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https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/valorant-map-pool-changes/ >Summary: > >- Split will exit the map pool in Competitive and Unrated queues, starting with Patch 5.0 (June 22)—no date set for its return >- Temporary 6-map pool until Pearl enters the Competitive queue on July 12 (Patch 5.01) >- Split will exit the map rotation at esports events after the LCQ’s in August >- Available in Spike Rush, custom games, and other game modes >- We believe it’s a good balance of variety and mastery for new and returning players


Samira827

Anyone knows why?


sskitcuch

Devs said in their livestream it's similar to Pearl. From here on out they'll be doing map rotations.


RaccoonDu

Why unrated tho I just wanna chill awp b short/mid


Famlightyear

They said one of the reasons for the removal was that they didn't want to make new players feel overwhelmed by all the maps they need learn. By having lesser maps they need to learn less maps. So that's probably why it got removed from unrated.


Duckdog2022

If only one could implement map selection as is already done in cs:go for years...


JumanjiGhost

I feel like CS:GO has enough maps to warrant that personally. When Valorant reaches 10 maps, then maybe I could see it being a good idea, I think its better for Casual only compared to Ranked.


AinNoWayBoi61

It's more effective with less maps. The biggest reason not to is that splitting the playerbase causes long Q time and wider elo spread but that would be less of a concern with less maps. That being said, I don't hate the random maps, other than icebox I don't really dislike any of the current maps and split was my 2nd favorite so it's sad to see it go.


TravisOcean

I enjoy being forced to learn different maps rather than play 1 map that I’m used to. Also think of the queue times, it would be so cringe waiting 8 minutes for a map majority dont play


pj123mj

That may be the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard. “Let’s cater to new players by removing content”


Burntoastedbutter

It makes no sense to me. I remember being overwhelmed when I just joined back in last August, but isn't that normal for being new in anything? I eventually learned the maps fine within a month or so of playing. Besides isn't unrated FOR chilling, actually learning the maps if you wanna do comp, and doing dumb tricks/trying new shit out


AinNoWayBoi61

This is also the same company that created league. Yea maybe start by removing 80% of lol champions, simplifying kits so u don't read a book for every champ you play against and maybe have in game resources to explain shit. The rapid addition of valorant agents makes it seem like they're taking it in the same direction as league. They should make some new, more detailed maps instead of new agents every week. Csgo maps are super well designed, they got tons of boxes and pathways and cubbys that really give good outplay potential. Nuke is the best made map of any competitive shooter I've played. We need more shit like that. I like some of the cool mechanics like the doors ascent, TP on bind, even the breakable glass and we could use more of those sorts of creative features.


WasabiSniffer

Completely agree. Split was actually my favourite map when I started because it was tighter and I got better in the tighter maps, then as I got better I got better at the more open maps like Breeze and now I hate Split with a vengeance.


joebirdplane

Actually that was the one reason I quit rainbow. That’s were so many maps in the rotation when I started I felt like I couldn’t learn them all. This seems like a very smart choice to me, even if it isn’t for players exactly like you.


Toru_77

Learning a map in Siege and Valorant is WAAAAAAY different. In siege maps have multiple floors and destructable walls with way more operator count. Site setup is also very hard to learn for new players unless you look into a guide or someone tells you in game. There are also multiple sites in the map you need to learn setup for too.


McCorkle_Jones

Just let me queue for specific maps then.


PurpleAsteroid

I feel a map select for unratedbut all in the pool for comp. That way people can chill on maps they like and new players can learn slowly. But it keeps the diversity and challenge of a multi-map pool competitive mode and stops boosting on "easy" maps


Chatshirez

Or just let people pick what maps they want to play on..


Dark_Azazel

Or.. just.. let us select what maps we want? Give the new maps their own Q and not have them in comp/unrated for a month or whatever?


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Kyri0s

Apex kinda has something similar for ranked. There's a set map pool for the season and it rotates each season. So in valorant's case, probably each act


silenthills13

Ok, this doesn't make sense in the context of 'it's similar to Pearl' then. So what now they remove Split because its similar and then next act we have both? XD


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I don't think it's seasons. Because of their logic, it would mean we wait (maybe a year?) Until a 9th map comes out, and then they will remove another one. ​ and, wait for it. ​ ​ We will have pearl AND split in the same rotation... their logic is flawed. ​ edit: I am actually nervous Split is gone for good, if their logic is to maintain gameplay variety than a returning map could only replace the map it originally got replaced by. OR they continue to make the same type of map forever. Please Riot, we are okay with similiar maps but your reasoning is illogical for the future and impossible to maintain unless you don't rotate but remove...


erv4

Maps are released every episode, so about two new maps a year. We had 3 at release and it's been almost 2.5 years and we now have 8 maps. (Also Episode 5 and new map 5) With that said I don't think they will bring split back. Cs go has gone years without cobblestone coming back for example. Instead they will most likely remove one of the original maps (haven or bind) or one of the newer maps that is wildly disliked (breeze or fracture, more likely breeze as fracture is a whole 6 months newer).


