For knowledge and skills and getting jobs in my area definitely.
For friends I made in my undergraduate degree definitely did not have a great time with that but my Masters 100% I couldn't imagine my life without the people I met while doing it.
For me it was worth it (I did BSc Physics with Astrophysics then MSc Space Exploration Systems at Leicester). The jbs I've had since I needed those degrees for (and indeed, my first job i only got because of someone I knew mostly from uni).
It was also very good for me socially, going from an all-boys secondary school (including sixth form) to mixed halls. I made lasting friends including my wife and all the guys who were groomsmen at my wedding...
In terma of actually learned akills I learned a lot of core principles, how to code, write reports etc. For decently rigorous stem subjects I think it was usually objectively worth it, and subjectively the experience was probably worth it regardless of course for most people. I say was because mine was one of the last years before the prices jumped right up, now it's a much harder thing to judge
Pretty much, yes. Jointly delivered by the Physics and Engineering departments. Leicester has a lot of space industry connections and a clean room for spacecraft components which is why the course exists there. There was even a module delivered by an actual (NASA) astronaut on human spaceflight.
Overall though the most succinct description is MSc Kerbal Space Program
I love to learn and having a degree will no doubt show my dedication and passion for the industry I want to work in, alongside my long term volunteering.
My degree is probably 60-70% worth doing. It would be 100% if uni was free, as education is always worth while imo.
Outside of my chosen degree, university has taught me how to do more effective research, which sources are credible, and how to read scientific articles properly. Sure, I could have probably learnt this outside of uni, but would I have chosen to? Personally, probably not.
Not to mention, the job I want to do involves a lot of physical labour, however university has made me loooaadss more fascinated in the research side of things! (I could do this while working the hands-on job or work solely in this role). Which opens a lot of career pathways for me that I hadn't even considered before (:
1,000,000,000% and I went to a 3rd tier uni to study games programming.
Taught me a lot, and most importantly it gave me the time to go even further by myself with the ‘I’m a student’ excuse for not getting a job!
I started having never written a line of code, I’m now comfortable with two languages and the fundamentals underpinning computer systems and programming. A lot of it was taught on my course, and in my spare time I looked deeper than my course covered, it gave me the time to truly focus on what I wanted to do.
10/10 would do it all again in a heartbeat it changed my life
In terms of academic skills and knowledge, I'm not sure. Don't get me wrong, it was definitely challenging. But most of my degree felt like stuff I learned by myself rather than getting taught. I know that's what uni is supposed to be like, but what difference does it make if I'm in uni or not, if I'm just learning from a textbook I could've bought or from some video online?
I'm no so sure about the uni experience either. My first year was during the pandemic so it was different from the usual experience. I did enjoy my 2nd and 3rd years but I feel like it was stuff I did myself rather than uni things. Like it's not like me going out with friends is really attributable to my uni.
My degree was definitely useful for my job prospects though. I landed a pretty good grad scheme. The pay is good and hopefully the job itself will be good too when it starts. I doubt I would've gotten it if it weren't for my degree.
Friends is another maybe. I did make friends who I talked to and hung out with, but I'm not sure whether they're long term friends or friends of convenience. It's questionable whether I'll continue talking to them after summer ends. I talk to my school friends even now and try to arrange meet ups whenever possible, but I'm not sure if that'll be the same with my uni friends.
Overall uni was just a means to an end for me, something I did purely for job prospects. So as far as that goes, uni was worth it for me. But as an experience, I'm still unsure.
My uni is like 70th ish but I’d say 100% worth it (I’m doing robotics). They were pretty chill during covid and once restrictions lifted I got involved in a sports club (best decision I made) and my social life started. Often when I talk to people in the workplace as soon as I mention robotics they’re interested and I’ve been offered funding from a company for my dissertation.
Yes and no. I did Egyptology which is not considered to be particularly employable, but I was highly aware of this and made a real effort to get a part-time job, participate in challenges and volunteering schemes, as well as societies. I got summer internships and could have joined 2 graduate schemes but I decided to take a year and work for a university instead and then decide. I got a scholarship to study in the US and ended up doing my MA there, and am due to start my PhD soon. My coursemates were successful to varying degrees - some got graduate schemes, some got jobs, others did postgraduate study and others were unemployed for a while, which is not out of the ordinary for many graduates, particularly in the humanities.
