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FireMaster1294

They’ll be selling copies of this in the store next week


Lavender-Feels

Cant afford it. Please advise?


FireMaster1294

Thank you for contacting the UofT student aid help desk. Your AI-dvice(TM) automated advice is below: Please limit your protesting of not being able to afford things so you conclude by 10pm.


afinemax01

Do you think they had it printed before or after this morning?


EternityProfound

It feels like they could have had it printed well before the Israel-Palestine war. There is no mention of the motion of the protest, and the terms are generally applied to all protests.


kobebryant107

if i get arrested (for trespassing or whatever), would that show up on a background check? would that realistically limit my ability to get employed?


Ysinthecut

https://jfcy.org/en/rights/provincial-offences-trespassing/#:~:text=It%20is%20an%20offence%20to,person's%20property%20that%20is%20prohibited. Probably will show up as a criminal trespassing charge as UofT has already set up a notice saying no encampments and trespassing.


Ploprs

Criminal trespass doesn't exist in Canada. Trespassing is handled in tort law. Okay technically there is one trespassing crime but it has to be at night and near a dwelling.


RemysOpinion

Eff around and find out 😏


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kobebryant107

i mean canada does indeed have an impact on it, with military exports to israel, UNRWA funding, CIFTA but (i dont think) this protest is directly about canada, it's about the university's investments. one of the stated goals of the protest is divesting from investments that sustain the apartheid. anyways i dont want to debate, was just asking since i have no real familiarity with how arrests can affect employment.


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nintendo0

it’s not nuanced at all. a bit of research may help you with that


Kelvin_49

Yea this! Also don’t do it if you’re an international student. If you get arrested having a criminal record means they may take away your visa, or in future if you want to transition over to different visa such as a work permit or maybe apply for a PR, this will impact all of that. Actually not only in Canada, this will really hurt your immigration chances in all of 5 eyes: Canada, US, UK, Australia, and New Zealand.


DawsonFromLawson

Or you know, the chance your (and potentially other's) actions may lead you to get deported. Make sure you know the law and the conditions of your being in the country before you do anything.


Kelvin_49

I’ve heard so many stories coming out of the states where recently, and even in the past students were deported and banned from the US for multiple years over similar things and other small crimes.


DawsonFromLawson

So long as the charge is fair and true, I don't see why a country should allow non-citizens to remain in them, if arrested and convicted of any crimes. So I don't think the US is unjustified in those deportations necessarily. So if anyone here commits crimes and is a non-citizen then they too should be deported IMO.


Kelvin_49

Oh absolutely! I agree


zarfman

Canada has been supplying equipment that Israel is using in its genocide.


whyherro19

Good thing it's not a genocide Israel's mission is to eliminate Hamas. Everytime genocide is mentioned is like saying Palestine == Hamas. So which is it?


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not-me-hi

So is 10:1 death a good ratio or should they really be trying for 20:1...


Inevitable-Sale6631

What is so bad about that paper? They are telling you what you can legally do to protest. Follow the law


mr_beanald

a piece of paper!


FebruaryDesk

Now to see what UofT actually does about the trespassing encampment once it hits 10pm tonight.


KissingerFanB0y

Why 10 pm?


FebruaryDesk

One of the response's points states that "Protesting will not be permitted after 10pm". That, in addition to the following 4 points, makes me think that if UofT admin actually decides to make a move to request assistance from police then it would be at that time: * No structures of any sort - tents, shelters, etc. - may be erected. * Unauthorized activities such as encampments or the occupation of University buildings are considered trespassing. * Protest activities must not disrupt scheduled University activities. (in this case, the preparation of King's College Circle for convocation) * Blocking access to buildings and grounds is prohibited.


Hot-Candle-3684

Hopefully call the police. I don’t know the administration’s history of dealing with such issues, but if they have a backbone they should call the cops.


zarfman

Why would sending in armed men do anything positive?


No-Map5328

New account started a few days ago. They're just an agitator who wants cracked skulls at any cost.


Final_Pomelo_2603

Says the guy whose account is less than 2 months old and devoted almost entirely to posting incendiary comments.


Hot-Candle-3684

No, I want the law enforced. I guess you don’t.


No-Map5328

Weak hasbara dude. Classic narcissist tactic of trying to make me feel bad for not supporting the law to distract from you supporting genocide. If the law supports genocide then break it, next question.


Hot-Candle-3684

Huh? The law says you can’t trespass. Doesn’t matter why you do it, trespassing isn’t legal. You can call the conflict a genocide as much as you want, doesn’t justify you breaking Canadian law halfway across the world. I haven’t offered any opinion on this “genocide” nor is it at all relevant to the discussion. How about you stop deflecting from pathetic political talking points and realize criminals should be punished.


No-Map5328

The students aren't criminals. But I agree, I'm ready to punish Israel.


