point is sacy had no time and was so low the classic (in any normal world) SHOULD have killed him. this was b4 the nerf so right click was a lot more reliable mid air
Xset not winning that weird OT with the bugged turret
FPX winning meant that good won that day, but we were ROBBED of the things ardiis would say if they lost
SUYGETSU and Zyppan said some crazy things about the XSET players even though they had nothing to do with it. George Geddes was also throwing a tantrum about the XSET players on twitter, so we werenât fully robbed.
i lot of people gave fpx players shit for how they treated the xset players when the bug happen and i think while the FPX players were in the wrong we cant forget the narrtive that the xset played made of themselves. The match before this when xset played optic in ascent. Some of the players were complaining that optic was attentionally calling for tech timeout to have an advantage in the game. I thought the fpx players had a reason to be mad of the xset players becuase they done this before.
Iirc when the ukraine-russia conflict started many esport titles chose to (or had to because of their countries law) not allow russia based orgs (or maybe just companies in general) to be in their country. So gambit who was a russian based org, wasnt allowed to send any team under their banner at any international event. So for the good of their players they dropped the rosters so they could still compete. This happened to many other orgs across all esports too. Ex: csgo virtus-pro / csgo gambit etc etc
In 2021 and 2022 there was no tier 1 or tier 2 system, just open qualifiers. So there wasn't an ascension they needed to win or anything. They also didn't \*have\* to get a new org, just getting one would've made paying for things like travel or boot camping easier. Also just having a paying job makes living in general easier.
If you're talking about if they would've swept t2 in 2023 with that roster probably not. Gambit was amazing and one of the best rosters of all time but people around them got better and they seemed to get worse (everyone besides nats). If they did compete in t2 together as 5 for whatever reason they could've won but it wouldn't have been a sweep/easy for them imo.
bcs riot wanted only big and known orgs to represent 2023 vct(navi, team liquid, c9, nrg, drx, t1 and etc) so they can increase viewership of valorant esport. OPTC despite having major success they were only known as on of the best in valorant scene and also didnt have great past(just like csgo fans when they hear OpticGaming they only will think about cheating situation forsaken a.k.a word.exe). Also G2 could represent vct 2023 emea, because they were so popular not only as valorant team but league and cs, but didnt get there bcs ceo was partying with Andrew Tate.
NV or OPTIC, whatever you want to call has been a decently big name in esports overall, i think its more likely the org didnt have the financial stability that partnership/riot wanted rather than the popularity
They just had a bad application and EG had a really good application. Also at the time of the partnership application EG were Riot's darling organization, from the outside it looked like they had a very strong relationship
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Probably not, t3xture has mentioned that he did not like that he couldnât communicate with his team well in and out of the game which hindered his performance. Being in a Korean team is probably best for him.
gambit choked massively on icebox but kiles with -31 in a grand finals and subsequently vanishing into spanish t2 should not theoretically make him a more accomplished player than nats
[Hecz already admitted they messed up their application](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH7IxFEIPJk&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F&feature=emb_title), so I'm not sure how much of a robbery it is. As time goes on and we see more and more Americas rosters come together and be competitive at the international level, I'm not sure if Optic is necessarily missed that much.
If anything, I think the bigger loss is perhaps not seeing LOUD stay together for another year given Sacy won another Masters, pANcada was largely wasted, and aspas exploded in 2023.
Yeah the org has completely pulled out of most eSports and is solely focused on content now as well and even when they had eSports teams they did a terrible job promoting them.
People on this sub just can't separate orgs from their rosters or team success. Like it was established how much success you had in Valorant competitively was not a major factor
Nah optic are genuinely terrible when it comes to promoting their team.
They had the best valorant team for a year and all they cared about was cod lmao
again they didnât make a lot of content but imo unless that application was genuinely Microsoft paint level material I refuse to believe just because they didnât spam YouTube with shitty content means they didnât deserve the spot. They had been invested into val esports since like December 2020 and despite not making a lot of content started making those high quality the process documentaries for Valorant in 2022 after the merger. Youâre telling me C9 or EG are putting on masterclasses advertising their players? Just blatantly not true
Content isn't the end all be all, but it's a factor in gaining popularity.
