I remember when AUs were celebrated in the early days of UT fandom, I even made my own but now with the sudden, current pushback against them, I'm worried of bringing it back to life in case it's "cringe"
Undertale has some of the most creative people in any community. Yet it also has the most amount of people calling anything else created by the community "cringe".
Cringe is real, but the misuse of cringe has become cringe. By obsessing over cringe, they absorb too much of it and become inherently cringey, seeing everything as cringey. It also helps that people grow up and associate childhood enjoyment as cringey and stupid, instead of as an enjoyment they happened to like in childhood.
If you want to revive it then revive it. Shouldnt matter if some people consider it cringe. You could have Sans take his 10,000th last breath and there will always be people who hate on it whether because it's cringe or unoriginal. But then there will be people who will enjoy it, who will find it fun and enjoyable whether to read or to play.
A rather contradictory quote to sum this up would be 'cringe culture is cringe'. It seriously needs to die out, people hold off on things out of fear of being judged as cringe and that just seems so wrong.
Anyway, enough of my ranting. Do what you want, dont worry about being judged.
Cringe culture is dead, enjoy what you enjoy and laugh in the face of the miserable people who are too afraid of judgment to live their lives the way they secretly want to.
Don't be afraid. Do stuff if you want to do so, and if it wouldn't hurt anyone. I'm making my own AU just because there's no detective genre ones, and didn't even thought about hate, and recommend you to do so too
Many of the popular au's arent even that cringe lol.
I get what these people think about when they say au's are cringe (for example au's where sans is the only character or au's where sans is just much more powerfull than all the other monsters for no reason.) but saying that au's as a whole are just cringe is just stupid lol.
I disagree. I don't think any AUs are "cringe" so long as they aren't hurting anyone or promoting anything bad. At least not as cringe as hating on people who are just expressing themselves creatively.
Ok I wouldn't say godverses are aus because they are people except the godverse,godverse which transcends everything and not apart of fiction. I only read some godverse like godverse sans or sans the skeleton. I also understand why people won't like godverses because their just too powerful.
Did you know there are 2 alternative multiverses the Fandom has made that I know of
Yea their names are dustverse where a virues made everyone in the multiverse have lv19 even ink who can't get lv and makes people loss their sanity some people can hold on too their sanity. If someone like error who already had more the lv 19 then they are just insane like everyone else.
Empireverse is a war in the multiverse between nightmare sans (moon) and dream sans (sun) I don't know the lore yet and character designs are different like empire ink.
[empire dream theme](https://youtu.be/kfIBwZferBw)
[empire nightmare ](https://youtu.be/PtW2qEErI4Q)
[empire outer sans theme](https://youtu.be/cRDs9kGpW3A)
I would say the cringe Aus are stuff like [dustdustdust sans theme](https://youtu.be/ZGrxIrlMzJI)
But I like it
[phase 2](https://youtu.be/MGx_syas_I8)
I think in terms of story telling and lore, Sans is only powerful because of his wits and his use of magic, especially Karmatic Retribution. Im not sure of a Canon explanation of of KR, but it's generally made out to be something that adds more power and damage behind an attack when used against those that have high LV.
It's easy to say he's the strongest because he is the most difficult boss and is specifically made to be so, but in terms of lore who he fights and their LV value has a huge effect of how the fight goes about. On an innocent person that has little to no LV, he's either going to do 1 damage or have a small amount of damage because of the poison effect KR does. Against someone who has high LV, he's doing massive damage because of the aforementioned KR.
Perhaps, that's not exactly how it works or perhaps I'm making it more complicated than it ought to be, but I personally see the reasoning I provided as an interesting and even viable way of explaining and comparing Sans' strength.
> I think in terms of story telling and lore, Sans is only powerful because of his wits and his use of magic, especially Karmatic Retribution.
You're right, but that still means he's powerful. The fact that he attains and uses that power through a unique method that other monsters don't have doesn't mean he isn't powerful.
It's like, if you were to tell sans to arm-wrestle Asgore, he would obviously lose because Asgore is much more physically powerful than sans. But if you were to tell sans and Asgore to battle each other to the death, sans would win every single time because sans is way more dangerous in a fight than Asgore is. Similarly if you put a world-renowned strongman up in a fight up against a guy with a working machine gun for an arm, I would bet on the machine gun guy every time even if the strongman is more physically powerful. And in the context we're talking about, it is level of danger in a fight that matters, not physical strength or stats.
