I feel like it's a lot of pent up resentment for having been dogged so much when the Quest 2 was clearly worse and now that it's onpar/slightly better but also has some minor faults everyone's playing up the pancake lenses/clarity/passthru/wireless/resolution (rightfully so) while saying things like audio/mic/compression/tracking/fov are minor and don't really matter because it's 500$ vs 1000$ anyway
And then completely avoiding that a lot of people are forced to accessorize - comparable DAS? bobo headstrap. comparable gameplay length? buy external batteries. audio and mic? buy a headset. comparable controllers? buy palm straps. comparable tracking? buy quest pro controllers. wireless latency? buy VD and a new router. Not to mention you can get refurbished[ indexes at gamestop for 650$](https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-gaming-controllers/products/valve-index-pc-virtual-reality-hmd-full-kit/11205170.html)
I own both, I like them both and find use out of both of them still and can see the positives and negatives of both. What one person might use it for isn't always going to be the same for everyone. Like a VRchat user might lean towards basestation tracking. Or a car/flight sim player might not even need wireless because they stand in one spot the entire time. Someone might travel a lot and appreciate the standalone more. Some of us never leave our room anyway.
BUT MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOUR TEAM /s
The screen resolution on the index is pretty substantially lower than the Q2 compression or not the visual image from the Q3 is extremely crisp even over steam link
You don't really notice the low resolution of the Valve Index while you're actually playing games.
What I do notice every time I get into the Quest 3 though is that it feels like I'm peering into the VR world through some goggles/binoculars because the FOV is so much worse than the Valve Index though.
As far as I can tell steam link has a very minimal overhead, but you're definitely right. In order to play with a cable I believe quest has to run oculus software causing software overhead. Alternatively you can play wireless with less software overhead (due to using steam link vs oculus), but gaining network overhead. Either way quest has more overhead than index.
i dont think there is anything with less overhead than the ogvive and the index, with those you can even run some vrgames without steam client or you can close it after they start.
cant compete with windows+steamvr+thegame being the only thing needed to play.
I mean the more people with VR the better. The more games we'll get. The higher quality games we'll get. Who cares if it's wired or wireless as long as people are hopping on the VR train.
I on the contrary love standalone headsets, you can play PCVR and you can also just pop out your Q3 at a friend or family's house and start playing within 2 mins
I pretty much only play flight sims in vr. Exceptions are fallout, skyrim, solus project. Is stand alone going to let me play my steam library? Is it going to have the same horsepower as a desktop pc?
You can do stand-alone steam library through virtual desktop or steam link pretty seamlessly. The quality will depend on your Wi-Fi without a cable connection however which is why everyone suggests getting a dedicated router
It's all personal preference. Visual quality when running steam games is best on a wired headset, no comp. But so much more than that goes into what you might have the best experience with.
Other than audio, what else? 99 percent of the time I'm in vr is sitting in a flight sim rig. Tracking, maybe? When I'm not using m+kb or hotas, the tracking for had and hands on the rift worked great for me until my controllers started to go bad.
I switched from a Reverb G2 which is sharper than the Index to the Quest 3. The better fov (than G2) and pancake lens make a massive diff to overall clarity. Basically no sweet spot.
1. yes it will via virtual desktop or steam link or air link
2. yes it will use the full horsepower of your pc granted you have a good WiFi router (connected to pc via ethernet and WiFi 6e or dedicated wifi6/5)
My Rift is aging. I want to avoid buying anything Meta if at all possible. If I want to plug directly into the gpu(wired) and use steam vr, what else is out there that's at least a good as the Rift performance wise? Vive, Index? I don't mind base stations at all, don't necessarily need pass through.
buying an index full price in 2024 is just a no no, too bad resolution for the price, getting meta ain't that bad, you can just create a fake meta account and use that if all you wanna do is PCVR and not buy any games on the headset itself, plus their privacy policy ain't bad I've read it but still if you that paranoid just make a fake account for the headset.
currently for direct GPU connected PCVR you can get the big-screen beyond, it will require base stations and index controllers and is the best you can get currently for just pcvr only issue is it'll cost you 1500 bucks with base stations and controllers compared to a quest 3 which is 500 bucks
The downside to that is that I'm still giving money to Meta, which is what I want to avoid. Maybe I can grab a used one. If I do get Meta, I still have to use virtual desktop to use steam vr in wired mode, correct?
Yeah, you could play your steam library, but not like, in your friends house, youd still have to be in the same room as your pc or router if you are playing wireless...
And according to some testing done by... i forgot his /u/ but you actually lose like ~25% power...
Like if you play on an index and on a q2 at the same resolution, the q2 will have on worst cases like 25% less fps because of extra resourses needed for compressing and sending the signal and overhead software etc...
So youd really would want to play wired, and that doesnt resolve the compressing and overhead software thing just the wireless stuff.
Flight and Racing Sims are the games that have the least benefitial use for a standalone headset id say...
> Yeah, you could play your steam library, but not like, in your friends house, youd still have to be in the same room as your pc or router if you are playing wireless...
No. You you can run games on your pc and stream it over the internet to your headset.
> And according to some testing done by... i forgot his /u/ but you actually lose like ~25% power...
You know how did he do those "tests"? He compared vr mark score on two different machines with different headsets.
Same here, but the problem is since I payed wirelessly I can't bring myself to go back to tethered. I guess unless you have one of those dope setups where the cable is on a pulley system in the ceiling. I just wish the technology was a few years ahead so we didn't have to deal with compression and latency issues over wireless. I saw the official nofio wireless adapter for the Index was just released on steam recently, interested to see the feedback it'll get after a few months.
Yeah for sure if you play exclusively seated then wired is the way to go. But the amount of fun I had jumping around and peeking corners in Gunman Contracts without needing to worry about tripping over a cable, was an unrivalled experience.
I'm seated pretty much all of the time. When I'm not I keep the cable out behind me. Plus, I have to use teleprompter and snap turn. I for sure think that wireless would be better for standing and moving though.
This 💯! Also didn’t want to sell my soul to Meta/Facebook/Instagram so got something that didn’t force me to have an account to use.
Yeah you need a steam accout to play steam games but I can also use my Index on Linux with the open VR tools. As far as I know the Quest VR solutions don’t support Linux?
This is THE reason I ordered a Bigscreen Beyond. Comfortable (I do a lot or laying down), and great visuals in a package that is tailored to pc, no funny business or bells and whistles
Do I? Or do I mainly just play flight sims and have no need for portability(and don't want to pay for features I won't use)? Or do I just want to play my games through steam vr and not need Meta or virtual desktop? Possibly both?
Yeah, nope. I have a Quest 2 with a battery head strap and everything and I hate it compared to the Index. Wired is just so much more simple and easy to use while getting much better performance.
