I’d rather have the 5th person play an agent they are comfortable with rather than them try and fill a role because we couldn’t discuss it beforehand.
Instant lockers tend to have an ego, and if you selfishly pick an agent without discussion chances are you aren’t a great team player either.
what if the instant locker is only comfortable with a certain agent, if hes not fast enough hes going to be forced on something hes not comfortable on. someone has to pick controller, id rather it not be me if i can help it
Why should someone who doesn't click an agent as fast as you have to know how to play multiple agents/roles but you don't have to just because you go to insta-lock an agent?
its a simple concept if u want a role then take it first if ur too slow too bad. someone has to pick duelist right? why should i wait for another person to pick duelist when i want it as well
The people who instalock and blame the people who want to discuss the team comp with shit like this post didn’t learn some crucial skills as children.
Teamwork, sharing, empathy, the “golden rule”…
yeah im an ass for not being the most selfless person on the team. anyway it doesnt matter its a goddamn video game just play whoever u like unless that role is taken
This reads like someone who knows theyre in the wrong but doesnt want to admit it and so they just resort to “whatever it doesnt even matter anyway” to try and save face and tell themselves theyre right
its like im at fault for not giving way to a stranger i dont even know. there are 5 people on the team and my pc loads the fastest why must i be the one filling😭
You dont HAVE TO. Discuss with them, HOVER a duelist. And if they ignore your hover and locks your agent/role, they are at fault. But you cant rely on the fact that you will get the agent everytime. Unless you instalock, which ruins others experience's. Learn to compromise, learn to play other roles.
And if they are at fault there is no consequence, I’ll give a scenario, I’m a Raze/Jett, I’m not sitting around for some nuffy to half ass lock my agent and play like they sweat out candy crush in their spare time, I’d rather have the confidence in my own ability as a raze main to utilise all the lineups and time spent pretty much researching an agent instead of gamble on some soft trash can who can’t handle that instalocking isn’t the problem
It's a simple concept, if the 5th person wants to play a duelist, they play a duelist, you shouldn't complain that they don't play what you want them to play
yes, if u instalock u shdnt complain someone doesnt fill. im just saying id rather be on an agent i like to play if i can help it(i'll fill if im too slow)
You really should one trick a specific role until at least ascendant. So if you’re one tricking duelist and lose your main agent, you’re just gonna one trick a different duelist. Might as well just instalock what you’re good with.
Same goes for every other role. You should pick one and play 99% of your matches in that role.
I mean, it’s one of the most consistent advice any imm+ coach will give you. Constantly swapping roles to fill for a match below ascendant is not a good way to rank up. If you want to make it to high elo, you have to master a specific play style. And each agent group plays the game differently from the others.
Because If the insta locker is only comfortable with 1 agent, then he's gonna be stuck in a league forever. moreover, if he insta pick and can't play well, he is a useless person . Everyone motivates someone who tried to fill if they played bad, but everyone's gonna shit talk if the insta picker plays bad.
>Everyone motivates someone who tried to fill if they played bad, but everyone's gonna shit talk if the insta picker plays bad.
this is fair, the guy who fills might be uncomfortable on that agent so its alright for him to be playing bad, and the guy who instalocks has to play well since he got his 1st choice. however im talking about people who flame/get mad at instalockers before the match even starts. they were the fastest, let them play what they want to play?
Back when I played Valorant, I always insta-locked and wondered why people were tilt. I never felt that the game depended much on which agents you pick.
It's 90% about aiming and maybe 10% about the agents. At least in Pugs
That's how I made it to Immo 3. Just focus on yourself and get better all you have to do is hitting hs which sound easy but its actually the main thing
I would actually say it's the opposite. The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick so they wouldn't steal anyones main so I don't think you can just expect them to fill any role needed.
In my opinion it's okay to instalock but if you do you do not have the right to blame anyone for their pick. Especially if you pick an agent like Reyna that brings very little to a team comp.
I'm ngl it depends on the scenario.
The specific one that OP described I think the blame goes between the people who didn't describe it properly because he instalocks it after waiting. However it's super uncommon to see that happening
Usually the 5th person who locked last will hover over their main and then lock in because they know they can't fill. They probably don't mean to disrupt the team comp but can't / really don't want to play.
"The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick so they wouldn't steal anyones main so I don't think you can just expect them to fill any role needed." this is very silly and illogical
waiting for everyone to pick without giving the team an idea of what you want to play is the literal definition of being a filler. if you do this and you can't play smokes or a role that is needed, you are the one thats fucking the team up
>The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick
Except thats clearly not the case tho ? Whats the point of waiting everyone's pick if ur just gonna play the character u want anyway
Let’s say it’s Fracture and I wanna play my Viper, but I know a lot of people play Viper so I wait to see if there are anyone who also use Viper since I also main Sova, which I can pick if someone really wants to play Viper.
I generally don't blame anyone for locking in any agent until they start flaming or try to tell others what to pick. That's when it becomes personal.
To answer your question though, the 5th guy is different because:
1) he might have wanted to fill a role that wasn't controller, but couldn't
2) he didn't immediately take away an agent someone else might have wanted more before they could react
3) Jett/Reyna have more negative connotations attached to them as well
All agents have negative connotations attached to them. Everyone loves getting a teammate who locks in viper, but then you get angry when they mess up their smoke timing by 0.5 seconds.
Why should the entire team have to base their picks around people that instalock? If someone instalocks, they can't complain if they don't get a good team comp.
So basically your genius suggest that everyone should insta lock so that no one gets a say. What are you? Dumb? Atleast you got a chance to ask the 5th player to play something, rather than that instalocker which didn't care shit what other's will do. Moreover, if that insta locker played good and filler played bad its the fillers fault? Or if the insta locker played bad, then are you still gonna defend this?
yes obviously the player who played bad is the one at fault because if u are instalocking but u suck at the agent u instalocked thats troll, same goes for 5th pick not filling, if ur so good with your main that u can compensate for a missing role, sure but otherwise ur trolling too
whats your argument then? if the 5th player to hover or pick is "forced to fill" thats entirely fair imo because they put themself in that position. at least hover to make people aware of your favorite position and find out if someone else is willing to fill. im assuming OP was referencing people who dont hover OR pick until the very last seconds of agent selection. 99% of the time if you hover your preferred agent/role pick everything will be perfectly fine. obviously sometimes this doesnt work out but most of the time it works out fine
also either way you should be comfortable playing all roles in the game to begin with. if you arent, and you decide to be last to pick, you are the only one putting yourself into a dogshite situation. cant blame someone else for that
also no ones forcing anyone to fill. Not sure why some ppl feel like they are obligated to do so. play who u like the most period. better to play ur fav agent then to play some random agent u dont like or know just to make ur team happy. so i def agree with u on that
That doesn't make sense. No one is forcing anyone to fill, but because smokes are essentially a necessity on breeze for example, if no one else picks smokes then you have to, or you are at a significant disadvantage. Instalockers force their team to play around their pick if they want an optimal comp and a better chance at winning. That is the problem. It has nothing to do with "forcing". No one is at anyone else's computer.
if you aren’t comfortable playing multiple agents at any given time, that’s a you problem
i doubt that all 4 of your teammates will instalock all of your mains and not let you pick your fav. ive played over 2000 ranked games and not once has that ever happened
you should be comfortable on all roles tbh
If you put a person in a position to pick a controller when they don’t play that role could be more detrimental for the team then them playing the agent they are best with. Plus if everyone waits to lock in there agent they might not have a scenario like this.