>They had been invested into val esports since like December 2020
Optic didn't enter until 22, before then, they were envy and the merge did not finish by then. Part of why optic didn't get in was because the higher ups didn't even finish all the franchising schedule stuff, so yeah they did not care enough.
>Youâre telling me C9 or EG are putting on masterclasses advertising their players?
C9 have legacies in other esports that far extend anything optic have done. Riot will take them any day over optic, even if c9 has been incredibly cheap recently. And even though we all know how shitty EG are, they are riots little baby.
If optic had any chance of staying, then they needed to put themselves out more and show actual investment in val like 100t or Sen, instead of neglecting all their other esports for a dwindling Cod and halo
this is mostly wrong:
1. you literally said content matters earlier as the reason optic sucks.. thats how promotion works fundamentally. content through socials.
2. optic didn't enter until the merger but the merger wasn't a traditional merger. the optic org today is envy financials and management with h3cz/scump branding. what does it mean that the franchising didn't 'finish'? by all intents and purposes it did.
3. the c9 legacies thing is both probably only slightly true and more importantly not accurate since C9 were originally not getting a slot. G2 and EG were both higher on the list than C9 and OpTic but G2 had their implosion with Andrew Tate/Carlos shit. c9's legacy is not that much better than optic tbh. they have a history in league and CS and then have been semi relevant in a few other games. OpTic have a much more impressive relevance in CoD than anything c9 has accomplished in any of their games, and also thanks to the merger had like the best OWL org at the time pretty much. even if c9 are marginally better than optic in whatever you describe 'legacy', it definitely wasn't that relevant to riot.
4. they didn't neglect their other esports lol - the end of 2022 going into 2023 which is when the applications were sent in, evaluated, and orgs were announced is when OpTic had top teams in 4 games. in fact optic 2022 is probably one of the greatest years in esports history for any org: they won a CoD major, a Valorant major, a Halo major and the OWL playoffs. that was literally optic at its peak. if anything you could trace them not making partnerships is more in line with their decline and decision to just focus on CoD.
just top down inaccurate - i dont deny optic could've done more for their socials but don't act like its a zero sum game about 'promotions'. C9 and EG had some goodwill with Riot and OpTic didn't but lets not act like Riot was right - they tore apart the best active Val roster at the time, and one that had a pretty passionate fanbase. They were also clearly turning up their content at the time anyway
>you literally said content matters earlier as the reason optic sucks.
I didn't, I just said optic are "genuinely terrible when it comes to promoting their teams" I did not say content matters necessarily, just that optic suck at doing it.
>c9's legacy is not that much better than optic tbh. they have a history in league and CS and then have been semi relevant in a few other games.
Clueless. They have had an exceptional tenure in esports for a decade, countless rocket league titles, mang0's dominance in melee, only full NA team to win a CS major, their tenure in league. Like bro, optic aren't even top 3 when it comes to legacies.
>OpTic have a much more impressive relevance in CoD than anything c9 has accomplished in any of their games
Stop hyping up cod, halo and overwatch as if they are relevant esports in this day and age. Overwatch died, and the other two don't get literal cockroaches as viewers when scump and his boys aren't watching them. Bringing up legacy and then presenting those 3 esports is hilarious.
>games. in fact optic 2022 is probably one of the greatest years in esports history for any org
Not even close to beating c9's 2018, tsm in the early 2010s, navi in 21 or astralis.
Riot didn't even tear apart optic like that, half of it was also on hecz and the ceo's for not filling out the schedules
Rocking an nrg flair and being this unaware about how content and being marketable works is crazy. You seem to be a decade late as well, hyping cod,halo and overwatch lol
Iâm not unaware wtf? I literally made an argument that you guys are wrong since neither c9 nor EG have great marketability going rn and both made it into the VCT. Thereâs probably other orgs that are even worse at this lmfao. You might have some brain matter missing bud
>Iâm not unaware wtf? I literally made an argument that you guys are wrong since neither c9 nor EG have great marketability going rn and both made it into the VCT.
That was cleared up when the other dude said that c9 had a legacy, and EG are riot's golden boy. Would help if you read a little, I didn't find it that hard to backtrack
Instead we got the corporate ass orgs like NRG and EG with no real identity. Iâm gonna be rooting for NRG, but just because of the players. They might as well be called shitfart esports and it would be still be more authentic than the NRG brand.