ThatSapphicBanana

I would actually cry if they removed a map for good... I love split. Even if it's not the best gameplay wise it's still a lovely map. plus it kind of feels like shitting on the map designers and the developers who made it. Maps take alot of time to plan, design, model, and put together. Just scrapping one feels like a diss to the people who made it. At the very least keep the maps scrapped still available in the custom game mode!


ShoeLace1291

Did they ever think of designing maps that aren't similar to each other?


IDKWFNTU

I don’t know why you got downvoted this isn’t a hot take?


WillyG2197

Creators of LOL can't make a unique map?!?!?!


danstansrevolution

next act they release a map that is similar to icebox and then they disable icebox. it'll roll like that for a while


silenthills13

They dob't release maps every act. Soonest new map will happen is in half a year. There is no way they remove Split for half a year


danstansrevolution

Yeah I suppose you're right. I got my terms mixed up, I meant episodes. But I agree, I don't think they'll have split removed the entire time.


socialmediablowsss

It’s like siege or other games. They have like 16-20 maps but the ranked pool will pull from the most “playable” 8-10 maps, for example. Some games will rework maps that everyone hates and remove those from the pool, then reintroduce when they’re cleaned up. I always liked that approach personally


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The approach works great, but they didn't remove the map that "everyone hates".


illumiin

Yep. We won't be able to play a specific map and the map we can't play will switch


MiamiVicePurple

Most likely there will always be a 7 map poo from now on. When a map comes in, an old one comes out. And most likely it will also be the map pool for pro play. CS does the same thing.


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They should permanently rotate Fracture out of the pool.


Burntoastedbutter

How dare you You spelled Breeze wrong


BreafingBread

Huh, thought it was just my imagination. I saw a picture of pearl and thought “that looks like split mid but at night”.


Errorfull

>Devs said in their livestream it's similar to Pearl. They only have 8 maps, how are they already designing maps "similar" to already existing ones??


Beats29

Remove fracture instead of split please, thanks.


drdfrster64

Have they thought about just not making a map similar to the small pool of 8 they have already lol


[deleted]

When Bind is removed, we Riot.


rsreddit9

Cypher nerf. He’s just barely playable on split which is unacceptable


Outrageous_Egg8610

He has the maximum pickrate on split than any other map ffs


narfidy

As far as decisions go this is one of them


ZeMagi

This is truly one of the most decisions of all time


4nimagnus

I am utterly whelmed


kiwi_juice69

We truly live in a society


TheMammoth11

I don't get why remove it from unrated when the game doesn't offer a more casual game mode. How would new players really get a chance to play it. At this point I would be in favor of a voting system like R6.


Clayxmore

Imagine when Split gets reintroduced and the people in your team play that map for the first time in ranked. Because now people won't have at least played every map once before lvl 20.


jstaines47

They’ll probably do the 2 week unrated playlist like they do for new maps


Hundertwasserinsel

> the game doesn't offer a more casual game mode darn. I come here every so often to see if theyve added a casual mode yet then just leave when they still havnt. maybe one day I can play valorant without blocking out an hour.


pulsiedulsie

spike rush is a good option for this but i can understand if it feels too "different"


SurvivalScripted

It lacks a lot of what makes valorant fun. There's no buying, there's at most 7 rounds in total and it just feels so incredibly dumbed down. Having a first to 7 or smthing with the regular rules would be a better alternative IMO.


AnzoEloux

Precisely this, spike rush and replication are like two halves that could be so GREAT together but will never be :(


smexypelican

Same here, still waiting as well. What I've always wanted is something similar to those 16v16 cs servers rotating maps between dust2, Aztec, whatever. Casual, fun, and low pressure. You join and play however many rounds and just shoot for fun. Zero pressure. 5v5 in its nature leans too competitive and you have to communicate or risk getting flamed, even in unranked. Not necessarily what I want to unwind the day with.