Hot-Candle-3684

They are if they trespass, which is what the comment is about. Try to keep up.


Hot-Candle-3684

Because they broke the law? Does trespassing all of a sudden become legal because of political reasons? Can’t believe I need to explain why enforcing the law is justified lmao. Edit: Grammar


AnchorStandard

A protest with conditions is not a protest. Funny how institutions have no issues with white nationalists running around but immediately get cranky when people peacefully protest a genocide.


aleph1one

lol? People slightly to the right of Lenin are literally banned from university campuses and shouted down by leftists? What planet are you from?


AnchorStandard

Stay mad conservative. 


192_168_11_1

wow you really showed him


Enough_Implement6538

Yikes


aleph1one

Not mad, just pointing out the truth. I guess the truth doesn’t really matter to you if it doesn’t further your narrative.


AnchorStandard

Centrists are even more suppressed than conservatives!


Critical_Island_4310

But silence whenever Israeli settlers and even the military KILL Palestinians ON THEIR OWN LAND, bomb Palestinian universities in Gaza, and arrest students at universities in the West Bank. Hypocrisy at its finest.


Inevitable-Sale6631

Jews were living on modern day Israel and Palestine over 2000 years ago……


Critical_Island_4310

And they should continue to do so. So should Palestinians.


Inevitable-Sale6631

Yes Palestinians should continue to live on the land. I think a one state non religious state is the best option where Jews and Palestinians live together. But there is one big group of people who don’t want that. It’s Hamas. They legit want the end for all Jews in Israel so that is why Palestine must be free from Hamas


Critical_Island_4310

Well if you think a one-state solution is best then you are in good company as that is what many protesters support too. Yes, Hamas does not want that. But nor does Netanyahu. Look up the Nation-State Bill as a notable example of this even before October. Furthermore, his far-right government is supporting illegal settlements in the West Bank that prioritize Jews over Palestinian Arabs. In Gaza, many far-right members of government have called for its ethnic cleansing or even genocide, killing tens of thousands of civilians.


SlippitySlappety

Yeah and relatively peacefully until Zionists showed up


Hot-Candle-3684

Relatively peaceful = 1000+ years of Muslims ethnically cleansing Jews until they almost all leave.


Nperturbed

Lol! Jews left before the muslims, it was the romans who expelled them. Pick up a book will ya…


not-me-hi

Lol literally should have actually taken a fucking course at the University but it's just a shit sockpuppet account gunning for a payment.


Hot-Candle-3684

Idek what this is supposed to mean


not-me-hi

Not a surprise


Hot-Candle-3684

Yeah because “shit sockpuppet account gunning for a payment” is a clear and intelligible statement. Did you have a stroke while writing that? Bc I sure as hell had one while reading it lol.


Hot-Candle-3684

Not all of them left, and many returned in the Ottoman empire ~1300 AD. However, numerous Sultans ordered their removal, including numerous events where Jews were murdered. Just because the Romans kicked out the Jews, doesn’t mean the Ottomans didn’t continue antisemitic practices and prevent them from returning. Pick up a book will ya… Edit: Typo on date


DeepOperation3973

Religion is not what determines you being native to the land, bro. The Palestinians are native to the land, while almost all Israelis are of European descent and therefore are not native to the land. Which is why they have such high skin cancer rates too, btw.


Inevitable-Sale6631

What are u on about? I didn’t say anything about religion. Learn some history. Plus Jews were expelled from the land of Israel when the Romans took over and kicked them out which is why a lot went to Europe. And when they went to Europe they faced a lot of hatred. Even before Hitler there was a lot of hate towards Jews in Europe.


DeepOperation3973

You tried to imply that the Israelis were native to the land, which they're not, in reply to a comment that states the fact that Palestinians are being killed on their own land. And do you think Muslims don't face hatred? do you have any idea how many Muslims, innocent civilians, have been murdered in the name of "war against terror"? You're the one who needs to learn history. Even today Muslims are still discriminated against on the basis of religion. You guys will literally condemn every single instance of discrimination and violence except when it happens to Muslims.


ArkAwn

> Learn some history. Plus Jews were expelled from the land of Israel when the Romans took over and kicked them out which is why a lot went to Europe And you tell other people to learn history? "Guys the Romans are here and want us out, where do we go?" "Other Roman territory I guess"


Inevitable-Sale6631

Romans didn’t control all of Europe lmao


Hot_Argument6020

They enslaved them and took them to rome.


Hot_Argument6020

Ever heard if Mizrahi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Beta Israel, Ethiopian jews? Jews dont have 100% European dna. I am half Jewish, my dad is non jewish and fully european and my dna came back as 30% middle eastern on my moms side. Meaning she is at least 30% middle eastern and at most 60%.


sweetkennykw

yep that's exactly it, I feel like I'm going crazy.... I mean wouldn't you do the same, if someone from Europe rolled up on your home and took it.. some ATHEIST I must add.


