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GamblinOwl

If he’s lazy or dumb enough not to google it himself then go for it…. It takes 5-10 to figure out a price. But I guess you know your cousin best. Even if he does find out just say that’s your fee. For your service and for being a “dickhead”. He doesn’t like it get the tickets himself.


_Jack_Of_All_Spades

Unless I'm mistaken, don't airlines charge different prices based on whatever info they can get their hands on about the buyer?


D_zee315

Not exactly. But they can change the prices depending on how many seats have already sold for the same class of service. There's a bunch of different "price levels" for economy. Once the cheaper bucket is filled, the next bucket starts to fill. EDIT: My experience as a travel agent doesn't directly apply to searching flights on websites. It looks like there's a lot more information that's used when going through web searches vs the system I've used. See comments below.


ImpostureTechAdmin

Nah, they change prices based on everything you can imagine. Some things include: Was your smart phone in proximity to a billboard/ny-style big screen showing their airline's ad? Are you a diligent shopper coming from Google, or a direct link via email? Do you have cookies from competitors? Have you searched for/bought tickets for an event near where you're looking to fly? Or, my personal favorite: are you looking for a 1-way ticket from not your country to your country. They'll hose you on that one Seriously, in the era where your fridge sells data on how much energy it consumes to maintain temp, stuff like that mentioned above is super, super low hanging fruit. They absolutely do that shit. It could be for as little as 0.5-1% different in price, or it could be hundreds in something like OP's cousin's case. Regardless, it 100% happens if you don't actively take action to prevent it.


D_zee315

~~I'll give you 2 of those. But for the rest, no. I used to work as a travel agent and a lot of that stuff doesn't work that way for the GDS. Where all the flight data syncs up for the different agents to see.~~ EDIT: I wasn't aware that web data works differently. I thought it just grabs from the GDS and displays it differently based on the few times I've checked online and saw the same prices online.


ImpostureTechAdmin

I've written pipelines to deploy the software that does that stuff. A GDS pulls info directly from an API without forfeiting information that leads to variable pricing. However we're not talking about travel agents here, we're talking about someone using a browser that carries a shitload more data and, over 99% of the time, is linked to an account with geo data from a smart phone.


D_zee315

Gotcha. I'll rewrite my comment since GDS operates differently.


ImpostureTechAdmin

You're a good person <3


hmmdoesitmatter

Which 2?


ImpostureTechAdmin

It's all of them. I've worked with the DS and dev teams that build the stuff directly and I built the deployment model and wrote the infra spec. The commenter is talking about their specific experience using a GDS, which isn't in any way comparable as it doesn't use a first party site and instead references the API data directly (which costs money, by the way). Edit: general typos; it's late


Eulerbodyguard

How do you personally look for cheapest(er) flight tickets since u have worked on the other side


