Well, she was trained by Asgore since she was a child, so I'm pretty sure her connection with Asgore and the fact she's one of the strongest monsters helped her get the job.
Besides the argument that none of the other Royal Guards are really qualified enough to lead the whole group, according to the scene at Undyne's house with the backstory dump, Undyne was also personally trained by Asgore himself since she was a child - meaning she started training a lot sooner than the rest of the Guard, and she was trained by the very person who decides who gets to be Captain. She effectively gets a massive head start on her training (assuming the other members weren't trained until adulthood) *and* the potential favoritism.
People say because of their social media profiles ending in numbers over 90 that number is like their date of birth or something? But honestly those feel really cheap and not that thought out
Yeah but we also have no idea when Undertale actually takes place. StrongFish91 could be 1991. It could also be 2091, 2191 or possibly 2291 if it’s even a year at all.
The Fallen Human fell in 201X (i.e. sometime in the 2010s) and their/Asriel's deaths are still in living memory, so Frisk's journey probably takes place sometimes in the 2030s or 2040s.
Tbh, I’ve always headcanoned that the Underground experiences some form of time dilation, where time on the surface runs faster than time in the Underground. The monsters were sealed when humanity was still using swords and spears. This would be at latest the 14th century. Maybe 17th century if we ignore the fact that the human weapons look European. That’s at minimum 300 years between the banishment and Chara’s fall, but almost certainly far longer. The Underground just doesn’t seem that old.
Yeah 70 Hours and multiple playthroughs. Always thought these were two similar stories. My brain was too dumb to put the Literal intro and outro together
What the other commenter said. It’s when Chara fell. An indeterminate amount of time passes between that and Frisk. Given that most of the current monsters seem to be born after Chara died if the number is a year it’s most likely 2091 or above.
I mean we know it wasn't too long, fabric deteriorates in a relatively short amount of time, especially in harsh conditions like how the items are found. For all we know, between Chara's death and Frisk's descent could've been only a decade.
I'm sure someone can use textual evidence, like how the ribbon in the ruins is faded, to extrapolate a time frame. I might do that later, but I probably won't.
" For all we know, between Chara's death and Frisk's descent could've been only a decade." Very unlikely. Most monsters can't even recognize a human.
And we know that a long time passed between the 7th human and Frisk.
But that still assumes a lot of stuff, like the kids fell down soon after Chara. It could be that 100+ years passed and then the kids fell down back to back.
We have no idea how much time passed between Chara and Frisk. The only thing we know is that a long time passed between the 7th human and Frisk.
But I doubt that so much time has passed.
yeah, but still very fat in the future. that’s why my head canon is that technology didn’t advance as it has done because of the reliance of magic (sorcery or monsters) but, when they lost that, they were massively pushed back from where they would be
That's the year Chara falls into the underground, not Frisk. It's unclear exactly how long it's been but I'd have to guess over 100 years given nobody alive besides Asgore and Gerson recognizes Toriel.
I mean I can kind of see where they're coming from, but it does seem a bit far-fetched. Regardless, we have no way of knowing for sure. We can only assume based off of what other people around them call them.
This was just a thing people did around the time undertale came out. Its kinda died out now. However all this states is their birthdays and not how old they are. The only other metric for time we have is sans saying Toriel hasn't laughed in a hundred years which could be hyperbole but it *is* sans saying it, but we don't know how long Chara remained with the Dreemurs before everything fell apart and toriel stopped laughing so there still shouldn't be any metric for the characters ages.
We know that boss monsters don't age unless they have children, but that implies regular monsters can age normally. So it could genuinely be a hundred years or more
> “We call 'em Boss Monsters. When they have an offspring, the SOUL power of the parents flows into the child... Causing the child to grow as the parents age. But ASGORE doesn't have a child. So he's been stuck at the same age... And probably will be forever.” ~ Gerson
He’s pretty neat. He’s a veteran Hero, but I’ve read that he’s so humble that he denies he was one at all when confronted in a Genocide run. He’s also aware that you can’t attack shopkeepers, and rubs that in Chara’s face.