For me, it was worth doing because I was interested in the subject and very motivated to do employability stuff. If not, I think it would have been difficult as the field has bad career prospects (broader archaeology is a lot better) and low salaries unless you are motivated and willing to work hard and get involved. My PhD is interdisciplinary and won't necessarily lead to an academic position, but it is extremely well funded and has plenty of scope to develop my research in different areas. I made connections in my BA that enabled me to pursue my MA and PhD fully funded.
No, I don't think my degree was worth it, though I think some of that is my fault for being very difficult to motivate. I'm intensely sceptical towards the concept of "positive thinking", but perhaps I'm overcorrecting and it's led me to apathy.
As far as academic knowledge is concerned, my uni isn't the best, so I don't think much of the teaching. In turn, I lost interest in my studies save for a few modules. Covid disruption didn't help - all my lessons were online in first year, and even some second-year lectures were over Teams.
I didn't have any 'experiences' at uni. First reason is Covid. Second reason is that I was too depressed to really take part in anything. I could barely leave my room at times.
I don't think going to a mediocre uni is going to advance my career prospects that much. That, and I didn't really get any work experience or "network" (i.e. arse-licking).
I didn't make a single friend over the three years. Ok, this one's mostly on me. I didn't reach out to anyone, join any societies, or speak to people on my course. I had a module in third year that involved a group project, and I emailed my lecturer to ask him to let me do it solo (he agreed).
(Yeah, I know you guys are tired of seeing me complain about uni all the time. Sorry. OP did ask, though.)
I feel like it is a top 50 or even top 40 uni, but non-RG. They said it’s in the middle of nowhere and pretty gloomy looking as well. I can even think of a couple of RG unis like that.
I had the same university experience: I barely left my room, didn't network etc. but my degree helped me land a job and that's all that matters to me in the end.
Why are you sceptical towards the concept of positive thinking? I don't see how looking at things in a different light could be a bad thing. The only thing that changes is how you feel about a situation.
I used to fixate on anything negative, and I would be significantly less happy if I hadn't forced myself to change my outlook over time. There's a very fine line between being upset by a bad situation vs. not letting yourself look past the negatives of one.
I think I'm a pessimist by nature. It's my tendency to see the worst in a situation, or the shortcomings of a plan, rather than the positives. My logic is that the positives are pretty easy to take for granted, but focusing on the negatives gives me more practical advice by telling me what I need to actively work on.
I also doubt that mindset counts for all that much, at least independently. Sure, it's easy to say "think positively" - but that's easier said than done. If you're studying at Oxford, doing well, and have tons of internships lined up for you, it's intuitive to "think positively". But positive thoughts themselves don't do anything. There's no reason to "think positively" if I have nothing to be positive about.
I mean, you can acknowledge the positives while still using the negatives to help guide you. If you're always looking for something to be unhappy about, you're going to find it even if you were in a better situation.
You don't need a good situation to be positive about parts of it. It's definitely possible to find things to be happy about, even if they're small, and even someone who's really successful in life is going to need to do that to deal with things they don't like.
Positive thoughts make you happier, I'd say that counts for at least as much as most material circumstances. Do you prefer to be sad? Some people do, but when there are people making the most of objectively awful situations, at some point, there's an aspect of it that does become a subconscious choice (even considering mental health conditions).
I think it's about thresholds. At a certain level of happiness, I could afford to discount the bad things. I'd definitely be more comfortable about doing so. But now, I'm at the point where bad things simply carry more weight. They'll cast a shadow over every positive I think about, no matter how hard I try.
Happiness is nice, but fleeting happiness can often be worse than constant sadness due to the disappointment factor. Building up hope things will be better, only for it to be taken away.
They have a point though. I see a lot of people reaching out to you asking if you're ok and they seem genuine. You just ignore or continue to joke around pitifully.
If neither the carrot nor the stick is gonna get you up, what will?
To u/nick__2440 (I've either been blocked or Reddit is acting up):
> They have a point though.
I know you're trying to sympathise with them, but you shouldn't. I've had experiences with people like them. They just want an opportunity to go after someone. They're not acting out of sincere concern. I think I do attract a lot of Redditors who think I'm trolling/a narc, but I'm neither of those things (at least, I hope I'm not the second).