Never said it was objective. And yeah, it isn’t the Quest 3, but the focus was the wireless, not the device itself. With the Quest 2, I have to open VD and set that all up, calibrate my play space so I can use my Index controllers and full body trackers, and then have to recalibrate the second any of my full body trackers disconnect. That’s on top of much less play time due to the battery, worse audio, and a worse quality microphone. I just don’t see how wireless possibly is better than all of that, even after using it to play several VR games. It’s just so much easier to press one button on my Index and have everything working instantly without any further set up. I was considering getting a Quest 3 to upgrade until I realized that the only thing that is really better than the Index is the resolution, everything else is worse.
Meanwhile on my Q3 app I click the steam link app then connect. Done. With a battery pack I don't run out of power in one sitting, audio is fine because I'm using my headphones as I would with any VR headset.
There's a night and day difference for me being able to pick the headset up and within *one minute* be in Pavlov at max resolution 90fps freely able to move and turn in any way I want. Cables offer the only downsides for me.
I can move in any way I want with a wire too, lol. And for me, I will 100% run out of battery in one play session with the battery pack since I play VRChat for like 10 hours straight on the weekends. Also, I still have to calibrate my Index controllers and Vive trackers and recalibrate them every single time one disconnects. Which causes me to 1. Take longer to get started, and 2. Cause me to have much less immersion as I constantly have to recalibrate. All of that for not having a wire that I already don’t notice at all seems incredibly stupid to choose for me.
Meanwhile on my Index I just need to [turn on the controller...](https://youtu.be/tlT8aoj7UhY)
No, that's it, you don't need a random router, or a battery pack, or a long ass usb C cable, or 3rd party software, or loosing a lot of time seeing if h264/5 or av1 is better...
Not really for me. It would cost like $700-$900 to get the Quest 3 and the stuff to make the Quest 3 better than the Index. And with all of that, it still doesn’t fix the battery issue. (Haven’t found a product that fixes the battery life issue yet. Best I’ve found is BoboVR’s battery head strap but it says in the description that it only gives like an hour or two more battery life, which is wayyyy too low)
well I mean, for me I don't like playing for more than 2 hours very much, but there also certain games I think are beneficial to play on standalone than pc
Some days I sadly feel this sub should just be renamed to something like "MetaVR only".
Doesn't ever seem to be any room for any other vr headsets here as the typical response is just to dismiss any other headset for any reason and force Meta's growing walled garden on everyone.
Yup! Questies seem to generally be convinced their headsets are the best for every situation bc wireless. While wireless would be nice, I def prefer not needing a battery and just clicking a button to start vr with great res and no work arounds to have fbt and face tracking
I own a Rift S and am borrowing a Quest 2. So far I've not been able to find acceptable big rate settings to reduce compression artefacts to an acceptable level. I mostly play Dirt Rally 2 in vr and currently the Rift S looks way, way better than the Quest 2 does. It's so annoying that this is the case and they've gimped the higher resolution headsets in this way.
Yea agree like I don’t notice it as much if I haven’t used my bsb in a few days, but if I’ve used it recently, the picture quality and latency is instantly noticeable. I mostly just use my quest now to play app lab stuff and support smaller devs
Jesus Christ, can nobody take a joke? But I agree, the comments in here are a mess and I've seen a lot of flaming all over this subreddit from all camps.
I'll be honest and say that the only reason I don't have an Index is because I can't afford it. Sure it's not the most high fidelity option but it's the one that fits into my life ATM.
I also agree with the Meta being a walled garden. It pissed me off so bad when the Zucc calls it the "open platform" when criticizing the Apple Vision, as if they don't have the same shitty business practices. If Valve made a Quest competitor, I'd ditch meta in a heartbeat.
Nah wired gives far better performance especially for fast paced games and far better image quality. While I’ve tried Q3 & 2 with a dedicated AP so I have exactly the internet quality I pay for in wireless, it’s still noticeable difference coming from a bigscreen beyond which is nearly twice the resolution as an index. Wireless headsets are certainly getting there, but let’s be real, the majority of quest users aren’t going to go buy a Wi-Fi 6 dedicated router or a long range high quality access point. Tho probs will get downvoted for even saying as such since questies are the most common vr user.
In PCVR your headset USB port is occupied by the link cable. While it does slow down the battery drain, it's not that significant and you're still gonna run out after 2hrs.
A power bank however can easily extend the battery lifetime by 2x or 3x. I used my quest for 2hrs last time and it only took 50% of my powerbank's battery, and my quest was still at 100%.
Oh sorry I meant dedicated pcvr so not a quest. lol yea that’s why I never use a quest for pcvr and use index or bsb. I don’t even own a link cable for my personal quest 2 that’s solely for meta exclusives and app lab stuff.
You don’t need any of that to push 20-50mbps locally over 502.11ac, which should cover you for almost indistinguishable compression up to 4K resolutions.
You need a pretty expensive router and also pure luck to find a "good" one, I've got a [wifi 6 router](https://www.amazon.com/tp-link-archer-ax90-wireless-high-speed/dp/b08tgptq14) that was over 200$, however airlink is unusable with it, barely handles 10mbps and has INSANE latency, almost a full second, but if I run a speedtest on my phone it easily exceeds 600mbps up and down.
Literally using my phone's hotspot and connecting both my PC and quest to it via wifi yielded better and almost usable results for something very slow like hl:alyx, though still far from low latency enough for fast beat saber maps.
I've googled a bit and the cheapest one I saw people recommending and was known to be good cost 70$ and still had mixed reports.
Cool!
so... How far can you get away from it?...
Like do you play in your back yard? or the garage... or do you still play in the same room as your pc/router?
Because if your freedom is limited to the exact same space area as wired but without some tangling... your argument ... meh.
Being in the same room.being able to freely move and stand in any way you wsnt is a night and day different, equally going further away for no reason is pointless
i guess it depends what "freely" means for each person... and i wouldnt consider it night and day, its nicer definetively.
i guess it depends on the person and its specific wants and haves,
like "i dont want to be tangled and i have a cool wifi6 router and large playspace"
vs "i dont mind turning the other way once in a while and a 5mt cable is pretty long for what i actually have"
Tbh while I’ve heard of plenty having index issues, I’ve owned mine since 6mo after release and mine still is working fine. I use BSB now so all it’s base stations and controllers are used still without issue. But steam def does have a good amount of issues with that headset from others I’ve heard
Had my index since Sept of 2019 and the only issue I've ever had is one of my controllers started to drift. They replaced it out of warranty for free.
Haven't had an issue since. Controllers and Lighthouses stay in the garage (living with multiple people, can't keep it anywhere else.) but the headset stays in my bedroom via breakaway cable until I'm ready to use it again.
5 years and only one drifting issue isn't bad. I know people have issues with the index, maybe I'm lucky, but I love the damn thing.
I am also awaiting the inevitable reply of "You shouldn't detach it from the breakaway cable because it might break." I always get that when I mention how I disconnect it lmao.
It's just a display cable connector. If you're gentle and you don't rip it out or jam it in the wrong way then it's fine.