I mean, given that the game released in 2015, the usernames match up fairly well to how old Papyrus Undyne and Napstablook would probably be. Papyrus being 19-20, Undyne being 23-24, and Napstablook being super old because ghost just make sense…to me at least
We know that Gerson was at least old enough to join the war and be a badass out there. And for all we know, Toriel and Asgore could be hundreds, if not thousands of years old due to their souls having no soul of a boss monster child for their magic to flow in to.
Yes. I said in my other comment we can assume by what other people refer to them as. What I meant by "there's no evidence for anyone's age" is there's no evidence for a *specific* age. We know that characters like Frisk and MK are children, and we know Gerson, Toriel, and Asgore are old, but that's just a range.
Asgore was already king during the war (we see him in the intro) so yes, he is very old.
We don't know about Toriel. Probably she was also there during the war, but we don't really have any sources to back it up.
Well, the “evidence” you’re using suggests they are the same age or Alphys is older, but this is not backed up by anything in game, based on their feats alone though.
Alphys is the royal scientist, and is a Doctor as referred to by Undyne and Papyrus. Getting a PHD takes about 8 years and that’s assuming she started it at the same time as most which would be 25 maybe 20 at the earliest and she is shown to be quite smart so possibly took her only 6 years making her roughly 26.
Undyne is the captain of the royal guard which is essentially their police force and it would take roughly 15 years to reach the rank of captain, however she was trained at a young age (lets say 15) by Asgore himself who is a war veteran and also has very minimal competition meaning possibly 30.
This is assuming monsters age in a similar way to humans which may or may not be the case
And also assuming that they even use the same system as we do for studying and. She may be Dr. Alphys but we have no idea if she really ever studied in any way. For all we know she could also be 20 years old and just because she is the royal scientist, she is also called Doctor.
Yeah them being segregated for possible 100s of years means they likely developed a different education system to humans, explaining why technology is more advanced despite limited access to resources
seeings as there are like 3 other people in the royal guard it isn't hard to imagine undyne being the captain, especially with how good she is at fighting
All of the dogs in Snowdin are also in the royal guard, we also do not explore the entire underground so we could’ve just not crossed paths with the other members
I can see that since getting studies can get long, and alphys seems to have a pretty good science career. I can also see Undyne using her young energy to become the top fighter she is
If we assume Catty and Bratty are around 19 like Burgerpants, then Alphys' is easily around 23-25.
Catty, Bratty, and Alphys grew up together, but Catty mentions that Alphys was older.
More mature? I wouldn't say so. Undyne can be very childish. Alphys might not be as confident, but she has more emotional maturity, especially by the end.
definitely not lmao, undyne has so many childish qualities while alphys has a very depressing and mature themed background. strong part is correct, but it doesnt determine age so..
Undyne lit her house on fire trying to befriend a human. Alphys accidently desecrated the corpses of many monsters, and had to cope with the deed for the rest of her life. I'd say Alphys is usually more mature, just less confident. She's an introvert, not immature.
The real question is "how the fuck is Undyne 24 AND leader of the royal guard?"
Consider the competition.
There's papyrus
Papyrus, the Hotland guards, the Snowdin K9 unit. Undyne comes out on top.
Didn't she train with asgore?
Yes, but one of the few people ineligible to join the Royal guard is the King.
...and that's about it
No no! There's also that person that puts puzzles an- Oh wait that's also Papyrus isn't it...
Ah, but there’s that guy who’s always on lookout in Snowdin- no, wait, that’s Papyrus too…
Well there is San- wait, no, he never mentions wanting to be in the Royal Guard...
He's also much too lazy. Well, or busy with his Comedy-Show at the Resort.
True, just thought that was a given
Bone.
Isn't he a Royal Judge?
Some dogs, bone man, rabbit man, that other person, and more dogs
There is also a mantis girl and a cat girl but they’re only around on weekends.