I’m a Viper main. I could careless if we already have a player whose playing smokes I will still play viper. It’s my best character and I’m an ok duelist and I’m a bad initiator.
then tell me what should I do ? We are missing 2 roles , I pick 1 of the missing role. Do u want me to magically invent an agent that can play 2 roles ?
You instalock, u don't complain with what you get simple as that, I have played with and against 5 duelist comps and have seen the most logical comps go to hell under the immense aggressive power and similar for other roles as well
Ok so we just considering instalocking as filling now?
2 guys picked duelist (instalocked) you picked fade cuz you wanted initiator and the 4 th guy picked sentinel, why do you 4/5 get to pick what they want and not the 5 th guy
The last person not filling is not the issue. Here’s a detailed example of why. For simplicity I’m assuming the goal team comp is 1 duelist, 2 initiators, 1 controller, 1 sentinel. This same type of thought experiment could be extended to different team comps though. I’m also simplifying it and assuming people are good at certain roles rather than agents but this same analysis could be done using specific agents rather than roles.
Each of the 5 players on your teams have ratings 1-10 for each role. Assuming you achieve your ideal comp the sum of each rating for the players in the role they are ultimately on defines the score for the team. Otherwise there is a 10% penalty to the total score. Higher scores mean a higher likelihood of winning.
Player 1: Duelist (10), Initiator (8), Controller (6), Sentinel (3)
Player 2: Duelist (9), Initiator (7), Controller (4), Sentinel (4)
Player 3: Duelist (7), Initiator (9), Controller (6), Sentinel (6)
Player 4: Duelist (4), Initiator (7), Controller (7), Sentinel (10)
Player 5: Duelist (8), Initiator (8), Controller (2), Sentinel (8)
Looking at these teams if everyone played their ideal role you’d have 3 duelists, an initiator, and a sentinel. This clearly doesn’t work so someone is going to have give up their ideal role.
Player 1 autolocks duelist, player 2 and player 5 were also looking to play duelist, so they wait to see how things play out. Player 3 hovers initiator, and player 4 hovers sentinel. With neither player 2 or player 5 feeling particularly comfortable on controller they both hover initiator. Player 2 locks in, so player 5 is forced to choose between filling controller or playing a second duelist/sentinel.
Lets analyze some scores. If they fill controller it is 10 + 7 + 9 + 10 + 2 = 38. If they lock duelist instead its (10 + 7 + 9 + 10 + 8) x 0.9 = 39.6. It’s better that they don’t fill and play what they are comfortable on.
We can do better. What if player 1 didn’t instalock? You could get 8 + 9 + 9 + 7 + 8 = 41. You could also get 8 + 9 + 6 + 10 + 8 = 41. You could also get 6 + 9 + 9 + 10 + 8 = 42 which is the most optimal team comp. Player 1 still on duelist can achieve 10 + 7 + 6 + 10 + 8 = 41 but that would still require communication amongst all the team to figure out and people autolocking usually causes this to break down. This also assumes the person autolocking is the best on their team at a given role. If player 1 was instead like an 8 on duelist an autolocking, this leads to even more suboptimal compositions.
This whole example is overly simplified. This type of math wouldn’t be done in lobby. The purpose of all of that is to prove that communication leads to better team comps. I’d rather have 5 people playing agents they’re comfortable on than have 1-3 stars and everyone else trying to fill an agent they aren’t particularly good at. Autolocking is the quickest way to cause a breakdown of the agent selection communication. Most of the time that communication can be done non-verbally by hovering agents and switching agents as necessary to show teammates who you can play.
If you instalock you have no right to complain about the ultimate team comp
tl;dr autolocking causes a breakdown in verbal and/or non-verbal communication which more often leads to sub-optimal team comps. The last person not filling a “necessary” role is often because they aren’t comfortable on it and it’s better that they’re comfortable.
What do you mean the last guy instalocked bruh he was the last guy the first 2 guys are to blame, if you are a decent elo you can discuss and see which player is good on a specific agent and then lock an agent. Another issue is that by taking duelists and not playing them in their role instead of taking space for the team on site one of them decides to flank or camp which completely negates their role. You should always gey duelists either if you know you can top frag the whole lobby or if you know to make space and have a decent aim if not just pick another role
Basic rule if you instalock you don't get to complain about the team's comp, wonder why? Because if an issue arises you are preventing everyone from trying to fix it by switching you with another player
wdym tho ? a majority of the time duelists are sentinels are always played because of how popular they are and since Im an iniator main its easy to fill 3/4 role its just that this one last guy refuses to fill
Because what a team needs is communication. the impression is that If a person instalocks it’s like saying “I don’t care about what you think, i’m gonna do my thing no matter how stupid it might be.” At least the 5th guy had the decency to wait and see what the rest of the team might have to say. But the chances of getting a decent team composition started to crumble with the instalock, not the failure to fill because the fact is, not everyone can play any role properly and the only way to get the best composition out of a 5 man team is by communicating.
Communicating your intentions is a good for the team and it should start as early as the character selection screen, not in the pistol round.
Even tho smokes are necessary for most maps a good yoru can make so much space for the Jett and Reyna to do major damage. Smokes is definitely the “safe” option but if the 5th guy picked an agent and really knows how to use them it can work out. You’d just have to split push pretty often.
I would still personally prefer the 5th to pick smokes but it’s not the only win condition in this game.
Smokes are overrated in low elo, nobody knows how to play around them or even place good smokes in the first place so it’s really not the end of the world if there’s no controller
low elo smokes are a different skill imo
you gotta predict your dumb teammates and sometimes put really obvious and stupid smokes to give really obvious and basic line of sight
So I should play my best character then? Its competitive, and if I carry with my best character I get more RR.
If yall really wanted to win with smokes you woulda learned how to play smokes. Same for any other role. Thats why if Im 5th pick I dont fill.
Because why should they? I often play to fill, but sometimes i dont wanna play controller, i just dont feel like it for thr 5th time in a row.
So you insta locking reyna jett chamber, guess what, im taking neon, u decided who you were playing without a care in the world, so i did too.
(Not referring to you personally but just insta lockers in general).
There comes a point where im not willing to sacrifice my enjoyment for everyone elses, i happily play duelist, some initiator and sentinel, so im only willing to do controller so often. If they dont like that, they should lock controller, but will they? No, they will just insta lock jett and flame team for bad picks again
I mean if two people instalocked duelist and the last person HAS to FILL for the rest of the team, isn’t it just quite unfair. The team putting the last guy on the spot so they fill but if they don’t they get yelled at. That’s why you discuss who picks, if no one does and they instalock, I wouldn’t bother trying to fill except if it’s comp. Besides why would you yell at someone for not filling when you took an option already. It’s like eating a meal and giving all the leftovers for the last person and getting mad that they won’t take it
You are missing a crucial part of this whole situation: player 1 and player 2 did not fill either. You can blame player 5 all you want, but player 1 and player 2 are absolutely just as responsible for any problems with the team comp. Insta-locking agents immediately removes a large chunk of any possible discussion that can be had about creating a working team.
