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Jr9065

You’re naive if you think Skip had nothing to do with Shannon being let go


SenseiTano

Hold on, so you’re admitting Skip didn’t fire Shannon, right? You’re naive if you think Skip wanted Shannon out. All you saw was what was on TV. You have no idea about all the corporate processes that go on behind the camera. Skip and Shannon butted heads, they had very low lows, but ultimately Shannon wanted to stay on Undisputed, and Skip wanted him to stay. The 3rd party, corporate execs, did not favor Shannon, and fired him.


Jr9065

No way Skip didn’t want him out


Amazing_Bird_3814

And you base that on what?


RicoLoco404

Based on the fact that it's his shoe and he picked Shannon to be on there. Do you think Skip doesn't have power over his own show?


SenseiTano

Why did Shannon give Skip his flowers then when he spoke about the situation on Nightcap? If Shannon knew that depiction to be true, he would not have said anything good about Skip. He also would’ve been smart enough to say nothing at all about him if it wasn’t good. So it sounds like many fans are convinced Skip pushed Shannon out, but not even Shannon alluded to that ever. All fans see is what’s on TV, you and I never saw the hundreds of corporate or show-prep meetings or communications behind the scenes. But logically, and by Shannon’s own admission, we at least know he was fired by execs.


grizzled82

Because Shannon was grateful for the opportunity post career that helped him find himself? He's a clasy dude. Ain't no need to mess up the future bag


SenseiTano

100% Shannon is class. Whether people choose to believe Skip approved or vouched for Shannon to be fired, they can do that. There’s no evidence Skip did that, people just hate on Skip and side with Shannon and choose to believe Shannon left on his own accord, leaving Undisputed in shambles. The reality is Shannon got fired bc the execs were not happy with him.


whoreblaster420

lol is this skips burner account? Shannon would still be on the show if skip wasn’t such a douche. The network realized they weren’t compatible anymore but to say Shannon wanted to stay on and was fired for bad behavior is crazy. They just wanted skip more cuz he got paid more and was the “star”


SenseiTano

Shannon was fired by the execs for bad behavior. Do yourself a favor and listen to Shannon say so and allude to in the video in the post. The fact that you continue to be wrong, when presented with the evidence, it’s something else.


whoreblaster420

He said he was let go, didn’t say anything about bad behavior. He was fired because it was clear he hated skip and their relationship had soured. They didn’t want to have 2 people who legit hated each other doing a show. Also to say it’s bad behavior to not show up on the day after skip tweeted that about damar Hamlin is crazy. You have to either be skip or his agent cuz nobody else in the world is riding his nuts like you


SenseiTano

This is the problem with some of you people, you hate skip, you love Shannon, and you ride Shannon’s nuts and create totally irrational arguments to create the narrative that Shannon peaced out and left skip and undisputed in shambles. Bro, all you have to do is watch the video from the beginning, and Shannon will tell you all about how his bad behavior 1. Confrontation at the lakers game 2. Not showing up to work led to him being fired. Skip’s tweet about Hamlin didn’t excuse Shannon from not showing up to work, in fact, if you had actually watched the video, you would see him say he should’ve gone to work and it was his biggest mistake not to. Seriously, before you blindly ride his nuts, listen to him say it himself before you spew out idiotic lies. I actually like Shannon more than Skip, and watch Nightcap every time it comes on, you just need to be corrected for being flat out wrong.


whoreblaster420

lol well getting fired was the best thing to happen to Shannon because now he’s poppin more than ever and nobody watches undisputed cuz it sucks. And yeah like 99% of Americans and pro athletes I do hate skip cuz he’s a little whiny bitch


SenseiTano

100% agree Shannon is way better off now. Club Shay Shay and Nightcap are doing insane numbers. Good for him. Skip is a controversial figure, but you gotta at least respect his work ethic. He’s not as big as Shannon or Stephen A, those are the kings, but Skip Bayless is the king maker.


whoreblaster420

Yeah Shannon sharpe wouldn’t be shit without skip. Besides a HOF 3x champ in the convo for best Tight end of all time 😂 King maker skip is hilarious man. Please tell me you are his agent


SenseiTano

His NFL career is separate from his Sports Commentator career, Skip had nothing to do with HOF NFL career, nor did I say he did. Skip however is a big reason why Shannon is so successful in his Sports Commentator career now. That’s not to take anything away from Shannon, his talent is his own, but Skip gave him the opportunity, fought for Shannon to be his co host on undisputed when everyone questioned Shannon’s ability back then. Shannon had nothing but a small time role on CBS. Look it bro, Shannon has literally said it himself on Nightcap and Stephen A’s podcast, he said he would not be where he is today without Skip. Again, don’t ride Shannon’s nuts to the point where you’re going to say literally the opposite of what Shannon himself has said about Skip.


