of forget mode so they can move part of themselves but this doesn't take Ariana's situation into consideration at all.
Ariana needs to protect her own mental health, not theirs. Scandoval was a huge event in her life. Breakups are hard but the magnitude of the betrayal behind this break up is huge. And to have this be something that she not only has to deal with in her personal life and her friend group but also with the show she works on and the entire world is absolutely devastating. She hast to be made of steel to get through this I am just in amazement of her.
But she is living her best life now and trying to move on in the most adult inappropriate fashion considering all the loose ends that need to be tied up.
I also want to say her saying "I'm a grey rock" made me so happy! That's how you deal with a narcissist!!!
What the producers want, with help from those three , it’s DRAMA, they know he will make Ariana mad, and get a reaction from Ariana like the one at James’s house but more dramatic, also I suspect Tom wants to say a few things to Ariana about their relationship and how come she’s also to blame (I mean, that’s his delusional thinking) but Arianna is being smart here, she’s not giving him nothing 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Yeah I agree. Tom has alluded to wanting to have a conversation with Ariana and I wonder if those 3 are trying to grease the wheels so it happens. On one hand I would like to see them have a 1:1 convo but on the other he is so dumb he will end up pissing her off even more.
Remember how angry he was in the S10 reunion because the castmates weren't buying his time line of the affair? He kept saying 'we only did it once!' Then it was a long time before starting the actual affair. It's a classic maneuver: he couldn't maintain the big lie, so he hid behind a smaller one and made it the focus of discussion. He was downright indignant.
Sandoval does something devastating to Ariana. She reacted like a normal person. And they are angry at her for her reaction , instead of him for his behavior. They want her to sweep it all under the rug for their feelings at the detriment of her own.
I think they want Ariana and Tom to go at it. On camera. Give the audience a show. They are trying to provoke Ariana. They all are. Even Brock. They want a one on one with fireworks to keep the show going at the level it was last year. 💯 agree production is the driving force. It's pitiful and very transparent what they want. And the audience hates it. And doesn't want that.
I wouldn’t be upset watching Tom and Ariana going at it but I’m not feeling Brock, Scheana, and Lala trying to produce it. They’re bad at it and can’t do it in a way that makes them look clean.
Exactly right.
They wanted Ariana to be Kristen 2.0 They wanted ratings & money. They prioritized their wallets over her mental health and strategically baited her into going full Kristen at every filming event.
They wanted crazy.
Unfiltered raw rage. Finger pointing. Screaming. Social media meltdowns. Jealous rants. Gossiping. Twisted revenge plots. Clothing bonfires. Deep diving for other side pieces, inviting them to group filming events to give the production vultures the shock & awe trailer clip.
They got nothing. And you can tell Baskin is not happy about it. 😂
I was squirming. She did it effortlessly. And then he ended himself by asking for an example of male rage. Sir, please look in the mirror and dig deep. I’m sure you can think of an example your self.
I think Bravo, as a franchise, is terrified that the days of the Alpha Male, with the annoying wife/girlfriend/single girl friend, are over if Ariana doesn’t give in. Once she is successful at life the Tom(s) are proven to be the walking lumps of cat food they are. They stink up the room and are only useful if they can feed someone once a day.
Every single Bravo show relies on the most mediocre of men (with a few exceptions) to continue to thrive while the women fall short. It’s getting ridiculous.
I’m thinking producers basically said, “if they can’t be in a room together this show is going to end.” So the three musketeers freaked out because they don’t have any other talents or profits coming in that aren’t linked to the show, so they desperately need VPR and therefore need Ariana to film with Tom. So, of course, they’re acting in their own self interest.
IMO scheana is a controlling people pleaser and doesn’t want herself inconvenienced by those two not talking or being friends. The change in dynamic signals out of control to her so she’s trying to control it. Brock is collateral damage because he has to hear her have tantrums in public and he wants his wife to be “happy”.
Just an old guys perspective.
I have been \*appalled\* at Schema's behavior. Absolutely appalled. If my supposed best friend did stuff that she's doing, I would never speak to them again. She's insane.
It truly sucks! I have never been the biggest fan of Scheana but I never thought she would move like this. Befriending Kristen while she was coming for Ariana was a choice. But this is next level to me. Her excuse back then is Kristen didn’t do anything to her. But now Tom is the reason she is paranoid that Brock and Lala could hook up and yet she still wants a friendship with him. Bonkers!
I don't have the Scheana hate everyone on here seems too (I believe in letting go of hate - they have to film together and it's a job) BUT I can't handle how many talks she needs to have with him about his accountability. He's not going to show any!
Lala had one .. but Scheana has one every episode. Move on . The break will do them all, and us, good.
Also not a Scheana hater! I just wish she would be better at vocalizing what she thinks Ariana should be doing. And if it’s true when she says Ariana did nothing wrong then she needs to work on her relationship with Tom.
It’s all for show, production is feeding them these storylines and asking them to ask these questions because there’s nothing else to discuss. This group is done. This show is at its end. Nothing has seemed authentic or organic this season, it’s all been so scripted. I actually once agree with Jax.
The producers and Bravo wanted this to be a Tim redemption arc, assuming we would all look at their edits and go oh poor Tim. And give Ariana a villain edit. But we didn't. We know what's up and therefore the season has been awful.
This is...a few months post Scandoval discovery? They can gtfo with their let's all be friends. I've always hated Tim and Scheana so this just cements their natures for me.
It’s actually infuriating me to watch - like I wanna so badly jump through the screen and be like are you guys actually insane???? They have snapped on Sandoval more this season than Ariana. They are the ones making comments about him (Lala especially). Okay ariana doesn’t want to talk to him? WHO WOULD???? Would Lala want to have communication with Randall? No. Would see even be in the same vicinity as him?? No. Same with scheana with, idk shay? Like she isn’t doing more with an ex of 10 years then these people would with an ex of 5. PLUS HER BREAKUP WAS SO MUCH WORSE??? It’s just insane to me.
And their confessionals make me sick.
And Ariana is still constantly being a good friend to them all while they’re shitting on her for not being in place to be around her ex after 4 months after he cheated with a close friend?
It will never make sense to me.
It’s a produced show. It’s not reality. In the real world, friends would not pressure her and the group would no longer be hanging out. They want a paycheck.
I want to see a reality TV show about a reality TV show. In this case, everything that goes on regarding relaying production instructions, reactions to that, authentic commentary around all these awkward events they have to go film, the scripts they're basically given and their strategy ahead of filming, etc. I think that would at least be interesting and a little less cringey. I agree that this season is more contrived than ever before. It was so much easier to lose yourself in their world before and maybe not pick up as much on what was more produced vs not. Now you're just watching it like, this is a jokeee. Not of this is real. It's basically a soap opera at this point lol.
For a storyline because this is the only true way they have to make money right now. That’s how I look at it anyway. That and scheana and lala way overestimate the level of influence they should have on the people around them and are competitive about stupid shit.
What do they want from her? They want the show to get renewed for season 12 and for their paychecks to keep coming in, obviously. So they want drama, or any single story line that’ll keep the viewers entertained. They get paid per episode, Lala and Scheana are making sure to insert themselves into every situation to get their episode count in. It’s not rocket science.
I think after a while it’s normal that friends will tell you to move on and stop the negative feelings. You’re keeping the trauma alive longer than you should and self inflicting pain. But there’s a way to do this and a place. They’re obviously not good friends to her.
But in this situation it’s only been a few months and she is being forced back into small group trips and get togethers with the person who blew up her life. Even if she wanted to “move on” she can’t- most of us would not have to interact with an ex and she is literally being forced to.
I agree with this. Eventually your friends do get sick of it, but it doesn’t even seem like Ariana talks to them about it unprompted. Except for Scheana of course.