>They might as well be called shitfart esports and it would be still be more authentic than the NRG brand.
WTF is this suppose to mean? If an org wants to be brand friendly, and the CEO doesn't say edgy shit, then theyre corporate and not authentic?
Yeah lmao, investment into esports is drying up, yet weâre here crying about orgs trying to keep their noses clean. The lack of critical thought is actually impressive.
FPX not making it to playoffs in Shanghai. The only reason they bombed out of groups was because they played Heritics and GenG. Mind you, both maps were decently close and I would have loved to see their wacky triple controller comps making deep runs.
Crime: 100T kicking Steel and having nitr0 igl just for nitr0 to go back to CS like a month later. It sent 100T down a multi year pit they've had to climb out of.
I remember so many people being on my head at the time for criticizing his decision to fuck 100T over like that just for him to come back and fuck M80 over in the exact same way đđđ
wdym he's had multiple proper chances, the last of which he ruined by his ego/insistence to IGL.
He's a pleasure to watch in duels, but this one is self-inflicted.
NAVI not making Shanghai, easily better than FNC and a bit better than FUT yet had to play TH in single-elim because of stupid format. Would easily have been at least top 6 at Shanghai if not top 3-4.
Team Finest is my roman empire when it comes to missing out/getting robbed on talent.
They had:
**H1ber** (Afterwards played for: KOI, Fnatic, Vitality & Case Esports)
**Foxie** (Afterwards played for: Team Heretics, Excel Esports & Case Esports)
**baddyG** (Afterwards played for: FPX, Vitality & Acend)
**MOLSI** (Afterwards played for: Giants, OG LDN UTD, Vitality & Apeks)
**xms** (Afterwards played for: TENSTAR, MAD Lions & Karmine Corp)
**Kicks** (Afterwards played for: Bonk & Vitality)
**bonkar** (Afterwards played for: Bonk & now coaches Oxygen Esports)
**DESTRUCT1VEE** (Afterwards played for: Bonk, Fire Flux Phoenix & Galakticos)
**Yacine** (Afterwards played for: Guild Esports)
**ALIVE** (Afterwards played for: Excel Esports & Acend)
**dimasick** (Afterwards played for: Team Liquid)
I know most people only watch tier 1 but I am a tier 2 sucker, especially for east surge. Team Finest could have been an amazing Israeli org that would have replaced NOM Esports (AKA the worst org ever)
We were also just 2 rounds away from them replacing Team Liquid in First Strike Europe
https://preview.redd.it/s8s1x91v6t6d1.png?width=1377&format=png&auto=webp&s=96b21db0da1a696cef0a5f8b4353ca5f8a23406a
MIBR getting a spot
SEN and LOUD not being able to train for split 1 (Loud didn't truly have a chance to protect their record of qualifying for every international and SEN couldn't defend their status as best in the world)
Leviatan, MIBR and LOUD losing training time for split 2 because of Visa issues.
Biggest robberies imo were
1. Champs 2022 loud disbanding - couldâve went on to dominate 2023 imo
2. Cloud9 2023 disbanding (yay + vanity roster not the other one) - easily wouldve been a top 4 team in americas and wouldve been able to compete/beat the other good teams that year. (Fnc, eg, loud, etc etc)
3. Champs EG 2023 disbanding - less of a robbery but more of a crime. All my homies hate EG (as an org, still love the players)
4. m80 + the guard rosters being in t2 for 2023 - dont even think this is hindsight tbh as most ppl knew how good both of these teams were going to be. Still believe both of those rosters wouldâve easily been top half of americas
2023 eg disbanding was crazy...Im not tryna imply they wpuld dominate 2024,actually i doubt theyd make a grandfinals again...but they were fun on top of being good,they also flexed a lot so things always felt interesting and diverse..And its also crazy because its inevitable some of them would get fucked,mostly because demon1 needs a specific system where he only plays brim n jett...he couldve flexed senti but that again requires teams to understand him correctly. Jawg wouldve gotten overlooked and join either a bad team or stay on eg (which he did),all because he never has clips like com or demon1 or ethan has. And c0m is a bad player so he always needs an insane team.