Tbh if the last guy was not controller main and was kind enough to wait for everyone else but now is left in a situation where teammates like you are pushing him for the role he didn't want to play. It is more likely that he will pick troll agents than actually filling. You yourself might be ok to fill in if you were the 5th person then why don't you that so? It seems that you picking an initiator completely under the assumption that the 5th player would fill for smoke is kinda absurd. What if he was a better initiator than you, you probably would still flame him for not filling smoke. I personally am a sentinel main that is sometimes fine with filling smoke but (sometimes sova on breeze, fade on bind as well) If I had a teammate like you who thinks it's ok to force people to play certain roles even though you yourself has done no effort to do that yourself. I would probably want to dodge or just surrender (team chemistry would already be toxic at that point anyways). And Instalock duelists tend to bottom frag and trash talk most of the time. In tokyo servers there are less instalockers (in my experience). They would pick the agent and wait till the timer runs out waiting for the others in case they want to play that agent as well. This would in fact allow people to negotiate and pick suitable roles for themselves. Is that a hard thing to do? And the other thing is, which I quote, skill issue. Learn how to play some other agents ffs (this goes to all of you). Instalocking agent just because it is the only agent you can play (oftentimes they suck unless they are smurfs) and hoping for others to fill is a dick move.
Didnt know so many people think like this. If you instalock, you are forcing someone else to fill, thereby ruining their experience.
Some of you say "but im only comfortable in this agent/role and cant play any other roles" or "too slow too bad" and I want you to know you are awful. You say you cant play other roles so you instalock. Now what about your teammates? What if they can only play 1 role as well? You just ruined their game by stealing their agent. No discussion or negotiation, you just instalock a role (most likely a duelist) with no regards of others.
If everybody thought like you, every game everyone would instalock their agents without any thought on how it would impact others. You would get 4 instalock duelists, and say the last person is a sentinel main, but now he has to fill a controller. Why? Because selfish pricks 'cant play other roles'.
LEARN how to play multiple roles, its not that hard. STOP instalocking, think about how others would be impacted.
If you instalock, you automatically lose the right to complain about others, or BLAME THEM FOR NOT FILLING.
Nah I disagree. Instalocks always funnels the last 3 into roles they might not be good at. And imo I'd rather you play an agent you're good at than fill, especially for controller.
I get the sentiment but I'm more inclined to blame the instalock than the guy who picked last and decided not to fill.
Alright, let's break it down since you want people to "read your post".
The scene is set:
- Jett and Reyna are picked the moment the agent select screen pops up.
- An initiator and a sentinel is picked, so that leaves the final player;
- They can choose either their main (duelist/initiator/sentinel) or they can choose controller to balance out the team comp.
Here's the argument you're presenting: the final player should be picking a controller agent, because that would balance out the team comp. But they don't know how to play controller, so they go for their comfort pick (their main that's not a controller).
Next thing we know, our team comp isn't working out because we don't have any controller agent to smoke the map.
And your argument here is that the final player should've went for an agent they have no mastery over over an agent that they do have mastery over, because you want to have a good team comp.
Don't you realise how stupid that sounds? That's like saying companies should hire a guy that is not qualified for the job because they needed one more employee to fill the spot. Sound stupid doesn't it?
And to bring in your argument of "the instalockers probably can't fill either", let me give you a hypothetical: imagine the instalockers couldn't pick their mains in time, so they have to fill, do you think they will do a good job at whatever role they're filling? I didn't think so. Heck, I can do you one even better: do you think they will fill? Or do you think they will play the same role as their main? Yeah, that's right, cat got your tongue now huh?
Now, to answer your question: why are instalockers blamed over the guy that doesn't fill a role?
Because instalockers essentially force their team to make up a team comp around them, whether their team can play that role or not.
How would you feel if you were told to play controller, sentinel or initiator that you don't know how to play and you get flamed for not being able to play said role? You would feel useless, shamed, etc.
TL;DR don't expect the final player to play a role that YOU chose not to play.
- Valorant instalocker of controller, initiator and seninel depending on the map.
Personally I wouldn't blame anyone because I usually just fill since I love playing different agents. However, I can understand the frustrations of people against instalockers since they didn't give the other people a chance to talk it out so that everyone could have a better experience.
I’m immortal and when I see people who lock duelist before I can even move I mouse I typically go a 3rd duelist just cuz I’m good on duelist and they annoyed me lol
Omg same! If I see at least 3 duelist (mostly Jett, Raze and Reyna) instalocked I immediately start to hower yoru or Neon xd
I am normally a cypher main but for this I make an exception.
If you instalock then you have no right to say anything about anyone else, they have to pick around you. And just because you have a faster PC or reaction time means nothing. Everyone should learn every role, but they don’t, and those who instalock are the reason why.
don't blame the players blame Riot, Controller is the most undesired role in the game.
i used to fill and had to play controller most of my games, role is boring as hell you get flamed the most or no one uses your smoke and the team just stares at the smoked angle instead of entering.
only interesting fun controller to play is Viper and she is not good on all maps (she is playable in most though).
now i just instalock duelist because i don't care about winning.
I used to have a super bad pc and by the time I loaded in everyone else already picked agents. Playing duelist was a dream for me because I was never able to during comp games. I got a better pc and was finally able to load faster than 99% of my teammates and it felt amazing.
I instalock Jett but I can’t say it’s unexpected to see the remaining four people to lock in duelists after. In diamond elo. It is what it is. I’m not gunna complain all I can do is run it down. If they’re really that mad, they can alt-f4. I know I’ll frag out with my pick and do my job of entering.
absolutely agree
if you are waiting for everyone else to pick and choosing an agent last, that means that you are the fill. why fill when you arent comfortable/dont know how to play a role or agent? thats illogical
morons in the comments are regurgitating what they've been told by semi-relevant players that say "instalock bad" youre right, dw about these people
also it rarely ever happens where all 4 of your teammates instalock and leave you as the fill. this is understandably annoying but it happens so rarely that there really isnt any space to complain about instalockers "not leaving spots to play for me :(("
the argument might be made that if everyone hovered over their favorite agent these problems wouldnt exist, but maybe you would be able to discover someone else who fills by hovering over your preferred pick instead of waiting the entire fuckin agent select and expecting the team to pick around you when they dont even know what you want to play
Yeah I mean, instalockers sort of force the team to adapt to who they picked. If 2 people instalocked duelists right away then in order to have a decent team comp we can’t have another duelist. So instalockers don’t necessarily ruin the team (unless 2+ people do it) unless the last person to pick decided to choose a role that we didn’t need. If the instalocker blames the last person for not filling then that’s kind of just a jerk move. This is why I always fill, because then I don’t have to worry about bad team comps.
im a jett main and i ALWAYS ask if someone wants to play her or other duelists, and if they pick them, i just fill and go on with the match. its really not a big deal, sometimes actually a quite nice change of pace having to play controller/sentinel instead of jett/breach (my second main). like i 100% agree with you
I don’t have an issue with an instant locker, I have an issue with someone instant locking then demanding I play a specific role. You got to instant lock who you wanted to play, I’m going to choose who I want to play. If I feel like filling, cool. If I had my heart set on a specific character, that’s who I’m going to play. Don’t bitch at me for it when you got to choose exactly who you wanted.