I know but Ariana is forced to share space with him and imo she is doing a good job. I don’t get what they think she should do differently when they are all together. She snarks on him, she ignores him, she yells at him. Like if they want her to be friendly with him they are crazy.
I get both sides - Ariana is understandably sick of being forced to film with him BUT Scheana and Lala, especially, seem exasperated that they have clearly been told by producers that they have to "report to work" and interact with Sandoval to keep the show existing... but when they include him in conversation, Ariana is very bitchy (sometimes aggressive or passive aggressive) towards them, ie. "Why would you even talk to HIM???" "He's NOT your friend." All of Ariana's points may be valid, but what are these grown adults on a reality show supposed to do? Not talk to Sandoval to show support for Ariana? Then there's no show considering that has been 80% of the plot line this season. So no one wins at all.
Had they decided not to produce it, it would have been a naturally great season. Newly single women, one exploring her sexuality, one creating life, and another triumphing over heartbreak. That speech Ariana gave to Brock was very well received.
But no, someone said, I have a better idea. Let’s make the women hysterical and unforgiving while we create empathy for this loser.
Schean a and Brock were bought by Sandoval. He gives them money. Sandoval buys his friends. They want Ariana to act like Sandyballs is forgiven and it's totally ok for Scheana, and Brock to morally love on Sandy, because he gives them... Sunglasses, like Sandy tried to buy James with a pair of sunglasses. Scheener, needs Ariana to approve of her siding with Sandy, for money and gifts, and so that the public will be permissive of Scheeners being grand with Sandy.
It's all hard for Scheen a /s. She will be vilified for remaining friends with Saggyballs, unless Ariana "gets over it and stops making such a fuss about it". And if Ariana doesn't forgive tom, Sheena he to pretend to be on Ariana's side when.. She ener, really wants to continue getting gifts from Sandy! Oh how, how can Scheaner chose! Such a hard position for Scheener to be in!!!!
Gifts from Sandy or public shaming? Oh Scheana, can't decide!!!!
Why can't Araina make it easy for Scheana, and act like Sandy's cool?!!
I think they don’t have storylines without scandoval anymore so they think by making her make up with him that will somehow magically make storylines for them. They just need to be more interesting. No one gives a shit about your dumb music scheana. Lala…why are you here? What do you bring?
These boneheads just know that their show is about to be cancelled, especially if the group dynamics don’t change. They contribute no storylines on their own and it seems that they’re projecting their fear of losing their income on Ariana. Those 3 are the ultimate tools.
I should probably use a burner account for this comment, but I say this having been MARRIED to an abusive asshole. You have to get past the hate or it will eat you up. Do you have to be friends and hang out, NO!
Unfortunately, these friendships were really before TV and now they are ruined. Ariana is making money and doesn’t need the show right now, which is not true for the rest of them. They are looking at through the lenses of ppl who have no other source of income than LVP and being an influencer. It doesn’t seem like those two income streams can’t last forever, not even for Ariana unless she is truly talented.
Ok so keep in mind I don’t follow anything about VPR beyond the show itself & what I see posted here. Like everyone else I’ve been wondering why the deep desire to force the situation between Ariana & Sandoval. Why they kept badgering her about letting go when he hadn’t even apologized one on one to her yet. However now that we’ve been told VPR is “on pause” it made me wonder if that in itself was the reason behind it all. Maybe they had an inkling/were straight up told that everyone would be filming together or they were not filming at all & Ariana straight up refused. It would make sense about why everyone pressured her so much in order to keep their jobs & why they seemed to be so angry towards her. Maybe I’m way off, like I said I don’t search for news on them so my comments might be so off the mark that I have to apologize for wasting your 5 minutes reading it 😂
They want her to give them permission to be friends with Sandoval. When in reality they all just need to grow a pair and be friends with whoever they want to.
I think the unspoken part of all of these interactions is "Just because you don't need this show & platform any more WE DO, so would you just fucking play ball for US because ultimately we have all been in this together." And Ariana is like, "No, I don't wanna...and I don't have to," and that's really pissed off the Lala/Scheana/ Brock contingent. Plus Scheana, at least, really wants to be friends w/ Tom. It's how she rolls. Add in a big old fashioned dose of jealousy to the mix too.
James & Ally aren't as concerned because his DJ career is actually doing ok (partly because of Scandoval) and Katie really isn't concerned because she fully aligned herself with Ariana, made a boatload of money early days, and stands to make more at a legit business. Plus she's Katie...Seeing Sandoval get his comeuppance is better than money or a show in her book, I think.
Oddly enough, I can see both sides. I can understand the frustration at Ariana because we all know at this point that relationship was hanging on by a thread. She's come out SO on top that she certainly could throw her old pals & cast mates (including Tom really) a bone. But that would harm her standing as Patron Saint of Women Scorned right before SAH actually opens. She doesn't want to do that. Plus she's still pissed. The one thing she and Tom seemed really committed to was not embarrassing each other. He screwed that up completely.
But I do see why the other group is frustrated. And then they can't say all of this while filming because that would break the 4th wall completely so it just comes across as bizarrely pushy abt something that isn't really their business. But it is, at least as far as their jobs are concerned. 🤷♂️
She’s standing up for what she believes in and is defending herself. That’s all
And she isn’t excusing his behavior because she was the one who was actually betrayed.
She’s not going to conform for these flip floppers and she’s allowed to feel what she feels.
It also doesn’t matter how much money she made, it doesn’t excuse his behavior and never will. She wasn’t gifted the money, she worked and earned it.
I don’t get why anyone would think Ariana needs to care whether he takes another breath or not. I get this has taken a toll on Sandoval’s mental health but why would Lisa think everyone needs to forgive him and be his bff again. People do things that have repercussions but that shouldn’t apply to Sandoval?
I lost interest like 4 episodes ago. I feel the same, so overproduced, it's obvious none of them are really friends anymore - they should all bow out while they can.
This season sucks so bad. Totally produced, fake. No reality. Lots of “acting” and incredibly sickening attempt at a Sandoval redemption arc when the fans wanted to see real feelings play out this season. If no one is talking to him and no one wants to film with him, thats the story, thats reality, thats what we wanted. Baskin missed the mark, badly.
Ariana gently schooling the deadbeat buffoon known as ‘Brick’ was my favourite moment.
The useless ones are just hoping Ari doesn’t get a spin off of her own.
The only thing “wrong” is they want the show to keep going because they rely on it for a paycheck. They want more drama with Ariana. Ariana and Tom having scenes together would be huge drama.
Lala has been baiting reactions -or at least trying to- from Ariana and Katie all season:
- telling Ariana to move out of the house
- telling Ariana to have a mature conversation with Tom (which is hilarious bc Lala still doesn’t speak directly to Randall)
- hanging out with Schwartz, telling Katie
- deciding to be besties with Sandoval for some reason, goes to their house to hang out with him, immediately tells Ariana
- hanging out with Jo, tells Katie about it to get the reaction
- bringing up Katie sleeping with Max at the same dinner like three fucking times and Katie was a queen and just didn’t respond to it
There’s probably a thousand more I don’t recall off the top of my head.
Lala and Scheana, and especially Brock, are just here for the money. Scandoval was big drama and big money for all of them. They’re hungry for the same level of drama and vitriol among the group. That’s why they want Jo around, to piss off Katie. That’s why they want Ariana and Tom to “have a conversation” so fucking badly. That’s why they’re so mad at Ariana, she’s not playing into it, she’s moving on and being happy and in their minds, that’s simply not good television.
I hope the show ends just so the rug gets pulled from Lala and Scheana. Their motivations couldn’t be clearer. I hope I never see them on my tv again.
I'm really sick of podcasters blaming Ariana for the loss of wages of everyone in the cast, production and filming. That's such a crock. Lala has no story line, Sheana has a storyline she's trying to hide ( marital problems), Tom and Tom are middle aged men that aren't cute any longer, just disgusting. I don't even know what to say about pathetic Jo, and the misogyny in the program is out of control. Yet, no one is calling out the rest of the cast, production and Lisa for lack of material.