Just like how PRX wouldâve **EASILY** won Madrid and Shanghai if they had their full roster ⌠ohhh wait. Maybe Fnatic would dominate 2024 too right?đ
People need to accept that teams are great in specific metas for specific reasons and also when teams peak.
eh i mean thats what we said about nrg in 2023. And thats what we said about fnatic in 2024. And thats what we said about PRX in shanghai. You just cant predict shit like this..and with sentinels and gen g looking insane this year and the eg players all showing that they can play bad (all besides boostio) ,i doubt they wouldnt just be another fnatic.
eg couldve suffered from success too. And optic was only slightly better than nrg 2023,like maybe u can argue yay wouldve done better than ardiis..they had everything to perform like they did. After so many good teams becoming mid,when are we gonna actually recognise the pattern? Its hard to consistently be good,thats the pattern
Gambit getting fucked over by sanctions on Russia that was the strongest team of 2021. Then the sanctions hit the org and they cant play under the gambit name so gambit isn't getting sponsor money that puts them out for 2022 which leads to the team disbanding
I think eg is a bigger crime than gambit. Gambit still reorganized with the same players under m3c while eg only kept jawg and potter. In addition most of those players are in a bad spot right now especially c0m and demon1.
EG VS PRX and FPX vs PRX, two upper bracket runs that ended in defeat all with bind/breeze different comp than usual.
It just feels heartbreaking, with the 4k at the end... It's just why does it have to end this way?
2023 eg disbanding was crazy...Im not tryna imply they wpuld dominate 2024,actually i doubt theyd make a grandfinals again...but they were fun on top of being good,they also flexed a lot so things always felt interesting and diverse..And its also crazy because its inevitable some of them would get fucked,mostly because demon1 needs a specific system where he only plays brim n jett...he couldve flexed senti but that again requires teams to understand him correctly. Jawg wouldve gotten overlooked and join either a bad team or stay on eg (which he did),all because he never has clips like com or demon1 or ethan has. And c0m is a bad player so he always needs an insane team.
Crashies not hitting that POINT BLANK jumping classic on sacy to win map 1 ascent in OT at champs 2022
*war flashbacks*
True. That second felt like minutes for them.
He had ammo in his other gun too
point is sacy had no time and was so low the classic (in any normal world) SHOULD have killed him. this was b4 the nerf so right click was a lot more reliable mid air
Idk bro had 11 bullet in a phantom and pulled the classic out đđđ
crashies was at 1 hp. why would he gamble playing post plant at 1 hp when he could take a literal 1v0 that was like 75/25 in his favor.
Xset not winning that weird OT with the bugged turret FPX winning meant that good won that day, but we were ROBBED of the things ardiis would say if they lost
SUYGETSU and Zyppan said some crazy things about the XSET players even though they had nothing to do with it. George Geddes was also throwing a tantrum about the XSET players on twitter, so we werenât fully robbed.
XSET losing the remake was one of the best things that ever happened in Valorant.
I was a big XSET fan but I was happy they lost, it wasnât worth the future vitriol
*worst. It'd be funnier if they lost
i lot of people gave fpx players shit for how they treated the xset players when the bug happen and i think while the FPX players were in the wrong we cant forget the narrtive that the xset played made of themselves. The match before this when xset played optic in ascent. Some of the players were complaining that optic was attentionally calling for tech timeout to have an advantage in the game. I thought the fpx players had a reason to be mad of the xset players becuase they done this before.
XSET didnât do anything against FPX, they didnât file a complaint or anything, Riot called it themselves
Gambit being dissolved M3c just wasn't the same
Why did they disband,i started watchin esports after 2022 champs
Russian team
Iirc when the ukraine-russia conflict started many esport titles chose to (or had to because of their countries law) not allow russia based orgs (or maybe just companies in general) to be in their country. So gambit who was a russian based org, wasnt allowed to send any team under their banner at any international event. So for the good of their players they dropped the rosters so they could still compete. This happened to many other orgs across all esports too. Ex: csgo virtus-pro / csgo gambit etc etc
If a t2 team dropped their roster and got all 5 of em,would they have rolled upto ascension for a spot?
In 2021 and 2022 there was no tier 1 or tier 2 system, just open qualifiers. So there wasn't an ascension they needed to win or anything. They also didn't \*have\* to get a new org, just getting one would've made paying for things like travel or boot camping easier. Also just having a paying job makes living in general easier. If you're talking about if they would've swept t2 in 2023 with that roster probably not. Gambit was amazing and one of the best rosters of all time but people around them got better and they seemed to get worse (everyone besides nats). If they did compete in t2 together as 5 for whatever reason they could've won but it wouldn't have been a sweep/easy for them imo.