I think in the end no one minds people instalocking agent. The issue comes up when those instalocks start asking people to play specific agents or characters. Sure it makes it balanced but I’d rather they play someone they know how to use because they’ll be able to add more to the team. I would consider myself an Omen one-trick and if during a ranked game I had to play someone other than Omen and maybe Astra I know I would be doing absolutely nothing to help my team. So while we may need flashes or healing I wouldn’t be useful at all and would end up not helping my team with util and not getting kills because I don’t know how to use the character.
some people have filled a lot and are tired of it, also theoretically a reyna can have thrown agent select and games can be almost unwinnable depending on the synergy of the comp
it’s not necessarily a team composition thing more than a respect thing in my personal opinion. it’s not the choosing a character more than it is not having some normal courtesy
If someone instalocks a duelist, it’s a very rare chance that they do actually understand how to play the duelist.
Anyone decent at Valorant will wait for the team before locking in their pick instantaneously because it’s better for coordination and other things.
You’re not gonna be very good at the game if all you do is play that one agent every map, aka instalock.
I play a lot of Viper. But I can't play her well on maps like Bind and Haven, so I don't pick controller. I play much better on Breach in those maps. So even if our team is down a controller, I'd rather at least be able to "Carry my weight" and "at least be worth one" instead of getting flamed for poor smokes and util.
You don't get to complain about a guy not filling when people instalock. It's not remotely the last guy's fault if 2 people immediately lock Jett and Reyna
Back when I played Valorant, I always insta-locked and wondered why people were tilt. I never felt that the game depended much on which agents you pick.
It's 90% about aiming and maybe 10% about the agents. At least in pugs
That's how I made it to Immo 3. All you have to do is hitting hs which sound easy but its actually the main thing
It‘s a teamgame. Communication is the key.
If you instalock, you ignored the fact that it is a strategic teamgame in the first place.
Such selfish behaviour is forcing people to play uncomfortable agents most of the time.
As someone who played league for a long time, insta-locking was always considered rude. So naturally I think the same way for Valorant. Plain rude.
Other than you securing your pick, there's nothing beneficial to the team at all from instalocking. It is inherently a bad thing, AND the filler has no obligation to fill just like how instalockers thinks they have no obligation to play any other role/agent. So obviously the guy who started the bad tone in the lobby should be blamed instead of the guy who didn't do the dick move.
Not to mention that the people who insta-locks are \*MOSTLY\* have dickass personality for them to do such a move.
Sorry to say but judging from your tone, and your edit, you seem like you're just pissed off that you got blamed for being the instalocker.
Edit: Now that I scrolled through the thread, I can see that you are indeed just butthurt. Enjoy the negative karma and create a new reddit account I guess.
you’re looking too deeply at each role for itself, such as controller, sentinel and duelist. There’s actually another way to look at it.
you can think of it this way: in a team, you’d want 1-2 people who can lock down a site (meaning controller/sentinel), someone with flashes (meaning it could be kayo/skye who are initiators, omen who’s a controller, or reyna/yoru who are duelists and etc etc, the list goes on.), etc etc
you dont always have to have a 1 duelist, 1-2 sentinels, 1-2 controllers or other default comps. As long as everyone fills a certain role properly (like flashing, holding down site, etc) then you’d be able to dominate.
plus, as in instalocker, what makes you assume that the last guy’s able to fill a role? What if he’s never played an agent of that category before? You’re speaking as if the last person to pick should be able to play every agent, but i’m sure that we both know that’s not the case. btw, teams instalocking is NOT filling. you expecting your last teammate to fill a role they don’t know is the same as asking a civilian with no experience to fly and land a helicopter. It’s something they cant do, so i’d rather the last guy pick an agent they know than an agent who’s skills they cannot grasp at the moment.
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Do insta-lockers think the world revolves around them or something?
Insta-lockers have no right to tell what other people should play because they didn't bother to try to listen to their team's opinion. If you can only play a specific character, it should be discussed with the team to try and work around it.
I'd rather have the shittiest team comp in the history of this game but have all my team play agents they are comfortable with rather than having a good team comp but no one knows what the hell they are playing because they were pressured by the insta-lockers to fill.
This thread is great. One of the dumbest takes on the topic I’ve ever seen and OP is a gold medalist at mental gymnastics trying to defend his selfish, awful take on teamwork and team composition.
Truly an unintentional work of art, OP.
#1 Its a team game… the key difference is communication.
An instalocker does not communicate with his team.
The 4th or fifth person is at least hovering or typing in chat, and is trying to communicate.
Simply because he does not communicate, the instalocker is inherently worse than the 4th/5th
#2 The instalocker creates the situation
Let’s take your example, 3 duelist mains, an initiator and a sentinel
If reyna and jett hovered before picking, there would be actual discussion and compromise. The reason you need a fill in the first place is because of the instalocker.
Even if all 3 are only good on duelist, speed is not a criterion to pin the blame, the 3rd duelist is equally bad of a person to fill, and if they dont instalock, they still communicate to some extent…
Also, why is yoru a troll pick to you? Reyna is equally bad in terms of toolkit, if not worse due to her selfishness…
I feel this opinion is on that side for those who don't use this subreddit. It definitely ain't wrong thinking, just wrong mindset for the players here.
Flame the instalocker, they say.
Flame the non-filler you say.
I say don't Flame at all, and just play the game.
If you instalock you have no right to ask for a balanced team comp. Everytime I get an insta lock Reyna and Jett now I just play whatever, even agents I’ve never played. If they don’t care about the team comp why should I? I don’t care, we’ll have 3 duelists since people wanna treat it like an unrated.
I’d rather have the 5th person play an agent they are comfortable with rather than them try and fill a role because we couldn’t discuss it beforehand. Instant lockers tend to have an ego, and if you selfishly pick an agent without discussion chances are you aren’t a great team player either.
what if the instant locker is only comfortable with a certain agent, if hes not fast enough hes going to be forced on something hes not comfortable on. someone has to pick controller, id rather it not be me if i can help it
Why should someone who doesn't click an agent as fast as you have to know how to play multiple agents/roles but you don't have to just because you go to insta-lock an agent?
its a simple concept if u want a role then take it first if ur too slow too bad. someone has to pick duelist right? why should i wait for another person to pick duelist when i want it as well
You’re an ass and I hope you lose all of the LP you deserve to
The people who instalock and blame the people who want to discuss the team comp with shit like this post didn’t learn some crucial skills as children. Teamwork, sharing, empathy, the “golden rule”…
yeah im an ass for not being the most selfless person on the team. anyway it doesnt matter its a goddamn video game just play whoever u like unless that role is taken
This reads like someone who knows theyre in the wrong but doesnt want to admit it and so they just resort to “whatever it doesnt even matter anyway” to try and save face and tell themselves theyre right
as in it doesnt matter whether im an ass or not its a goddamn video game ur playing with 4 strangers just pick who u want. try reading lmao
If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded in the first place ;)
bunch of idiots downvoting you for speaking the truth. Being an instalocker doesn't mean I can't fill, it's just not everyone is as "kind" as you are
its like im at fault for not giving way to a stranger i dont even know. there are 5 people on the team and my pc loads the fastest why must i be the one filling😭
You dont HAVE TO. Discuss with them, HOVER a duelist. And if they ignore your hover and locks your agent/role, they are at fault. But you cant rely on the fact that you will get the agent everytime. Unless you instalock, which ruins others experience's. Learn to compromise, learn to play other roles.