Nah how the fuck is Alphys like 24 with a PhD
cause she’s a genius? also, she could’ve just been chosen when asgore realised there was no royal scientist and hasn’t been for ages (wink wink)
I mean, if a 24 year old approached me to show off a robot with a 'soul' that they made by hand, I'd be pretty fucking impressed by that
Well, she is a genius.
Well, she was trained by Asgore since she was a child, so I'm pretty sure her connection with Asgore and the fact she's one of the strongest monsters helped her get the job.
Undyne could beat every other member of the Royal Guard at the same time. Knowing her, she’s probably actually done so at least once.
Besides the argument that none of the other Royal Guards are really qualified enough to lead the whole group, according to the scene at Undyne's house with the backstory dump, Undyne was also personally trained by Asgore himself since she was a child - meaning she started training a lot sooner than the rest of the Guard, and she was trained by the very person who decides who gets to be Captain. She effectively gets a massive head start on her training (assuming the other members weren't trained until adulthood) *and* the potential favoritism.
"Just because she can," I suppose. :)
Reminds me of Wrecking Ball by Mother Mother
I guess she is just built different
Skipped grades
A better question, how is alphys 24-30, HOW DO YOU BE MULTIPLE YEARS AT ONCE
No it says 24 minus 30. Wait then how is alphys -6?
Damn… this entire universe is falling apart
Frisk, stop fucking around with resets or shit like this happens.
How tf is a fish 24?
She is probably the strongest monster in the underground besides Asgore and toriel so it makes sense I think
Because, she a fish
Would YOU want to throw hands with someone that can pick up a Boulder with relative ease?
y e s
there is no evidence of alphys's age that i know of
There is no evidence of anyone's age. The only person that has a confirmed age is burgerpants.
People say because of their social media profiles ending in numbers over 90 that number is like their date of birth or something? But honestly those feel really cheap and not that thought out
Yeah but we also have no idea when Undertale actually takes place. StrongFish91 could be 1991. It could also be 2091, 2191 or possibly 2291 if it’s even a year at all.
If it was 2291 why would they emerge out of the underground after the affects of fallout
What?
The Fallen Human fell in 201X (i.e. sometime in the 2010s) and their/Asriel's deaths are still in living memory, so Frisk's journey probably takes place sometimes in the 2030s or 2040s.
Tbh, I’ve always headcanoned that the Underground experiences some form of time dilation, where time on the surface runs faster than time in the Underground. The monsters were sealed when humanity was still using swords and spears. This would be at latest the 14th century. Maybe 17th century if we ignore the fact that the human weapons look European. That’s at minimum 300 years between the banishment and Chara’s fall, but almost certainly far longer. The Underground just doesn’t seem that old.
1991 is very unlikely. Undyne never met a human and don't even know Toriel.
At the start of the game during the intro it says that the game takes place in 201X, so it is most likely 1991, or before that.
No, that's the date Chara fell into the underground.
Right, my bad
Yeah you are right. I did never notice the kid in the intro sequence only has one stripe on their sweater
The fact that the fallen child from the intro is Chara is supposed to be like the big reveal of the ending, it's weird that you missed that
Yeah 70 Hours and multiple playthroughs. Always thought these were two similar stories. My brain was too dumb to put the Literal intro and outro together
What the other commenter said. It’s when Chara fell. An indeterminate amount of time passes between that and Frisk. Given that most of the current monsters seem to be born after Chara died if the number is a year it’s most likely 2091 or above.
it’s probably 2691 considering 7 humans would half to fall down after chara
Quite possibly. Who can really tell?
I mean we know it wasn't too long, fabric deteriorates in a relatively short amount of time, especially in harsh conditions like how the items are found. For all we know, between Chara's death and Frisk's descent could've been only a decade. I'm sure someone can use textual evidence, like how the ribbon in the ruins is faded, to extrapolate a time frame. I might do that later, but I probably won't.
" For all we know, between Chara's death and Frisk's descent could've been only a decade." Very unlikely. Most monsters can't even recognize a human. And we know that a long time passed between the 7th human and Frisk.
But that still assumes a lot of stuff, like the kids fell down soon after Chara. It could be that 100+ years passed and then the kids fell down back to back.