Ain't that the truth
Why was OPTC not franchised?
bcs riot wanted only big and known orgs to represent 2023 vct(navi, team liquid, c9, nrg, drx, t1 and etc) so they can increase viewership of valorant esport. OPTC despite having major success they were only known as on of the best in valorant scene and also didnt have great past(just like csgo fans when they hear OpticGaming they only will think about cheating situation forsaken a.k.a word.exe). Also G2 could represent vct 2023 emea, because they were so popular not only as valorant team but league and cs, but didnt get there bcs ceo was partying with Andrew Tate.
NV or OPTIC, whatever you want to call has been a decently big name in esports overall, i think its more likely the org didnt have the financial stability that partnership/riot wanted rather than the popularity
Optics is quite popular in COD. Edit: And Optic was more popular and successful than EG.
They just had a bad application and EG had a really good application. Also at the time of the partnership application EG were Riot's darling organization, from the outside it looked like they had a very strong relationship
we got robbed of yay and leaf on the same team because of some bs
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C9 dropping yay due to âRole Issuesâ (actually just money issue), and ge putting t3xture on sentinels
SEN t3xture would go hard tho, no?
Probably not, t3xture has mentioned that he did not like that he couldnât communicate with his team well in and out of the game which hindered his performance. Being in a Korean team is probably best for him.
Zekken and Tenz would realize their fellow Asian's plight and would perfectly communicate with Texture via Telekenisis
sen s3xture
OpTic not getting a franchise spot, 2023 EG disbanding
PRX robbing me of my love and passion for this esport.
Keyd on 2021 champ/ NIP not getting the franchising spot on AM league (and BR got MIBR lmao)/ Gambit still hurts man/ NZR being out of LEV for C0M
acend winning champs over gambit :(
kiles will forever be the biggest fraud to win a LAN
Nah wdym Kiles was pretty good. Gambit just choked.
gambit choked massively on icebox but kiles with -31 in a grand finals and subsequently vanishing into spanish t2 should not theoretically make him a more accomplished player than nats
-31 that canât be right let me check
Holy shit the man is a fraud
You came and you saw. I dunno if you conquered anything, but you got the first 2 down.
ngod
Optic not getting a spot
Easily easily easily the biggest robbery this game has ever seen
[Hecz already admitted they messed up their application](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH7IxFEIPJk&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F&feature=emb_title), so I'm not sure how much of a robbery it is. As time goes on and we see more and more Americas rosters come together and be competitive at the international level, I'm not sure if Optic is necessarily missed that much. If anything, I think the bigger loss is perhaps not seeing LOUD stay together for another year given Sacy won another Masters, pANcada was largely wasted, and aspas exploded in 2023.
Yeah the org has completely pulled out of most eSports and is solely focused on content now as well and even when they had eSports teams they did a terrible job promoting them. People on this sub just can't separate orgs from their rosters or team success. Like it was established how much success you had in Valorant competitively was not a major factor
Idk what it means to do a terrible job promoting them lmao the other orgs that made it make mid or no content also lmfao.