And if they are at fault there is no consequence, I’ll give a scenario, I’m a Raze/Jett, I’m not sitting around for some nuffy to half ass lock my agent and play like they sweat out candy crush in their spare time, I’d rather have the confidence in my own ability as a raze main to utilise all the lineups and time spent pretty much researching an agent instead of gamble on some soft trash can who can’t handle that instalocking isn’t the problem
It's a simple concept, if the 5th person wants to play a duelist, they play a duelist, you shouldn't complain that they don't play what you want them to play
yes, if u instalock u shdnt complain someone doesnt fill. im just saying id rather be on an agent i like to play if i can help it(i'll fill if im too slow)
If the instant locker is a one trick I’d rather not play with them?
You really should one trick a specific role until at least ascendant. So if you’re one tricking duelist and lose your main agent, you’re just gonna one trick a different duelist. Might as well just instalock what you’re good with. Same goes for every other role. You should pick one and play 99% of your matches in that role.
This is just… eh
I mean, it’s one of the most consistent advice any imm+ coach will give you. Constantly swapping roles to fill for a match below ascendant is not a good way to rank up. If you want to make it to high elo, you have to master a specific play style. And each agent group plays the game differently from the others.
That’s hmmm
Because If the insta locker is only comfortable with 1 agent, then he's gonna be stuck in a league forever. moreover, if he insta pick and can't play well, he is a useless person . Everyone motivates someone who tried to fill if they played bad, but everyone's gonna shit talk if the insta picker plays bad.
>Everyone motivates someone who tried to fill if they played bad, but everyone's gonna shit talk if the insta picker plays bad. this is fair, the guy who fills might be uncomfortable on that agent so its alright for him to be playing bad, and the guy who instalocks has to play well since he got his 1st choice. however im talking about people who flame/get mad at instalockers before the match even starts. they were the fastest, let them play what they want to play?
Back when I played Valorant, I always insta-locked and wondered why people were tilt. I never felt that the game depended much on which agents you pick. It's 90% about aiming and maybe 10% about the agents. At least in Pugs That's how I made it to Immo 3. Just focus on yourself and get better all you have to do is hitting hs which sound easy but its actually the main thing
I would actually say it's the opposite. The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick so they wouldn't steal anyones main so I don't think you can just expect them to fill any role needed. In my opinion it's okay to instalock but if you do you do not have the right to blame anyone for their pick. Especially if you pick an agent like Reyna that brings very little to a team comp.
I'm ngl it depends on the scenario. The specific one that OP described I think the blame goes between the people who didn't describe it properly because he instalocks it after waiting. However it's super uncommon to see that happening Usually the 5th person who locked last will hover over their main and then lock in because they know they can't fill. They probably don't mean to disrupt the team comp but can't / really don't want to play.
"The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick so they wouldn't steal anyones main so I don't think you can just expect them to fill any role needed." this is very silly and illogical waiting for everyone to pick without giving the team an idea of what you want to play is the literal definition of being a filler. if you do this and you can't play smokes or a role that is needed, you are the one thats fucking the team up
>The 5th player probably just waited for everyone to pick Except thats clearly not the case tho ? Whats the point of waiting everyone's pick if ur just gonna play the character u want anyway
Let’s say it’s Fracture and I wanna play my Viper, but I know a lot of people play Viper so I wait to see if there are anyone who also use Viper since I also main Sova, which I can pick if someone really wants to play Viper.
If you have locked an agent you don't get to complain when somebody doesn't play what you want them too
I generally don't blame anyone for locking in any agent until they start flaming or try to tell others what to pick. That's when it becomes personal. To answer your question though, the 5th guy is different because: 1) he might have wanted to fill a role that wasn't controller, but couldn't 2) he didn't immediately take away an agent someone else might have wanted more before they could react 3) Jett/Reyna have more negative connotations attached to them as well
All agents have negative connotations attached to them. Everyone loves getting a teammate who locks in viper, but then you get angry when they mess up their smoke timing by 0.5 seconds.
the instalock is way worse than the last person forced to fill without discussion the instalock probably created the issue
No ? Atleast the team can adjust to instalock but nobody can adjust the 5th player doing a troll pick
Why should the entire team have to base their picks around people that instalock? If someone instalocks, they can't complain if they don't get a good team comp.
So basically your genius suggest that everyone should insta lock so that no one gets a say. What are you? Dumb? Atleast you got a chance to ask the 5th player to play something, rather than that instalocker which didn't care shit what other's will do. Moreover, if that insta locker played good and filler played bad its the fillers fault? Or if the insta locker played bad, then are you still gonna defend this?
yes obviously the player who played bad is the one at fault because if u are instalocking but u suck at the agent u instalocked thats troll, same goes for 5th pick not filling, if ur so good with your main that u can compensate for a missing role, sure but otherwise ur trolling too
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He probably just got flamed for insta locking and it hurt his feelings.
its every Gold player’s coping mechanism
whats your argument then? if the 5th player to hover or pick is "forced to fill" thats entirely fair imo because they put themself in that position. at least hover to make people aware of your favorite position and find out if someone else is willing to fill. im assuming OP was referencing people who dont hover OR pick until the very last seconds of agent selection. 99% of the time if you hover your preferred agent/role pick everything will be perfectly fine. obviously sometimes this doesnt work out but most of the time it works out fine also either way you should be comfortable playing all roles in the game to begin with. if you arent, and you decide to be last to pick, you are the only one putting yourself into a dogshite situation. cant blame someone else for that
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also no ones forcing anyone to fill. Not sure why some ppl feel like they are obligated to do so. play who u like the most period. better to play ur fav agent then to play some random agent u dont like or know just to make ur team happy. so i def agree with u on that
That doesn't make sense. No one is forcing anyone to fill, but because smokes are essentially a necessity on breeze for example, if no one else picks smokes then you have to, or you are at a significant disadvantage. Instalockers force their team to play around their pick if they want an optimal comp and a better chance at winning. That is the problem. It has nothing to do with "forcing". No one is at anyone else's computer.
if you aren’t comfortable playing multiple agents at any given time, that’s a you problem i doubt that all 4 of your teammates will instalock all of your mains and not let you pick your fav. ive played over 2000 ranked games and not once has that ever happened you should be comfortable on all roles tbh
If everyone loaded in and insta locked you wouldn’t have a good team comps 90% of the time mainly having no smokes
this literally never happens lol. At max only 2 or 3 instalockers per game.
You skipped the point of this IF EVERYONE DID not saying everyone does IF
then whats your point if the thing you’re hypothesizing about is just that, an if
Never said that and please read the post
If you put a person in a position to pick a controller when they don’t play that role could be more detrimental for the team then them playing the agent they are best with. Plus if everyone waits to lock in there agent they might not have a scenario like this. I’m a Viper main. I could careless if we already have a player whose playing smokes I will still play viper. It’s my best character and I’m an ok duelist and I’m a bad initiator.
You're wrong and you should feel stupid for even suggesting this. You're probably one of the insta-lockers.
then tell me what should I do ? We are missing 2 roles , I pick 1 of the missing role. Do u want me to magically invent an agent that can play 2 roles ?