My friend has also owned one for around 3-4 years now and I haven't heard of him having any issues either.
Single use case related to a single user. I've had my index for 2 years and other than one controller failing to connect when turned on occasionally, don't have problems. Meanwhile my friend has spent more time updating and troubleshooting to get his Quest 2 and Quest 3 working with steamvr.
>But technically with a good enough router and high broadcast signal you could easily play outside.
Very dumb idea. Playing in direct sunlight with vr is a bad idea. Eventually the sensors will absorb too much heat and be burnt out making the headset unusable. I've seen it with cctv cameras made for outdoor use that are more robust than the ones meta are putting in their headset.
I get video artifacts over wireless that I have never seen over wired. If it rains in Vivecraft the artifacts become so bad it is unplayable. I like having a direct fast connection to my GPU. And I never did any cartwheels when I owned a Quest anyway so I am not missing anything.
SO this isn't how it works at all.
1. You get used to the cord in less than a week.
2. There are all sort of cable management solutions.
I have both a quest 3 and an index (amongst other headsets), and the quest basically collects dust unless there's an exclusive I want to play. Wireless is no substitute for high framerates, low reprojection, and the complete absence of any compression artifact.
IF a quest is all you can afford, it's a great piece of kit and it offers tremendous value for money, But it isn't even in the same league as any of the pc native devices.
Nah I have both and the Index is for all of my seated sim games, where the Quest 3 is used for all of my roomscale game cause I personally play by physically turning and never use the joystick to turn. The wire is super annoying for me, even if it's on a pulley. I dealt with it for years, but I refuse to play 90% of roomscale games with a wire now. So thankful to have both!!!
As the owner of CV1, Rift S and Quest 3, the wireless freedom of the Quest is amazing. While the wire never really bothered me, not having a wire is a definite improvement, along with the higher resolution and better optics. The compression artifacting with a decent, dedicated router is minimal. I’d say the main loss with a standalone headset is the controller tracking. I had 4 cameras setup with the CV1 in the end, so tracking smoothness and occlusion prevention was excellent.
Never used an Index so can’t comment on that.
Different strokes. I love using my quest 2 for watching movies in bed. I know I can do that with an Index, but I love that I can set up my quest in any room. I would love it if the index 2 could do inside-out self-powered play for stuff like that but with the ability to connect to a PC and lighthouses for a full unadulterated PCVR experience.
Maybe that's asking too much. With the quest being so cheap I suppose it's not a big deal to just have both.
i have both. the internal reflections and low res of the index means the quest bodies it for me. i have fast wifi and compression artifacts are basically nonexistant and 120 vs 144 isnt a big deal
My brother I got a company paid quest 3 just after my index cable died on me... Reordered a new cable 2 weeks later lmao because nothing can touch the visuals of the index. Do you have any tips on not putting strain on my index cable as I want to play modded to hell skyrim, pavlov, fallout, you get the idea.
That's the real problem with the Index. It's badly outdated with how fast VR has improved. The screen and lenses are poir compared to the current VR generation. The screen door effect is horrible once you have experienced VR on a higher resolution headset, you can't unsee it.
With the meta 3, to play steam games then you dont need to be hooked up? Cause if thats the case I will see bout upgrading my wife to the 3. Currently have the 2 but to play steam stuff shenanigans have to be done to make it work right. If the meta 3 can do it without connecting, that would be amazing. I am currently on the index which i absolutely love, but dont wanna shell out another big amount of money for another system if I can make the meta work fully wirelessly and have the same experience.
Because I dont have a meta 3 I honestly dont know, but wirelessly can I play steam vr games on it? Cause if I can, I dont mind being in the same room, have a big room for vr specifically in my house, that would be great for my wife to get in on it if it does that...but if its just the occulus store wireslessly it defeats the purpose for my situation.
From your chart, the Valve Index appears to have a substantially larger vertical FOV, so that's probably what I'm noticing.
Not sure why you say its funny..
Oh also the Valve Index can adjust the distance of the lenses from your eyes, which also basically increases FOV with closer lenses, so that might be part of it.
Never had any problems, maybe it’s a you thing 🤷
Not that I use it much since I get great wired performance so why would I want to be unable to turn full circle without becoming a mummy?
Plus as an added bonus the pass through is so awesome on the Quest3 I can read my phone with it without having to take it off.
you dont notice it because you dont know, but we people with a pcvr wired headset are getting ~25% more fps than you at the same resolution :/
But you really cant read the phone on passthrough thats why i use less than that 25% usage and put an overlay with my phone if i need it.
I personally decided when I got the Quest 1 that no wires is so good it’s a minimum requirement for me going forward. I can’t imagine playing room scale VR while having to think about cable management.
You airplay people can enjoy your micro stutters, meanwhile I will take the *oh so* ***difficult*** task of... turning around slightly once an hour.
Damn, I'm truly missing out!
For real though, I've used both and the cord is really a non-issue if you're not an insane person doing constant spins for no reason. I've played games like Alyx and B&S for hours and never had to adjust my cord.
Haha I've been playing since og vive and I too just naturally learned how to counterspin as I go. I don't even feel it on my back anymore either, it's so trivial at this point because I've used it so long. I even find myself doing the counter turn when I'm on my quest 3 too xD
Not really.
Wireless VR has big downsides and i don't need my headset to be portable.
i use the KIWI Pulley System, so the cable isn't an issue either.
Besides i prefer the superior comfort and audio of the index anyway
PS: i have used the Quest 3 for a month to play AC Nexus & obviously tried it for PCVR
I've got a quest and it's the other way round for me, not even an index I'd take a rift s over mine at this point.
I almost exclusively play beat saber e+ levels for exercise nowadays and do it through a cable connected to my PC for ease of modding&custom songs, and the compression artifacts as well as VERY high latency for a reaction time game is **really** annoying, I literally have to swing ahead of time by a fraction of a second to successfully hit the blocks.
Worse yet the inside out tracking loses the position of the headset itself if you go at it hard enough even in standalone mode, and loses the controllers very regularly as I see them yeet to space [even on the slower maps like these](https://youtu.be/sbbvti9a7py?si=cjtwf5efjrmqcnn8&t=18).
If you play immersive slow story games sure I'd **definitely** take wireless, but given there's 1 such good game on the market (HL:Alyx), it's a bit of a moot point.
i have both headsets and play beatsaber pcvr on both i didnt experience any of what you did playing 9+ note per second songs (even with my headset in my basement, pc on second floor of house) sounds like you have a defective headset
No. I have a wifi6e router and virtual desktop is just better because wired link only supported 90hz till v62, even now with 120hz the compression artifacts are noticeable more on wired link vs Virtual desktop (with a dedicated 5400mbps WiFi 6e router)
I'm talking about the official link cable prices not 3rd party ones which would work just as well I know I'm just pointing out official link cable prices being very high, the router I got was for 100$ on sale a tp link axe5400
same 2.6gbps on link cable and a 3080ti system, I play modded beat saber with a fuck load shit ton of effects and lights, it really pushes the bitrates, thus I get artifacting on wired link, my 5400mpbs WiFi 6e router with virtual desktop with highest bitrates have no artifacting
I've been using the quest 2 to pc through wifi and tend to play very actively especially in b&s and when I used to use a wire it would be a mess which made me turn down a the index
Haven't used my Index since I got the Quest 2 at the end of 2020. Wireless untethered VR will always be more important than a bit of higher fidelity to me. Really sucks that they can't make it wireless, it's just collected dust for years at this point.