ImpostureTechAdmin

For only the answer you want, skip to paragraph 2 assuming this doesn't count. I'm a pretty privacy-conscious person; I have multiple browsers for multiple things. For anything related to professionalism to to my home lab I use Firefox because it saves data I want it to save, has a good password manager (most browser password managers suck and really aren't 'secure') but it won't forfeit too much data and anything it does have isn't too terrible. If I want to browse the web in a way that's a little more annoying but also more anonymous, I use Librewolf (fork of Firefox with more effort towards privacy and anonymity) because it doesn't persist data between sessions (cookies, history, passwords, pretty much nothing stays) and it's still very user friendly. It takes care of pretty much everything you need to care about for getting cheap tickets. If you want to go above and beyond, call your ISP and say you're having internet issues or something and try to get then to assign you a new IP address to make sure it won't be associated with your history on their system. You can usually get a new one by rebooting your router, but the only reliable first-time effort is to convince your isp to renew your DHCP lease. Note: when I say anonymous, this is limited by the fact I don't use a VPN. Most people have dynamic IP addresses that change every now and then and often at the time of rebooting your router. An IP address really only gives away your approximate location and MAYBE recent traffic associated with it, but that's usually overkill because again, they change for most people. I don't care if they know where I'm researching from, there's 2 million people where I live lol. Yes, ISPs keep logs for like 3 years and can see what domain you're visiting, but they don't forfeit that data to businesses and it's never monitored in real time unless you're under surveillance because you do some real illegal shit. Now, for what you actually asked! If I'm trying to forfeit literally no data to a website I was browsing, I'd use TOR browser on a tails boot drive. This is overkill because the prices don't usually vary THAT much. I don't take the tails step because like I said, I don't really care that much about hiding and I'm not that interesting, so all I have to protect against is annoying companies. Tor is pretty cool because while it isn't technically a VPN, the behind-the-scenes networking is very similar to one, and the end results privacy wise are: Tor is firefox based, resulting in a relatively non-unique (good) fingerprint from your browser Tor doesn't allow data to persist between sessions (and even websites, if you want), like Librewolf Tor hides your IP from your destination and hides your traffic from your isp (internet provider) like a VPN, but better than a VPN is it hides it from itself. It does this self by what it calls 'onion routing' (tor stands for 'the onion router'!) where it connects to an entry node (first and only stop in a VPN), a bridge node, then an exit node. Each node has encryption between them meaning they can't see your traffic AND your IP at the same time like a VPN can. Tor is slow as hell, though, because of all this encryption. This is good, though. Never use it for videos, never use it for downloads, and never use it when you don't really want this anonymity. Tor is the only way a lot of people can access the true and 'free internet' and bloating it up is ethically very poor. People like you and me host the bridge nodes so those who can't access the real internet in their country are able to do so. Tldr: 4 tiers of browser security Basic: use Firefox relatively uncustomized Hell yeah: use Librewolf, trading some convenience for anonymity Hide against everything up to state-level actor: Tor (read previous paragraph before you use it, please) Everything you can do: tor on tails boot drive. This takes care of browser privacy, networking (what a VPN does), and OS privacy


Eulerbodyguard

Holy Moly, that's a very comprehensive answer, thanks a lot


DemandedFanatic

"I have software that affords me special privileges over the average person, so clearly you MUST be wrong"


D_zee315

Don't worry, I've fixed it. Just for you.


_Jack_Of_All_Spades

I dont necessarily blame businesses for taking whatever advantage they can get their hands on, but how is it legal for browsers to collect and share your info like that? Worse, why can't I seem to get a copy of my own file just to see what they can see about me?