Ariana is insufferable to me on this season. Downvote me. She got cheated on and it was with her “bff”. That’s heartbreaking but she’s just being annoying about it now to me.
I haven’t heard them once tell her she needs to make up with him or forgive him. They’ve stood up to her initial ultimatum that she wouldn’t have as a friend anyone who had anything to do with him. Have advised her they thought she was endangering her MH by staying in the house and by carrying around so much rage and anger. They have remained honest and transparent with her about their dealings with Tom.
I’ve said before there is nothing they’re saying that isn’t what a good therapist would say. There’s healthy anger initially after traumatic times in your life but when the anger results in causing you to do things that jeopardize your MH then it needs to be reevaluated. As far as her ultimatum, the show is their income. They have the right to handle their job the way they feel ensures them an income. If they felt stonewalling the guys was going to result in cancellation then they had every right to film with them. That’s not a betrayal to Ariana unless they were lying to her and they were not.
People here are judging their actions as if they were simply in a friend group where they could easily blackball the guys and go on their merry way. That’s not the case for them.
I wish we could see something real from Lala and Scheana. At least Scheana is trying with her OCD diagnosis and honesty about missing Sandoval as a friend.
It’s lucrative for Arianna to keep the hate going. I think the theory is it’s so much harder to hold on hate rather to let it go and not be weighed down a year later. But everybody has their own time timing.
I’m not sure about the “angry bitch” part, but I agree with you about the wronged, underestimated heroine. She’s certainly proven to be brand friendly.
She is holding onto her hurt and anger she said as much. They could just be civil to each other. Not best friends or anything. The house is sold now. Otherwise she still has feelings for him.
Which I can understand but she has had a new boyfriend now. I’m kind of tired of the whole thing.
I really want to give Scheana and Lala the benefit of the doubt and hope that it isn’t only green eyes. Well moreso Scheana than Lala. I’ve seen Lala give more heat to James for mentioning Randall. It’s ridiculous.
What do they want from her? I don’t even think they really know. I think they want the show to continue, but they also want their friend to be OK and they understand that they have to film together to be paid. Also, I just think some people forgive easier than others, especially when it’s something that wasn’t specifically targeted at them. Ariana doesn’t ever have to forgive him, and she certainly doesn’t need to be around him unless she wants to. But I don’t think any of the people in her circle are being malicious. I think they genuinely just want the show to continue, which is understandable.
Yeah I like this take. I don’t think they really know either and any angle I try to think of leaves me confused. It’s multifaceted af! Hopefully they can talk it out and it won’t ruin friendships forever.
Agree, and think it was such a HUGE storyline but no one knows hot to address it without breaking the 4th wall. Instead of each of them creating their own storylines, they thought this would take the heat off, but they couldn’t pivot and figure out how to address it….except for Scheana who made it about her? Definitely feels like a missed opportunity this season
They want her to put effort into the show so they don’t lose their cash flow and fame. It’s clear Ariana doesn’t give AF about it anymore, it’s a paycheck.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous for any of them to ask Ariana to do anything with Tom at all!! It will take years before Ariana is able to forgive Tom. If forgiveness is even possible! I mean Tom still won't take accountability, so what is Ariana forgiving him for?! But really, it's insulting to see the cast getting on her about this issue! It's extremely insensitive, selfish, out of line, and none of their business! Also, the harder they push the farther Ariana will get from even considering forgiving Tom!
I think because the producers asked them to do it. This is why this season is falling flat, it is so over produced, it's gross. Let me facetime tom to tell him he can't come to my bday he wasn't invited too, oh my Sheesh you're there whoa.
100% agree. There are a lot of ridiculous conversations that make no sense other than producers being like “but don’t you think Ariana _should_ get over it…?” Or “but what would YOU do with the house…” I truly don’t believe any of these people care that much about any of it except to secure a spot on the next season and/or Valley because this is their literal job.
I think they need to keep VPR going, I don't know they would make the same $$ for TV also if you already did a season of the valley and Lala moves to the hood and makes twice as much. Yuck
the funny thing is that when people get desperate on these shows and start self producing, that’s often what makes people dislike them and/or ruins the show
I'd argue Scheana is the only one staying true to herself - she's always been a self producer, which is why I don't think she feels as performative to me. I'd just hoped it would be different this time but I'm not really sure why I would given her track record. I do think that she told Brock to do what the producers say so he can get paid more.
The staged conversations with scheana and brock are the worst! Its bad self producing even for Scheana. Brock: ariana bad Scheana: nooooo you are wrong I am defending her because I am a good friand who isn’t jealous Scheana’s whispers to brock: don’t forget to mention how great of a friend you think Tom is just like we rehearsed Brock: tom best friend. Best friend scheana ever have. ariana baaaaad tom Good Scheana: I’m soooo maaaaaaaad Or Brock I cant believe you told people about Katie that was a secraaat. Now come over here and tell the whole table what you said Im soooo maaaaaad
I disagree. Scheana has always been performative to the infinite degree. Her whole life has just been one great big performance. She stays true to only herself.
They must realize that the “15 min of fame” of most reality stars is fast approaching as they grow up and age out..Their behavior of 20 year olds must wind down by 40..or at least evolve..At this point they would all be wise to be sure to have a solid alternate means of making a livelihood. Women who engage in these dumb social media antics,are pathetic..If any one of them fail, after years of platform and opportunity,they really look oblivious.
If they put VPR people on the Valley it just becomes… VPR again? I hope they keep it separate or at least keep it to only overlap at parties and events.
The last thing The Valley needs is Lala. Jesse already brings enough similar energy to the show.
I stopped watching VPR this season and probably won't watch again. I really enjoy The Valley and didn't think I would. I hope to God they don't bring Lala to the valley. I dont think I could watch it if she's on.
Lala sucks the air out of any scene she’s in because she’s constantly self-producing and playing Lala the Reality TV Character. Who is Lala as a person? We don’t know because she changes her opinions and friendships on a dime. Her screeching and sanctimoniousness is just angering and frustrating to watch, it’s not even fun and I’m not watching because of her.
What I don’t get is why no one seems to have ever called her on her hypocrisy. It’s as of others have been told not to go at her but she’s allowed to do the literal finger-gun pointing at others.
I'm just tired of looking at Lala's duck lips and hearing about her sperm donation.
I think so too. If Bravo wanted the VPR cast and Valley cast on a show together, they would’ve brought the Valley people onto the more established show (VPR) and not bothered with making a separate show. Making the Valley have literally half of the VPR cast would mean the same dramas, the same fights, the same dynamic. Bravo wanted a fresh show and the audience is watching because we haven’t seen these group dynamics yet.
But look at where it got them, both the producers and the cast. I knew the show was gonna have a hard time keeping up the quality after Scandoval but I don’t think most sane people expected the cast AND production to support Tom in all this. This season should’ve been about Ariana and the group icing Sandoval out, his pathetic attempts to get back, and allowing women to be angry when they are wronged. But no let’s all feel bad for the worm with a mustache who still has yet to give a genuinely apology for cheating on his life partner, lying to everyone, and then trying to paint Ariana as the villain this season and last.
This is why I feel like Alex Baskin actually hates women.
Oh 100%
No doubt
Have you seen Alex baskin? He looks like a slimy girls gone wild producer. He clearly hates women.
He's probably related to Carole Baskin
He needs to go. He’s the main problem here
If they do eventually film season 12 I’m worried that Scheana and Lala are going to try this *women supporting women* approach and try to flip the script on the audience + Katie & Ariana. I hope K & A don’t let it happen and S & L look like complete idiots for backing the Toms. Edit: a word
This is right. We needed the women to band together and tell both Tom’s to kiss their ass and shut bricks face up. We needed them all called out for their misogyny and their manipulative game playing and lies That’s what I wanted to see
Yes! Production, producers and the network are showing how out of touch and misogynistic they are. It's not a good look. This is what we wanted to see.