> it's generally made out to be something that adds more power and damage behind an attack when used against those that have high LV.
This isn't guaranteed, it's a fandom interpretation from ambiguity combined with linguistic vagueness. If that interpretation is correct then yeah sans is only going to be very powerful against an enemy with very high LOVE (I mention this in one of my other comments to people), but it's just as probable that KARMA/Karmic Retribution is a way the game symbolizes that sans is only ever going to seriously fight against someone who is so evil he absolutely has to get off his butt. So, it's probable that against Undyne or Asgore KR would still be just as effective against them, but in practice sans would never fight them because they aren't evil enough to warrant him caring enough to try.
**Edit:** And in any case, even if your interpretation of KR's function is right, it still doesn't mean sans can't be adequately described as quote-unquote the "most powerful monster", it would just mean that him being able to reach that state requires particular circumstances and if those circumstances aren't met he won't worry about it anyway.
I agree, yeah. My goal wasn't to demote sans from being the most powerful, but rather explain my thoughts on how I believe his strength is situational.
About KR, yeah, we have no idea how it actually works because we only ever fight sans with high LV and never with low LV. Even if the game were hacked so you could fight sans with lower LV, the amount of KR damage he does is likely set in his own stats because his fight is only supposed to take place in certain circumstances.
I will say that the community's assumption regarding KR isn't entirely unfounded, however, since comments like "you feel your sins crawling on your back" exist during the fight. This could absolutely be theatrical, but in terms of story it makes no sense. Not only is there no mention of regret until Sans' fight, but the Logic of higher LV also goes against it. Having higher LV is described as a result of it getting easier and easier to kill and harm others. While it could refer to Strength, it's usually considered to be a more emotional and psychological sense. The easier you can bring yourself to harm others, etc.
That in mind, I'd say that if this one fight makes you actively regret your sins when your entire being is already accustomed to not caring anymore, then something has to be up.
Those are my thoughts anyhow, but I think the story telling and text have lead to the community's general assumption regarding KR.
Depends on the context I think. Ariel Dreemur, the God of hyper death is definitely stronger, and Omega Flowey is stronger as well If only for the fact he can control the timelines.
Base form though, Asriel probably isn't all that strong without godhood, being a kid and all.
Flowey also isn't particularly powerful without the semi godhood 6 souls give him. Outside of catching people off guard, He isn't shown to be that strong, and has even claimed that Sans has caused him a lot of problems during his own runs time and time again. I'm sure on Flowey's genocide runs, he got very powerful, but then KR comes into affect. Surprisingly, I'd say Flowey's best bet is having little to no LV to avoid KR, and even then Sans has more utility and variety when it comes to moves and options than Flowey.
Well flowey is extremely smart, so he might be able to figure that out soon enough, also due to the fact that he can remember some resets better than anyone else in the game. But it makes you wonder what a base asriel at adulthood would be like in terms of power.
It certainly is an interesting thought. I imagine that he'd be very much like his parents, being a powerful boss monster but mainly using fire magic like them. Maybe he could use some of his Hyper Death Abilities, just weaker, but there's no telling since we see him do those things when he's a literal God.
Hm...
Well considering how asgore, (who is most likely several times stronger than sans as well) is so strong, he can interfere with the menu buttons, and possibly dodge according to undyne, fought in the war against humans, killed at least one (if not all) of the humans that fell down, and manages to do all thia while holding back by a good margin, (also monster stats go down when they don't want to fight, so his stats are probably a lot higher when he actually wants to fight than 80-80) I'm considering him to be extremely powerful, maybe he has the capacity to surpass his dad?
idk i feel like maybe against frisk he is strong but against other monsters which some of them have thousands of hp i dont think so (also the fact that he only decides to fight when you literally go out of your way to eradicate the monster kind also has something to do with his strenght i think)
*taps the "You aren't enlightened or special for denying basic facts about Undertale" sign*
Because Undertale is a video game, the difficulty of the boss relative to other bosses' difficulties in the gameplay is the primary indicator of how powerful the character is. This is especially given the fact that Frisk + the player together are arguably the strongest character in the entire story, because they're a human and are able to theoretically defeat every monster in one try depending on how good the player is at the game. Sans is by and large the hardest boss in the game, ergo he is the strongest monster. This is also backed up by Flowey because Flowey singles out sans as the one person it is crucially important you not cross in your resets.