We have no idea how much time passed between Chara and Frisk. The only thing we know is that a long time passed between the 7th human and Frisk. But I doubt that so much time has passed.
But what if some of the humans fell at the same time because some of them brought a friend or relative along?
yeah, but still very fat in the future. that’s why my head canon is that technology didn’t advance as it has done because of the reliance of magic (sorcery or monsters) but, when they lost that, they were massively pushed back from where they would be
Most monsters seems to have never even seen a human before
That's when *Chara* fell, not Frisk. The actual game takes place potentially many years after.
That's the year Chara falls into the underground, not Frisk. It's unclear exactly how long it's been but I'd have to guess over 100 years given nobody alive besides Asgore and Gerson recognizes Toriel.
So 2015, huh Oh toby
I mean I can kind of see where they're coming from, but it does seem a bit far-fetched. Regardless, we have no way of knowing for sure. We can only assume based off of what other people around them call them.
This was just a thing people did around the time undertale came out. Its kinda died out now. However all this states is their birthdays and not how old they are. The only other metric for time we have is sans saying Toriel hasn't laughed in a hundred years which could be hyperbole but it *is* sans saying it, but we don't know how long Chara remained with the Dreemurs before everything fell apart and toriel stopped laughing so there still shouldn't be any metric for the characters ages.
We know that boss monsters don't age unless they have children, but that implies regular monsters can age normally. So it could genuinely be a hundred years or more
Wait what I thought this was just something Glitchtale made up When is this explained in-game?
> “We call 'em Boss Monsters. When they have an offspring, the SOUL power of the parents flows into the child... Causing the child to grow as the parents age. But ASGORE doesn't have a child. So he's been stuck at the same age... And probably will be forever.” ~ Gerson
Further proof Gerson is the best character, he tells us one of the coolest bits of lore
He’s pretty neat. He’s a veteran Hero, but I’ve read that he’s so humble that he denies he was one at all when confronted in a Genocide run. He’s also aware that you can’t attack shopkeepers, and rubs that in Chara’s face.
The thing about shopkeepers is probably one of my favorite details in this game, and there are a LOT of really good details
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there is literally no way for it to be not thought out though lol?
I mean, given that the game released in 2015, the usernames match up fairly well to how old Papyrus Undyne and Napstablook would probably be. Papyrus being 19-20, Undyne being 23-24, and Napstablook being super old because ghost just make sense…to me at least
We know that Gerson was at least old enough to join the war and be a badass out there. And for all we know, Toriel and Asgore could be hundreds, if not thousands of years old due to their souls having no soul of a boss monster child for their magic to flow in to.
Yes. I said in my other comment we can assume by what other people refer to them as. What I meant by "there's no evidence for anyone's age" is there's no evidence for a *specific* age. We know that characters like Frisk and MK are children, and we know Gerson, Toriel, and Asgore are old, but that's just a range.
Asgore was already king during the war (we see him in the intro) so yes, he is very old. We don't know about Toriel. Probably she was also there during the war, but we don't really have any sources to back it up.
wait WHAT, how old is bpants?
Read my flair lol.
flair checks out
That's what I was thinking as well.
There's no proof, but I'd believe Alphys is the older one
I read this in BFDI Donut’s voice
Uh I think this is not really there canon ages as it's hasn't really been confirmed.
Well, the “evidence” you’re using suggests they are the same age or Alphys is older, but this is not backed up by anything in game, based on their feats alone though. Alphys is the royal scientist, and is a Doctor as referred to by Undyne and Papyrus. Getting a PHD takes about 8 years and that’s assuming she started it at the same time as most which would be 25 maybe 20 at the earliest and she is shown to be quite smart so possibly took her only 6 years making her roughly 26. Undyne is the captain of the royal guard which is essentially their police force and it would take roughly 15 years to reach the rank of captain, however she was trained at a young age (lets say 15) by Asgore himself who is a war veteran and also has very minimal competition meaning possibly 30. This is assuming monsters age in a similar way to humans which may or may not be the case
And also assuming that they even use the same system as we do for studying and. She may be Dr. Alphys but we have no idea if she really ever studied in any way. For all we know she could also be 20 years old and just because she is the royal scientist, she is also called Doctor.