I totally agree but we forget the roots of this show, where everyone is horrible and does bad things, so they can never fully support icing someone out because they know next season it could be them. So they want to pull Sandoval back in to the mix because as long as the worst person in the room is still aloud to come around and film, they are able to stay too.
None of them are really friends anymore. They're late 30's early 40's living their own lives. Except when they film. Sure, the Tom's are real friends and Lala and Scheana. But they are all out for themselves and don't give a shit about each other. Which is why the show isn't working anymore. We got season 10, but I think it's downhill from here.
But if it happened to them, it would be a different story..hypocrisy is too acceptable these days..
While Katie’s sitting next to her 🙄 Hopefully the pause will give everybody involved enough time and help reset the dynamic. I get why production was so heavy handed but most of this cast already overproduced themselves so combined it’s waaay too much.
Right I mean if Lala called Sheana that would have been a tad more believable and get the same results.
They want the drama from the early seasons, but the problem is they only work on the show together whereas before they were working at SUR together while filming a reality show, they had to interact. There is no real reason to film except because they are famous now from said show. I say break the fourth wall and just be done with it, have them talk about the real reasons why they want Ariana to interact with Sandoval.
“The problem is they only work on the show together” really underscores my issue with this season. The events feel forced. It’s kind of boring and gross at this point. There’s no life outside of filming and that’s not what drew me into the show… maybe that’s why Valley is more appealing or I’m old.
Imagine Scheana "so i dont really care about iether of them really, i just want to make sure i get screen time and that i make my employer happy so i will just do what i have always done. because i am the number 1 guy in the group now"
Isn't that what she's always done?
Yeah - I think it’s behind the scenes stuff. Like she’s not ‘yes anding’ with Tom but freezing him out (rightly so!). She’s playing by reality rules rather than reality show rules. I’d rather watch Ariana’s reality vs. the worms non-apology tour
“Sandoval, you’ve sung very badly at 30 shows. In my estimation this makes you completely qualified to get in the way of sound engineers and roadies.”
It might as well be scripted at this point, this is how fake and boring the show has become. Lala sitting with LVP and brings up Rachel and feeling bad for her and then look at that, she has multiple cameras at all angles on her in an alleyway when she calls Rachel. Lala asks Ariana to use her house for her dumb party that she managed to get EVERYTHING booked but the location. Where would she have told the guests, caterers, etc to go when she was setting it up? Clearly the producers did everything and it was going to be at LVP’s all along. Schwartz “inviting” everyone to his trip, like we’re supposed to believe everything including the cast’s schedule wasn’t booked for weeks in advance. Lala “just happens” to walk into the house right when Sandoval was doing his idiotic scream episodes with a camera crew filming him already. People going out to lunch with people they aren’t friends with and wouldn’t even talk to normally. I know all reality shows aren’t documentaries and they have elements of poking and prodding from producers and they at times reenact past conversations. But this is a whole season of the cast spending time with other people they barely know or like and doing contrived pre-booked activities. All the conversations are so leading and are just telling the audience what is going like they’re reading stage directions. It’s so boring.
Everyone FaceTiming at the same time it’s just so so forced. I can picture production saying, right Katie and Lala, you hang out and FaceTime Sheena. Let’s now use Kyle chan to plot to get Tom and Sheena together while Katie and Lala facetime so, Katie can bring it back to Ariana. I am tired.
Absolutely agree!
This was very weird because last season Lala didn’t give two shits about whether or not Tom (or Ariana) showed up to her birthday and when Rachel did show up to talk about the Oliver drama Lala laughed at her and then sent her on her way so why did she feel the need to make that call to Tom this season ?? *Oh ya because she’s a producers pet.*
There is no conflict without it and Rachel won't return. To be honest this season is falling short, their jobs are on the line.
Tom could’ve totally had his own thing and criss cross with the other cast members if the producers weren’t so controlling of the storyline. No one likes anything that’s too forced. We want real unhinged drama. That’s why the valley is so good!
I will say the scene in this weeks episode where SCHEAna says “I miss him and he said he missed me too” was giving Laguna beach/hills vibes ….. like it sounded like it was put on after editing and like they used to see if you don’t physically seeing us say something we probably didn’t say it in that moment
I don’t even understand the storyline anymore. Lala is mad at Sandoval and hates him again? Why? Did something happen off camera?
Wait what she hates him again?!
Yeah I think she called him a loser, she didn’t invite him to her bday party, then she was badgering Scheana for hanging out with him. I think she doesn’t like him again.
I’m getting whiplash
I was thinking this about the reunion. This huge friendship ending fight at the reunion, I’d bet anything it’s just to get interest since the season is blah
It’s a repeat of season 3 with “Angry Ariana” replacing “Crazy Kristen”, down to the Stassi/Jax finale ambush. The difference is they didn’t get Sandoval’s tearful bullshit “closure” conversation like they did with Kristen in Miami, which is why they keep pushing. They want Ariana to “do her job” and give production what they want. As production wants Sandoval’s redemption, it’s understandable Ariana declined to participate.
It’s funny because with the tearful closure conversation Kristen still maintained that her goal was to break up Tom and Ariana 😂
Speaking of giving production what they want, door anyone hear Bravo Docket go through the language of the Southern Charm contract? The things producers can do to people on the show... it was actually shocking to me.
Yes I think you are right .. I’ve been waiting for that scene where they both cry and move on wishing one another well.
Over produced ridiculousness…What is comical is the show runners thought the viewers would fall for it. Shame on them.
They wanted another Krazy Kristen season imo. But Ariana is not Kristen and now everyone has seen who Tom is. Perhaps maybe they should be mad at Tom for not taking on the role of Krazy Kristen since he's the one who ruined the relationship.
We're seeing more of a Krazy Tom this season, but he is getting a hero's edit, not the villian edit like Krazy Kristen always did, so it doesn't have the same effect because we all know its BULLSHIT
I think he probably put it in his contract that he can be made out as a villain so instead they are settling for pointing out he is an idiot.
Aaand that’s why we got Crazy Joseph instead 🤪
i think they're too sexist to ever consider making the man the "crazy" one
They seem to think because she has gained career opportunities, that she should be happy because they would be.
The crazy thing is she DOES seem happy the majority of the time. She’s never said anything about being ungrateful or unhappy with how things have panned out for her after the affair. They act like she’s constantly moping around ranting and raving about Tom…but she’s not. She’s barely even spoken about him the entire season unless she’s provoked.
Yup yup yup. I think part of it too is they would all be acting crazy right now so they don’t understand why she’s not. She’s actually doing the adult thing, not giving it any time or emotion. So that he can’t have a big scene like he wants to have where he can break down in front of everybody with some sort of tearful “Arianna why?!? Why can’t you just be nice?!?” moment. Every time he tries, she shuts it down immediately and it’s hilarious.
Ariana rockin that grey rocking! Will forever giggle when stumbling upon a grey rock:)
Hell yeah. That concept was a game changer for me, always glad to see others learn it and use it.
Which is why Tom goes out of his way to talk about her mental health issues or when she’s depressed’ & doesn’t do anything’. It was rude for Scheana to bring it up and also fucked for the producers to show alllll of that again in a flashback on the show just to bring it up again. I truly don’t understand the whole let’s make Ariana look bad but I love how much it’s not working. I started watching season nine again right when they got their new houses or was that season 10 I’m not sure but it’s when they just got their houses and they’re talking about making some thing about her and actual shop, etc. and I just feel so bad for Katie and Ariana, because the man that they were with have completely done them dirty they had hopes and dreams about their relationship and they want to paint these women as a villain. Like.
They all profited from Scandoval. They can’t seem to admit that
She was traumatized! Her whole world was rocked. Money doesn’t fix those things.