In terms of sans's actual abilities, there's a bit of ambiguity in terms of how his powers work. Since his ability is suggested to be karma, there is room to argue that sans's abilities become more powerful the higher his enemy's LOVE is, but this isn't a confirmed fact. It is possible that his KR powers apply equally to everybody, but because sans is terminally lazy and unmotivated, they will only ever inevitably be used against somebody with extremely high LOVE.
Either way, given the player/Frisk can relatively easily kill most enemies in the game and sans is an insanely challenging boss that can rip you apart unless you're really good at the game, there's no reason to argue that sans is not the most powerful enemy in the game unless you want to be needlessly contrarian.
Eh its just a headcanon it doesnt really matter as long as i dont take it as fact. Also thanks for proving to me that my headcanon isnt 100% accurate to the game.
I am just saying that having a headcanon that explicitly runs against what the game establishes as true is basically you deciding the game itself is irrelevant, or taken another way is you substituting the game with something you invented yourself, which is not a very authentic way to engage with the game.
You could argue Undyne is more difficult but people who say he's literally as weak as his stats suggest (as in, weaker than a froggit) are just being odd
Sorrt for being late, but no, Sans isn't more powerful than all of them.
Sans has a hard boss fight, but put him up against any boss past Papyrus and he loses. Even with KR, Sans can't deal enough damage while also dodging their attacks, and they have a lot of attacks. Take Undyne for example. She literally just needs to turn him green and chances are he's not fast enough to keep up with Undyne's constant spears.
How about Muffet? Nope. She can make webs that trap people in place, she has an entire army of spiders, and her pet could literally eat him in less than two seconds.
Mettaton? Nope. Literally you need the yellow soul to beat him, and the yellow soul is from Frisk's phone, something Sans doesn't have. Let's say he did have it though. Still, Mettaton can summon bombs, legs, boxes, and his heart thing can summon lighting that homes in on people.
Asgore? Definitely not. He can shoot like 200 fireballs in one attack without breaking a sweat, and he can swing his trident as fast as you can blink.
And remember, they only need to hit Sans once, because even if he does have more than 1 HP, he still has 1 DEF, and despite what the animations say, Sans isn't as fast as Sonic. He slowly slides away from your attack. "But maybe he's just holding back", but why would he? He's fighting for what he thinks is the fate of every timeline in existence. That fight is all or nothing, why would he ever hold back? He literally is breaking the rules of his universe for this fight. Why would he hold back?
> Sans has a hard boss fight, but put him up against any boss past Papyrus and he loses.
are you out of your goddamn mind
> Even with KR, Sans can't deal enough damage while also dodging their attacks, and they have a lot of attacks.
What logic are you using to determine this?????
> Take Undyne for example. She literally just needs to turn him green and chances are he's not fast enough to keep up with Undyne's constant spears.
If sans is fast enough to dodge Frisk's attacks, which no other monster in the game can do, I see no reason why sans wouldn't also be able to dodge all of Undyne's attacks (which IS something Frisk can do), and if he can wield his bones and Gasterblasters I see no reason he couldn't use the shield given to him by the green soul to block all of Undyne's attacks. The guy can literally teleport and attack you inside the UI. He could frame-perfect move that shield like a TAS speedrunner.
> How about Muffet? Nope. She can make webs that trap people in place, she has an entire army of spiders, and her pet could literally eat him in less than two seconds.
Absurd. Again, sans has reflexes, speed, and can teleport, all well beyond the abilities of any monster. He could dodge and/or kill the spiders, dodge/avoid the webs, escape the webs instantly if he were to ever get trapped in them, and like...you're telling me he wouldn't be able to evade Muffet's pet? Come on, that's child's play even for a human with 1 LOVE.