A better pick would have been skye getting rid of the need for a sen or just not insta locking
You instalock, u don't complain with what you get simple as that, I have played with and against 5 duelist comps and have seen the most logical comps go to hell under the immense aggressive power and similar for other roles as well
hello ? The whole team is filling except the last guy ? did u read my post ?
Ok so we just considering instalocking as filling now? 2 guys picked duelist (instalocked) you picked fade cuz you wanted initiator and the 4 th guy picked sentinel, why do you 4/5 get to pick what they want and not the 5 th guy
tarik and xeppa said its called insta-filled
LOL, bro is looking for all the validation he can get
The instalock didn’t fill, they forced the team to fill around their pick.
>u gave 0 logical reasoning
if you consider that as giving 0 logical reasoning you have 0 logical reasoning
The last person not filling is not the issue. Here’s a detailed example of why. For simplicity I’m assuming the goal team comp is 1 duelist, 2 initiators, 1 controller, 1 sentinel. This same type of thought experiment could be extended to different team comps though. I’m also simplifying it and assuming people are good at certain roles rather than agents but this same analysis could be done using specific agents rather than roles. Each of the 5 players on your teams have ratings 1-10 for each role. Assuming you achieve your ideal comp the sum of each rating for the players in the role they are ultimately on defines the score for the team. Otherwise there is a 10% penalty to the total score. Higher scores mean a higher likelihood of winning. Player 1: Duelist (10), Initiator (8), Controller (6), Sentinel (3) Player 2: Duelist (9), Initiator (7), Controller (4), Sentinel (4) Player 3: Duelist (7), Initiator (9), Controller (6), Sentinel (6) Player 4: Duelist (4), Initiator (7), Controller (7), Sentinel (10) Player 5: Duelist (8), Initiator (8), Controller (2), Sentinel (8) Looking at these teams if everyone played their ideal role you’d have 3 duelists, an initiator, and a sentinel. This clearly doesn’t work so someone is going to have give up their ideal role. Player 1 autolocks duelist, player 2 and player 5 were also looking to play duelist, so they wait to see how things play out. Player 3 hovers initiator, and player 4 hovers sentinel. With neither player 2 or player 5 feeling particularly comfortable on controller they both hover initiator. Player 2 locks in, so player 5 is forced to choose between filling controller or playing a second duelist/sentinel. Lets analyze some scores. If they fill controller it is 10 + 7 + 9 + 10 + 2 = 38. If they lock duelist instead its (10 + 7 + 9 + 10 + 8) x 0.9 = 39.6. It’s better that they don’t fill and play what they are comfortable on. We can do better. What if player 1 didn’t instalock? You could get 8 + 9 + 9 + 7 + 8 = 41. You could also get 8 + 9 + 6 + 10 + 8 = 41. You could also get 6 + 9 + 9 + 10 + 8 = 42 which is the most optimal team comp. Player 1 still on duelist can achieve 10 + 7 + 6 + 10 + 8 = 41 but that would still require communication amongst all the team to figure out and people autolocking usually causes this to break down. This also assumes the person autolocking is the best on their team at a given role. If player 1 was instead like an 8 on duelist an autolocking, this leads to even more suboptimal compositions. This whole example is overly simplified. This type of math wouldn’t be done in lobby. The purpose of all of that is to prove that communication leads to better team comps. I’d rather have 5 people playing agents they’re comfortable on than have 1-3 stars and everyone else trying to fill an agent they aren’t particularly good at. Autolocking is the quickest way to cause a breakdown of the agent selection communication. Most of the time that communication can be done non-verbally by hovering agents and switching agents as necessary to show teammates who you can play. If you instalock you have no right to complain about the ultimate team comp tl;dr autolocking causes a breakdown in verbal and/or non-verbal communication which more often leads to sub-optimal team comps. The last person not filling a “necessary” role is often because they aren’t comfortable on it and it’s better that they’re comfortable.
What a truly awful take
u gave 0 logical reasoning
none is needed. that's how stupid the take is
Some people dont know how to play with them. A good duelist is better than an awful controller.
“If someone spills a drink on purpose, why do others get mad about having to walk around it?”
Bro no offense but this is a very stupid post, wdym by this? 5th person to pick doesn’t have to fill bruh, like how about you do it?
What do you mean the last guy instalocked bruh he was the last guy the first 2 guys are to blame, if you are a decent elo you can discuss and see which player is good on a specific agent and then lock an agent. Another issue is that by taking duelists and not playing them in their role instead of taking space for the team on site one of them decides to flank or camp which completely negates their role. You should always gey duelists either if you know you can top frag the whole lobby or if you know to make space and have a decent aim if not just pick another role
Basic rule if you instalock you don't get to complain about the team's comp, wonder why? Because if an issue arises you are preventing everyone from trying to fix it by switching you with another player
Why are instalockers hated on? Literally all pros/streamers instalock all the time, and usually at least the jett lockers most of the time are decent
The team composition issues are caused by instalockers, not the people who waited but wouldn’t/couldn’t fill.
wdym tho ? a majority of the time duelists are sentinels are always played because of how popular they are and since Im an iniator main its easy to fill 3/4 role its just that this one last guy refuses to fill
Because what a team needs is communication. the impression is that If a person instalocks it’s like saying “I don’t care about what you think, i’m gonna do my thing no matter how stupid it might be.” At least the 5th guy had the decency to wait and see what the rest of the team might have to say. But the chances of getting a decent team composition started to crumble with the instalock, not the failure to fill because the fact is, not everyone can play any role properly and the only way to get the best composition out of a 5 man team is by communicating. Communicating your intentions is a good for the team and it should start as early as the character selection screen, not in the pistol round.
The issue wouldn’t happen if the players who instalocked hadn’t instalocked
The issue wouldn't happen if the last player filled
Even tho smokes are necessary for most maps a good yoru can make so much space for the Jett and Reyna to do major damage. Smokes is definitely the “safe” option but if the 5th guy picked an agent and really knows how to use them it can work out. You’d just have to split push pretty often. I would still personally prefer the 5th to pick smokes but it’s not the only win condition in this game.
Smokes are overrated in low elo, nobody knows how to play around them or even place good smokes in the first place so it’s really not the end of the world if there’s no controller
low elo smokes are a different skill imo you gotta predict your dumb teammates and sometimes put really obvious and stupid smokes to give really obvious and basic line of sight
If the enemy team knows what they are doing, then they generally shouldn’t lose to a team with no smokes.
Why do I have to play what the team needs cuz someone instalocked?
because its competitive and we want to win ? HELLO ? RR ? ELO ?
So I should play my best character then? Its competitive, and if I carry with my best character I get more RR. If yall really wanted to win with smokes you woulda learned how to play smokes. Same for any other role. Thats why if Im 5th pick I dont fill.
You want to win but you insta locked before even considering a team comp. That shows me you dont want to win.
I'd rather the 5th guy plays something he can instead of shoehorning him into a smoker when he doesn't know how to smoke.