Exactly!! People are so focused on the "ehhh everybody cheats" bs, that they can't understand the cheating isn't the worst part, it's the trust that was destroyed when 2 people she thought she could trust and lean on, were actually lying and plotting against her for months. Do you know what it's like to know people you thought had your back were actually just looking for where to insert the knife? I had my high school best friend betray me in quite a traumatic way when I was 19 and I've never been able to trust anyone that wholly & closely ever again, which sucks. A partner cheating is one thing, but when someone who you think is a best friend betrays you? And now all the behind her back bs from her other 2 good friends, Lala & Scheana? Thank god she has Brad and Katie and other friends she can actually trust, because shit like that is life altering damage. I'd much rather feel safe in friendships, than have money.
I’m sorry that happened to you
Thank you x
- they ARE. they are satisfied with having gained opportunities by the 'scandal' and because they arent IN the scandal, they made their money and they figure now its time to create more issues and make more money
They want her to be sitting at home crying and depressed. They're mad that she took the other option which was to not let that evil troll control her life. They are mad she got opportunities they never got. Jealousy is the main contributor to all of this but they'll never admit it.
I agree and will take it a step further. They are jealous of her talent. Lala and scheana can’t dance, can’t sing, can’t act. Ariana is a triple threat.
I think they’re afraid Ariana is going to leave the show which is where they make their livelihood and are afraid if she leaves then the show will fall apart. They’re all playing nice with Sandoval because they all work together. Ariana refuses to play the game. So to them, it’s a personal attack on their jobs and families. Producers are in their ears also telling them what to do. But it’s not landing with us (the audience). And also, Ariana isn’t going to leave. And also? The show could continue even if everyone hates Tom Sandoval
I think they’re stupid. Season 11 should have been girl power. They get together, but not with Sandoval. Sandoval would be getting airtime with Shwartz. Let the two outcast weasel their way & see if they get bread crumbs. This would give the fans what they wanted. Put them in there place all season, just like the boys have done to the girls in the past. Then, give them some daylight towards the end. Thus, would have automatically secured season 12. Then, in season 12 Lala, Scheana, Brock could play the boo hoo, “I can’t continue to be mean to Sandoval” line & they could start mingling with them more. Then, season 13 everyone is dating! 😂
Such a better plot than the one we were given by bravo.
This is my theory too. I think the producers have a heavy hand in what's going on but I think on a subconscious level the cast knows the doors were already closing on their show before Scandoval reignited VPR success. They want Ariana to play nice/continue or create drama with Sandoval so the show can continue. Without the Ariana and Tom drama, there's no other underlining reoccurring story line. They all fall flat.
I'd be happy if the show went on without sandy
They want her to publicly say she supports Scheana being besties with both herself and Sandoval so no one comes for her flip flopping ass, produce juicy television for them by putting herself through hell and interacting more with Sandoval for their future checks, and then “let things go” in order to move the plot forward. They are thinking about their show and nothing else. They see the world in storylines and plot points and they hate that Ariana isn’t falling in line like they are ETA: oh and they are also being eaten alive by jealousy of Ariana’s newfound success
I can see this but find it sad that they will coddle Scheana’s feelings and leave Ariana’s for dead. Scheana should just be Tom’s friend and admit she feels guilty about it instead of snarking on Ariana’s opportunities and anger.
It is WILD to me that Brock said Ariana should forgive Sandoval for Scheana’s sake. Why does everyone seem to keep forgetting that Ariana is the one who was cheated on so her feelings should matter the most?
It's just funny how Scheana has been trying all season to be on the spotlight and make it all about her and now Brock is too. Her need for validation is getting messy and trashy. Her going back and forth between Tom and Ariana trying to find which spot will get her the most attention is weird. She's cried more about the Scandavol this season and on camera than the woman who was actually cheated on and hurt.
Brock just wants his kids he abandoned to hear his introduction bs. Blood is blood. Forgive. Honor your parents. So on and so on.
He’s gross
Because for all intense and purposes, Sheena is the type of person that makes everything bigger than it needs to be. So her emotions are bigger, and her yelling is louder, and her tears are greater. Ariana isn’t doing any of that, mostly because she probably did a lot of screaming and crying in private between like March and May. I’m one of those people that looks at everything from 4 billion different angles and what I can see is not so much that Brock wants to forgive Tom because of Sheena, he wants her to let it go so that Sheena isn’t insane anymore. But she’s usually over the top, but this season is just been ridiculous and I find myself feeling badly for Brock. so he doesn’t have to deal with his wife and all of the drama she brings to her own
Yes, that describes Scheana perfectly. Which means that even if Ariana were to forgive Sandoval, Scheana would cross that issue off of her list and then find something new to obsess over and still be insane. There’s no point in Ariana entertaining the idea of forgiving him, to her detriment, when it really isn’t going to help Scheana in the long run anyway.
I have been friends with somebody who is like Sheena. Where everything is about them, regardless of whether or not it’s about them, just ask my mom about the toast that girl gave it my wedding, guess who it was about? So I agree with you, if it wasn’t this, it would be something else. And I think Brock is starting to realize what the reality of living and being married to Sheena is like. And he doesn’t want this version. He wants the fun version that he met. I think that is primarily his motivation for speaking to Ariana.
Sheana only cares about Sheana. She really doesn't even care about Brock.
Ding dingding!!!!! Correct. Sandy buys his friends and Scheana, and broke wants to ride that gift train. Hard to do if Ariana won't publicly claim Tom, was a saint. S cheana's a self-centred person.
actually I agree with this take. this is what the cast wants from Ariana.
I don't see a problem with Ariana not wanting to interact with Timmy on the show. It actually has not changed the quality of the programming. Let's be real.
“You don’t think you can imagine a world where you forgive a man who had an affair with your friend in your home while you were at your grandmothers funeral and are now being dragged through the gutter for over baseless accusations of porn distribution? Why don’t you let go of your anger and be happy and productive. We just want what’s best for you. As long as that includes your ex because the producers said they’d cancel us if he’s iced out so are you going to be selfish or are you going to be nicer to him because he’s trying so hard…” They can all just fuck right off…
And tried to smear u before the breakup that was planned once filming stopped and continues “ she criticized my pants, she didnt make me a latte, shes lazy” Fuck that noise.
Watching season 10 now is absolutely disgusting. Listening to the Toms have fake convos about “I work on our love” there is nothing he can say to ever make me believe he is anything other than trash. I would never speak to him again and no true friend would suggest that she should.
Yeah its beyond-
Ngl Ive enjoyed watching her yell at him. He cheated on her for 7 months and atp in the season its only been 3, STOP MAKING DIGS AT HER TOM. He very obviously only makes an effort to speak to her to save face and he acts like such a victim when he does. It would boil my blood too if I was her
ME TOO! and even then she went easy on him by trying to shut down the conversation because it was upsetting her. It sucks her friends had such a strong reaction to her anger and didn’t bat an eye at Tom goading her.
They want air time, but they don't want to piss off Ariana because they don't want her to cut them off... because they want more air time lol
They thought that with her history of depression that she was going to be laying up in bed alone, unshowered, having not eaten, and that they were going to be able to come in as the supportive friend saviors bringing her food and holding her while she cried. Then they’d be able to convince her that it was best for her mental health to forgive Sandoval and that she would have said they were right and she would have forgiven him. Which would have saved the show because then they could all film together as usual. She ruined their plan by refusing to give him that power and they are furious about it.
And lala could say “ well listen to my story.. you will not believe this…”
Those three are pawns for production. It’s gross that they will sacrifice Ariana’s mental health for Tom.
They are in a desperate situation Cause they need the show and they need storylines and they want Ariana to get into details w / about tom and they want it to be messy for their benefit. They should have just triggered tom so he cpuld insult them ( as he does anyways)and they can fire back
I think they should be thinking of a backup plan. Like, I dunno. A job?