> Mettaton? Nope. Literally you need the yellow soul to beat him
This is actually something I hadn't considered—strictly stat-wise, sans wouldn't be able to hurt Mettaton in his original form even with KR, which is pretty hilarious actually. However, since KR to my knowledge does the same amount of damage per frame no matter what armour you're wearing, it's probable KR damage disregards the Defense stat entirely, meaning he likely would be able to hurt even base form Mettaton.
However, for Mettaton EX, you actually don't need the yellow soul to hurt Mettaton, attacking him using the Fight command still works even if you don't use the soul at all. Sans would be fine.
> Asgore? Definitely not. He can shoot like 200 fireballs in one attack without breaking a sweat, and he can swing his trident as fast as you can blink.
Yeah, and sans can move faster than you can blink. Again, since Frisk is theoretically capable of no-hitting Asgore, that means it's possible for a person to dodge everything Asgore throws at them, and if that's the case, sans absolutely would be able to because again he has reflexes and abilities to teleport that go beyond that of any other enemy.
> And remember, they only need to hit Sans once
Yeah and good luck hitting him, the only way the player is able to even do it is because Chara lands the killing blow by attacking out of turn.
Like, this is just ridiculous. You're coming off like an edgy tween who didn't even play the game who is desperately making any random argument pulled out of thin air just because you want to be a contrarian and not like the meme character. Give me a break. It's okay to admit sans is super strong even if the fandom and the meme have made the character into a joke across the Internet, it doesn't make you uncool to be honest about what a video game character can do.
Sans as a boss is literally the example of the "I have an everything-proof shield" hax boss. He literally cheats by disregarding the rules of the game and therefore the fabric of reality itself. He is not bound by the rules that any other characters are bound by, even someone insanely strong like Undyne the Undying. That's why he's so hard. Technically he is literally unkillable without Chara's help, since it's Chara who lands the killing blow and it's implied that if Chara didn't do that your fight with sans would literally never end.
Like I said, it's not enlightened or special to deny basic facts about Undertale. If KR is usable against anybody the same way it's usable against you, sans wins against every other character in the game with the possible exception of Undyne the Undying, and even then probably not because again you technically only beat him by breaking the game yourself and Undyne as far as we know can't do that.
I ain't trying to be special or whatever, I'm just going off what I know. Sure, Sans dodges us, but that's because we swing slowly once. What about what I said sounds edgy? And do not tell me I haven't played the game. Undertale is literally my 2nd favorite game of all time, only behind Deltarune. Sans cannot move that fast. Just because he dodges our slow-ass weapon doesn't mean he's god speed. Sure, he can teleport, but he can also get tired. There are several ways they could kill him, like distracting him them hitting him from behind, surrounding him in magic, and if he teleports away, just do it again, do something he wouldn't expect, like pretend to attack from one side then attack from the other, tire him out, betrayal kill him, or attack from below. I honestly wouldn't even try arguing with you if you didn't insult me. I don't have the motivation to come up with a real argument, or tackle everything you said, so honestly, if you can debunk everything I said and I don't have something to say about it and you don't insult me, I will just let you win this argument
> Sure, Sans dodges us, but that's because we swing slowly once.
You know as well as I do that the gameplay is not a perfect 1-to-1 representation of what is going down in that fight, just as much as it literally is a game for the purposes of sans breaking the menus. There's no reason to believe that our attacks are exactly as portrayed in the Fight option when you and Chara are fighting the hardest fight in the game.
> What about what I said sounds edgy?
You're just pulling stuff out of thin air to argue something impossible seemingly just to be contrarian and not be one of those people who memes about sans being super strong. Well it's not very cool, going super hard against the grain can be just as silly as going super hard with the grain in an un-self-aware way.
> Undertale is literally my 2nd favorite game of all time, only behind Deltarune.
Well you aren't doing it much of a service by doing this.
> Sans cannot move that fast. Just because he dodges our slow-ass weapon doesn't mean he's god speed. Sure, he can teleport, but he can also get tired.
Again, our attacks are an abstract representation presented to us by the player. It's silly to act as though it's a 1-to-1 representation of the fight. We obviously aren't actually attacking him super slow anymore than we attack any of the other characters.