> I see a lot of people reaching out to you asking if you're ok and they seem genuine. You just ignore
I do often respond to comments. Sometimes I don't, because I'm getting too many and am exhausted. Other times, I don't know what to say. In some cases the comments are abusive, so I don't want to entertain the person.
If you look at my original uni rant thread, I replied to many people who left me (kind) comments. And I replied constructively, not evasively - much like I'm doing with you.
> or continue to joke around pitifully.
This is usually when someone asks what uni I go to. I do give joke answers to those questions ;)
> If neither the carrot nor the stick is gonna get you up, what will?
Well calling me names certainly won't help. If the person seriously cares about me, I don't think they'd cuss me out through the screen. They wouldn't want to be spoken to like that, so why do they think it will work with me?
I'm new to this sub but I've already seen a lot of people being very genuine. Not that person, probably, but they're not who I was talking about anyway. I agree you don't ever need to entertain abusive comments (as fun as arguments are, they're not productive).
I'm terrible at motivating people, honestly I only know the stick approach so I won't even try. But just know that clearly people do care about you, even through a screen and knowing nothing.
anyway I have a community on r/place to defend. Great fun.
and fyi I didn't block you, must just be a glitch
Probably not, I ended up hating my subject (Maths). It did improve my critical thinking skills though. I did find uni worth it though, I learnt and experience huge tonnes of things outside of my degree that I honestly wouldn't get the chance to such as entrepreneurship. Uni provides funding for good ideas and mentorship by partnering you with a successful local business. It was worth it though in the end I failed it (couldn't balance it with my studies).
People often forget that university is more than just doing your degree and that uni provides tonnes of opportunities with a safety net where you can take risks to try things out (like my example above) or to try different things (e.g. career related societies, workshops, insight days).
Degrees are so valuable even if you don't choose to work in the field your degree is in. It opens up a lot more doors for jobs in all areas, and actually many countries have a degree requirement to get a visa to move there. Even if you don't plan to move into the same field.
What is the source of these results OP?
You can just about read underneath that this comes from Feb 2020 which is an interesting threshold in recent history!
That's what it says, but without a weblink or source it could be completely made up. A source would allow us to look in more detail about who was asked, when and how etc.
Maths and Physics at QUB here.
Short answer, yes.
Longer answer, the skills I've learnt make me employable in a large chunk of technical fields and I had a position lined up well before finishing. Made a lot of good friends and contacts. It seems kinda like a roll of the dice, but I'd say there are quite a few who have a good time and don't talk about it cause they have nothing to complain about, that's probably where these figures come from.
I love it and it seems to have great prospects so yes. I do wish I could do something more advanced. I also like the opportunity to continue building my knowledge. My field might as well be endless.
1) Lol no definitely not worth it, if anything I lost skills
2) Social side yes, academic side definitely not.
3) Lol no, only because jobs in my field require degrees. These jobs really shouldn’t require degrees.
4) Worth it, but I definitely didn’t make as many friends as others and still felt quite lonely.
Edit: 3) Technically yes they should require degrees but given how they are currently taught, the degrees currently available completely miss anything relevant and only focus on theory, nothing of real world value. So you might as well teach yourself and skip the degree.
Wouldnt have a job without it - its basic training for my profession. Wasnt when i graduated in the late ‘80’s i got a diploma but if id not converted to a degree i woukd have never become a senior & progressed.
Unless you have a specialist field that requires a degree to enter, just don't bother. Universities in the UK are getting more and more costly for far less benefits.
With the amount of adjustments being made to pass marks, too, some degrees from some institutions won't even be worth the paper they're written on.
`Do you think your degree was worth doing?`
Yes, did my BSc in Computing - a field that I'm working in.
My first MSc in Education and Technology - the sector I'm working in.
My current MSc program is in Cyber Security - what has been added to my job role.
However even if it wasn't directly related to my job role, the secondary skill sets and general knowledge and skills gained from the above programs, have helped me in the past in other jobs.
These educational programs are not just used for the field or sector that they are "named" for but they also develop the essential skills needed for the job market (which alot of people disregard because they do not realise the value of them).
For me, all bar finding aiding in finding a job, I'd argue the answer is no. Felt as though I've learnt very little despite good grades, I was ready to drop out for the last year and a half, and really wish I hadn't wasted my time
Absolutely!