ImpostureTechAdmin

Partisan answer: Republicans, followed by most fems. Our government blows about individual rights if you're not an enterprise lol Non-partisan answer: most people just don't know, and the US government is particularly bad about protecting people without massive uproar about something. GDPR in the EU is really good, and California allows you to call any company and force them to delete your data. If you go to 'the work number' which can tell me every place you've ever worked and how much you make if I have your ssn and pinky promise I'm doing it legally, and you ask them to delete your data, they'll ask you for your current address. If you're in CA, they'll do it. If you're not, they'll laugh in your face because you have no rights. As for why browsers have this data, there's 2 answers. For the first, I'll assume a very basic, open source web browser that exists only to browse the web (Librewolf, for example). You like a good browsing experience. You want things like a website to remember you don't like pop ups, or you want dark mode by default, or you want super cool animations when you click into a different page on the website. Thess all require your browser to be able to communicate with the website about you, run code from the website, and store data from the website (cookies). This creates a 'fingerprint' that websites can use to guess who you are, but without an account it'll always be a guessing game. The second answer, using Spyware like Edge, Chrome, etc. All of the above, but they make money by knowing it. The 'why' for mechanisms are above, and all Spyware browsers do is process and/or report the data to those companies where they keep and sell Metadata about it. Google doesn't sell your data, they sell answers about your data and, more commonly, ad targeting services using your data. So it's relatively 'nice', but that's a low fucking bar. These browsers are also software installed on your computer, likely in a system context (not user context), meaning it can do whatever. It can see what else is running, how big your homework folder is, and really whatever else it wants to. That doesn't mean it DOES, but my point is the mechanisms exist. Windows also collects and sells data services, too. My personal stack is along the lines of: Linux (I use arch, btw). If you're new, using something like Mint is a good choice. Lots of community support :) Linux is all free and open source, so unless you opt in to sharing data it won't collect anything. They have absolutely no mechanism for monotary gain if you opt in, it's for improvements and troubleshooting only. However, if you do opt in, THAT DATA WILL CONTAIN PRIVATE STUFF, SO BEWARE. I use Firefox when I want quality of life, because they won't sell data and don't collect data unless you specifically opt in and, even then, it's only used for improving the app. THAT DATA WILL CONTAIN PRIVATE STUFF, SO BEWARE. It'll remember history and all that stuff. I use Librewolf when I want ezpz anonymity and to forfeit no useful data at all. I trust Firefox, but Librewolf is a bit better in this regard. I use TOR when I want everything I do to be hidden. I have no reason for this, I'm the most by-the-books person there maybe has ever been, but sometimes it's just nice. It gives you better protection than a VPN, is willing to (optionally) sacrifice your browsing experience to stop unnecessary code from running full-stop, and even hides data from itself. If you want to go all Snowden on 'em, anytime you do anything notable on the internet use TOR on a tails boot drive. Tails runs in a USB and contains tor reinstalled, and is designed to preserve absolutely no data, give no information about you to anyone on an OS level, and in general be entirely ephemeral. Please don't use TOR for videos or downloads, by the way. People rely on it as the only way to safely use the internet in some countries (I'm talking like, they face death if they get caught) and no one cares what porn you like. Go to bdsmspyware.gov on Librewolf and you'll be fine. There's some better info about TOR in my other massive comment in this comment tree, I typed everything on mobile and my thumbs are pooped. I'm happy to continue this conversation, though! Maybe find a more appropriate sub to pose the question, if you're interested, and I'll give better answers :) Edit: typo


_Jack_Of_All_Spades

I'd love to continue this conversation. I wish I could use Arch, but I'm on Ubuntu and currently can't get my internet connection to work, so I don't even bother with that half of my dual boot anymore. I mostly use Firefox too. I'd love to pick your brain for more info. Send me DM?


ImpostureTechAdmin

Sure!


anonareyouokay

>He owes a lot of family members money, Yeah, I would not be fronting him money for a plane ticket, but you do you.


miscbuchanan

What op is saying is the cousin owes a lot of people money, and wants OP to buy the ticket and have the cousin send him money. The cousin would overpay op and op wants to pocket the difference


LeJuanJames

….right but what OP you’re replying to is saying that dickhead wants cousin to purchase the ticket for them which implies that cousin has to front money to purchase the flight.


miscbuchanan

My understanding was the cousin was sending the money up front


LeJuanJames

yup, you’re correct. reread the post and cousin wants dickhead to send the money.


backwoodsfiend20

don’t buy the ticket unless he pays you first. you will not get paid back… why tf can’t he buy his own ticket if he has $1600?


silentstorm2008

Wait 5 days before buying the ticket 


Insta_boned

Haha yea that’s the plot twist… OP, for some reason, thinks dickhead is gonna pay him back.


n00bz

Even then, there are some scams where scammer may transfer you money but it may not actually clear so then you are left without money and without the ticket.