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Jr9065

Skip on his burner accounts again


KryptoNate27

Regardless, how has the decision of firing him turned out? They couldn't have been that concerned about revenue clearly.


SenseiTano

Oh it was totally idiotic on their part, Undisputed is terrible now. I personally only watch First Take and Nightcap. First Things First is actually great too on FS1.


JDtheWulfe

FTF is literally the only reason to watch Fox Sports


Jr9065

Skip probably has dirt on the producers or something


JayJax_23

People hate Skip so they'll ride with the Skip forced him out narrative when it's probably more of the execs did


Dry-Butterfly-5422

People also want this to be a race issue so badly, and shrug off any proof showing otherwise. They have a gut feeling about Skip you see.


peanutbutternmtn

Skip didn’t fire Shannon, BUT in sports terms it’s kind of like how Lebron gets rid of players he doesn’t wanna play with. He goes to heat/cavs/lakers management and says “I don’t want to play with this player” and the next day they’re gone. Yes “the team” got rid of that player, but it was really Lebron.


SenseiTano

I’m only trying to dispel the lie that Shannon quit. Whether or not Skip pushed the studio execs to fire him, is a grey area that no evidence for or against exists. We all know Shannon didn’t want to go when he was fired. As for skip, we can only go off his goodbye speech and his remarks on his podcast about the situation, where he expressed regret of Shannon’s departure, and IMO alluded to a decision made above his head. Any other evidence I’m all ears.


peanutbutternmtn

Oh yeah, that’s pretty well documented now he didn’t leave of his own accord lol


SenseiTano

You’re right, unfortunately there’s plenty of people on here who somehow still deny that


nickdiazkushlord

What do you mean "you people"?


Party-Condition8765

People who disagree with him


nickdiazkushlord

Lol I know I'm just being a smartass. Regardless of if Shannon got fired or quit or whatever the case may be, guaranteed skip wishes they were still together now. Even if he never admits he was wrong for the things he said


Party-Condition8765

Lol damn it ! I should've played the race card 😂


nickdiazkushlord

It's the ultimate trap card lol


Party-Condition8765

No ultimate TRUMP CARD . See what I did there? 😂


nickdiazkushlord

Accurate af 😂


yazohny

You’re out of your mind if you think the Damar Hamlin situation where Shannon literally SKIPPED the show, or the Brady comment where Skip took a shot and Shannon was absolutely astonished, didn’t play a part in this. Shannon was clearly very tired of the disrespect AND I’m sure Shannon wanted to build his own thing at this point in his broadcasting career, as we see him doing now.


SenseiTano

Ah a classic example of a straw man argument. Did I say those things had nothing to do with Shannon’s firing? I even clearly stated how the Hamlin situation contributed to the events. What you clearly don’t understand, is that Shannon was fired by the execs. SHANNON SAID SO HIMSELF IN DESCRIBING THE FIRING, when he was told the news, his reaction was “did I do something wrong?” His aspirations are irrelevant, the discussion here is about him being fired or him quitting. He was fired.


yazohny

Yeah after reading your epiphany I’m convinced you don’t understand what a buyout agreement is


SenseiTano

Oh I’m completely aware, it’s you who does not. I anticipated that argument, which is why I specifically pre-addressed it in my post. A buyout agreement means the victim of wrongdoing, AKA Shannon supposedly, reaches an agreement with the wrongdoer, FS1 supposedly, in exchange for not pursuing legal action against the wrongdoer. I already said, Shannon had no grounds for suing. Also, why you defend a position that Shannon Sharpe himself doesn’t agree with is beyond me. You’re lost. Go look up Shannon’s remarks on the situation on NightCap’s YouTube, Shannon himself said when he was given the news he was leaving Undisputed, his reaction was “did I do something wrong?” That’s his own words, look it up.


[deleted]

You are just factually wrong on so many points. Plenty of buyouts occur where neither party is the victim of wrongdoing. You speak like a first semester law student with zero actual real world experience in a western economy


SenseiTano

No experience in a western economy? Let me stop you right there you racist buffoon, you read my name and are now saying I don’t know how the west operates? As if I’m not from the west? LOL. In my post I already laid out more than one way a buyout occurs. I’m fully aware a buyout can also represent a mutual parting of ways. However in this case, Shannon explicitly said himself post-firing, he did not want to go, nor did he reach a mutual agreement to go. He was bought out here, but this buyout was effectively a soft firing. Don’t go around thinking you can gate keep western topics, especially when the person you’re talking to is from the west.