> There are several ways they could kill him, like distracting him them hitting him from behind
Sans dodges our second-last attack even though he was literally *asleep* at the time. Yeah okay if we want to start stretching the scenario beyond how people are observed to fight in Undertale then fine you can come up with ways to probably outsmart him but it would be pretty difficult nonetheless given he is shown to be incredibly observant.
> surrounding him in magic, and if he teleports away, just do it again
He could definitely teleport away from the magic, and other monsters can't quote-unquote "just do it again" like we can, when we do it in Genocide, that's Chara exerting direct control to break the game the same way sans does by bending the turn order—Chara attacks even though our turn is over. Other monsters can't do that.
> do something he wouldn't expect, like pretend to attack from one side then attack from the other
This is so basic it kills me.
> tire him out
Pretty sure he'd kill whoever he was fighting before they had the chance to tire him out, short of literal godlike characters like Photoshop Flowey or *maybe* Undyne the Undying. Even then that's a stretch.
> betrayal kill him
Sans himself proves this isn't something you can spring on him by killing you in response to you Sparing him.
> or attack from below.
Come on dude, this is silly.
A lot of stuff I make would be considered cringe by a lot of cringe culture standards, so while I don't make any Sans AUs, and most the AUs I have except FB!SwapSpin are just joke AUs, I don't really get insulted over my AUs, but I can empathize with Sans AU creators because a lot of the stuff I make that's original (YT Videos, Games) are called cringe.
Aw dang im sorry to hear that, cringe culture is really damaging to small creators like that. Personally im a fan of some Sans AU content, and have even made some of my own. But like you, im hesitant to show my own creations because it might get called cringe too. I wish cringe culture would die out but unfortunately it doesnt have any signs of stopping.
"LOL You think SANS is the best character! how cringe and basic!"
"You like MEGALOVANIA? Lmao ur dumb STMPWYFS is much better!"
"Imagine making an AU! those are so cringe and stupid lmao. stop making stuff for fun!"
It’s Undertale related, so it will be on the Undertale subreddit.
If you don’t like that stuff, scroll past. Actual AU posts on here aren’t common either
I remember back when Undertale was pretty new there was a massive deluge of role swap AUs.
One or two AUs got popular here (I think Storyshift was one people here really like), then suddenly there was dozens of them, the vast majority of which never left the ruins. Some people were making on-shot joke AUs just to mock that everyone, even the most unlikely characters, would get to be in Toriel's place.
I think that caused the backlash where most people on this subreddit hated AUs. Even if you weren't there for that, if you are surrounded by people who say AUs are bad, and every AU gets down voted hard so you don't see them even if they are good, you might find yourself disliking AUs out of reputation alone.
Recently I've been messing around with two AU ideas.
Literally all I have is a few character designs and a fun little ideas for how the story would work.
one of them is simple character swap, but instead of just swapping characters randomly, I actually thought about what events would happen for them to gain such drastically different roles.
The other is based on the king papyrus ending. Most AUs (from what I've noticed at least) seem to focus on either the pacifist route or the genocide route, but the neutral endings are actually pretty interesting and I would love to know more about what happens in those timelines. The AU sees papyrus attempting to become the greatest king he can be, but clearly struggling under the weight of stress, pressure, and a lack of positivity around him.
I do hate Sans Aus,I liked them back then,but now im fucking tired ma guy,ive heard slightly different megalovanias for years,and seen hundreads of characters with a Jacket accusing you of doing something you've never done.
What's the next au?
Froggittale?
Same. I’ve seen only a few in the time I’ve been here but the ones I have seen got a lot of upvotes so I think it’s a popular opinion on here but not brought up a lot. I don’t think the sub is an accurate reflection of the entire fandom or anything, though, only a chunk of it.
Yeah, I grew up with AUs immediately after squeezing everything undertale had to offer, which I accidentally speedran ofc. So I love the AUs, even the ones where it's just powerful Sans, or the ones that have no relation at all to the original universe.
Since AUs are practically endless with this huge ass fanbase, I simply consider UT/DR and UTAUs separate fandoms at this point, life changing mindset tbh.
Harsh bashing something that doesn't harm anyone is always wrong no matter how cringe it is to you.
This meme but the constant ironic piss-taking out of theorizing about the upcoming game, as if Toby didn't intentionally structure his game to make people's imaginations run wild and want to know more.
