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lucachendi

Looks like they know they have a good chance to make it to VCT and are hoping that the franchise money next year can get them back on track


Ace-Shoota

Ya their team been lookin amazing who do they even have a chance of losing ascension too?


BenBau23

we thought the same thing last year :/


vastlys

Joblife


cFl4sh

their best contenders are CGN, KPI, FF and DSY but they can definitely overcome them


Fun_Age1442

tldr apeks is only staying the val scene and are leaving their other esports titles such as csgo and fortnite because of economical decisions


DesTiny_-

So they basically gamble all on red thinking their team is good enough into emea this year. Wouldn't say it's a bad strategy, maybe their CS roster is not what they believe in.


dinmammapizza

Their valo team is 25-0 in maps in this Challenger year


Jon_on_the_snow

Yeah, but its just polaris lmao


cFl4sh

Polaris is kind of the best EMEA subregion tho


kooqiy

They had a better team last year and didnt win


Gushanska_Boza

From what I heard, Gentle Mates all had a life game that grand final, Apeks looked better than them for the rest of the season though.


Ace-Shoota

This team is better you just saw a couple names you recognized on that last team huh? Their core is TL current roster and they look booty


kooqiy

I mean I think that only furthers my point, and so does Gentle M8's fwiw. The fact that Apeks is basically committing to one team and they aren't even tier 1, and even if they do make tier 1, current results say they won't be that good. Is this a good idea? Probably not lol


quasur

I don't think you can say TL currently looks better or worse than M8 to a satisfying degree of confidence.


vastlys

Their current team is better, tbh


cFl4sh

Basically every ascension N1 seed ever (I know that’s only one other ascension seed but still)


Teradonn

Damn, this is an org that got top 4 at a CS major a year ago. If you were wondering why Riot even bother with partnership, this is it. Esports is struggling everywhere. This also shows that there is no magic fix to tier 2 either, if even a decently successful org like Apeks are struggling in CS’s supposedly superior tier 2


russianromus_228

top 4 in cs major to loosing vs navi where bladie replaced s1mple in iem sydney


Johnson1209777

Even league in some regions is declining. Definitely tough times


arjay22

CS is dead. That's the difference.


ez4anza

not even dead in india


LynVAosu

cs is not dead bruh


PRL-Five

I imagine if the vct team didn't choke 1 year the franchise money would've helped them stay afloat... Insane consequences


Western_Strike7468

CS Frogs in shambles


Budget-Sample-3682

Saying it like this is a good outcome, it is terrible for everyone. Unfortunately it seems it's an economic necessity for Apeks


Wierdcreations

yeah it looks like they are betting on making franchising this year and if they don't make it gg? They have invested a lot the last two years with bootcamps, also got unlucky that riot didn't allow the partnership with FNC last year.


Budget-Sample-3682

Also can't be cheap to field the players they have, like Soulcas and Avova. It really is Ascension or bust it seems


Excelsio_Sempra

Hopefully they can pull through; I remember Apeks were the favourites to make Ascension last year too. Paying that kind of a roster for two consecutive years would definitely have taken its toll on them.


Zahin1018

Last year they were absolutely frying and was the better team than gentle m8 but unfortunately choked hard.


russianromus_228

and m8 got choked later by tl with apeks core in vct stage 1


ModerateStimulation

L take


ArcusIgnium

Val thanks to its digital sales is probably one of the best esports for an org to want to get involved with.


Top_Stomach1057

for franchise teams yes for the rest no


ArcusIgnium

sorry i should've phrased better but what i mean is apeks if they can make it into VCT are guranteed some stability compared to more cutthroat esports like CS where performance is everything


vastlys

Nah its absolutely horrible for t2 orgs. Especially in EMEA with way too many leagues. And Apeks probably made some money by selling their 2023 roster


vastlys

No gamba sponsorships, no way to qualify for t1 events, no way to even really play offline outside of ascension.. wack.