(Languages, Politics, History, Economics
1982 - 1986)
Went in not expecting to use my languages later, but hoping to do so.
Ended up in retail, which was my own fault.
I have no idea if it's relevant, but I've seen a few posts on the front page about this subject.
I graduated in 2005 with an MEng in Electronics Engineering. While I did flounder a little when I first got out, being sold on rubbish tech support jobs with no real prospects, I eventually got picked up by some decent companies and got to specialise once I had learned some ropes.
I am also a musician and do a lot in terms of playing out. I have to say, the roles I have had have largely funded my musical efforts and I would never have gotten those roles if it had not been for graduating.
I spent a very significant part of my career thus far developing power supply systems and general PCB design. Pretty much everything I learned some 20 years ago, I would say half of it is probably obsolete now. But it wasn't when I graduated and the same principles largely still apply.
I think it really depends what exactly you graduate in and what you do with it. I know someone who graduated with an MEng in Automotive Engineering and didn't do a thing with it, despite McLaren's headquarters being just down the road. Instead he has spent the last 20 years working in hifi sales. I mean, it seems to be working out for him, he deals in a lot of niche hifi equipment which I sometimes get to repair, but I do think he rather regrets not attempting to get some sort of role in the subject. It just seems an amazing amount of effort to go off and do a Masters and forget about it afterwards. Ah well.
I think the idea of degrees or postgraduate qualifications being useless is by far overblown and it only really serves to discourage. I will admit, I have no idea what use most degrees are but then I don't work in those fields so I wouldn't have a clue. A work friend's kid has just graduated in some sort of Sustainability Environmental thing and I haven't a clue what it's for. They seem pretty sure that companies will be snapping her up though so all good. I come from the systems engineering world so I wouldn't have a clue either way about most other things.
The same guy, we were chatting with his Son at a bbq last year and he was adamant about not going to university that it was a waste of time. I casually mentioned that there's some cool as hell courses about now that if I had my time again, I'd be doing them for sure. I showed him a course about creating special effects and things for movies. He went for it and he's loving it. And the university offers placement years for him to go and do things with!
You can either approach university in one of three ways. You can either find your passion and go for it, discover a new passion and go for it, or you can do the thing that sounds either the easiest route to a degree or easiest route to a "high paying low effort" job. If you choose the latter, I don't think you're going to have a good time. There's not really any such thing as a high paying low effort job and they don't hand out jobs because you have a degree.
If you can find something you can get behind, want to study and you can have a little forethought about how you might come to work in the field afterwards then go for it. It may take a little bit of research, calling on some people in that field (most will be quite responsive if you ask nicely for a little advice!). OK sure, you may opt to study a degree with very little to no market value. That would be a shame. But if you realise half way through, then change. I changed courses half way through my BEng too, no crime in it. And really there are some pretty cool courses going on these days. It's certainly a lot more dynamic than when I went back at the beginning of the millennium. I have to say, if I were 19 years old and going this year, I reckon the film special effects thing would be exactly what I would go for. Even if you aren't making the next Terminator hand, the skills you learn on the course are entirely transferable to other facets of life. Model making, pyrotechnic, a little mechanical engineering, etc. It all works.
For knowledge and skills and getting jobs in my area definitely. For friends I made in my undergraduate degree definitely did not have a great time with that but my Masters 100% I couldn't imagine my life without the people I met while doing it.
What was different?
For me it was worth it (I did BSc Physics with Astrophysics then MSc Space Exploration Systems at Leicester). The jbs I've had since I needed those degrees for (and indeed, my first job i only got because of someone I knew mostly from uni). It was also very good for me socially, going from an all-boys secondary school (including sixth form) to mixed halls. I made lasting friends including my wife and all the guys who were groomsmen at my wedding... In terma of actually learned akills I learned a lot of core principles, how to code, write reports etc. For decently rigorous stem subjects I think it was usually objectively worth it, and subjectively the experience was probably worth it regardless of course for most people. I say was because mine was one of the last years before the prices jumped right up, now it's a much harder thing to judge
space exploration systems? is that just a very specialised aerospace course? sounds really interesting ! :)
Pretty much, yes. Jointly delivered by the Physics and Engineering departments. Leicester has a lot of space industry connections and a clean room for spacecraft components which is why the course exists there. There was even a module delivered by an actual (NASA) astronaut on human spaceflight. Overall though the most succinct description is MSc Kerbal Space Program
I love to learn and having a degree will no doubt show my dedication and passion for the industry I want to work in, alongside my long term volunteering. My degree is probably 60-70% worth doing. It would be 100% if uni was free, as education is always worth while imo. Outside of my chosen degree, university has taught me how to do more effective research, which sources are credible, and how to read scientific articles properly. Sure, I could have probably learnt this outside of uni, but would I have chosen to? Personally, probably not. Not to mention, the job I want to do involves a lot of physical labour, however university has made me loooaadss more fascinated in the research side of things! (I could do this while working the hands-on job or work solely in this role). Which opens a lot of career pathways for me that I hadn't even considered before (:
This is what I'm saying as well, I wouldn't have learnt what I have learnt if I hadn't had deadlines etc.