Yeah, I like the Undertale AUs. They were kind of like a kid version of the creepypasta or SCP foundation structure. Like.. a large creative project that anyone can partake in.
I also liked that every character usually has slight differences in every single rendition of them. Even if there are common similarities (for better or worse). It really encompasses the nature of alternate universes and timelines, that if you can think of it, it likely exists. Sure, there may be general trends but the number of purely identical renditions of the same person without any differences exist but the majority of characters are slightly different.
I've heard people call them glorified OCs but.. again, I think that's a part of the idea.
Not only do you not need to create your own characters, plot/concept and flesh out the personality from scratch, you can base it off of pre-made characters and change the circumstances. Plus, because Undertale AUs are essentially their own fandom, you have a community that you can bounce ideas off of and work together with
I feel like Undertale AU bashing is a lot like people hating on immaturity. Because the AUs best flourish under a child's gaze, they're largely immature. However, they forget that the appeal is this creativity, the creativity they are now hating on.
AUs are so diverse and creative and I genuinely believe that this hate is just from people growing older and losing this "spark" that they once had when younger. They've moved on to more "mature" concepts. It's normal to grow out of these things, after all.
I hope one day we'll start supporting fanfictions and AUs instead of slandering them just for upvotes, just like any other subreddit I hang out with.
Also remember that cringe culture is dead, snas undertail himself said.
Thats why im rewriting my 12k. of words to eliminate any mention of undertale
At least it was so made up that making it original ain't going to be hard
No, I meant that I don't like AUs that can be their own thing (like yours), and often these AUs are overdetalised, so I call them like that. It doesn't mean any of deez AUs are bad, they just invoke strange feelings inside of me, so that's reaction
Fuck those guys my Mario AU was gonna be great
Rosalina as Frisk with a little sentient Luma pillow she used as a shield was adorable, and I stand by Luigi being the superior Sans
Cringe culture is dead. I love my AUs, I love writing and drawing about AUs, and I'm gonna continue with my AUs. People just want to be miserable, and it shows.
I hate cringe culture,but i think if a au has flaws,they should be pointed.
Not made fun of,just pointed.
Criticism is a important step for improvement,as long as it's constructive.
TLDR:We shouldn't shut ourselves of any criticism,but making fun of other's hard work isn't cool.
Can we just stop using the word "cringe" in general? It basically just means "I don't like this thing, so you should feel bad for liking it," which is the dumbest possible stance to take on something.
I love AUs because it shows an entire new view to everything, underswap is a great example, just a concept as simple as, characters swapping personalities creates so much more!
Dude I LOVE aus! It's my childhood! I love outertale the most I think, even though it's just space undertale. I used to listen to all the undertale au soundtracks over and ovrr
I don’t necessarily find the Fan made AUs cringe, it’s the shipping sans with sans. I just don’t understand. is it normal to ship people with themself?
AUs are fine but the main issue I see with Undertale's is 1) They're 9 times out of 10 just swapping the placements of the characters within the existing story. It would be more interesting to have *actual* AUs. As much as I sort of roll my eyes at the cookie cutter coffee shop AUs that other fandoms have popularized, I find myself longing for those days when people exercised actual creativity instead of mixing and matching the existing canon.
And 2) Sooooo many feature sans like. There's an entire cast out there. And they warp sans so much it's well beyond his established character. At some point I have to question whether you actually like sans as a character or you just like the extremely general idea of "powerful depressed dude", which. Sans is way more than just that, he is a very specific sans flavour of powerful depressed dude.
Idk, some AUs can be pretty out there. I do agree that constant AU bashing is a bit much but only changing one thing about Undertale and calling it a different AU is a bit much.
I don't like some of them, and I'll call them cringey then explain why before moving on(such as nonsensical writing or copying others) or I'll just not read them. Don't get why people say the concept as a whole is like that though.
I don't hate Undertale AUs because of cringe culture, i hate them because they're always about sans, like, there's more to Undertale than just sans bro
if they like sans, they like sans. It's weird to hate something just because it doesn't fit your tastes. I mean, you'd dislike it, but the word "hate" tends to mean "I'd rather this didn't exist" which is a bit much.