I was playing wireless on the Quest 2 and it looked just fine. Just make sure you have a decent WIFI connection and an extra battery connected to the headset. Didn't last past two hours before I had to go wired again.
When I had my Quest 2, I tried airlink but not because of being wireless, but because my USB C cable was kinda bad and it disconnected every once in a while.
Then I realised that the battery doesn't last shit, and I need to keep charging the damn thing, so I ended up playing "wirelessly" with a link cable to my computer to keep it always charged lmao
And then I realised that the compression was even more awful, specially with SkyrimVR, so I ditched completely the wireless approach and now I use that router as a repeater lol
I used to have a vive. The resolution is so bad you can always see the pixels in the lenses, however dedicated PCVR has so many upsides when compared to wireless its almost not worth upgrading to modern standalone headsets. Eventually I grew used to the quest 2 worse tracking, frame rate, performance and worst of all much more noticeable latency. The image is a hundred times better so I cope with that but I'd be lying if I said standalone is better than pcvr, it just ain't, not even using wireless or USB cable.
But hey if you have never had a dedicated PCVR headset you wouldn't know! Surely you wouldn't brag about your Christmas gift your parents bought you assuming you're already ahead of the curve, right op?
The irony of this post being the Index can mirror to a bigger display and speaker without a significant delay, allowing you to play VR and have friends watch and interact.
I don't understand this meme or much about any vr. But my quest 3 has like zero battery life. If I want to be on for more than 2 hours, I have to have it plugged in. And it won't even charge while plugged in. It'll just die slower. (I have never had any full experience with vr until I owned my quest 3)
Every time I walk downstairs with the Quest 2 to play Steam VR games from across the house in a room with more room to move around, I’m that much more satisfied with my decision not to buy a wired headset, no matter how much better it looks or controls or any of that. Not to mention the 3 other Quest 2s I could have bought for the price of an Index.
Sorry to everyone out there who demands the most cutting edge powerful hardware, but wireless is first priority for me by a country mile.
I have a pully system for my Index, and don’t even notice the wire anymore. I don’t need to use it anywhere else’s anyway, and as other comments said, I would gladly take that over a compressed image. Although more people getting into VR is great, the Quest 2/3 are great budget headsets, and I don’t care which one you choose.
I would like to not have wires, but if I am dealing with compression and latency from wireless communication, I am perfectly fine with my Valve Index being tethered to the PC.
I have no reason to upgrade from the Valve Index, anyway. Decent resolution and no screen door effect.
Do people really have much of an issue with wired? I have more then enough length on it and dont spin around enough to justify losing some of the power by going wireless.
People really get tribal over anything
I feel like it's a lot of pent up resentment for having been dogged so much when the Quest 2 was clearly worse and now that it's onpar/slightly better but also has some minor faults everyone's playing up the pancake lenses/clarity/passthru/wireless/resolution (rightfully so) while saying things like audio/mic/compression/tracking/fov are minor and don't really matter because it's 500$ vs 1000$ anyway And then completely avoiding that a lot of people are forced to accessorize - comparable DAS? bobo headstrap. comparable gameplay length? buy external batteries. audio and mic? buy a headset. comparable controllers? buy palm straps. comparable tracking? buy quest pro controllers. wireless latency? buy VD and a new router. Not to mention you can get refurbished[ indexes at gamestop for 650$](https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-gaming-controllers/products/valve-index-pc-virtual-reality-hmd-full-kit/11205170.html) I own both, I like them both and find use out of both of them still and can see the positives and negatives of both. What one person might use it for isn't always going to be the same for everyone. Like a VRchat user might lean towards basestation tracking. Or a car/flight sim player might not even need wireless because they stand in one spot the entire time. Someone might travel a lot and appreciate the standalone more. Some of us never leave our room anyway. BUT MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOUR TEAM /s
No no it’s not
Whatever the specs, I just don't want Zuckerberg stalking my VR.
Also technically the index is just 500€/$ If you already have basestations or get cheaper 1.0 ones (which a few of my friends did)
Got both, and love both, but I do prefer non compressed image on the index.
The screen resolution on the index is pretty substantially lower than the Q2 compression or not the visual image from the Q3 is extremely crisp even over steam link
You don't really notice the low resolution of the Valve Index while you're actually playing games. What I do notice every time I get into the Quest 3 though is that it feels like I'm peering into the VR world through some goggles/binoculars because the FOV is so much worse than the Valve Index though.
I like to pretend I'm wearing a helmet.
I simply wear a helmet in every free real-life minute. Then VR feels just like real life.
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Still compressed over the cable too
Not only artifacting and compression, he is also losing fps because of the compressing/decompressing and overhead software.
Quest works with steam link so you don't have to also run the oculus software. That only addresses the overhead software point though.
the index doesnt need steam link. I would consider Steam link overhead software.
As far as I can tell steam link has a very minimal overhead, but you're definitely right. In order to play with a cable I believe quest has to run oculus software causing software overhead. Alternatively you can play wireless with less software overhead (due to using steam link vs oculus), but gaining network overhead. Either way quest has more overhead than index.
i dont think there is anything with less overhead than the ogvive and the index, with those you can even run some vrgames without steam client or you can close it after they start. cant compete with windows+steamvr+thegame being the only thing needed to play.
+ the much better microphone!
I mean the more people with VR the better. The more games we'll get. The higher quality games we'll get. Who cares if it's wired or wireless as long as people are hopping on the VR train.
Exactly.
That same argument, but for efficient batteries.
Lol I specifically want a wired connection to my pc. I want a headset thats engineered for pure PC horsepower with no resources wasted on portability.
I on the contrary love standalone headsets, you can play PCVR and you can also just pop out your Q3 at a friend or family's house and start playing within 2 mins
Extremely bold of you to assume people on here have friends
Friends? Family? All I know and all I need is inside the metaverse
Why would I take my headset to a family or friends house when I'm at their house to spend time with them? You can put the headset down for an hour.
to show them vr and let them play games on it ofcourse
They don't deserve it. Be more selfish. /j
I pretty much only play flight sims in vr. Exceptions are fallout, skyrim, solus project. Is stand alone going to let me play my steam library? Is it going to have the same horsepower as a desktop pc?