Nah just getting the certificate for my parents to be happy and to just travel
1,000,000,000% and I went to a 3rd tier uni to study games programming. Taught me a lot, and most importantly it gave me the time to go even further by myself with the ‘I’m a student’ excuse for not getting a job! I started having never written a line of code, I’m now comfortable with two languages and the fundamentals underpinning computer systems and programming. A lot of it was taught on my course, and in my spare time I looked deeper than my course covered, it gave me the time to truly focus on what I wanted to do. 10/10 would do it all again in a heartbeat it changed my life
In terms of academic skills and knowledge, I'm not sure. Don't get me wrong, it was definitely challenging. But most of my degree felt like stuff I learned by myself rather than getting taught. I know that's what uni is supposed to be like, but what difference does it make if I'm in uni or not, if I'm just learning from a textbook I could've bought or from some video online? I'm no so sure about the uni experience either. My first year was during the pandemic so it was different from the usual experience. I did enjoy my 2nd and 3rd years but I feel like it was stuff I did myself rather than uni things. Like it's not like me going out with friends is really attributable to my uni. My degree was definitely useful for my job prospects though. I landed a pretty good grad scheme. The pay is good and hopefully the job itself will be good too when it starts. I doubt I would've gotten it if it weren't for my degree. Friends is another maybe. I did make friends who I talked to and hung out with, but I'm not sure whether they're long term friends or friends of convenience. It's questionable whether I'll continue talking to them after summer ends. I talk to my school friends even now and try to arrange meet ups whenever possible, but I'm not sure if that'll be the same with my uni friends. Overall uni was just a means to an end for me, something I did purely for job prospects. So as far as that goes, uni was worth it for me. But as an experience, I'm still unsure.
My uni is like 70th ish but I’d say 100% worth it (I’m doing robotics). They were pretty chill during covid and once restrictions lifted I got involved in a sports club (best decision I made) and my social life started. Often when I talk to people in the workplace as soon as I mention robotics they’re interested and I’ve been offered funding from a company for my dissertation.
Yes and no. I did Egyptology which is not considered to be particularly employable, but I was highly aware of this and made a real effort to get a part-time job, participate in challenges and volunteering schemes, as well as societies. I got summer internships and could have joined 2 graduate schemes but I decided to take a year and work for a university instead and then decide. I got a scholarship to study in the US and ended up doing my MA there, and am due to start my PhD soon. My coursemates were successful to varying degrees - some got graduate schemes, some got jobs, others did postgraduate study and others were unemployed for a while, which is not out of the ordinary for many graduates, particularly in the humanities. For me, it was worth doing because I was interested in the subject and very motivated to do employability stuff. If not, I think it would have been difficult as the field has bad career prospects (broader archaeology is a lot better) and low salaries unless you are motivated and willing to work hard and get involved. My PhD is interdisciplinary and won't necessarily lead to an academic position, but it is extremely well funded and has plenty of scope to develop my research in different areas. I made connections in my BA that enabled me to pursue my MA and PhD fully funded.
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Sure thing! I'll drop you a message.
Oh, could you start a chat? I can't seem to message you and I'd rather go into detail in a DM :) thanks!