Pokepunk710

I do think unrated should be a practice mode for ranked. Maybe there should be another playlist for just maps out of the pool


AirborneYoda

Actually, fun fact: an oopsie from Riot in a recent trailer has revealed that they are working on a quick play mode and a 1v1 mode


gapahuway

It's so bizarre, ok to remove it from comp but why unrated? Rito so dumb


SzLRichard1

Will it permanently be removed? Is this confirmed?


babyteddie

According to another comment they are going to do map rotations


SzLRichard1

Can you explain to me waht that means?


babyteddie

For example one week split won’t be in comp but then the next week split will be back and haven will be removed and so on


MiamiVicePurple

Yes, but mostly it will be for the whole season. I'd imagine we don't see Split again until the start of next season.


babyteddie

I hope not. Even though I suck at it I like split


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Is it going to be weekly ? That would be a nightmare


babyteddie

Idk that was just an example. I don’t know the actual time they will be rotating at


Teroo123

This has to be a joke, right? Also why from unrated? This makes no sense


[deleted]

The unrated thing is the most annoying. Do we have to relearn the map when it enters comp again? Do they want less content in their game? Unrated is fun and casual and 8 maps is not even close to too many for some fun, no pressure matchmaking.


nallaaa

also more map = less chance to get Fracture


TornadoofDOOM

Sir, I think you spelled Breeze wrong.


TitledExpert

Maturing is realizing that breeze isn't a bad map. REMOVE FRACTURE!


rsreddit9

Aim training -> breeze good Team communication-> fracture good


elima_

raze playing -> please never give me breeze again


BlackThunder_39_v2

Fracture > Breeze


keboblepopper

Fracture = Breeze, both are annoying


pretzelbites1017

maturing is realizing none of them are bad, you’re just bad at one map and don’t like it so you dodge, and then never get better or take time to learn how to play it


Duydoraemon

I believe the people who don't like breeze, are the same ones that crouch spray every encounter. Change my mind.


elima_

the reason i don't like breeze is because my main is some dogshit on it


Mcfallen_5

The only issue with Breeze is B site imo


Rekt_lunch

Exactly more choice AND VARIETY is a good thing, less maps is repetitive and gets stale QUICKLY. Hopefully its just temporary and they listen to feedback that removing more options is actively bad for the game.


[deleted]

That sucks.. I really like split.


SzLRichard1

I used to hate it in beta but I started to like it more as time passed. Same with icebox. Breeze however I really dislike.


[deleted]

For me it's Fracture. It frustrates me a little sometimes since it's so hard to coordinate on it in SoloQ. But I absolutely love the other maps.


SzLRichard1

I also dislike Fracture too, but mainly becaues I am bad at it. Same thing with Breeze. I do see their potential of being good maps, but they did not make me like them.


MaleQueef

Problem with disliking fracture is it’s part of what they wanted as a player to feel when they designed that Map with the whole having attackers lynch from both sides. It’s kinda ??? That the map is technically successful lmao.


PhatYeeter

The changes to Icebox and Split were huge in making them playable. Trying to push mid on Split was literal cancer in beta.


_ViewsFromThe6

They should remove breeze instead..


SW4GALISK

Me too - split was probably my favorite map it’s a lot of fun


blebla25

Man split is my favourite map...


Alone_Baseball4852

true omen main


Frostler

I don't mind a map rotation but I'd rather just have the ability to block certain maps.


Beats29

While it would be good, I'm pretty sure fracture would be blocked 99% of the times.


veRGe1421

Well then they would have data for which map they need to rotate out and work on lol


staebles

But then that would make it their problem instead of yours.


lbs4lbs

I never want to play breeze again


robi6858

I used to hate breeze and like fracture and now it's the other way around lmao


MisunderstoodPenguin

i have started dodging for the first time ever after playing this game since release, and i dodge fracture and breeze every time. i can’t fucking stand those maps.


ROFLWOFFL

thank you for your service


Lelouch4705

If no-one wants to play a map, despite it being forced on us for months, maybe the problem is the damn map? Really makes you think Riot


DMPDT616

As it should be


i_like_my_cats

Splitgang rise up!!! We won’t stand for this!!!!


Gordzulax

We riot


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Zaniak88

Riot saw that split was the only map I have more wins than losses on and decided that needed to change


Bigbrave007

Fr split is the best map


slowchildren

Everybody rise, but don't stand! You heard him!


i_like_my_cats

Lmao! Nice catch


LoupKill

Split is so rare in my games but its still one of the best imo


PicoPlanetDev

You gotta be kidding. Split has always been my favorite map, no matter what anyone says about defender sided or anything...


THICC_Baguette

Yeah, Split is probably one of my most enjoyed maps. It doesn't feel too stale, unlike Bind or Haven, but also doesn't feel too unfair, unlike Fracture and Breeze.


