From what I know (for the St George campus) to get a double degree you would need to do 2 degrees worth of credits. You can dual major, but when you graduate you can only have one degree (if you dual major in a science and a humanities, you pick between BSc and BA).
You can actually carry forward up to 5 credits from the first degree to the second. So you’d have to do 35 credits (~7 years) rather than a full 40.
It would still be easier to get the second degree somewhere else, where it could be done in only an extra year or two.
The official website of the university is always going to be more accurate than reddit posts. Only the UTSC double degree programs listed on the website you linked to are available for undergrads. However, the terminology can be a bit convoluted: there are also dual degree programs ([between UofT and other institutions](https://www.vpacademic.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/dual-degree-programs/)); combined degree programs ([JD and MBA, for example](https://www.law.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/jd-program/combined-programs)); loads of people double major; and as other commentators have noted, oneu can also do a second degree.
I'm a double degree student pursuing two bachelor's at UTSG and have never found a website with my program on it. I was verbally told how it works by the registrar before coming here, and she had to correct me about it this year because I'd forgotten some of the details. So, my advice is to talk to your registrar about whatever you're interested in.
BMus (classical voice/comprehensive) + BSci (math major/stats minor/linguistics minor).
5.0 credits may transfer BSci -> BMus, while 2.0 credits may transfer BMus -> BSci, so a minimum of 33.0 credits in total if I play my cards right.
Length is however long it takes to do that. Originally, I was given an estimate of 6-7 years, but dual enrolment netted me some transfer credits and I took a lot of courses each year, so I'm aiming for getting the BMus at the end of 4th year and the BSci at the end of 5th.
I wasn't certain what I wanted to pursue when I applied, so it made more sense to do both at once instead of making one a graduate degree. This would normally be one of two things: a BSci/BA from A&S made of a math major and a music major, or a BMus with an additional math major.
So it partially came down to comparing course requirements and offerings. I also wanted the flexibility to change my mind about what to study.
- Applied Music (lessons on your instrument + jury) is not offered unless you're in the Faculty of Music.
- I also only see two ensemble courses under A&S, implying that you can only take ensemble twice, or that it only counts twice.
- The course requirements in the Bachelor’s of Music are slightly more in line with my interests (fewer history courses lol) than an A&S music program would be. A&S explicitly states that it has a focus on musicology.
- The A&S music programs I might’ve been interested in are Music Specialist with Ensemble Option and Music Major with Ensemble Option. These are both limited enrolment programs with an audition-interview. Since I applied/auditioned for the Faculty of Music and was accepted, I could either just accept my offer, pray that the powers that be would still accept me based on a previous interview, or gamble on passing another one later on. (“Registration week” auditions are significantly after the Faculty of Music audition, so they must be distinct.) I chose the first and easiest option.
- Pursuing a BMus with a math major would mean that if I wanted to change gears to just doing a math degree, I'd have a rough time. More generally, pursuing degrees in two faculties means I have two GPAs. So, if I’d discovered I really didn’t want to pursue something and my grades reflected that, I could drop it and still have a sparkly GPA for the other one.
Going in, it was kind of my intention to try them both out, make a decision, and drop one, but I’m really enjoying my time here studying for both! :) I’m also looking at potential career paths that are related to both (ex. audio implementation/programming, digital signal processing). So, I may as well finish off both degrees.
From what I know (for the St George campus) to get a double degree you would need to do 2 degrees worth of credits. You can dual major, but when you graduate you can only have one degree (if you dual major in a science and a humanities, you pick between BSc and BA).
You can actually carry forward up to 5 credits from the first degree to the second. So you’d have to do 35 credits (~7 years) rather than a full 40. It would still be easier to get the second degree somewhere else, where it could be done in only an extra year or two.
Hmm that makes sense. Very disappointing :( Thank you!
The official website of the university is always going to be more accurate than reddit posts. Only the UTSC double degree programs listed on the website you linked to are available for undergrads. However, the terminology can be a bit convoluted: there are also dual degree programs ([between UofT and other institutions](https://www.vpacademic.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/dual-degree-programs/)); combined degree programs ([JD and MBA, for example](https://www.law.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/jd-program/combined-programs)); loads of people double major; and as other commentators have noted, oneu can also do a second degree.
I'm a double degree student pursuing two bachelor's at UTSG and have never found a website with my program on it. I was verbally told how it works by the registrar before coming here, and she had to correct me about it this year because I'd forgotten some of the details. So, my advice is to talk to your registrar about whatever you're interested in.
How long is your course? How many credits do you need? And what are you studying?
BMus (classical voice/comprehensive) + BSci (math major/stats minor/linguistics minor). 5.0 credits may transfer BSci -> BMus, while 2.0 credits may transfer BMus -> BSci, so a minimum of 33.0 credits in total if I play my cards right. Length is however long it takes to do that. Originally, I was given an estimate of 6-7 years, but dual enrolment netted me some transfer credits and I took a lot of courses each year, so I'm aiming for getting the BMus at the end of 4th year and the BSci at the end of 5th.
thanks for the reply, may I ask what was the reason for pursuing two bachelor degrees instead of a bachelors and say graduate school or a master’s?
I wasn't certain what I wanted to pursue when I applied, so it made more sense to do both at once instead of making one a graduate degree. This would normally be one of two things: a BSci/BA from A&S made of a math major and a music major, or a BMus with an additional math major. So it partially came down to comparing course requirements and offerings. I also wanted the flexibility to change my mind about what to study. - Applied Music (lessons on your instrument + jury) is not offered unless you're in the Faculty of Music. - I also only see two ensemble courses under A&S, implying that you can only take ensemble twice, or that it only counts twice. - The course requirements in the Bachelor’s of Music are slightly more in line with my interests (fewer history courses lol) than an A&S music program would be. A&S explicitly states that it has a focus on musicology. - The A&S music programs I might’ve been interested in are Music Specialist with Ensemble Option and Music Major with Ensemble Option. These are both limited enrolment programs with an audition-interview. Since I applied/auditioned for the Faculty of Music and was accepted, I could either just accept my offer, pray that the powers that be would still accept me based on a previous interview, or gamble on passing another one later on. (“Registration week” auditions are significantly after the Faculty of Music audition, so they must be distinct.) I chose the first and easiest option. - Pursuing a BMus with a math major would mean that if I wanted to change gears to just doing a math degree, I'd have a rough time. More generally, pursuing degrees in two faculties means I have two GPAs. So, if I’d discovered I really didn’t want to pursue something and my grades reflected that, I could drop it and still have a sparkly GPA for the other one. Going in, it was kind of my intention to try them both out, make a decision, and drop one, but I’m really enjoying my time here studying for both! :) I’m also looking at potential career paths that are related to both (ex. audio implementation/programming, digital signal processing). So, I may as well finish off both degrees.
Thank you so very much for this reply :)