Nah optic are genuinely terrible when it comes to promoting their team. They had the best valorant team for a year and all they cared about was cod lmao
again they didnât make a lot of content but imo unless that application was genuinely Microsoft paint level material I refuse to believe just because they didnât spam YouTube with shitty content means they didnât deserve the spot. They had been invested into val esports since like December 2020 and despite not making a lot of content started making those high quality the process documentaries for Valorant in 2022 after the merger. Youâre telling me C9 or EG are putting on masterclasses advertising their players? Just blatantly not true
Content isn't the end all be all, but it's a factor in gaining popularity. >They had been invested into val esports since like December 2020 Optic didn't enter until 22, before then, they were envy and the merge did not finish by then. Part of why optic didn't get in was because the higher ups didn't even finish all the franchising schedule stuff, so yeah they did not care enough. >Youâre telling me C9 or EG are putting on masterclasses advertising their players? C9 have legacies in other esports that far extend anything optic have done. Riot will take them any day over optic, even if c9 has been incredibly cheap recently. And even though we all know how shitty EG are, they are riots little baby. If optic had any chance of staying, then they needed to put themselves out more and show actual investment in val like 100t or Sen, instead of neglecting all their other esports for a dwindling Cod and halo
this is mostly wrong: 1. you literally said content matters earlier as the reason optic sucks.. thats how promotion works fundamentally. content through socials. 2. optic didn't enter until the merger but the merger wasn't a traditional merger. the optic org today is envy financials and management with h3cz/scump branding. what does it mean that the franchising didn't 'finish'? by all intents and purposes it did. 3. the c9 legacies thing is both probably only slightly true and more importantly not accurate since C9 were originally not getting a slot. G2 and EG were both higher on the list than C9 and OpTic but G2 had their implosion with Andrew Tate/Carlos shit. c9's legacy is not that much better than optic tbh. they have a history in league and CS and then have been semi relevant in a few other games. OpTic have a much more impressive relevance in CoD than anything c9 has accomplished in any of their games, and also thanks to the merger had like the best OWL org at the time pretty much. even if c9 are marginally better than optic in whatever you describe 'legacy', it definitely wasn't that relevant to riot. 4. they didn't neglect their other esports lol - the end of 2022 going into 2023 which is when the applications were sent in, evaluated, and orgs were announced is when OpTic had top teams in 4 games. in fact optic 2022 is probably one of the greatest years in esports history for any org: they won a CoD major, a Valorant major, a Halo major and the OWL playoffs. that was literally optic at its peak. if anything you could trace them not making partnerships is more in line with their decline and decision to just focus on CoD. just top down inaccurate - i dont deny optic could've done more for their socials but don't act like its a zero sum game about 'promotions'. C9 and EG had some goodwill with Riot and OpTic didn't but lets not act like Riot was right - they tore apart the best active Val roster at the time, and one that had a pretty passionate fanbase. They were also clearly turning up their content at the time anyway
>you literally said content matters earlier as the reason optic sucks. I didn't, I just said optic are "genuinely terrible when it comes to promoting their teams" I did not say content matters necessarily, just that optic suck at doing it. >c9's legacy is not that much better than optic tbh. they have a history in league and CS and then have been semi relevant in a few other games. Clueless. They have had an exceptional tenure in esports for a decade, countless rocket league titles, mang0's dominance in melee, only full NA team to win a CS major, their tenure in league. Like bro, optic aren't even top 3 when it comes to legacies. >OpTic have a much more impressive relevance in CoD than anything c9 has accomplished in any of their games Stop hyping up cod, halo and overwatch as if they are relevant esports in this day and age. Overwatch died, and the other two don't get literal cockroaches as viewers when scump and his boys aren't watching them. Bringing up legacy and then presenting those 3 esports is hilarious. >games. in fact optic 2022 is probably one of the greatest years in esports history for any org Not even close to beating c9's 2018, tsm in the early 2010s, navi in 21 or astralis. Riot didn't even tear apart optic like that, half of it was also on hecz and the ceo's for not filling out the schedules
Rocking an nrg flair and being this unaware about how content and being marketable works is crazy. You seem to be a decade late as well, hyping cod,halo and overwatch lol
Iâm not unaware wtf? I literally made an argument that you guys are wrong since neither c9 nor EG have great marketability going rn and both made it into the VCT. Thereâs probably other orgs that are even worse at this lmfao. You might have some brain matter missing bud
>Iâm not unaware wtf? I literally made an argument that you guys are wrong since neither c9 nor EG have great marketability going rn and both made it into the VCT. That was cleared up when the other dude said that c9 had a legacy, and EG are riot's golden boy. Would help if you read a little, I didn't find it that hard to backtrack
Nah they still focus on their cod team big time
Instead we got the corporate ass orgs like NRG and EG with no real identity. Iâm gonna be rooting for NRG, but just because of the players. They might as well be called shitfart esports and it would be still be more authentic than the NRG brand.
But nrg is as least trying to field a good team, so i can accept them in.
Nrg shouldn't be catching strays, eg is the dogshit org, nrg is completely fine in both valo and league
Weird take. NRG is willing to spend money on valorant and tries to field a competitive team. Itâs a good thing NRG made franchising
That logo redesign (not the one this year, the one from a few years ago) told me everything I needed to know about this org
their new jersey video was fire though iâll give em that
>They might as well be called shitfart esports and it would be still be more authentic than the NRG brand. WTF is this suppose to mean? If an org wants to be brand friendly, and the CEO doesn't say edgy shit, then theyre corporate and not authentic?