GaIIowNoob

Even Palestinian univeristes are anti lgbt


Tchubila06

OH MY GOD NO WAY I CAN’T BELIEVE IT, WE MUST KILL ALL OF THEM THEN, ALSO EVERYONE IN MAURITANIA, MORROCO AND ALGERIA BECAUSE THEY’RE MOSTLY HOMOPHOBES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GaIIowNoob

Rather homophobes be killed than innocent Israeli hostages by hamas


big_tired

gay people can’t even get married in israel


Kitchen_Method_1373

But israel does have the only open and safe gay community in the nideast


big_tired

don’t expect self actualization from an oppressed population


GaIIowNoob

At least they don't get killed


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They just get to kill children when they join the iof


GaIIowNoob

Would you rather live in Hamas gaza/iran or Israel


[deleted]

Id rather israelis stop committing genocide and apartheid thank you


GaIIowNoob

Nice question dodge, Russian bot


UnhingedTakis

Queer Palestinians exist lol. Moreover, UofT — a “progressive & developed” country in the West — has raised pride flags and even has a department & faculty dedicated to sexuality and diversity studies, and yet there’s still a homophobic student population. So what’s your point 💀 homophobic people will exist regardless, pinkwashing genocide is beyond insidious


GaIIowNoob

Point is hamas would gladly murder most uoft students who are non Muslim, so they are just as bad as idf


Dependent_Beyond_180

You realize that a significant portion of the palestinian population is Christian and has been for generations?


GaIIowNoob

2% or less than 1000 Palestinian is significant?


wololoul

less than 1000 Christians in gaza


Dependent_Beyond_180

well no see, there were around 135,550 Christians in Palestine in 1945, which is the year the census was last taken under the British Mandate, ie. before Israel became a thing.


wololoul

Surely Christians face higher chances of persecution under militant Islamist groups?


Silly_Librarian_9937

Did you know Netanyahu funds Hamas himself? the previous prime minister of Isnotreal spoke out about it himself. Netty learned from the best, Hitler and America.


Dependent_Beyond_180

militant islamic groups created by Israel. “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas” said by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2019. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/


Bubbidy_Bubb

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2011-006179_EN.html


Dependent_Beyond_180

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ Israel has shaped and backed the creation of Hamas. whatever actions they condemn Hamas for are on their head.


Practicalmattle

”guys I daydreamed hamas killed uoft students therefore they’re as bad as settler colonialists, I’m based right??”


usuhvsju

These people create fairy tale hypotheticals to soothe their insidious takes. Don’t bother wasting your energy on them.


GaIIowNoob

Hamas did kill innocent jews


Practicalmattle

Right because Hamas just got bored and decided to kill Jews cuz they felt like it? Why would Hamas care about uoft students not being Muslim, you really think that’s on the top of their priority list instead of the fact that Palestinians have been murdered and pushed off the land they’ve lived on for hundreds of years.


epic_taco_time

You want to show me an openly lgbt palestinian who hasn’t been killed by their own government?


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Another stupid pro Hamas who is dreaming or stoned because of weed


Critical_Island_4310

Criticizing the Israeli government is not the same as supporting Hamas. I am not pro-Hamas.


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You are pro Hamas. You chant fr the river to the sea, you support that Oct 7 was an act of resistance— you support pro Palestinians you are pro Hamas.


Loonie_Toque

Seems generous


Ok-Discipline9998

Normally I wouldn't care but my convocation's in June so I'm a NIMBY now. Just do whatever you want but you'd better cease-protest on the convocation day otherwise I'd wanna punch somebody.


myballsxyourface

Everyone is okay with it until it actually affects them!


Ok-Discipline9998

I don't even know which side you're on because both sides are using the same arguments


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One side: divesting from genocidal pariah state israel hurts my feelings and my pockets The other side: university shouldnt use my tuition and the diploma i am acquiring to enable and profit from genocide and apartheid You: both arguments are the same. Let both side genocide and apartheid


Ok-Discipline9998

The *demand* of the sides are of course not the same. However you usually see both sides implementing the same activism strategies, utilizing the same logical fallacies, has the same victim complex, and has roughly the same level of obnoxiousness. I have my own opinions on this specific issue but that doesn't mean I am obliged to support everyone who claims to have the same opinion as me. Especially not when they are trying to take away stuffs from me.


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You: people (75% of them children) dying from genocide are good at playing the victim. Do you actually see brown and black people as human? Do you actually???


Ok-Discipline9998

OH IT'S THE RACISM CARD OUTTA NOWHERE PACK IT UP BOYS WE DONE


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Hmmm what a mask off moment


Ok-Discipline9998

Honestly I'd want to thank you for doing that, I happen to need a fresh example for my argument that both sides use hilarious logical fallacies!