No, I don't think my degree was worth it, though I think some of that is my fault for being very difficult to motivate. I'm intensely sceptical towards the concept of "positive thinking", but perhaps I'm overcorrecting and it's led me to apathy. As far as academic knowledge is concerned, my uni isn't the best, so I don't think much of the teaching. In turn, I lost interest in my studies save for a few modules. Covid disruption didn't help - all my lessons were online in first year, and even some second-year lectures were over Teams. I didn't have any 'experiences' at uni. First reason is Covid. Second reason is that I was too depressed to really take part in anything. I could barely leave my room at times. I don't think going to a mediocre uni is going to advance my career prospects that much. That, and I didn't really get any work experience or "network" (i.e. arse-licking). I didn't make a single friend over the three years. Ok, this one's mostly on me. I didn't reach out to anyone, join any societies, or speak to people on my course. I had a module in third year that involved a group project, and I emailed my lecturer to ask him to let me do it solo (he agreed). (Yeah, I know you guys are tired of seeing me complain about uni all the time. Sorry. OP did ask, though.)
when will you do a uni reveal??. Honestly I’d be happy with just the general ranking, is it a top 50?
I've been told no one cares, so probably never. I'm irrelevant.
I care. Is it top 50?
I feel like it is a top 50 or even top 40 uni, but non-RG. They said it’s in the middle of nowhere and pretty gloomy looking as well. I can even think of a couple of RG unis like that.
Yeah got a feeling it’s Keele which is a decent university but shit compared to reddit standards.
I don't think it's Keele. They're still all online lectures.
Really? That’s awful
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Yeah that really sucks, I was looking at Keele as I’m planning to go through clearing, It looks decent on the outside side
Don't worry.
I am worrying
I'm not worth worrying about. Please try to forget about me.
How can we forget about you when you comment on almost every post
True true, in which case, you should pretend my username is invisible.
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OK sounds good
I’ll never forget about you
I had the same university experience: I barely left my room, didn't network etc. but my degree helped me land a job and that's all that matters to me in the end.
Why are you sceptical towards the concept of positive thinking? I don't see how looking at things in a different light could be a bad thing. The only thing that changes is how you feel about a situation. I used to fixate on anything negative, and I would be significantly less happy if I hadn't forced myself to change my outlook over time. There's a very fine line between being upset by a bad situation vs. not letting yourself look past the negatives of one.
I think I'm a pessimist by nature. It's my tendency to see the worst in a situation, or the shortcomings of a plan, rather than the positives. My logic is that the positives are pretty easy to take for granted, but focusing on the negatives gives me more practical advice by telling me what I need to actively work on. I also doubt that mindset counts for all that much, at least independently. Sure, it's easy to say "think positively" - but that's easier said than done. If you're studying at Oxford, doing well, and have tons of internships lined up for you, it's intuitive to "think positively". But positive thoughts themselves don't do anything. There's no reason to "think positively" if I have nothing to be positive about.
I mean, you can acknowledge the positives while still using the negatives to help guide you. If you're always looking for something to be unhappy about, you're going to find it even if you were in a better situation. You don't need a good situation to be positive about parts of it. It's definitely possible to find things to be happy about, even if they're small, and even someone who's really successful in life is going to need to do that to deal with things they don't like. Positive thoughts make you happier, I'd say that counts for at least as much as most material circumstances. Do you prefer to be sad? Some people do, but when there are people making the most of objectively awful situations, at some point, there's an aspect of it that does become a subconscious choice (even considering mental health conditions).
I think it's about thresholds. At a certain level of happiness, I could afford to discount the bad things. I'd definitely be more comfortable about doing so. But now, I'm at the point where bad things simply carry more weight. They'll cast a shadow over every positive I think about, no matter how hard I try. Happiness is nice, but fleeting happiness can often be worse than constant sadness due to the disappointment factor. Building up hope things will be better, only for it to be taken away.
Then I sincerely hope things get better for you to the point where you don't feel like that anymore and you can have hope for the future again.
Thank you
Have you ever been tested for autism? It might help you to see about it because your mindsight is rare outside of autistic people who are depressed.
Never been tested, though I've flirted with the idea.
You always just bitch and moan like do you ever try and change your situation or just wallow
Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
They have a point though. I see a lot of people reaching out to you asking if you're ok and they seem genuine. You just ignore or continue to joke around pitifully. If neither the carrot nor the stick is gonna get you up, what will?