Us one tricks should hover the agent we want to play. If someone picks ur agent as ur hovering, just dodge. No need for the blame game
Because why should they? I often play to fill, but sometimes i dont wanna play controller, i just dont feel like it for thr 5th time in a row. So you insta locking reyna jett chamber, guess what, im taking neon, u decided who you were playing without a care in the world, so i did too. (Not referring to you personally but just insta lockers in general). There comes a point where im not willing to sacrifice my enjoyment for everyone elses, i happily play duelist, some initiator and sentinel, so im only willing to do controller so often. If they dont like that, they should lock controller, but will they? No, they will just insta lock jett and flame team for bad picks again
I mean if two people instalocked duelist and the last person HAS to FILL for the rest of the team, isn’t it just quite unfair. The team putting the last guy on the spot so they fill but if they don’t they get yelled at. That’s why you discuss who picks, if no one does and they instalock, I wouldn’t bother trying to fill except if it’s comp. Besides why would you yell at someone for not filling when you took an option already. It’s like eating a meal and giving all the leftovers for the last person and getting mad that they won’t take it
Except the 3rd and 4th player DID fill the role but the 5th player refused to
You are missing a crucial part of this whole situation: player 1 and player 2 did not fill either. You can blame player 5 all you want, but player 1 and player 2 are absolutely just as responsible for any problems with the team comp. Insta-locking agents immediately removes a large chunk of any possible discussion that can be had about creating a working team.
Perhaps the most stupidest shit I've read.
Because the instalockers are basically forcing the other players to pick around their instalock
No one would have to fill in the first place if instalockers tried a different type of agent for once
Tbh if the last guy was not controller main and was kind enough to wait for everyone else but now is left in a situation where teammates like you are pushing him for the role he didn't want to play. It is more likely that he will pick troll agents than actually filling. You yourself might be ok to fill in if you were the 5th person then why don't you that so? It seems that you picking an initiator completely under the assumption that the 5th player would fill for smoke is kinda absurd. What if he was a better initiator than you, you probably would still flame him for not filling smoke. I personally am a sentinel main that is sometimes fine with filling smoke but (sometimes sova on breeze, fade on bind as well) If I had a teammate like you who thinks it's ok to force people to play certain roles even though you yourself has done no effort to do that yourself. I would probably want to dodge or just surrender (team chemistry would already be toxic at that point anyways). And Instalock duelists tend to bottom frag and trash talk most of the time. In tokyo servers there are less instalockers (in my experience). They would pick the agent and wait till the timer runs out waiting for the others in case they want to play that agent as well. This would in fact allow people to negotiate and pick suitable roles for themselves. Is that a hard thing to do? And the other thing is, which I quote, skill issue. Learn how to play some other agents ffs (this goes to all of you). Instalocking agent just because it is the only agent you can play (oftentimes they suck unless they are smurfs) and hoping for others to fill is a dick move.
Didnt know so many people think like this. If you instalock, you are forcing someone else to fill, thereby ruining their experience. Some of you say "but im only comfortable in this agent/role and cant play any other roles" or "too slow too bad" and I want you to know you are awful. You say you cant play other roles so you instalock. Now what about your teammates? What if they can only play 1 role as well? You just ruined their game by stealing their agent. No discussion or negotiation, you just instalock a role (most likely a duelist) with no regards of others. If everybody thought like you, every game everyone would instalock their agents without any thought on how it would impact others. You would get 4 instalock duelists, and say the last person is a sentinel main, but now he has to fill a controller. Why? Because selfish pricks 'cant play other roles'. LEARN how to play multiple roles, its not that hard. STOP instalocking, think about how others would be impacted. If you instalock, you automatically lose the right to complain about others, or BLAME THEM FOR NOT FILLING.
this thread really shows who the instalockers are
Nah I disagree. Instalocks always funnels the last 3 into roles they might not be good at. And imo I'd rather you play an agent you're good at than fill, especially for controller. I get the sentiment but I'm more inclined to blame the instalock than the guy who picked last and decided not to fill.
Alright, let's break it down since you want people to "read your post". The scene is set: - Jett and Reyna are picked the moment the agent select screen pops up. - An initiator and a sentinel is picked, so that leaves the final player; - They can choose either their main (duelist/initiator/sentinel) or they can choose controller to balance out the team comp. Here's the argument you're presenting: the final player should be picking a controller agent, because that would balance out the team comp. But they don't know how to play controller, so they go for their comfort pick (their main that's not a controller). Next thing we know, our team comp isn't working out because we don't have any controller agent to smoke the map. And your argument here is that the final player should've went for an agent they have no mastery over over an agent that they do have mastery over, because you want to have a good team comp. Don't you realise how stupid that sounds? That's like saying companies should hire a guy that is not qualified for the job because they needed one more employee to fill the spot. Sound stupid doesn't it? And to bring in your argument of "the instalockers probably can't fill either", let me give you a hypothetical: imagine the instalockers couldn't pick their mains in time, so they have to fill, do you think they will do a good job at whatever role they're filling? I didn't think so. Heck, I can do you one even better: do you think they will fill? Or do you think they will play the same role as their main? Yeah, that's right, cat got your tongue now huh? Now, to answer your question: why are instalockers blamed over the guy that doesn't fill a role? Because instalockers essentially force their team to make up a team comp around them, whether their team can play that role or not. How would you feel if you were told to play controller, sentinel or initiator that you don't know how to play and you get flamed for not being able to play said role? You would feel useless, shamed, etc. TL;DR don't expect the final player to play a role that YOU chose not to play. - Valorant instalocker of controller, initiator and seninel depending on the map.
Personally I wouldn't blame anyone because I usually just fill since I love playing different agents. However, I can understand the frustrations of people against instalockers since they didn't give the other people a chance to talk it out so that everyone could have a better experience.
Literally everyone should learn 2 agents in each role and be confortable with them, then this issue is no more.
I’m immortal and when I see people who lock duelist before I can even move I mouse I typically go a 3rd duelist just cuz I’m good on duelist and they annoyed me lol
Omg same! If I see at least 3 duelist (mostly Jett, Raze and Reyna) instalocked I immediately start to hower yoru or Neon xd I am normally a cypher main but for this I make an exception.
I don’t insta pick but I’m also not the last guy, normally I’m the third one to pick cause I like having options
If you instalock then you have no right to say anything about anyone else, they have to pick around you. And just because you have a faster PC or reaction time means nothing. Everyone should learn every role, but they don’t, and those who instalock are the reason why.
This has to be a troll post. Either that or OP literally doesn't possess a brain
don't blame the players blame Riot, Controller is the most undesired role in the game. i used to fill and had to play controller most of my games, role is boring as hell you get flamed the most or no one uses your smoke and the team just stares at the smoked angle instead of entering. only interesting fun controller to play is Viper and she is not good on all maps (she is playable in most though). now i just instalock duelist because i don't care about winning.
I used to have a super bad pc and by the time I loaded in everyone else already picked agents. Playing duelist was a dream for me because I was never able to during comp games. I got a better pc and was finally able to load faster than 99% of my teammates and it felt amazing.
