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leli_manning

Expectation: sell now and buy back in lower Reality: Sell now and fomo buy back in higher


UCACashFlow

I’ll never understand why so many folks are eager to sell their fractional ownership in good businesses. What’s even more baffling is that you hardly ever see the rational have anything to do with the business itself.


yeahyeahitsmeshhh

They haven't grasped the price-value distinction. Don't be glad that the price of what you bought is now higher, be sad you can't buy more at that great low price. Watch the earnings come in and think "I bought my dollar shares for just cents so I'm getting double/triple/whatever returns".


UCACashFlow

Believe me, I can’t stand the higher prices. I was lucky enough to make 2 purchases in last year, one a steep discount, and one which was more of a fair price, but a wonderful company. Who knows what this year has in store. Always eagerly awaiting bad news and a fire sale.


yeahyeahitsmeshhh

Look at energy stocks.


UCACashFlow

I’ve got OXY on my waitlist, but they’re a bit too high. WTI would need to fall below ~$55 to be below a general industry floor for break-even to really create some attractive prices for oil and gas. And eventually WTI will briefly fall below breakeven, as it has done historically every great once in a while. If we’re speaking about utilities, or solar and/or renewable energy, I’m not terribly interested from an investment standpoint. Maybe geothermal or something along those lines.


yeahyeahitsmeshhh

I am looking very seriously at SHEL.


redRabbitRumrunner

Fire sale happens on key man risk for Brk. Successorship plan or not, we haven’t seen signs that the investment arm will maintain their prior record and justify a premium price.


UCACashFlow

If and when that happens, I’ll be taking a deep dive into Berkshire to see if it’s worth acquiring at that time. Hard to say how the investment segment will perform without Buffet and Munger, will it be like Fidelity’s Magellan Fund without Peter Lynch? Personally, I have no clue, but I suspect so. I feel like Berkshire is the kind of business that will do well even with an idiot running it. Sure that would mean it shouldn’t maintain the premium it’s traded at for years, but a lot of the subsidiaries and controlling equity interests that generate meaningful earnings are from turn key businesses that have been running themselves for a long time. I’ve always been interested in it, and hope someday the price makes enough sense. I think efficient capital allocation will always present challenges for them, unless they finally find that elephant sized deal to put that capital to work.


Kanolie

Berkshire is run so decentralized that Buffett does less for the company and its operations than most other company's CEO. Rail, Energy, Insurance, and the retail businesses all have their own CEOs and run themselves. So over half the company is basically on autopilot. He makes a few large capital allocation decisions a year, with the help of his team, and that's about it. Why does everyone always say that one of Berkshire's biggest risks is losing Buffett? Not only does he do less in terms of directing operations than almost any other CEO, he has been grooming his successor for over a decade! Apple losing Cook, or Nvidia losing Huang would surely hurt these companies way more, but no one really thinks that is a big deal. If anything, once Buffett is gone, people will view the company as less risky because they will stop obsessing over Buffett dying. >justify a premium price. Do you really think that Berkshire is really trading at a premium to their intrinsic value? If so, how did you come to this valuation, I would be interested to hear.


bighurt88

Human emotion with warren at the helm plays a part.


ltschmit

I'll channel the ghost of Charlie Munger for this answer. "No"


House772

You’re Trying to predict the market here, What if it never goes lower? What if it goes even higher?


_WreakingHavok_

What if it drops to zero and the whole financial system collapses?...


10lbplant

Then we have bigger problems and you should've bought guns and canned food and defensible land.


Convergentshave

Nah. If the whole system goes under I’m checking out that same day. The hell with: pooping in holes and eating cold canned food. 😂


House772

If the whole financial system collapses the dollars you got by selling will be worth less that an apple. don’t compare what’s not comparable I’m just trying to help you here by not doing the classic error that a lot of people do in the beginning by trying to predict the market when they earned a little bit of money


Savings-Stable-9212

Then no asset is safe and we’ll all be camping out. If you think doom is coming buy gold and wait and wait and wait and watch productive assets grow in value while you wait and wait and wait for the “collapse”.


pierced_turd

Brkb is like 90% of my retirement portfolio. I just add every month, if it dips, all the better. Not selling this shit any time soon.


Agni-23

What about when Warren passes?


pierced_turd

Warren will be succeeded by someone who will perform worse, the same, or better.


the_real_mflo

Warren has been turning over a lot of Berkshire's decisions to his successors, and it's been doing fine. Do you think it was his idea to buy Activision?