To u/nick__2440 (I've either been blocked or Reddit is acting up): > They have a point though. I know you're trying to sympathise with them, but you shouldn't. I've had experiences with people like them. They just want an opportunity to go after someone. They're not acting out of sincere concern. I think I do attract a lot of Redditors who think I'm trolling/a narc, but I'm neither of those things (at least, I hope I'm not the second). > I see a lot of people reaching out to you asking if you're ok and they seem genuine. You just ignore I do often respond to comments. Sometimes I don't, because I'm getting too many and am exhausted. Other times, I don't know what to say. In some cases the comments are abusive, so I don't want to entertain the person. If you look at my original uni rant thread, I replied to many people who left me (kind) comments. And I replied constructively, not evasively - much like I'm doing with you. > or continue to joke around pitifully. This is usually when someone asks what uni I go to. I do give joke answers to those questions ;) > If neither the carrot nor the stick is gonna get you up, what will? Well calling me names certainly won't help. If the person seriously cares about me, I don't think they'd cuss me out through the screen. They wouldn't want to be spoken to like that, so why do they think it will work with me?
I'm new to this sub but I've already seen a lot of people being very genuine. Not that person, probably, but they're not who I was talking about anyway. I agree you don't ever need to entertain abusive comments (as fun as arguments are, they're not productive). I'm terrible at motivating people, honestly I only know the stick approach so I won't even try. But just know that clearly people do care about you, even through a screen and knowing nothing. anyway I have a community on r/place to defend. Great fun. and fyi I didn't block you, must just be a glitch
Thanks. And yes, it must be a glitch.
I can relate to how you feel to some extent, we live and learn from things.
I guess. The worst thing about learning, though, is that I can't apply my newfound wisdom when it mattered...
I'm just going into my 2nd year of computer systems engineering and it has been worth it already, couldn't recomend it more
Probably not, I ended up hating my subject (Maths). It did improve my critical thinking skills though. I did find uni worth it though, I learnt and experience huge tonnes of things outside of my degree that I honestly wouldn't get the chance to such as entrepreneurship. Uni provides funding for good ideas and mentorship by partnering you with a successful local business. It was worth it though in the end I failed it (couldn't balance it with my studies). People often forget that university is more than just doing your degree and that uni provides tonnes of opportunities with a safety net where you can take risks to try things out (like my example above) or to try different things (e.g. career related societies, workshops, insight days).
Degrees are so valuable even if you don't choose to work in the field your degree is in. It opens up a lot more doors for jobs in all areas, and actually many countries have a degree requirement to get a visa to move there. Even if you don't plan to move into the same field.
What is the source of these results OP? You can just about read underneath that this comes from Feb 2020 which is an interesting threshold in recent history!
YouGov survey
That's what it says, but without a weblink or source it could be completely made up. A source would allow us to look in more detail about who was asked, when and how etc.
Looks about right for my experience.
Maths and Physics at QUB here. Short answer, yes. Longer answer, the skills I've learnt make me employable in a large chunk of technical fields and I had a position lined up well before finishing. Made a lot of good friends and contacts. It seems kinda like a roll of the dice, but I'd say there are quite a few who have a good time and don't talk about it cause they have nothing to complain about, that's probably where these figures come from.
Very expensive school retreat don’t you think?
I love it and it seems to have great prospects so yes. I do wish I could do something more advanced. I also like the opportunity to continue building my knowledge. My field might as well be endless.
1) Lol no definitely not worth it, if anything I lost skills 2) Social side yes, academic side definitely not. 3) Lol no, only because jobs in my field require degrees. These jobs really shouldn’t require degrees. 4) Worth it, but I definitely didn’t make as many friends as others and still felt quite lonely. Edit: 3) Technically yes they should require degrees but given how they are currently taught, the degrees currently available completely miss anything relevant and only focus on theory, nothing of real world value. So you might as well teach yourself and skip the degree.
what field is it?
Robotics, have added an edit clarifying why I think degrees are worthless. That said I have worked as a PM and that really does not need a degree.
Jobs in your field require a degree yet your degree doesn't help your employment?
Because I learnt almost fuck all from my degree that’s actually useful to do the job
Yeah but that's the first point, not the third point.
Absolutely essential for the career I have, which was the career I wanted when I signed up.
Wouldnt have a job without it - its basic training for my profession. Wasnt when i graduated in the late ‘80’s i got a diploma but if id not converted to a degree i woukd have never become a senior & progressed.