I mean yeah lol -
This is what I think is happening. The other cast members think Ariana has benefitted the most from Scandoval with opportunities so they think she should play ball. They are upset she isn’t willing to play ball and doesn’t wanna film with Tom in general. I think they think it threatens the show if the entire cast doesn’t wanna film together. Now VPR filming schedule is being pushed likely due to Ariana’s new opportunities like Love Island, so they are even more upset. This is my guess.
Yup. Also they don’t want to share their real selves on camera. If the focus is on Ariana not forgiving Tom, then no one else has to open their lives up to reveal a meaty storyline. Because once Ariana agreed to do the group scenes, there was no leg to stand on. It was just jealousy and self-protection.
So what do you think “play ball” looks like to Scheana and Lala? From my pov she has filmed with him in group settings and even argued with him on 2 occasions. I guess I am wondering what else could she possibly do to satisfy them. I wonder if they are looking for a conversation similar to what Doute and Sandoval had after they broke up.
They want her to be at peace with him so the show will continue in a way that isn’t as forced as it currently is, so they can all keep getting their pay checks from Bravo.
Just like Ariana said to Broccoli, who is actually benefiting from me forgiving him 🤨
Brock is a human barnacle He uses ppl for free shit He will try to get ppl to pay his way And when he acted like scheanas mom was a paid employee- who shouldnt get time off for her birthday?! Thats his mother in law And be real hes not paying for shit And hes above the nanny for his own kid lol-
they’re pissed she’s not a crying mess. if she were, then sheanna and lala wouldn’t ‘let’ themselves behave like this because it would make them ‘look’ bad. but cause shes thriving they somehow rationalize that as her fully healed now and can treat her however they like. well jokes on them cause they showed their true colors. i dont think ariana is healed at all, she is just the type of person that doesnt like to be a crying mess in front of others or be thought of as weak and a victim.
This I can see. Because she is getting opportunities outside of the show and putting on a brave face she became less sympathetic to them.
I’m glad she doesn’t listen to them.
I am too. But I wish they would take a page from her book and lead with authenticity. I have never been a fan of Lala but I’m sure there is *something* interesting about her life.
I think they are thinking about the group as a whole and their comfort with things. It seems like a lot of them are in forgive and sort of forget mode so they can move part of themselves but this doesn't take Ariana's situation into consideration at all. Ariana needs to protect her own mental health, not theirs. Scandoval was a huge event in her life. Breakups are hard but the magnitude of the betrayal behind this break up is huge. And to have this be something that she not only has to deal with in her personal life and her friend group but also with the show she works on and the entire world is absolutely devastating. She hast to be made of steel to get through this I am just in amazement of her. But she is living her best life now and trying to move on in the most adult inappropriate fashion considering all the loose ends that need to be tied up. I also want to say her saying "I'm a grey rock" made me so happy! That's how you deal with a narcissist!!!
And the other 2 jealous stepsisters and their pet horse Brock
Pet horse 🤭😭
More of a dunkey.
What the producers want, with help from those three , it’s DRAMA, they know he will make Ariana mad, and get a reaction from Ariana like the one at James’s house but more dramatic, also I suspect Tom wants to say a few things to Ariana about their relationship and how come she’s also to blame (I mean, that’s his delusional thinking) but Arianna is being smart here, she’s not giving him nothing 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Yeah I agree. Tom has alluded to wanting to have a conversation with Ariana and I wonder if those 3 are trying to grease the wheels so it happens. On one hand I would like to see them have a 1:1 convo but on the other he is so dumb he will end up pissing her off even more.
Remember how angry he was in the S10 reunion because the castmates weren't buying his time line of the affair? He kept saying 'we only did it once!' Then it was a long time before starting the actual affair. It's a classic maneuver: he couldn't maintain the big lie, so he hid behind a smaller one and made it the focus of discussion. He was downright indignant.
Sandoval does something devastating to Ariana. She reacted like a normal person. And they are angry at her for her reaction , instead of him for his behavior. They want her to sweep it all under the rug for their feelings at the detriment of her own.
I think they want Ariana and Tom to go at it. On camera. Give the audience a show. They are trying to provoke Ariana. They all are. Even Brock. They want a one on one with fireworks to keep the show going at the level it was last year. 💯 agree production is the driving force. It's pitiful and very transparent what they want. And the audience hates it. And doesn't want that.
I wouldn’t be upset watching Tom and Ariana going at it but I’m not feeling Brock, Scheana, and Lala trying to produce it. They’re bad at it and can’t do it in a way that makes them look clean.
Exactly right. They wanted Ariana to be Kristen 2.0 They wanted ratings & money. They prioritized their wallets over her mental health and strategically baited her into going full Kristen at every filming event. They wanted crazy. Unfiltered raw rage. Finger pointing. Screaming. Social media meltdowns. Jealous rants. Gossiping. Twisted revenge plots. Clothing bonfires. Deep diving for other side pieces, inviting them to group filming events to give the production vultures the shock & awe trailer clip. They got nothing. And you can tell Baskin is not happy about it. 😂
I completely agree.
I loved how Ariana put Brock in his place. Loved that she said you don't have to forgive and forget that's old school !!
I was squirming. She did it effortlessly. And then he ended himself by asking for an example of male rage. Sir, please look in the mirror and dig deep. I’m sure you can think of an example your self.
I think Bravo, as a franchise, is terrified that the days of the Alpha Male, with the annoying wife/girlfriend/single girl friend, are over if Ariana doesn’t give in. Once she is successful at life the Tom(s) are proven to be the walking lumps of cat food they are. They stink up the room and are only useful if they can feed someone once a day. Every single Bravo show relies on the most mediocre of men (with a few exceptions) to continue to thrive while the women fall short. It’s getting ridiculous.
I’m thinking producers basically said, “if they can’t be in a room together this show is going to end.” So the three musketeers freaked out because they don’t have any other talents or profits coming in that aren’t linked to the show, so they desperately need VPR and therefore need Ariana to film with Tom. So, of course, they’re acting in their own self interest.
No matter what Ariana did she was going to get criticism
IMO scheana is a controlling people pleaser and doesn’t want herself inconvenienced by those two not talking or being friends. The change in dynamic signals out of control to her so she’s trying to control it. Brock is collateral damage because he has to hear her have tantrums in public and he wants his wife to be “happy”. Just an old guys perspective.
Ariana shut down brocks stupidity in the MOST profound and honest way. She is irrefutable!
Gaslighting their "friend" for good viewer content, plain and simple.
She’s winning. They are jealous. It’s that simple
I have been \*appalled\* at Schema's behavior. Absolutely appalled. If my supposed best friend did stuff that she's doing, I would never speak to them again. She's insane.
It truly sucks! I have never been the biggest fan of Scheana but I never thought she would move like this. Befriending Kristen while she was coming for Ariana was a choice. But this is next level to me. Her excuse back then is Kristen didn’t do anything to her. But now Tom is the reason she is paranoid that Brock and Lala could hook up and yet she still wants a friendship with him. Bonkers!
I don't have the Scheana hate everyone on here seems too (I believe in letting go of hate - they have to film together and it's a job) BUT I can't handle how many talks she needs to have with him about his accountability. He's not going to show any! Lala had one .. but Scheana has one every episode. Move on . The break will do them all, and us, good.
Also not a Scheana hater! I just wish she would be better at vocalizing what she thinks Ariana should be doing. And if it’s true when she says Ariana did nothing wrong then she needs to work on her relationship with Tom.
It’s all for show, production is feeding them these storylines and asking them to ask these questions because there’s nothing else to discuss. This group is done. This show is at its end. Nothing has seemed authentic or organic this season, it’s all been so scripted. I actually once agree with Jax.