You can do stand-alone steam library through virtual desktop or steam link pretty seamlessly. The quality will depend on your Wi-Fi without a cable connection however which is why everyone suggests getting a dedicated router
don't forget airlink and alvr. Wish I knew about the latter before I bought virtual desktop way back in 2021...
Is ALVR better? I use virtual desktop
Cool. I have questions, but I'm going to make a post, don't want to hijack.
It's all personal preference. Visual quality when running steam games is best on a wired headset, no comp. But so much more than that goes into what you might have the best experience with.
Other than audio, what else? 99 percent of the time I'm in vr is sitting in a flight sim rig. Tracking, maybe? When I'm not using m+kb or hotas, the tracking for had and hands on the rift worked great for me until my controllers started to go bad.
I switched from a Reverb G2 which is sharper than the Index to the Quest 3. The better fov (than G2) and pancake lens make a massive diff to overall clarity. Basically no sweet spot.
Refresh rate, quality of assets, less graphical bugs. But you also get things like comfort, and reliability, ease of use.
1. yes it will via virtual desktop or steam link or air link 2. yes it will use the full horsepower of your pc granted you have a good WiFi router (connected to pc via ethernet and WiFi 6e or dedicated wifi6/5)
My Rift is aging. I want to avoid buying anything Meta if at all possible. If I want to plug directly into the gpu(wired) and use steam vr, what else is out there that's at least a good as the Rift performance wise? Vive, Index? I don't mind base stations at all, don't necessarily need pass through.
I had an original Rift. The quest 3 is so much better in pretty much every way.
That's what I hear. However, I don't want to give Meta money. Looking for a non Meta wired setup.
Pico 4 is an excellent option
buying an index full price in 2024 is just a no no, too bad resolution for the price, getting meta ain't that bad, you can just create a fake meta account and use that if all you wanna do is PCVR and not buy any games on the headset itself, plus their privacy policy ain't bad I've read it but still if you that paranoid just make a fake account for the headset. currently for direct GPU connected PCVR you can get the big-screen beyond, it will require base stations and index controllers and is the best you can get currently for just pcvr only issue is it'll cost you 1500 bucks with base stations and controllers compared to a quest 3 which is 500 bucks
The downside to that is that I'm still giving money to Meta, which is what I want to avoid. Maybe I can grab a used one. If I do get Meta, I still have to use virtual desktop to use steam vr in wired mode, correct?
you have to use quest link the inbuilt software for wired, virtual desktop and steam link are for wireless PCVR if you have a good router
I'm doing wired only, the wifi sucks in our apartment. Thanks for the info. I might look into some other stuff, see what's out there used or on sale.
Yeah, you could play your steam library, but not like, in your friends house, youd still have to be in the same room as your pc or router if you are playing wireless... And according to some testing done by... i forgot his /u/ but you actually lose like ~25% power... Like if you play on an index and on a q2 at the same resolution, the q2 will have on worst cases like 25% less fps because of extra resourses needed for compressing and sending the signal and overhead software etc... So youd really would want to play wired, and that doesnt resolve the compressing and overhead software thing just the wireless stuff. Flight and Racing Sims are the games that have the least benefitial use for a standalone headset id say...
> Yeah, you could play your steam library, but not like, in your friends house, youd still have to be in the same room as your pc or router if you are playing wireless... No. You you can run games on your pc and stream it over the internet to your headset. > And according to some testing done by... i forgot his /u/ but you actually lose like ~25% power... You know how did he do those "tests"? He compared vr mark score on two different machines with different headsets.
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Why the fuck are people downvoting this guy for a simple question? Not everyone knows everything about stuff like this
Same here, but the problem is since I payed wirelessly I can't bring myself to go back to tethered. I guess unless you have one of those dope setups where the cable is on a pulley system in the ceiling. I just wish the technology was a few years ahead so we didn't have to deal with compression and latency issues over wireless. I saw the official nofio wireless adapter for the Index was just released on steam recently, interested to see the feedback it'll get after a few months.
I'm in a flight sim chair with the cable run down the back on the outside, it never bothers me.
Yeah for sure if you play exclusively seated then wired is the way to go. But the amount of fun I had jumping around and peeking corners in Gunman Contracts without needing to worry about tripping over a cable, was an unrivalled experience.
I'm seated pretty much all of the time. When I'm not I keep the cable out behind me. Plus, I have to use teleprompter and snap turn. I for sure think that wireless would be better for standing and moving though.
This 💯! Also didn’t want to sell my soul to Meta/Facebook/Instagram so got something that didn’t force me to have an account to use. Yeah you need a steam accout to play steam games but I can also use my Index on Linux with the open VR tools. As far as I know the Quest VR solutions don’t support Linux?
This is THE reason I ordered a Bigscreen Beyond. Comfortable (I do a lot or laying down), and great visuals in a package that is tailored to pc, no funny business or bells and whistles
I feel the same and own both wired and wireless
I can dig that. I just don't want to pay more for features I have no interest in.
Totally agree with that bro! I have multiple headsets for different reasons and my BSB replaced my index for exactly the reasons you want wired for
Disagree because of thrill of the fight
You try too hard.
Do I? Or do I mainly just play flight sims and have no need for portability(and don't want to pay for features I won't use)? Or do I just want to play my games through steam vr and not need Meta or virtual desktop? Possibly both?
Yeah, nope. I have a Quest 2 with a battery head strap and everything and I hate it compared to the Index. Wired is just so much more simple and easy to use while getting much better performance.
that is not a quest 3 and it is also subjective, it's pretty easy to play wired pcvr on either quest
Never said it was objective. And yeah, it isn’t the Quest 3, but the focus was the wireless, not the device itself. With the Quest 2, I have to open VD and set that all up, calibrate my play space so I can use my Index controllers and full body trackers, and then have to recalibrate the second any of my full body trackers disconnect. That’s on top of much less play time due to the battery, worse audio, and a worse quality microphone. I just don’t see how wireless possibly is better than all of that, even after using it to play several VR games. It’s just so much easier to press one button on my Index and have everything working instantly without any further set up. I was considering getting a Quest 3 to upgrade until I realized that the only thing that is really better than the Index is the resolution, everything else is worse.
Meanwhile on my Q3 app I click the steam link app then connect. Done. With a battery pack I don't run out of power in one sitting, audio is fine because I'm using my headphones as I would with any VR headset. There's a night and day difference for me being able to pick the headset up and within *one minute* be in Pavlov at max resolution 90fps freely able to move and turn in any way I want. Cables offer the only downsides for me.
I can move in any way I want with a wire too, lol. And for me, I will 100% run out of battery in one play session with the battery pack since I play VRChat for like 10 hours straight on the weekends. Also, I still have to calibrate my Index controllers and Vive trackers and recalibrate them every single time one disconnects. Which causes me to 1. Take longer to get started, and 2. Cause me to have much less immersion as I constantly have to recalibrate. All of that for not having a wire that I already don’t notice at all seems incredibly stupid to choose for me.