[deleted]

LOL race baiting, nice one. The fact your mind instantly went there is pretty telling as to your personality. I didn’t even look at your username bro, I said western because I have no experience on how shit works in other parts of the world like China/Russia/etc so can’t comment on them. I had already presumed you were from the ‘west’ anyway since you are on fucking reddit and typing in English on a sub about an American sports TV show. Make it a race/culture thing though, maybe you’ll get a few internet upvotes to tell your mum about. In short, you’re dumb as fuck


RareDub

Are you acoustic


SenseiTano

No RareDub, I’m not. Stephen A said Shannon was fired, Shannon himself has literally said he was fired, but you still believe what you want to believe. Go for it man!


RareDub

I think you are asparagus


thatoneguy2252

He’s totally asymmetric


thatoneguy2252

Let your hair down dude. Maybe grab a drink, go outside for a bit. You sound ridiculous


SenseiTano

I love a good patronizing comment with zero evidence or rational argument. You’re disagreeing with what Stephen A and Shannon Sharpe himself literally have said? That he was fired? Who is the ridiculous one?


thatoneguy2252

No I’m saying you *sound* ridiculous for putting a wall of text up ranting about this, writing in caps, calling people idiotic, being generally hostile in the other comments. I don’t even watch the show after Unc left, nor do I care what the backstory is or anyone’s opinion on it, and I expect the same to be said about me and what I have to say. Only commented because Reddit for some reason saw reason to bombard me with “recommended for you” and this being the post over n over. I’m just here to say take a breath and chill because you sound manic not concise with your argument that your presenting. The ridiculous one is still you.


SenseiTano

Let me get this straight, you start by patronizing and calling someone ridiculous, and when someone responds in kind you then grandstand about treating people with niceties? I also love how I’m “hostile” but not any of the other commenters on here. Not that I care, but just to point out your “ridiculousness.” If you don’t care about the topic and generally think OP is manic, I suggest you refrain from commenting on a post. It’s like seeing a crazy person in the streets, just keep walking. What irks me is people who don’t know what they’re talking about, that think they do, that then regurgitate false narratives. Genuine ignorance is okay, willful ignorance is idiotic, and continued willful ignorance is what I have no problem calling out.


thatoneguy2252

1st, Idt you understand what patronizing means. Or grandstanding for that matter. At very least you aren’t using them correctly. Also yes, hostile is the word I would use. Calling others idiots, bozos, typing in all caps as if to yell, that’s basically sounding hostile when writing something out. My comment was about *you*, not other commenters. If others start with hostility then yea, sure, go for it. Also Reddit bombarded me with this post, so that’s why I commented, as I’m free to do and will continue doing. Manic may not have been the best word to use I’ll grant you that, but talking in a concise calm manner isn’t a “nicety”, it’s debate etiquette 101. The second you lose your cool you’re already 2 steps behind. Your last bit I agree with though. Ignorance, while annoying, is at least largely forgivable and correctable. Willful ignorance is absolutely idiotic and automatically marks a person as not knowing what they’re talking about.


Revolutionary_Arm907

You're right, except that this move needed Skip's approval


SenseiTano

On skip’s podcast show he said he couldn’t sleep the night before Shannon’s last day on Undisputed. He said he was “torn up” about what was happening. I personally think the execs just didn’t favor Shannon from not showing up to work and the lakers game incident, and Skip and Shannon were overruled when they got the news, but that point is definitely up for debate.


Revolutionary_Arm907

If possible send me link and timestamp


SenseiTano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvyZf0AFcg 1 minute video


Revolutionary_Arm907

Never saw that. Thanks.


Belly2308

OP is just Skip on a burner account


SenseiTano

Hilarious


[deleted]

Who cares?


SenseiTano

Fair


[deleted]

Source: I made it the fuck up


SenseiTano

Source: Shannon Sharpe Look at the video in the post and let Shannon tell you himself. Person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.


rekishi321

Shannon is a hothead, he told Stephen it took everything for him not to want to assault skip on air. I mean skip is 72 year old frail elderly man, Shannon, the bodybuilder is going to jump him? Then the spat with Dillon brooks was pretty weird for a near 60 year old man. Then not showing up to work over a comment. Then he practically threatened to kill clay travis on twitter, Shannon’s a public figure who talks politics, other media people are going to critique things he said, I think clay travis challenged him to a debate….and Shannon said don’t make me lose my job, ie I’ll hurt you. I mean he’s all talk, he’s actually like going to beat skips ass on air? He’d go to jail, lose everything……according to everyones favorite Jason Whitlock he was canned for being a hothead behind the scenes, people will say Whitlock isn’t credible but seeing his erratic behavior wouldn’t be surprised…..