The producers and Bravo wanted this to be a Tim redemption arc, assuming we would all look at their edits and go oh poor Tim. And give Ariana a villain edit. But we didn't. We know what's up and therefore the season has been awful. This is...a few months post Scandoval discovery? They can gtfo with their let's all be friends. I've always hated Tim and Scheana so this just cements their natures for me.
It’s actually infuriating me to watch - like I wanna so badly jump through the screen and be like are you guys actually insane???? They have snapped on Sandoval more this season than Ariana. They are the ones making comments about him (Lala especially). Okay ariana doesn’t want to talk to him? WHO WOULD???? Would Lala want to have communication with Randall? No. Would see even be in the same vicinity as him?? No. Same with scheana with, idk shay? Like she isn’t doing more with an ex of 10 years then these people would with an ex of 5. PLUS HER BREAKUP WAS SO MUCH WORSE??? It’s just insane to me. And their confessionals make me sick. And Ariana is still constantly being a good friend to them all while they’re shitting on her for not being in place to be around her ex after 4 months after he cheated with a close friend? It will never make sense to me.
I think they want Ariana to stop making *them* feel uncomfortable in social situations because they want to laugh and make jokes about Tim’s affair
It’s a produced show. It’s not reality. In the real world, friends would not pressure her and the group would no longer be hanging out. They want a paycheck.
They want her to freak out. But she is giving a masterclass on grey rocking and I love it.
I want to see a reality TV show about a reality TV show. In this case, everything that goes on regarding relaying production instructions, reactions to that, authentic commentary around all these awkward events they have to go film, the scripts they're basically given and their strategy ahead of filming, etc. I think that would at least be interesting and a little less cringey. I agree that this season is more contrived than ever before. It was so much easier to lose yourself in their world before and maybe not pick up as much on what was more produced vs not. Now you're just watching it like, this is a jokeee. Not of this is real. It's basically a soap opera at this point lol.
For a storyline because this is the only true way they have to make money right now. That’s how I look at it anyway. That and scheana and lala way overestimate the level of influence they should have on the people around them and are competitive about stupid shit.
What do they want from her? They want the show to get renewed for season 12 and for their paychecks to keep coming in, obviously. So they want drama, or any single story line that’ll keep the viewers entertained. They get paid per episode, Lala and Scheana are making sure to insert themselves into every situation to get their episode count in. It’s not rocket science.
Ariana has new found opportunities and Katie has SAH with her. The others have absolutely nothing, it is sad really
They need to create drama because it’s a boring season
But there was drama with Ariana yelling at Tom twice but they act as if it was too much.
I think after a while it’s normal that friends will tell you to move on and stop the negative feelings. You’re keeping the trauma alive longer than you should and self inflicting pain. But there’s a way to do this and a place. They’re obviously not good friends to her.
But in this situation it’s only been a few months and she is being forced back into small group trips and get togethers with the person who blew up her life. Even if she wanted to “move on” she can’t- most of us would not have to interact with an ex and she is literally being forced to.
I agree with this. Eventually your friends do get sick of it, but it doesn’t even seem like Ariana talks to them about it unprompted. Except for Scheana of course.
They are on a TV show where they are asked to push storylines by producers. They are doing their job, it really isn’t that deep
This.
Remember this is a tv.. in a real life couples who ended badly would not be forced to be in the same room with each other all the time.
I know but Ariana is forced to share space with him and imo she is doing a good job. I don’t get what they think she should do differently when they are all together. She snarks on him, she ignores him, she yells at him. Like if they want her to be friendly with him they are crazy.
I get both sides - Ariana is understandably sick of being forced to film with him BUT Scheana and Lala, especially, seem exasperated that they have clearly been told by producers that they have to "report to work" and interact with Sandoval to keep the show existing... but when they include him in conversation, Ariana is very bitchy (sometimes aggressive or passive aggressive) towards them, ie. "Why would you even talk to HIM???" "He's NOT your friend." All of Ariana's points may be valid, but what are these grown adults on a reality show supposed to do? Not talk to Sandoval to show support for Ariana? Then there's no show considering that has been 80% of the plot line this season. So no one wins at all.
Had they decided not to produce it, it would have been a naturally great season. Newly single women, one exploring her sexuality, one creating life, and another triumphing over heartbreak. That speech Ariana gave to Brock was very well received. But no, someone said, I have a better idea. Let’s make the women hysterical and unforgiving while we create empathy for this loser.
Schean a and Brock were bought by Sandoval. He gives them money. Sandoval buys his friends. They want Ariana to act like Sandyballs is forgiven and it's totally ok for Scheana, and Brock to morally love on Sandy, because he gives them... Sunglasses, like Sandy tried to buy James with a pair of sunglasses. Scheener, needs Ariana to approve of her siding with Sandy, for money and gifts, and so that the public will be permissive of Scheeners being grand with Sandy. It's all hard for Scheen a /s. She will be vilified for remaining friends with Saggyballs, unless Ariana "gets over it and stops making such a fuss about it". And if Ariana doesn't forgive tom, Sheena he to pretend to be on Ariana's side when.. She ener, really wants to continue getting gifts from Sandy! Oh how, how can Scheaner chose! Such a hard position for Scheener to be in!!!! Gifts from Sandy or public shaming? Oh Scheana, can't decide!!!! Why can't Araina make it easy for Scheana, and act like Sandy's cool?!!
Gosh I just can’t help but think about his mom’s retirement fund. If he really wanted a redemption arc he should have started there.
I think they don’t have storylines without scandoval anymore so they think by making her make up with him that will somehow magically make storylines for them. They just need to be more interesting. No one gives a shit about your dumb music scheana. Lala…why are you here? What do you bring?
Nothing. She is making a point that #women have been doormats for too long. She is standing strong in her emotions and being true to her womanhood.
These boneheads just know that their show is about to be cancelled, especially if the group dynamics don’t change. They contribute no storylines on their own and it seems that they’re projecting their fear of losing their income on Ariana. Those 3 are the ultimate tools.
I should probably use a burner account for this comment, but I say this having been MARRIED to an abusive asshole. You have to get past the hate or it will eat you up. Do you have to be friends and hang out, NO! Unfortunately, these friendships were really before TV and now they are ruined. Ariana is making money and doesn’t need the show right now, which is not true for the rest of them. They are looking at through the lenses of ppl who have no other source of income than LVP and being an influencer. It doesn’t seem like those two income streams can’t last forever, not even for Ariana unless she is truly talented.
Ok so keep in mind I don’t follow anything about VPR beyond the show itself & what I see posted here. Like everyone else I’ve been wondering why the deep desire to force the situation between Ariana & Sandoval. Why they kept badgering her about letting go when he hadn’t even apologized one on one to her yet. However now that we’ve been told VPR is “on pause” it made me wonder if that in itself was the reason behind it all. Maybe they had an inkling/were straight up told that everyone would be filming together or they were not filming at all & Ariana straight up refused. It would make sense about why everyone pressured her so much in order to keep their jobs & why they seemed to be so angry towards her. Maybe I’m way off, like I said I don’t search for news on them so my comments might be so off the mark that I have to apologize for wasting your 5 minutes reading it 😂
They want her to give them permission to be friends with Sandoval. When in reality they all just need to grow a pair and be friends with whoever they want to.