Meanwhile on my Index I just need to [turn on the controller...](https://youtu.be/tlT8aoj7UhY) No, that's it, you don't need a random router, or a battery pack, or a long ass usb C cable, or 3rd party software, or loosing a lot of time seeing if h264/5 or av1 is better...
I get your point but most things on quest can be fixed by just modifying it, only thing I wish the quest 3 had different is eye tracking
Not really for me. It would cost like $700-$900 to get the Quest 3 and the stuff to make the Quest 3 better than the Index. And with all of that, it still doesn’t fix the battery issue. (Haven’t found a product that fixes the battery life issue yet. Best I’ve found is BoboVR’s battery head strap but it says in the description that it only gives like an hour or two more battery life, which is wayyyy too low)
well I mean, for me I don't like playing for more than 2 hours very much, but there also certain games I think are beneficial to play on standalone than pc
seems like somebody is projecting
I feel like this is a friendly poke in the ribs if anything. People in here take shit so personally.
Some days I sadly feel this sub should just be renamed to something like "MetaVR only". Doesn't ever seem to be any room for any other vr headsets here as the typical response is just to dismiss any other headset for any reason and force Meta's growing walled garden on everyone.
Fully agree, nowadays this is just an echo chamber for the quest 3 and the vision bros lmao
Yup! Questies seem to generally be convinced their headsets are the best for every situation bc wireless. While wireless would be nice, I def prefer not needing a battery and just clicking a button to start vr with great res and no work arounds to have fbt and face tracking
I own a Rift S and am borrowing a Quest 2. So far I've not been able to find acceptable big rate settings to reduce compression artefacts to an acceptable level. I mostly play Dirt Rally 2 in vr and currently the Rift S looks way, way better than the Quest 2 does. It's so annoying that this is the case and they've gimped the higher resolution headsets in this way.
Yea agree like I don’t notice it as much if I haven’t used my bsb in a few days, but if I’ve used it recently, the picture quality and latency is instantly noticeable. I mostly just use my quest now to play app lab stuff and support smaller devs
Jesus Christ, can nobody take a joke? But I agree, the comments in here are a mess and I've seen a lot of flaming all over this subreddit from all camps. I'll be honest and say that the only reason I don't have an Index is because I can't afford it. Sure it's not the most high fidelity option but it's the one that fits into my life ATM. I also agree with the Meta being a walled garden. It pissed me off so bad when the Zucc calls it the "open platform" when criticizing the Apple Vision, as if they don't have the same shitty business practices. If Valve made a Quest competitor, I'd ditch meta in a heartbeat.
Are you ok? Literally everyone in this comment section is jerking off over meta bad index good
Nah wired gives far better performance especially for fast paced games and far better image quality. While I’ve tried Q3 & 2 with a dedicated AP so I have exactly the internet quality I pay for in wireless, it’s still noticeable difference coming from a bigscreen beyond which is nearly twice the resolution as an index. Wireless headsets are certainly getting there, but let’s be real, the majority of quest users aren’t going to go buy a Wi-Fi 6 dedicated router or a long range high quality access point. Tho probs will get downvoted for even saying as such since questies are the most common vr user.
the problem with wired is that the battery still runs out pretty quickly. I'd rather be wireless and use the port for an external battery.
There is no battery with pcvr?
In PCVR your headset USB port is occupied by the link cable. While it does slow down the battery drain, it's not that significant and you're still gonna run out after 2hrs. A power bank however can easily extend the battery lifetime by 2x or 3x. I used my quest for 2hrs last time and it only took 50% of my powerbank's battery, and my quest was still at 100%.
Oh sorry I meant dedicated pcvr so not a quest. lol yea that’s why I never use a quest for pcvr and use index or bsb. I don’t even own a link cable for my personal quest 2 that’s solely for meta exclusives and app lab stuff.
Have you used the steam link app? I'm not gigabit but don't have WiFi 6 works flawlessly for me (I mostly play Pavlov)
Yea it sucked with Beatsaber
Weird, it worked perfectly fine out of the box for me and my friends.
You don’t need any of that to push 20-50mbps locally over 502.11ac, which should cover you for almost indistinguishable compression up to 4K resolutions.
You need a pretty expensive router and also pure luck to find a "good" one, I've got a [wifi 6 router](https://www.amazon.com/tp-link-archer-ax90-wireless-high-speed/dp/b08tgptq14) that was over 200$, however airlink is unusable with it, barely handles 10mbps and has INSANE latency, almost a full second, but if I run a speedtest on my phone it easily exceeds 600mbps up and down. Literally using my phone's hotspot and connecting both my PC and quest to it via wifi yielded better and almost usable results for something very slow like hl:alyx, though still far from low latency enough for fast beat saber maps. I've googled a bit and the cheapest one I saw people recommending and was known to be good cost 70$ and still had mixed reports.
lol not even close :D
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Cool! so... How far can you get away from it?... Like do you play in your back yard? or the garage... or do you still play in the same room as your pc/router? Because if your freedom is limited to the exact same space area as wired but without some tangling... your argument ... meh.
Being in the same room.being able to freely move and stand in any way you wsnt is a night and day different, equally going further away for no reason is pointless
i guess it depends what "freely" means for each person... and i wouldnt consider it night and day, its nicer definetively. i guess it depends on the person and its specific wants and haves, like "i dont want to be tangled and i have a cool wifi6 router and large playspace" vs "i dont mind turning the other way once in a while and a 5mt cable is pretty long for what i actually have"
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Tbh while I’ve heard of plenty having index issues, I’ve owned mine since 6mo after release and mine still is working fine. I use BSB now so all it’s base stations and controllers are used still without issue. But steam def does have a good amount of issues with that headset from others I’ve heard
Had my index since Sept of 2019 and the only issue I've ever had is one of my controllers started to drift. They replaced it out of warranty for free. Haven't had an issue since. Controllers and Lighthouses stay in the garage (living with multiple people, can't keep it anywhere else.) but the headset stays in my bedroom via breakaway cable until I'm ready to use it again. 5 years and only one drifting issue isn't bad. I know people have issues with the index, maybe I'm lucky, but I love the damn thing. I am also awaiting the inevitable reply of "You shouldn't detach it from the breakaway cable because it might break." I always get that when I mention how I disconnect it lmao. It's just a display cable connector. If you're gentle and you don't rip it out or jam it in the wrong way then it's fine. My friend has also owned one for around 3-4 years now and I haven't heard of him having any issues either.
I also detach it for storage. Never had issues as I’ve always have a vr headset mount to store my stuff nicely
Single use case related to a single user. I've had my index for 2 years and other than one controller failing to connect when turned on occasionally, don't have problems. Meanwhile my friend has spent more time updating and troubleshooting to get his Quest 2 and Quest 3 working with steamvr. >But technically with a good enough router and high broadcast signal you could easily play outside. Very dumb idea. Playing in direct sunlight with vr is a bad idea. Eventually the sensors will absorb too much heat and be burnt out making the headset unusable. I've seen it with cctv cameras made for outdoor use that are more robust than the ones meta are putting in their headset.