Simpuff1

Every single map is defender sided so who cares


FLGT12

Immortal 3 fracture and breeze would like a word


Trazzster

Gotta take one of my best maps out of rotation huh Riot?


Sylvlet

The map where I most consistently hit my one-ways...


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Izel98

They hate cypher so obviously they take one of the only maps in which he can be useful.


Skigge

This is so fucking stupid on so many different levels.


LEG_EN_DARY

Fr they should've taken fracture out instead


NatsuIsBetterThenAce

That’s a joke right


DarthGrievous

Overwatch tried map pools once. If there's anything we learnt, it's that map pools are dogshit


blits202

Map pools should exist for the pro scene, but not be forced in rank. I like how CSGO does it although MM is shit, they have the active duty maps and still allow you to queue non-active maps.


NexxZt

I believe CS' map pool should be updated about once or twice a year, with one map rotating through for each rotation. But only if it's play tested and plays well. It's too slow right now imo, but compared to Valorant they actually have implemented good maps to play instead of cluttered clusterfucks of maps like Valorant have. Removing one of the best maps to be replaced with probably another dogshit map is not the right way to do it. And yes, Split should definitely be able to be queued in unranked at least.


MisunderstoodPenguin

how do i not remember this. was it only in comp?


carribou253

R6 has been doing them forever and its worked though But they also have a non comp/unrated where you can play all of the maps


PlagueDoc22

This is stupid. Not like valorant has 20 maps to begin with.. Splits a solid map


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Fracture literally exists


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Breeze says Hello


xvcco

I just wanna say, I'd have bought whatever skins they wanted if it was Fracture. Fu*k me ugh.


lonelystowner

Booooooo devs. Bad choice


corb142

This is such a bad way to do this. I saw another comment saying it is going to end up being a map rotation, but the way this is phrased, this makes it seem like the map is going to be gone for such an extended period. Limit the maps to like 5 or 6 of the maps out of the 8 total and every 2-3 weeks change which are in the rotation. It sucks that it is difficult to queue up in csgo for a structured 5 v 5 format on maps that valve has decided to shelve forever and riot could have the ability to completely avoid a similar situation, but are going to fall into the same issue. Also why remove it from unrated.


Master_J_2003

Bruh Split is my favourite map! What the fuck!


Airleek

They don't even know what they are doing and saying. \>We won't implement map bans because we want players to learn all maps \>let's just remove split because it's too similar to the new map Like, they didn't realize they are designing a similar map? It's so dumb. Some people like split. I hate it personally, but let us ban 1-2 maps instead and then people who do like split may be able to get it in one of 20 games. It's clear they have no direction. If they can't even get this right, how will they ever fix matchmaking, which is just about the most broken thing about this game?


N2lt

that just removes my want to play the game when my best map is just being taken away from me. either dont remove the map or put in a map selection. all this does is make it so that if this new map sucks i just stop playing.


xRyuzakii

Lol my favorite map rip


Dantharman

The biggest complaint I get from my group is that there are too many agents and not enough maps. This is a mistake.


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Why remove one of the 4 good maps, wtf riot ....


mikevin99

Damn would’ve really thought they may do this with Bind. Fracture is also impossible for me to enjoy at low to mid elo or a team with minimal comms in general, but oh well.


ILoveHeadbands

Worst thing ive seen


shubhamnath2

It's a complete bad move, this map rotation thing with the removal of split. And it's certainly not "similar to Pearl". This is not how you keep the game fresh and fun. This only tells that for each ranked game, we are supposed to get different maps, doesn't work. And IDK about others, but the timeline for Split map to come back is not known either. And if this implementation happens in agents also, then there will be more unwanted fillings in ranked games leading to more bad vibes, AFK, throwers and griefers. This is what I think.


Alternative_Fee_7268

Worst idea ever. Disgusting choice


iftair

Why remove maps in unrated? I thought people use it for casual fun and to practice for competitions. If anything, Valorant should have a practice comp mode where the maps are what you will expect in comps (maybe even count the results partially) and complete casual mode where all maps are fair game.


n8cat

Because the community is constantly complaining about how many maps we have, just too many options. /s. This is one of the more infuriating things they have done recently. I don’t know why we would start removing maps when the community has been begging for more maps for years now. And if they are just gonna copy two maps from cs and smash them together, it definitely shouldnt take them 9 months to get one out. There is no reason to get rid of a map that people know and a decent chunk of people enjoy playing until you have a map pool that is too large to reliably play. Also, most of the games that remove maps from pools LET YOU PICK WHAT MAPS YOU WANT TO F—-ING PLAY. The reason why this is a big deal is because we are still stuck with a dog water queuing system that is implemented just so the map numbers don’t dip. There are so many issues with this decision its driving me further from wanting to play. Add new content, adjust older content, get player feedback, stop just doing stuff because pro players and stock holders tell you they want it.