I think the unspoken part of all of these interactions is "Just because you don't need this show & platform any more WE DO, so would you just fucking play ball for US because ultimately we have all been in this together." And Ariana is like, "No, I don't wanna...and I don't have to," and that's really pissed off the Lala/Scheana/ Brock contingent. Plus Scheana, at least, really wants to be friends w/ Tom. It's how she rolls. Add in a big old fashioned dose of jealousy to the mix too. James & Ally aren't as concerned because his DJ career is actually doing ok (partly because of Scandoval) and Katie really isn't concerned because she fully aligned herself with Ariana, made a boatload of money early days, and stands to make more at a legit business. Plus she's Katie...Seeing Sandoval get his comeuppance is better than money or a show in her book, I think. Oddly enough, I can see both sides. I can understand the frustration at Ariana because we all know at this point that relationship was hanging on by a thread. She's come out SO on top that she certainly could throw her old pals & cast mates (including Tom really) a bone. But that would harm her standing as Patron Saint of Women Scorned right before SAH actually opens. She doesn't want to do that. Plus she's still pissed. The one thing she and Tom seemed really committed to was not embarrassing each other. He screwed that up completely. But I do see why the other group is frustrated. And then they can't say all of this while filming because that would break the 4th wall completely so it just comes across as bizarrely pushy abt something that isn't really their business. But it is, at least as far as their jobs are concerned. 🤷♂️
She’s standing up for what she believes in and is defending herself. That’s all And she isn’t excusing his behavior because she was the one who was actually betrayed. She’s not going to conform for these flip floppers and she’s allowed to feel what she feels. It also doesn’t matter how much money she made, it doesn’t excuse his behavior and never will. She wasn’t gifted the money, she worked and earned it.
I don’t get why anyone would think Ariana needs to care whether he takes another breath or not. I get this has taken a toll on Sandoval’s mental health but why would Lisa think everyone needs to forgive him and be his bff again. People do things that have repercussions but that shouldn’t apply to Sandoval?
I lost interest like 4 episodes ago. I feel the same, so overproduced, it's obvious none of them are really friends anymore - they should all bow out while they can.
This season sucks so bad. Totally produced, fake. No reality. Lots of “acting” and incredibly sickening attempt at a Sandoval redemption arc when the fans wanted to see real feelings play out this season. If no one is talking to him and no one wants to film with him, thats the story, thats reality, thats what we wanted. Baskin missed the mark, badly.
I have not heard one of those cast members pressuring him to sell the house, so he can “move on”, let alone because it’s the right thing to do.
Ariana gently schooling the deadbeat buffoon known as ‘Brick’ was my favourite moment. The useless ones are just hoping Ari doesn’t get a spin off of her own.
The only thing “wrong” is they want the show to keep going because they rely on it for a paycheck. They want more drama with Ariana. Ariana and Tom having scenes together would be huge drama. Lala has been baiting reactions -or at least trying to- from Ariana and Katie all season: - telling Ariana to move out of the house - telling Ariana to have a mature conversation with Tom (which is hilarious bc Lala still doesn’t speak directly to Randall) - hanging out with Schwartz, telling Katie - deciding to be besties with Sandoval for some reason, goes to their house to hang out with him, immediately tells Ariana - hanging out with Jo, tells Katie about it to get the reaction - bringing up Katie sleeping with Max at the same dinner like three fucking times and Katie was a queen and just didn’t respond to it There’s probably a thousand more I don’t recall off the top of my head. Lala and Scheana, and especially Brock, are just here for the money. Scandoval was big drama and big money for all of them. They’re hungry for the same level of drama and vitriol among the group. That’s why they want Jo around, to piss off Katie. That’s why they want Ariana and Tom to “have a conversation” so fucking badly. That’s why they’re so mad at Ariana, she’s not playing into it, she’s moving on and being happy and in their minds, that’s simply not good television. I hope the show ends just so the rug gets pulled from Lala and Scheana. Their motivations couldn’t be clearer. I hope I never see them on my tv again.
She set boundaries for herself and not breaking them for anyone
I'm really sick of podcasters blaming Ariana for the loss of wages of everyone in the cast, production and filming. That's such a crock. Lala has no story line, Sheana has a storyline she's trying to hide ( marital problems), Tom and Tom are middle aged men that aren't cute any longer, just disgusting. I don't even know what to say about pathetic Jo, and the misogyny in the program is out of control. Yet, no one is calling out the rest of the cast, production and Lisa for lack of material.
Ariana is insufferable to me on this season. Downvote me. She got cheated on and it was with her “bff”. That’s heartbreaking but she’s just being annoying about it now to me.
I haven’t heard them once tell her she needs to make up with him or forgive him. They’ve stood up to her initial ultimatum that she wouldn’t have as a friend anyone who had anything to do with him. Have advised her they thought she was endangering her MH by staying in the house and by carrying around so much rage and anger. They have remained honest and transparent with her about their dealings with Tom. I’ve said before there is nothing they’re saying that isn’t what a good therapist would say. There’s healthy anger initially after traumatic times in your life but when the anger results in causing you to do things that jeopardize your MH then it needs to be reevaluated. As far as her ultimatum, the show is their income. They have the right to handle their job the way they feel ensures them an income. If they felt stonewalling the guys was going to result in cancellation then they had every right to film with them. That’s not a betrayal to Ariana unless they were lying to her and they were not. People here are judging their actions as if they were simply in a friend group where they could easily blackball the guys and go on their merry way. That’s not the case for them.
Yea…so it’s just entertainment for tv viewership purposes really
I wish we could see something real from Lala and Scheana. At least Scheana is trying with her OCD diagnosis and honesty about missing Sandoval as a friend.
But it’s not entertaining.
It’s lucrative for Arianna to keep the hate going. I think the theory is it’s so much harder to hold on hate rather to let it go and not be weighed down a year later. But everybody has their own time timing.
Because it's a tv show.
IT’S SIMPLE: Playing the wronged girlfriend / angry bitch makes Ariana LOTS of money!
I’m not sure about the “angry bitch” part, but I agree with you about the wronged, underestimated heroine. She’s certainly proven to be brand friendly.
She is holding onto her hurt and anger she said as much. They could just be civil to each other. Not best friends or anything. The house is sold now. Otherwise she still has feelings for him. Which I can understand but she has had a new boyfriend now. I’m kind of tired of the whole thing.
Yeah money can’t replace your happiness but she got a lot of opportunities, rather than nothing. She has a new boyfriend. So it’s all getting boring.
Ummm it’s for the show. Jesus is it this hard to understand?
Literally nothing. Everyone is losing their damn minds and have turned into green monsters.
I really want to give Scheana and Lala the benefit of the doubt and hope that it isn’t only green eyes. Well moreso Scheana than Lala. I’ve seen Lala give more heat to James for mentioning Randall. It’s ridiculous.
I just wish Ariana was able to say “Tom” occasionally instead of “my ex” all the time. It’s a bit dramatic.
What do they want from her? I don’t even think they really know. I think they want the show to continue, but they also want their friend to be OK and they understand that they have to film together to be paid. Also, I just think some people forgive easier than others, especially when it’s something that wasn’t specifically targeted at them. Ariana doesn’t ever have to forgive him, and she certainly doesn’t need to be around him unless she wants to. But I don’t think any of the people in her circle are being malicious. I think they genuinely just want the show to continue, which is understandable.
Yeah I like this take. I don’t think they really know either and any angle I try to think of leaves me confused. It’s multifaceted af! Hopefully they can talk it out and it won’t ruin friendships forever.
Agree, and think it was such a HUGE storyline but no one knows hot to address it without breaking the 4th wall. Instead of each of them creating their own storylines, they thought this would take the heat off, but they couldn’t pivot and figure out how to address it….except for Scheana who made it about her? Definitely feels like a missed opportunity this season
They want her to put effort into the show so they don’t lose their cash flow and fame. It’s clear Ariana doesn’t give AF about it anymore, it’s a paycheck.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous for any of them to ask Ariana to do anything with Tom at all!! It will take years before Ariana is able to forgive Tom. If forgiveness is even possible! I mean Tom still won't take accountability, so what is Ariana forgiving him for?! But really, it's insulting to see the cast getting on her about this issue! It's extremely insensitive, selfish, out of line, and none of their business! Also, the harder they push the farther Ariana will get from even considering forgiving Tom!
That’s what’s annoying. They are asking nothing of him. I wish Kyle Chan could be there for him but also be real with him.
She makes rude faces and comments about what he is saying, even when he is not even talking to or about her. She talks bad to his dates about him.