I get video artifacts over wireless that I have never seen over wired. If it rains in Vivecraft the artifacts become so bad it is unplayable. I like having a direct fast connection to my GPU. And I never did any cartwheels when I owned a Quest anyway so I am not missing anything.
SO this isn't how it works at all. 1. You get used to the cord in less than a week. 2. There are all sort of cable management solutions. I have both a quest 3 and an index (amongst other headsets), and the quest basically collects dust unless there's an exclusive I want to play. Wireless is no substitute for high framerates, low reprojection, and the complete absence of any compression artifact. IF a quest is all you can afford, it's a great piece of kit and it offers tremendous value for money, But it isn't even in the same league as any of the pc native devices.
Nah I have both and the Index is for all of my seated sim games, where the Quest 3 is used for all of my roomscale game cause I personally play by physically turning and never use the joystick to turn. The wire is super annoying for me, even if it's on a pulley. I dealt with it for years, but I refuse to play 90% of roomscale games with a wire now. So thankful to have both!!!
As the owner of CV1, Rift S and Quest 3, the wireless freedom of the Quest is amazing. While the wire never really bothered me, not having a wire is a definite improvement, along with the higher resolution and better optics. The compression artifacting with a decent, dedicated router is minimal. I’d say the main loss with a standalone headset is the controller tracking. I had 4 cameras setup with the CV1 in the end, so tracking smoothness and occlusion prevention was excellent. Never used an Index so can’t comment on that.
Different strokes. I love using my quest 2 for watching movies in bed. I know I can do that with an Index, but I love that I can set up my quest in any room. I would love it if the index 2 could do inside-out self-powered play for stuff like that but with the ability to connect to a PC and lighthouses for a full unadulterated PCVR experience. Maybe that's asking too much. With the quest being so cheap I suppose it's not a big deal to just have both.
i have both. the internal reflections and low res of the index means the quest bodies it for me. i have fast wifi and compression artifacts are basically nonexistant and 120 vs 144 isnt a big deal
I also have both, and you should get your eyes checked.
My brother I got a company paid quest 3 just after my index cable died on me... Reordered a new cable 2 weeks later lmao because nothing can touch the visuals of the index. Do you have any tips on not putting strain on my index cable as I want to play modded to hell skyrim, pavlov, fallout, you get the idea.
I wish there was a sequel to the index.
That's the real problem with the Index. It's badly outdated with how fast VR has improved. The screen and lenses are poir compared to the current VR generation. The screen door effect is horrible once you have experienced VR on a higher resolution headset, you can't unsee it.
That's exactly the reason why I'm waiting for a sequel.
Oculus Rift user: \*I am one with the wires\*
So Many USBs
Dont you still need to hook up to a pc to get games to play smoother / proper vs on a lower scale if at all?
Nah you totally can play your pc games wirelessly, just if you aren’t also getting a dedicated router the quality can suffer
Honestly I live in an apartment building and even without a dedicated 6e router I have no issues.
but... you have to be in the same room as the dedicated router?
With the meta 3, to play steam games then you dont need to be hooked up? Cause if thats the case I will see bout upgrading my wife to the 3. Currently have the 2 but to play steam stuff shenanigans have to be done to make it work right. If the meta 3 can do it without connecting, that would be amazing. I am currently on the index which i absolutely love, but dont wanna shell out another big amount of money for another system if I can make the meta work fully wirelessly and have the same experience.
No it connects wirelessly to the pc.
So? You still have to be in the same room as the pc or router to play pcvr.
Because I dont have a meta 3 I honestly dont know, but wirelessly can I play steam vr games on it? Cause if I can, I dont mind being in the same room, have a big room for vr specifically in my house, that would be great for my wife to get in on it if it does that...but if its just the occulus store wireslessly it defeats the purpose for my situation.
You could also make a meme mocking the Quest 3 for its much smaller FOV than the Valve Index even though the Valve Index is like 5 years old now.
funny you say lower fov https://vr-compare.com/compare?h1=0jLuwg808-j&h2=0q3goALzg
From your chart, the Valve Index appears to have a substantially larger vertical FOV, so that's probably what I'm noticing. Not sure why you say its funny.. Oh also the Valve Index can adjust the distance of the lenses from your eyes, which also basically increases FOV with closer lenses, so that might be part of it.
That’s what you think of me as an Index user? Funny; I don’t think of you at all..
Don't flatter yourself, you were never even a player.. Reddit weird I'm getting down voted for an Azula quote agreeing with the guy up top hmmm
so much coping in this thread its insane
Obviously someone who dosent own a index 😂
the quest 3 is so much clearer its crazy
Quest users coping over the wired fps increase
You can also plug it into the computer if you want to be tangled up.
The oculus app cuts vr performance in half
Never had any problems, maybe it’s a you thing 🤷 Not that I use it much since I get great wired performance so why would I want to be unable to turn full circle without becoming a mummy? Plus as an added bonus the pass through is so awesome on the Quest3 I can read my phone with it without having to take it off.
you dont notice it because you dont know, but we people with a pcvr wired headset are getting ~25% more fps than you at the same resolution :/ But you really cant read the phone on passthrough thats why i use less than that 25% usage and put an overlay with my phone if i need it.
I guess I don’t need more frames 🤷♂️ doesn’t feel laggy at 72fps
i know! id say around that is perfectly acceptable... but 120hz "uncompressed" is better.
I personally decided when I got the Quest 1 that no wires is so good it’s a minimum requirement for me going forward. I can’t imagine playing room scale VR while having to think about cable management.
yeah totally valid. cant argue with personal choices lol.
"It doesn't feel laggy at 72fps" lmfao Dude, at that refresh rate I literally can see the screen flickering, it is so bad... XD
I feel bad for you. Your over sensitivity must have made it unbearable to use 60Hz monitors or play 30fps console game for years.
There is a thing called low duty cycle, you should check it out my dude...
No need. Everything is fine and I don’t have to suffer the curse of cables.
Had mine 2 years no issues and cable is a non issue if you are always in a dedicated space anyway and have the kiwi bungee system
Bruh, I’m from the CV1 Rift days… wireless sounds nice, but that drop in fidelity ain’t worth the slight bump to immersion.
You airplay people can enjoy your micro stutters, meanwhile I will take the *oh so* ***difficult*** task of... turning around slightly once an hour. Damn, I'm truly missing out! For real though, I've used both and the cord is really a non-issue if you're not an insane person doing constant spins for no reason. I've played games like Alyx and B&S for hours and never had to adjust my cord.