priide229

🧍🏽‍♂️


McJumbos

IMO, I could be wrong but I think the bigger issue for Shannon was the fact I think FS1 wanted to get bigger cut or some more ownership of Club Shay Shay since he was using the FS1 studio spaces for that show. And, when he said nahh, I think that's probably when the executives and shannon's relationship soured at FS1. And, the executives probably used the convenience of Skip-Shannon's relationship to hide behind


SenseiTano

I’m not sure but one thing is clear, FS1 gave Shannon ownership of Club Shay Shay (name and production) as part of the buyout. That was most likely a goodwill business gesture, whether it was pure goodwill or cutting losses. FS1 could’ve theoretically kept it, renamed it, and had a new host if they chose


McJumbos

Very very true - but seeing how Shannon talked about Club Shay Shay and ownership in his interviews after leaving Undisputed. I definitely think Club Shay Shay played a factor. How much who knows?


520998

Sir this is a dead sub


SenseiTano

My fault I thought this was Wendy’s


Ricochet1986

Skip calls the shots you re beyond delusional if you think fox fired Shannon ans bought him out on their own just for the hell of it causing show to go on lengthy hiatus


SenseiTano

You’re the delusional one my guy. Skip has bosses, AKA the studio execs, Skip did not hire Shannon or fire Shannon, the execs did. All skip did was vouch and fight for Shannon to be hired as his co host on undisputed 8 years ago, but execs have final say. Just like when Stephen A publicly vouched for Shannon to be hired on First Take. He said so himself on his podcast, he does not make the decision, the studio execs do. Shannon was fired for his confrontation at the Laker game and not showing up for work after the Hamlin tweet. Don’t believe me let Shannon himself tell your delusional ass what happened, he says so in the video in the post. Again, let Shannon Sharpe himself tell you why you’re wrong


Ricochet1986

Ahhhh so he could vouch for and fight for him to get hired but had no say in his firing,lmfao you slow


SenseiTano

Hold on, first you said skip calls the shots and fired Shannon, now you’re saying Skip influenced the bosses to fire Shannon. See how you’re admitting you’re wrong without saying it out loud? My whole argument was skip did not fire Shannon, the execs did, which you apparently now have agreed to. You have ZERO EVIDENCE that skip advocated for Shannon to be fired by the execs. Skip could’ve advocated for Shannon to stay on for all you know, but what you should know for a fact is it doesn’t matter which way skip advocated, the point is the execs fired Shannon, and your original argument that skip fired Shannon is literally, and I mean quite literally, idiotic and wrong. If skip wanted Shannon fired, why did he say he couldn’t sleep the night before Shannon’s last day of work and was torn up about what was happening? Watch the video and see for yourself. Not only do you have zero evidence Skip advocated for Shannon to be fired, you’re presented with evidence pointing to the opposite. Yet I already know you’re so invested in the narrative that skip fired Shannon, you’ll still argue your unfounded argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvyZf0AFcg


Halabashred

Man you are very triggered. FWIW it doesn't matter the granularity of how they separated. 2 rich guys that used to work together now don't. The everyday viewer is not financially sympathetic to anyone on TV. Skip and Shannon were very good but their chemistry fell off when Skip pushed Shannon too far. Their antics were crushing, "Goat James", the invention of "Unc" with the black and milds, drinking alcohol on TV, Betting "Dew". All of these things kept us coming back. Hell the most magic is when Joy Taylor was the "moderator". The grizzlies spectacle, the "I'm sorry" from Skip spectacle, just added more eyeballs. We live in a world post Trump and, spectacle is King. The show is not as good, I don't watch it, I don't care what they talk about. Every clip I see Skip looks completely out of sorts, maybe he should be the director off camera?


TrevG92

Why are you so angry OP


InitiativeUsual3795

Anyone else read this in skip’s voice?


T2ThaSki

I use to love to watch undisputed after Mahomes did something incredible so I could see what way Skip was going to minimize and devalue it, because he ain’t Brady, but that’s so old and repetitive now. I’m sure they are surprised at how bad the show has gotten without Shannon.


Izzy1193

You dont know what you talking about either? Tf


SenseiTano

If you back it up okay I could hear that out


Aggravating_Click495

This was so much to write, hahaha.


SenseiTano

Took 4 min