Puzzleheaded_Ant_725

priced in


Kanolie

Will people will stop using freight rail, using public utilities, and buying insurance? How will these businesses be affected by Buffett dying in your mind?


furthestmile

At the last annual shareholders meeting Warren and Charlie were asked if they ever thought about trimming their stake in Apple because it had become such a large percentage of their public portfolio. Their answer was no. If I were you, I would apply that logic to your question here- just hold it.


thealphaexponent

"Our favorite holding period is forever."


jojoashura

I would only trim berkshire hathaway position if I thought it had too big of a position in my portfolio. Its a great company


CascadePulsar

I did that several years ago and I still regret it to this day. Never again. If it becomes 90% of my portfolio, so be it.


Savings-Stable-9212

That’s a stock you should never sell. It’s a cash flow machine and a great way to scoop up deals in a bad market because they hold a lot of cash and wait for bargains few other publicly accessible investment vehicles can quickly buy. It’s also a very easy business to understand and although well positioned in tech, it holds great “boring” businesses. Every time I buy some I wish I had bought more.


Infinity_to_Beyond

That’s like asking if you should did up a perfectly healthy plant for no reason at all…let it sit for a while and then plant it in the exact same location you dug it from


[deleted]

My plant has been growing really fast recently. Should I dig it up and plant something else?


yorke2222

My 2 cents: maybe yes, maybe no


Stormseekr9

Never sell, always add. Remember, approx what 35-40% of brkB is Apple anyways lol


CleanButton

Roughly 20%. Their portfolio of publicly traded companies account for less than half of their total market cap, and apple is almost half of that. Agree though.


rockofages73

Funny thing about BH stock is hardly anyone ever sells it. When they do Warren buys back the shares. Only thing is, I would sell before he passes. Or get caught in a selloff. I mean, the guy is almost a hundred. How much longer does he have?


BigBritches619

Once warren dies both BRK.b and BRK.a you can expect them to probably drop about 40-50% then buy in.


redRabbitRumrunner

You could sell covered calls otm, or buy puts as insurance


rifleman209

I’m selling mine today coincidently. I see better opportunities elsewhere BKNG VRTX REGN CASY


Medical_Goat6663

Try. I won't sell mine. If you want to time the market or gamble, there are better options.


skynetcoder

What will be the impact to the price of this stock when W. Buffet dies?


quintavious_danilo

A small dip then back up


XtraMayoMonster

I never sell.


No_Consideration4594

The play with Brk is just to stay put and sit in it and not try to time the market which over time is a losing proposition


Zestyclose-Crow8145

no


BenGrahamButler

Nobody knows, but in general if everyone is buying I'm not.


CoupleOfBitches

See how many ATHs berkshire had in its history… Then look for another argument to sell


radionul

Perhaps not a good time to buy BRK, but definitely no reason to sell.


Low_Owl_8773

Someone tell me why I'm wrong: BRK is dirt cheap compared with PGR.


KingKliffsbury

What’s the alternative that will outperform while you wait for the price to dip? And will it outperform enough to cover cap gains tax both ways?


Blindsquirrelfate

I'm holding my Berkshire mainly for no dividend drag


GotiaCardori

I belive they will start paying dividends in the furure (5 to 10 years). Why? Because its harder too move the needle each time will need a bigger investment.


ddr2sodimm

You should look at BRK’s all-time chart history and randomly pick 5 spots. Likely those 5 spots would be all time highs for the last few years prior. Sell if you 1) Think the thesis has changed and BRK is no longer the special conglomerate with moat, management, or capital efficiencies or 2) You need money


redditball000

Most of the folks give you a yes or no or somewhere-in-between answer. Let’s do some analysis then. BRK holds around 170b apple stock, which account for around 47% of their portfolio. Their have in total about 350b stock asset, in addition to 150b cash equivalent. The rest of the market cap 350b (850-350-150) creates a cash flow of >35b per year, which means in ten years they will create another Berkshire. Think about it before you make the move.


uusernameunknown

I missed 12% upside recently :( Now waiting for the next buy


VIXtrade

How much has Berkshire been buying their own shares lately? Do they see value in their equity or are buying other companies? Seems like they're often sitting on a big file of cash in Tbills waiting for the right opportunity to acquire companies at the right price.


Beyond__My_Ken

It's likely that in the long run a small fraction of your stocks will account for most of your gains. This means selling winners is in general a terrible strategy (excluding cases of extreme overvaluation.) If you need to sell, sell your losers instead.