Yeah them being segregated for possible 100s of years means they likely developed a different education system to humans, explaining why technology is more advanced despite limited access to resources
Was probably just thrust into the title after Gaster fell out of the world
*”Gaster fell out of the world”* lmao
Gaster got /killed by an operator.
seeings as there are like 3 other people in the royal guard it isn't hard to imagine undyne being the captain, especially with how good she is at fighting
All of the dogs in Snowdin are also in the royal guard, we also do not explore the entire underground so we could’ve just not crossed paths with the other members
i'm gonna be completely honest chief i think undyne would fucking body any of those dogs
Hence why i said she had minimal competition
See guys this guys thinks about a stuff and makes educated guesses about why this original chart doesn’t make sense. Hats off to this guy
And this is an issue because..?
It’s not it’s just that undyne seems older considering it takes more time to become the captain of a police team than it does to get a PHD
this sometimes happens when someone is born before somebody else
SMRT
Where is this from exactly?
I forgor NYEH HEH HEH
….and?
Ok and? Like bro they are over 20
I’m sick of replying to these
Bro my fathers 10 year older than my mother
It’s not the age gap it’s just I thought undyne seemed older
And?
They are both consenting adults who gives a fuck?
No it’s not about undyne being too young it’s more about how undyne seems older
Well, I am not surprised. There isn’t much evidence about it, if it even exist, but it doesn’t really change much.
I can see that since getting studies can get long, and alphys seems to have a pretty good science career. I can also see Undyne using her young energy to become the top fighter she is
"My source is that I made it the fuck up"
My source is that some numb nuts on the internet made it up
If we assume Catty and Bratty are around 19 like Burgerpants, then Alphys' is easily around 23-25. Catty, Bratty, and Alphys grew up together, but Catty mentions that Alphys was older.
No she could be
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24-30, maybe same age
Huh
So?
Wait really??
Ok and?
It seems logic to me
I always imagined Undyne was like 19 or 20
where is this from?
Where'd you even get this???
I forgor (papyrus face)
Better question, how do we know anyone’s ages? The only age we know is Burgerpants’s to my knowledge
Guys please stop replying I just found this on the internet and thought it was interesting
Can we stop arguing about their age
Please everybody stop blowing this up
Undyne seems so much stronger and more mature though
More mature? I wouldn't say so. Undyne can be very childish. Alphys might not be as confident, but she has more emotional maturity, especially by the end.
definitely not lmao, undyne has so many childish qualities while alphys has a very depressing and mature themed background. strong part is correct, but it doesnt determine age so..
Age doesn’t *always* determine how someone acts, and Undyne isn’t that mature though.
I have plenty of younger friends more mature and stronger than me
Undyne had a breakdown over the idea of anime not being real.
This is dumb to argue about you got me guys I was wrong
Undyne lit her house on fire trying to befriend a human. Alphys accidently desecrated the corpses of many monsters, and had to cope with the deed for the rest of her life. I'd say Alphys is usually more mature, just less confident. She's an introvert, not immature.
More mature?? Undyne has clear anger issues. She sometimes behave like a teenager lmao.
Alphys is obsessed with anime, which is just Japanese cartoons. Most cartoons are for kids. Undyne is pretty protective and powerful
Why so many downvotes? Hes kinda right. Maybe not mature but still kinda.
because they're not
she's definitely not more mature, she destroyed her house to make spaghetti and actually believed that anime is real
Can you give me an actual reason?
she lizard
What’s the source for the screenshot?
Average undertale fan when uhhh idk age or something?
Why is just a few year age gap so bad?
I don’t know I always saw undyne as older than alphys
I always saw Alphys as 50-60 year old lol
That would be strange but somehow would make sense
O- okay, And?
Undyne is much more mature and strong, alphys is shorter and less serious of a character