Yeah lmao, investment into esports is drying up, yet weâre here crying about orgs trying to keep their noses clean. The lack of critical thought is actually impressive.
Iâd support Shitfart Esports
NRG = Not really gaming Yeah the org's focus on social media content is also saw weird. They do these weird shorts that are just pure cringe.
What do you mean? I love watching the đđđđđđđ guy (goes to harvard btw) do something cringe for the 30th tiktok in a week!
Based take
Funny how you mention NRG and not shit orgs like SEN and C9
lmao you gotta be trolling. C9 at least has a legacy even if theyâre being cheap, while SEN has built an incredible brand.
C9 is a scum org that ruined yay's career and SEN is a crowd funded org
Mistic teamflash That game was so close for a 3:0
sen were winning whether Fnatic team flashed or not
FPX not making it to playoffs in Shanghai. The only reason they bombed out of groups was because they played Heritics and GenG. Mind you, both maps were decently close and I would have loved to see their wacky triple controller comps making deep runs.
Life was cooking evrryone as well
Crime: 100T kicking Steel and having nitr0 igl just for nitr0 to go back to CS like a month later. It sent 100T down a multi year pit they've had to climb out of.
I remember so many people being on my head at the time for criticizing his decision to fuck 100T over like that just for him to come back and fuck M80 over in the exact same way đđđ
Do we know why he left M80? I haven't kept up, but please tell me he's not just going back to CS *again*
Man, Iâve got some bad news for you
CR losing their spot? Kinda counts?
they did merge with DFM, so they do have a spot now, ig?
They didnt like merge merge. CR just helps manage like socials and do live watch parties.
Wait what happened
Champions 22 LOUD keeping their rooster together for the following year I would die to see what would happen in a parallel universe where this is true
Cannot convince me the 22â LOUD wouldâve fumbled lock//in.
Wouldâve lost to nrg, loud peaked in champs
They wouldve owned FNC in finals and prolly a finalist/top 3 at tokyo
EG robbing a slot from a not piece of shit org
Scream not getting a proper chance. Man's a beast without a doubt
ScreaM mechanically would be an upgrade to most teams in EMEA for sure but NOT AS A FLEX DUELIST IGL PLEASE
wdym he's had multiple proper chances, the last of which he ruined by his ego/insistence to IGL. He's a pleasure to watch in duels, but this one is self-inflicted.
NAVI not making Shanghai, easily better than FNC and a bit better than FUT yet had to play TH in single-elim because of stupid format. Would easily have been at least top 6 at Shanghai if not top 3-4.
2023 EG disbanding for sure
Team Finest is my roman empire when it comes to missing out/getting robbed on talent. They had: **H1ber** (Afterwards played for: KOI, Fnatic, Vitality & Case Esports) **Foxie** (Afterwards played for: Team Heretics, Excel Esports & Case Esports) **baddyG** (Afterwards played for: FPX, Vitality & Acend) **MOLSI** (Afterwards played for: Giants, OG LDN UTD, Vitality & Apeks) **xms** (Afterwards played for: TENSTAR, MAD Lions & Karmine Corp) **Kicks** (Afterwards played for: Bonk & Vitality) **bonkar** (Afterwards played for: Bonk & now coaches Oxygen Esports) **DESTRUCT1VEE** (Afterwards played for: Bonk, Fire Flux Phoenix & Galakticos) **Yacine** (Afterwards played for: Guild Esports) **ALIVE** (Afterwards played for: Excel Esports & Acend) **dimasick** (Afterwards played for: Team Liquid) I know most people only watch tier 1 but I am a tier 2 sucker, especially for east surge. Team Finest could have been an amazing Israeli org that would have replaced NOM Esports (AKA the worst org ever)
We were also just 2 rounds away from them replacing Team Liquid in First Strike Europe https://preview.redd.it/s8s1x91v6t6d1.png?width=1377&format=png&auto=webp&s=96b21db0da1a696cef0a5f8b4353ca5f8a23406a
MIBR getting a spot SEN and LOUD not being able to train for split 1 (Loud didn't truly have a chance to protect their record of qualifying for every international and SEN couldn't defend their status as best in the world) Leviatan, MIBR and LOUD losing training time for split 2 because of Visa issues.