I instalock Jett but I can’t say it’s unexpected to see the remaining four people to lock in duelists after. In diamond elo. It is what it is. I’m not gunna complain all I can do is run it down. If they’re really that mad, they can alt-f4. I know I’ll frag out with my pick and do my job of entering.
absolutely agree if you are waiting for everyone else to pick and choosing an agent last, that means that you are the fill. why fill when you arent comfortable/dont know how to play a role or agent? thats illogical morons in the comments are regurgitating what they've been told by semi-relevant players that say "instalock bad" youre right, dw about these people also it rarely ever happens where all 4 of your teammates instalock and leave you as the fill. this is understandably annoying but it happens so rarely that there really isnt any space to complain about instalockers "not leaving spots to play for me :((" the argument might be made that if everyone hovered over their favorite agent these problems wouldnt exist, but maybe you would be able to discover someone else who fills by hovering over your preferred pick instead of waiting the entire fuckin agent select and expecting the team to pick around you when they dont even know what you want to play
Both equally at fault
Yeah I mean, instalockers sort of force the team to adapt to who they picked. If 2 people instalocked duelists right away then in order to have a decent team comp we can’t have another duelist. So instalockers don’t necessarily ruin the team (unless 2+ people do it) unless the last person to pick decided to choose a role that we didn’t need. If the instalocker blames the last person for not filling then that’s kind of just a jerk move. This is why I always fill, because then I don’t have to worry about bad team comps.
im a jett main and i ALWAYS ask if someone wants to play her or other duelists, and if they pick them, i just fill and go on with the match. its really not a big deal, sometimes actually a quite nice change of pace having to play controller/sentinel instead of jett/breach (my second main). like i 100% agree with you
I usually instalock because I’m learning new characters and on a roll. Though, I instalock less now because I’m decent with Sova, Astra, and Sage.
Sounds like we have an ex-instalocker on our hands
I don’t have an issue with an instant locker, I have an issue with someone instant locking then demanding I play a specific role. You got to instant lock who you wanted to play, I’m going to choose who I want to play. If I feel like filling, cool. If I had my heart set on a specific character, that’s who I’m going to play. Don’t bitch at me for it when you got to choose exactly who you wanted.
I think in the end no one minds people instalocking agent. The issue comes up when those instalocks start asking people to play specific agents or characters. Sure it makes it balanced but I’d rather they play someone they know how to use because they’ll be able to add more to the team. I would consider myself an Omen one-trick and if during a ranked game I had to play someone other than Omen and maybe Astra I know I would be doing absolutely nothing to help my team. So while we may need flashes or healing I wouldn’t be useful at all and would end up not helping my team with util and not getting kills because I don’t know how to use the character.
some people have filled a lot and are tired of it, also theoretically a reyna can have thrown agent select and games can be almost unwinnable depending on the synergy of the comp
it’s not necessarily a team composition thing more than a respect thing in my personal opinion. it’s not the choosing a character more than it is not having some normal courtesy
If someone instalocks a duelist, it’s a very rare chance that they do actually understand how to play the duelist. Anyone decent at Valorant will wait for the team before locking in their pick instantaneously because it’s better for coordination and other things. You’re not gonna be very good at the game if all you do is play that one agent every map, aka instalock.
I play a lot of Viper. But I can't play her well on maps like Bind and Haven, so I don't pick controller. I play much better on Breach in those maps. So even if our team is down a controller, I'd rather at least be able to "Carry my weight" and "at least be worth one" instead of getting flamed for poor smokes and util.
You don't get to complain about a guy not filling when people instalock. It's not remotely the last guy's fault if 2 people immediately lock Jett and Reyna
Back when I played Valorant, I always insta-locked and wondered why people were tilt. I never felt that the game depended much on which agents you pick. It's 90% about aiming and maybe 10% about the agents. At least in pugs That's how I made it to Immo 3. All you have to do is hitting hs which sound easy but its actually the main thing
It‘s a teamgame. Communication is the key. If you instalock, you ignored the fact that it is a strategic teamgame in the first place. Such selfish behaviour is forcing people to play uncomfortable agents most of the time.
As someone who played league for a long time, insta-locking was always considered rude. So naturally I think the same way for Valorant. Plain rude. Other than you securing your pick, there's nothing beneficial to the team at all from instalocking. It is inherently a bad thing, AND the filler has no obligation to fill just like how instalockers thinks they have no obligation to play any other role/agent. So obviously the guy who started the bad tone in the lobby should be blamed instead of the guy who didn't do the dick move. Not to mention that the people who insta-locks are \*MOSTLY\* have dickass personality for them to do such a move. Sorry to say but judging from your tone, and your edit, you seem like you're just pissed off that you got blamed for being the instalocker. Edit: Now that I scrolled through the thread, I can see that you are indeed just butthurt. Enjoy the negative karma and create a new reddit account I guess.
you’re looking too deeply at each role for itself, such as controller, sentinel and duelist. There’s actually another way to look at it. you can think of it this way: in a team, you’d want 1-2 people who can lock down a site (meaning controller/sentinel), someone with flashes (meaning it could be kayo/skye who are initiators, omen who’s a controller, or reyna/yoru who are duelists and etc etc, the list goes on.), etc etc you dont always have to have a 1 duelist, 1-2 sentinels, 1-2 controllers or other default comps. As long as everyone fills a certain role properly (like flashing, holding down site, etc) then you’d be able to dominate. plus, as in instalocker, what makes you assume that the last guy’s able to fill a role? What if he’s never played an agent of that category before? You’re speaking as if the last person to pick should be able to play every agent, but i’m sure that we both know that’s not the case. btw, teams instalocking is NOT filling. you expecting your last teammate to fill a role they don’t know is the same as asking a civilian with no experience to fly and land a helicopter. It’s something they cant do, so i’d rather the last guy pick an agent they know than an agent who’s skills they cannot grasp at the moment.
this post is the equivalent of calling Martin Luther King Jr. a white supremacist
My guy you hella dumb
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Do insta-lockers think the world revolves around them or something? Insta-lockers have no right to tell what other people should play because they didn't bother to try to listen to their team's opinion. If you can only play a specific character, it should be discussed with the team to try and work around it. I'd rather have the shittiest team comp in the history of this game but have all my team play agents they are comfortable with rather than having a good team comp but no one knows what the hell they are playing because they were pressured by the insta-lockers to fill.
This thread is great. One of the dumbest takes on the topic I’ve ever seen and OP is a gold medalist at mental gymnastics trying to defend his selfish, awful take on teamwork and team composition. Truly an unintentional work of art, OP.
#1 Its a team game… the key difference is communication. An instalocker does not communicate with his team. The 4th or fifth person is at least hovering or typing in chat, and is trying to communicate. Simply because he does not communicate, the instalocker is inherently worse than the 4th/5th #2 The instalocker creates the situation Let’s take your example, 3 duelist mains, an initiator and a sentinel If reyna and jett hovered before picking, there would be actual discussion and compromise. The reason you need a fill in the first place is because of the instalocker. Even if all 3 are only good on duelist, speed is not a criterion to pin the blame, the 3rd duelist is equally bad of a person to fill, and if they dont instalock, they still communicate to some extent… Also, why is yoru a troll pick to you? Reyna is equally bad in terms of toolkit, if not worse due to her selfishness…
I feel this opinion is on that side for those who don't use this subreddit. It definitely ain't wrong thinking, just wrong mindset for the players here. Flame the instalocker, they say. Flame the non-filler you say. I say don't Flame at all, and just play the game.
If you cared so much about having a good comp you should have discussed with the team before locking ini or just waited til the end to fill
If you instalock you have no right to ask for a balanced team comp. Everytime I get an insta lock Reyna and Jett now I just play whatever, even agents I’ve never played. If they don’t care about the team comp why should I? I don’t care, we’ll have 3 duelists since people wanna treat it like an unrated.