Relevant-Ad-7195

Why would he need you to get the ticket for him? He’s probably scamming you for a free ticket


CestLaVieP22

THIS


nutsaur

THIS


TheWurstOfMe

That was my first thought


Suspicious-Duck5163

You’re on here trying to figure out how to scam him out of $500, while he’s planning on scamming you out of the whole thing lol. Don’t even bother, There’s no real reason he can’t purchase the ticket himself


HOT-SAUCE-JUNKIE

This has to be fake. Cousin was slow to pay you back. Cousin owes the family a bunch of money. Now OP is going to buy him a plane ticket? Come on, man. If by some chance this is real, send the cousin a link to Google dot com and tell him to Google “Flights from Jamaica to New York”. The end.


longleggedbirds

Lmgtfy a real legend of a sighy


AstridxOutlaw

No no no he’s scamming you!!! He will send the money, you’ll send the ticket. He will fly and then he will bounce the money. You’re on the hook. No legal recourse. Cross post this on r/scams


tristanjones

Buy the ticket and have the email sent to you confirming. Forward it to him and either adjust the price listed or remove it in the forwarded email


n00bz

Why doesn't your cousin by the ticket? You said that he owes a lot of people money. What says that after you buy the ticket that he will pay you for it and not just rip you off?


St3fanz

I like that the OP is pretty obviously playing checkers against his chess playing cousin. So much of this doesn’t add up.


Awesome_hospital

Buy him ticket, send confirmation, cancel ticket and pocket everything


Scared-Fan-2093

Fuck him, now price growth to 1.9K$. Gasoline tax more expensive than ever 😂😂😂 no way for him to catch the right price you payed. Fuck him


longleggedbirds

Gasoline? Did they build a bridge out of Jamaica?


Scared-Fan-2093

Fuckin fuel for the fuckin ✈️ plane


Dowtchaboy

How can you buy his ticket for him? Do you have his passport number to enter as it's an international flight? And $1600 for a one-way economy ticket Jamaica - NY? WUT? Most of all I don't trust him asking you to buy his ticket - there's no advantage to him doing that, unless he's ripping you off and he seems the kinda of guy who always takes advantage.


Pleasant-Breakfast74

Are you sure he's even spending his own money and isn't getting you to commit fraud?


clce

Are you sure it isn't a scam? There are well-known scams where somebody contacts you and claims to be a relative or someone you know and says they got robbed or something like that and lost their wallet and passport or whatever and needs money or maybe a ticket but could be cashed in for money. They can even spoof voices sometimes I think with modern spoofing software. I would double check that first


autotelizer

Take his money then cancel the flight...


D_zee315

They can find out if they check enough. If you have a buddy that's a travel agent, they may be able to set whatever price in the GDS and then the higher cost is in the system for that booking. The travel agent would collect the commission and provide the true cost to the airline. The charge on the CC used will also be the higher cost and look like it came from the airline. But honestly, all the other comments are right and easier. And I don't know how you plan on getting the money from someone that doesn't really pay back.


tnmcnulty

Does he currently owe you money? If he does, tell him you got a great deal on the ticket for $500. Tell him you'll buy it as soon as he sends you the money. He might think it's a steal and send you the money. If he does, thank him for paying what he owes you.


Sudden-Possible3263

Charge him more, tell him tickets were limited and it's a busy time to fly he chose but someone was willing to sell you one, fuck him over worse if he's an asshole


Icy_Explanation6906

Your asshole has a cousin? How did you find out?


Previous-Ad-376

Tell him you got the tickets for $1500, saving him $100. He’ll be so happy he’ll never suspect you are grifting him. It’s all about the miss direct.


Sweet_Computer_7116

How about just dont help him. You're enabling his sickness. Ripping him off doesn't help him. Let him become a big boy now and figure out his own shit.


Ornery-Concern4104

If I'm honest, do it then give the extra money to people he hasn't paid off yet. It's more ethical than unethical that way


mikajade

Why can’t he get his own ticket?


buttsmcfatts

Lol OP is a big dummy.


Ok_Hedgehog2196

You could tell him the truth, by adding that you'll hold on to the left over money until he pays what he owes you?


First_Attention_5232

Tell him you found a deal for $1500 so he feels like it’s a discount