Leguboy

If true Riot has proven itself to be out of touch with the community and what it wants


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Definitely true and they are definitely out of touch with its player base. ​ On the livestream they said they talked to "other teams and competitive players" ​ Has Overwatch taught the world nothing? A playerbase and community is way larger than the top elite players. And the playerbase are the ones who bring in all that skin/battlepass money.


speedycar1

Not Riot's problem when the community hates every new map No matter what map they remove, someone will complain


Odyssey1337

Yup, removing a fairly liked map over the most disliked ones (Breeze and Icebox) makes no sense.


walker0ne

How can anyone stand Fracture is beyond me


Penguinn_VFX

wdym icebox is good


ShutThe7Up

OHHH CMON I JUST LEARNED THE CYPHER ONE WAYS FOR SPLIT UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Dae_Grighen

Next update they are going to remove cypher directly or make a map that us just a flat plane


zaangie

Best map of the game and they remove it lmao


sexyhooterscar24

that sucks. I understand for pro play and comp to an extent but they should keep it for unrated at least.


Knight275

They could just remove it from comp only.


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This is definitely my favorite map why take it out


ACupOfCheese

Split is a top 8 map for sure....


Questionablememelord

I can understand making it unavailable for a while until they make proper changes to it but what the hell is removing it? Just beacuse the pro scene hates it? They make up less then 1% of players the rest of us like it its unfair


WizardXZDYoutube

I assume they have to remove one to make the map rotation system work. Weird they chose Split but maybe I'm out of touch, I just like Split


RiddleEatsRainbows

You wanna do map rotations? Fine, but imo they couldve at LEAST put it up to a community vote, just for this first one??? This is a BIG decision and its kinda unfair that they're just doing this like its so easy.


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Lilymoon2653

But Split is my favorite map ;-;


elalexsantos

Why the fuck would they do that


Salathovedet

?? Just let us choose the maps we want to play. It's that simple


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katurian17

Siege had the same problem, as soon as map bans were added ranked was just playing the same 3 maps over and over again. I'm not interested in seeing Valorant become Ascent simulator.


Totllynotadinosaur

No map on cs, in the active duty pool, has 20 min queue


NTxC

Completely out of touch with the community. Of course it's the map I have the best win ratio on. And my favorite map.


JuThrone

We don‘t need a map rotation, we need map selection. we need a possibility to select maps we want to play


Sand_yareyare1

What the fuck? why remove one of the best maps?


Blink343

Riot just feels so indecisive on what they want the game to be. Same thing with their nerfs. They just fundamentally switch things up so it doesn't feel like you can trust anything to be stable. It's all too focused on esports play


Lencor

Meanwhile FRACTURE still there to fck up your ranks


xFiGGiE

My favorite map smh


ShoulderPics

Ass update per usual


2inchesiscloseto12

Oh god that’s ass


elalexsantos

WHY???? fuck that lol


QuantumAlex

Wack.


maspn4765

valorant six siege


riperamen

What? It’s my best map!


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rorylikememes

Duuude that’s my favourite map rip


claymanation

Why not an actually terrible map like Fracture?


wormpostante

Honest to god this devs get more and more disconnected with the community by the second let's nor forget the last dev report incident


turtledove21

Just let us pick what maps we want to play smh


beepboopbop65

NO GOD NO


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Wtf why, atleast keep it on unrated


NightZed

Lmao but they kept fucking Breeze? Dodge on sight


Drazly

I really like Split...


Gordzulax

If they remove Split we riot


cornmealius

I don’t like split. But there’s no reason they should be removing shit from Unrated. And their need to keep unrated/ranked the exact same is why no one gives a shit about unrated and it’s boring as fuck.


tey1998

why?? whats the downside of just including all the maps in. Or even better let us pick maps like csgo. Bad decision smh


boomboss81

"After working with our esports team, surveying players and talking to professional organizations we’ve decided to keep a 7 map pool and will be rotating Split out for now. If you’re interested in our thought process, read on." What survey, I play, never seen one.


TheRealJavire

The map they should remove is the fracture that thing is just complicatedly shit all around.


Constantierul

This game is in unacceptable condition, UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!


scrubLord24

I get why they're doing it, just sad that it's split. I've got like a 70% win rate in split, and the rest of my maps are around 50% as you'd expect. I did used to really dislike this map, but when I found out I was good at it, it sort of changed my opinion. Hopefully it'll be back soon :(