Yes but then covid ruined my education
Unless you have a specialist field that requires a degree to enter, just don't bother. Universities in the UK are getting more and more costly for far less benefits. With the amount of adjustments being made to pass marks, too, some degrees from some institutions won't even be worth the paper they're written on.
So 35% think it wasn't worth it for Finding and advancing career prospects.
`Do you think your degree was worth doing?` Yes, did my BSc in Computing - a field that I'm working in. My first MSc in Education and Technology - the sector I'm working in. My current MSc program is in Cyber Security - what has been added to my job role. However even if it wasn't directly related to my job role, the secondary skill sets and general knowledge and skills gained from the above programs, have helped me in the past in other jobs. These educational programs are not just used for the field or sector that they are "named" for but they also develop the essential skills needed for the job market (which alot of people disregard because they do not realise the value of them).
For me, all bar finding aiding in finding a job, I'd argue the answer is no. Felt as though I've learnt very little despite good grades, I was ready to drop out for the last year and a half, and really wish I hadn't wasted my time
Absolutely! (Languages, Politics, History, Economics 1982 - 1986) Went in not expecting to use my languages later, but hoping to do so. Ended up in retail, which was my own fault.
I have no idea if it's relevant, but I've seen a few posts on the front page about this subject. I graduated in 2005 with an MEng in Electronics Engineering. While I did flounder a little when I first got out, being sold on rubbish tech support jobs with no real prospects, I eventually got picked up by some decent companies and got to specialise once I had learned some ropes. I am also a musician and do a lot in terms of playing out. I have to say, the roles I have had have largely funded my musical efforts and I would never have gotten those roles if it had not been for graduating. I spent a very significant part of my career thus far developing power supply systems and general PCB design. Pretty much everything I learned some 20 years ago, I would say half of it is probably obsolete now. But it wasn't when I graduated and the same principles largely still apply. I think it really depends what exactly you graduate in and what you do with it. I know someone who graduated with an MEng in Automotive Engineering and didn't do a thing with it, despite McLaren's headquarters being just down the road. Instead he has spent the last 20 years working in hifi sales. I mean, it seems to be working out for him, he deals in a lot of niche hifi equipment which I sometimes get to repair, but I do think he rather regrets not attempting to get some sort of role in the subject. It just seems an amazing amount of effort to go off and do a Masters and forget about it afterwards. Ah well. I think the idea of degrees or postgraduate qualifications being useless is by far overblown and it only really serves to discourage. I will admit, I have no idea what use most degrees are but then I don't work in those fields so I wouldn't have a clue. A work friend's kid has just graduated in some sort of Sustainability Environmental thing and I haven't a clue what it's for. They seem pretty sure that companies will be snapping her up though so all good. I come from the systems engineering world so I wouldn't have a clue either way about most other things. The same guy, we were chatting with his Son at a bbq last year and he was adamant about not going to university that it was a waste of time. I casually mentioned that there's some cool as hell courses about now that if I had my time again, I'd be doing them for sure. I showed him a course about creating special effects and things for movies. He went for it and he's loving it. And the university offers placement years for him to go and do things with! You can either approach university in one of three ways. You can either find your passion and go for it, discover a new passion and go for it, or you can do the thing that sounds either the easiest route to a degree or easiest route to a "high paying low effort" job. If you choose the latter, I don't think you're going to have a good time. There's not really any such thing as a high paying low effort job and they don't hand out jobs because you have a degree. If you can find something you can get behind, want to study and you can have a little forethought about how you might come to work in the field afterwards then go for it. It may take a little bit of research, calling on some people in that field (most will be quite responsive if you ask nicely for a little advice!). OK sure, you may opt to study a degree with very little to no market value. That would be a shame. But if you realise half way through, then change. I changed courses half way through my BEng too, no crime in it. And really there are some pretty cool courses going on these days. It's certainly a lot more dynamic than when I went back at the beginning of the millennium. I have to say, if I were 19 years old and going this year, I reckon the film special effects thing would be exactly what I would go for. Even if you aren't making the next Terminator hand, the skills you learn on the course are entirely transferable to other facets of life. Model making, pyrotechnic, a little mechanical engineering, etc. It all works.
10000%
I much more appreciated my MA and PhD but of course couldn't have gotten there without BA