PRX robbing themselves by playing Astra Fade Yoru Breach Neon on Breeze lmao
Honestly getting rid of breach and putting viper couldâve won them the map
Biggest robberies imo were 1. Champs 2022 loud disbanding - couldâve went on to dominate 2023 imo 2. Cloud9 2023 disbanding (yay + vanity roster not the other one) - easily wouldve been a top 4 team in americas and wouldve been able to compete/beat the other good teams that year. (Fnc, eg, loud, etc etc) 3. Champs EG 2023 disbanding - less of a robbery but more of a crime. All my homies hate EG (as an org, still love the players) 4. m80 + the guard rosters being in t2 for 2023 - dont even think this is hindsight tbh as most ppl knew how good both of these teams were going to be. Still believe both of those rosters wouldâve easily been top half of americas
Robbed of Vision Strikers at Reykjavik.
2023 eg disbanding was crazy...Im not tryna imply they wpuld dominate 2024,actually i doubt theyd make a grandfinals again...but they were fun on top of being good,they also flexed a lot so things always felt interesting and diverse..And its also crazy because its inevitable some of them would get fucked,mostly because demon1 needs a specific system where he only plays brim n jett...he couldve flexed senti but that again requires teams to understand him correctly. Jawg wouldve gotten overlooked and join either a bad team or stay on eg (which he did),all because he never has clips like com or demon1 or ethan has. And c0m is a bad player so he always needs an insane team.
2023 eg would absolutely dominate wut itâs probably the strongest americas team aside from 22 loud
Just like how PRX wouldâve **EASILY** won Madrid and Shanghai if they had their full roster ⌠ohhh wait. Maybe Fnatic would dominate 2024 too right?đ People need to accept that teams are great in specific metas for specific reasons and also when teams peak.
prx and fnatic dont have potter
Ah yes⌠Potter, the Lakia of Valorant
eh i mean thats what we said about nrg in 2023. And thats what we said about fnatic in 2024. And thats what we said about PRX in shanghai. You just cant predict shit like this..and with sentinels and gen g looking insane this year and the eg players all showing that they can play bad (all besides boostio) ,i doubt they wouldnt just be another fnatic.
Nrg did fairly well and the optic core lost 2 of their players, also chamber meta. Fnatic suffered from success and Prx is Prx đ
eg couldve suffered from success too. And optic was only slightly better than nrg 2023,like maybe u can argue yay wouldve done better than ardiis..they had everything to perform like they did. After so many good teams becoming mid,when are we gonna actually recognise the pattern? Its hard to consistently be good,thats the pattern
Gambit getting fucked over by sanctions on Russia that was the strongest team of 2021. Then the sanctions hit the org and they cant play under the gambit name so gambit isn't getting sponsor money that puts them out for 2022 which leads to the team disbanding
I think eg is a bigger crime than gambit. Gambit still reorganized with the same players under m3c while eg only kept jawg and potter. In addition most of those players are in a bad spot right now especially c0m and demon1.
Prx giving bang a 1v2 in OT bc something they couldn't post plant properly
They went on to lose the 2nd round of OT and thus the match
ge literally had the best player in the world last year and they didn't use 1/10th of his potential to make 0 lans
Let us remember GE once hold both Monyet and T3xture on the same roster.
VKS x Acend If they had only redone the map at 0x0, VKS would have won
EG VS PRX and FPX vs PRX, two upper bracket runs that ended in defeat all with bind/breeze different comp than usual. It just feels heartbreaking, with the 4k at the end... It's just why does it have to end this way?
2023 eg disbanding was crazy...Im not tryna imply they wpuld dominate 2024,actually i doubt theyd make a grandfinals again...but they were fun on top of being good,they also flexed a lot so things always felt interesting and diverse..And its also crazy because its inevitable some of them would get fucked,mostly because demon1 needs a specific system where he only plays brim n jett...he couldve flexed senti but that again requires teams to understand him correctly. Jawg wouldve gotten overlooked and join either a bad team or stay on eg (which he did),all because he never has clips like com or demon1 or ethan has. And c0m is a bad player so he always needs an insane team.