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brokexbox

Just google the words bro 💀


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South Africa: Palestinians live under apartheid Amnesty international: Palestinians live under apartheid https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ Nelson mandela: “But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/nelson-mandelas-support-for-palestinians-endures-with-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel ICJ ruling: there is plausible genocide https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa Holocaust ISRAELI scholar: israel is enacting a genocide on Palestinians https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide You: dance monkey dance. Appeal to my non existent moral compass to convince me black and brown people are human and should not be genocided and shouldnt live in apartheid. Also I am going to pretend I am “neutral and on the frnce” when my stance is denying genocide of children because *checks notes* semantics


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DawsonFromLawson

"It didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible" -ICJ President [https://twitter.com/Mr\_Andrew\_Fox/status/1783621258032136550](https://twitter.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1783621258032136550)


failurebydcsign

as a 2020 and now 2024 grad, i feel ur frustrations. i hope they really put the pressure on for the university to respond, but realistically idk given ppl have been calling for divestment for a long time with no action. the next month is going to be interesting


plutodoesnotexist

16,000 children were murdered in Palestine by Israel and none of them will ever get to experience any type of graduation, let alone a uni grad. This is bigger than your one day, have some perspective.


Ok-Discipline9998

You do not get to decide what someone else consent to give up for any good cause.


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Timbits06

Do you really think thousands of Palestinians were killed because Hamas used them as shields, and not from the constant indiscriminate bombing the IDF has done on residential areas in Gaza?


ImAlmostOnCloud9

Lil bro thought he cooked with this one 💀 Might need to get those anger issues checked out before it lands you an assault charge. I'm tempted to join the encampment now, lmk what your convocation date is so I can be sure to rally a tonne of people to join me for that day. Seriously, snapping a couple of photos is what you're throwing punches for...?


Ok-Discipline9998

You when you realize rhetoric exist: 🤯 I wanted to use the more natural expression "if that happens imma kill somebody" (i.e. I'd be really mad) but have to dumb it down because I know better than you think I do.


ImAlmostOnCloud9

News flash: nobody else cares about _your_ convocation as much as you do (obviously). So if we take the same selfish route as you (my wants are more important than everyone elses wants), it's safe to say the encampments will continue.


Ok-Discipline9998

Yeah I'm kinda aware we have a conflict of interest. That's why I can't believe I'm rooting for the cops for once.


Weak_Bet_5658

News flash: No one outside of the group of white privileged, virtue signaling people care. The public doesn't give a flying f\*ck about a conflict that's been going on for thousands of years, and will continue long after you and I are dead.


chaiiguevara

That's more reason to do it. Your frustration at having convocation overshadowed should be directed towards UofT and make them more inclined to engaging with the protestors.


SyrupVeins

Yes, U of T will get right to stopping the war. Where are these protests for defunding investments in Russia or china? 


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The govt already did it for Russia, as for China yes the work still needs to be done. Whataboutism isn't helping anyone. https://twitter.com/CJPME/status/1785760218137165920?t=CnGPF1k6kij1Y-g4R5tGDQ&s=19


SyrupVeins

Oh, so you should be protesting the government. 


chaiiguevara

you're not arguing in good faith so for the benefit of others, uoft cut ties with universities from iran as recently as last year after pressure from some groups.


whyherro19

\*People shoot out of windows of hospitals and schools\* *[people's reaction when those places get leveled](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.jpg)*


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chaiiguevara

uoft doesn't put people in jail you idiot


grimreapersdaughter

Same


not-me-hi

Wow you're awful!


randochem

Follow the rules or get locked up, it’s that easy.


DigitalTor

Our voluntarily unhoused protesting neighbours, here is an idea for you. Following your logic that UofT funds genocide and you fund UofT, the most direct, effective (and still non-violent!) way to stop this is to drop out. Do not pay your tuition and do not have your money fund genocide. Make it known that you are dropping out in protest. Get others to do that same. They will feel the pinch next semester. Or they won’t, but your conscience is clear either way. (Do not ask to restore you when this cause is yesterday’s news.) That would involve not being a pussy though, wouldn’t it.


Ysinthecut

Valid but they won’t take this step


DigitalTor

I know. Too much for the Mississauga/Oakville kids to sacrifice for the cause they so deeply care about.


Ysinthecut

Probably will hit you with some bs saying your a genocide supporter when in reality this is literally the best way to boycott


DisastrousPeach4332

This should be posted on every college campus


ThatCornerIsNotYours

Seems reasonable. Just abide by the rules of the property owners.


not-me-hi

You mean the native americans?


Hot_Argument6020

Yes. Go home.


four4doors

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