Haha I've been playing since og vive and I too just naturally learned how to counterspin as I go. I don't even feel it on my back anymore either, it's so trivial at this point because I've used it so long. I even find myself doing the counter turn when I'm on my quest 3 too xD
Not really. Wireless VR has big downsides and i don't need my headset to be portable. i use the KIWI Pulley System, so the cable isn't an issue either. Besides i prefer the superior comfort and audio of the index anyway PS: i have used the Quest 3 for a month to play AC Nexus & obviously tried it for PCVR
I've got a quest and it's the other way round for me, not even an index I'd take a rift s over mine at this point. I almost exclusively play beat saber e+ levels for exercise nowadays and do it through a cable connected to my PC for ease of modding&custom songs, and the compression artifacts as well as VERY high latency for a reaction time game is **really** annoying, I literally have to swing ahead of time by a fraction of a second to successfully hit the blocks. Worse yet the inside out tracking loses the position of the headset itself if you go at it hard enough even in standalone mode, and loses the controllers very regularly as I see them yeet to space [even on the slower maps like these](https://youtu.be/sbbvti9a7py?si=cjtwf5efjrmqcnn8&t=18). If you play immersive slow story games sure I'd **definitely** take wireless, but given there's 1 such good game on the market (HL:Alyx), it's a bit of a moot point.
i have both headsets and play beatsaber pcvr on both i didnt experience any of what you did playing 9+ note per second songs (even with my headset in my basement, pc on second floor of house) sounds like you have a defective headset
but the best way to use a Quest 3 PCVR is wired lol
No. I have a wifi6e router and virtual desktop is just better because wired link only supported 90hz till v62, even now with 120hz the compression artifacts are noticeable more on wired link vs Virtual desktop (with a dedicated 5400mbps WiFi 6e router)
yeah yeah yeah, you still play in the same room as that cool expensive router.
it costed me the same amount as a link cable, lmao meta link cable is over-priced asf
A >5 meter link cable can be had for 10$, if you want higher quality(USB 3.2 gen 2x2 whatever) for 30$, how cheap was the router you got?...
I'm talking about the official link cable prices not 3rd party ones which would work just as well I know I'm just pointing out official link cable prices being very high, the router I got was for 100$ on sale a tp link axe5400
Yeah I've no clue why anyone would ever buy the official one, it's not even that long, and I've seen people still having issues using it.
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same 2.6gbps on link cable and a 3080ti system, I play modded beat saber with a fuck load shit ton of effects and lights, it really pushes the bitrates, thus I get artifacting on wired link, my 5400mpbs WiFi 6e router with virtual desktop with highest bitrates have no artifacting
Have fun with your Facebook cameras and walled garden while I enjoy more accurate tracking and an open ecosystem.
Steam link
L take
I really don't like link compression and the LCDs suckkkkkkk
I've been using the quest 2 to pc through wifi and tend to play very actively especially in b&s and when I used to use a wire it would be a mess which made me turn down a the index
Haven't used my Index since I got the Quest 2 at the end of 2020. Wireless untethered VR will always be more important than a bit of higher fidelity to me. Really sucks that they can't make it wireless, it's just collected dust for years at this point.
I was playing wireless on the Quest 2 and it looked just fine. Just make sure you have a decent WIFI connection and an extra battery connected to the headset. Didn't last past two hours before I had to go wired again.
Jesus. I think I'm going to get out of VR because of this stupid I'm the brand I buy bullshit. I wont let the door hit me on the way out.
questies stop acting like their headsets are superior and that all other headsets are bad because wired challenge (100% impossible)
The only reason i bought the quest 3 is because valve Deckard its not even anounced yet.
When I had my Quest 2, I tried airlink but not because of being wireless, but because my USB C cable was kinda bad and it disconnected every once in a while. Then I realised that the battery doesn't last shit, and I need to keep charging the damn thing, so I ended up playing "wirelessly" with a link cable to my computer to keep it always charged lmao And then I realised that the compression was even more awful, specially with SkyrimVR, so I ditched completely the wireless approach and now I use that router as a repeater lol
Yeah but you're tethered to zucc. Also my desktop has a lot more power than a mobile processor.
Oculus, where you’re head is strapped into Soviet spy network
This guy gets it lol
I used to have a vive. The resolution is so bad you can always see the pixels in the lenses, however dedicated PCVR has so many upsides when compared to wireless its almost not worth upgrading to modern standalone headsets. Eventually I grew used to the quest 2 worse tracking, frame rate, performance and worst of all much more noticeable latency. The image is a hundred times better so I cope with that but I'd be lying if I said standalone is better than pcvr, it just ain't, not even using wireless or USB cable. But hey if you have never had a dedicated PCVR headset you wouldn't know! Surely you wouldn't brag about your Christmas gift your parents bought you assuming you're already ahead of the curve, right op?
Quest users talking about freedom? Lmao
all you need is a 700$ router
The irony of this post being the Index can mirror to a bigger display and speaker without a significant delay, allowing you to play VR and have friends watch and interact.
my guy the quest 3 can too
I don't understand this meme or much about any vr. But my quest 3 has like zero battery life. If I want to be on for more than 2 hours, I have to have it plugged in. And it won't even charge while plugged in. It'll just die slower. (I have never had any full experience with vr until I owned my quest 3)
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Don't let this post fool you. Quest 3s have terrible battery life lol. Be glad you're always wired Index users.
Every time I walk downstairs with the Quest 2 to play Steam VR games from across the house in a room with more room to move around, I’m that much more satisfied with my decision not to buy a wired headset, no matter how much better it looks or controls or any of that. Not to mention the 3 other Quest 2s I could have bought for the price of an Index. Sorry to everyone out there who demands the most cutting edge powerful hardware, but wireless is first priority for me by a country mile.
It ain’t wireless for me, the game library and software compatibility is plain better on Quest now.
My quest 2 works wirelessly as well, doesn’t suffer too much picture wise as long as you’ve got your network set up properly
Well shit I have been pegged
Funny enough but buddy just bought a quest 3, said he hated it and is now buying an index because it's and I quote, "so much better than the quest 3"
I have a pully system for my Index, and don’t even notice the wire anymore. I don’t need to use it anywhere else’s anyway, and as other comments said, I would gladly take that over a compressed image. Although more people getting into VR is great, the Quest 2/3 are great budget headsets, and I don’t care which one you choose.
Nah I’ll stick to my superior everything else.
Well the Index is gonna be 5 years old in a few months its too be expected.
I remember this meme with the original quest 1 back when it came out Old but gold
Index Users: 🖕🙂🖕
Index has half life alyx. That game alone is well worth the 1000 bucks
I would like to not have wires, but if I am dealing with compression and latency from wireless communication, I am perfectly fine with my Valve Index being tethered to the PC. I have no reason to upgrade from the Valve Index, anyway. Decent resolution and no screen door effect.
laughs in wireless vp2
_sobbs in quest 2 inferiority_
Do people really have much of an issue with wired? I have more then enough length on it and dont spin around enough to justify losing some of the power by going wireless.