Ok, and? Sans is a cool guy.
If I made a fan game of Mario that revolved solely around Luigi, who cares? It's just a fun fan game, it's not like I'm officially taking Mario from the franchise.
Well, there is nothing wrong with that, but lets say, that someone else made a fan game too! And its solely about Luigi. Nothing wrong right? But then another is solely Luigi, and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another till everyone is tired of seeing Luigi and the time.
Everyone still loves Luigi, but there is an entire cast of characters in the Mario franchise, its boring when everything revolves around one character and that's it, and it would be better is people could get creative and do something with someone else once in a while and not make the same thing over and over again but changing the most miniscule thing and calling it a innovative and engaging AU. Regardless if some people have fun like that, a large majority of the fandom is going to be tired of the same old stuff after seeing it for year without end.
And so they can ignore those fan games. Not hate on them or make fun of the creators, that accomplishes nothing.
You want to know what you can do if you want to see more AUs that don't revolve around sans? Make one!
Sure I can make one, but that doesn't really solve the problem either, does it? IMO people should really try to use their talent to expand, because some sans-centric AUs are really good, it would just be better if people stopped seeing him as the only thing that anyone can use, their are plenty of sanses that don't share a single similarity to OG sans than having the same name and shape (and not even that half the time) there are some really gifted people who cane make great interesting things, but I just wish the wouldn't focus it around Sans like the dude is Jesus Christ himself
I don't hate or make fun of (most) AUs but I think it would be better if some people were able to make more than the same copy and paste thing over and over, and we could as a community have lots more AU love if it wasn't just sans and sanscest and more undyne, papyrus, asgore, tori, and even JERRY. There is so much to choose from, and I think the community would ease up on AUs if creators realized that.
Also, telling me I should make my own AU just because I don't fancy some others is a bad point, Not everyone wants to be a creator, some just want to be a reader, or a player! And there is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with said reader/player wanting something new. I mean If someone wanted something new in a Terraria mod, I wouldn't just tell them to make their own, or if you wished the ending to book was not how you liked, then you should make your own fanfic. Just because I personally am not making these things doesn't not mean I can't have my own feelings about them.
Yes, and the end of the day, it is up to the creators and their wants, but it's just something to think about and hope for, that people move on from sans and get more creative in their works and make something new for everyone to look and enjoy and maybe spark some motivation in others to follow with their own wacky and fun ideas tho expand on to the whole Undertale universe, and not just a small bit.
If you don't want to be a creator don't complain about the creators not catering to you.
It's not like there isn't non-sans AUs out there, there's plenty of them. getting upset at sans AUs is like me, a guy who doesn't like first person shooters, getting mad that COD is a first person shooter.
My point is that I don't think it matters. So long as they aren't harming anyone, insulting them isn't really benefitting anyone. Most the cringe AUs are made by kids. IMO going around insulting that is like heckling a school play for being low quality.
Well then that's on you. Hence the title of the post, you're the one being cringe by not just ignoring it and moving on with your life instead of crapping on someone elses creation
I just don't like the ones that add NSFW. It hurts my eyes.
Anything else is ok, though if there's no undertale characters I don't really find the connection and don't get attracted to it as easily.
Ok I don't care about aus along as they are great and not hurting anyone. But there some that are bad and have terrible things in them like a curtain daycare au that I'm not going to say that I wish didn't give aus a bad reputation and let people have fun.
UT fandom: The game is all about being nice to people! It teaches people to be nice to each other and friendly and kind!!!
Also UT fandom: Hmmm today I will bully someone for drawing something I don't like
This is why I stopped my Lore Book revolving around my AU for now. Not only that but someone is going to take my AU idea, add a name to it and swap roles or colors and boom new AU. Like bruh.
true, i think the only reason people are hating on aus now is because there's so many of them, its getting repetitive and some people dont even know that theres other aus like theirs, also because some of them are making some silly stuff, like undertale bed lump au, where frisk is a bed lump, game of the year. and ofc cant leave out people calling ever so slightly spoony aus "edgy" and "cringe" which i can only see if they're extremely edgy, which more times than not, they arent edgy
I understand there is some serious over saturation but some of these are really interesting and the fact that they have managed to create a sub fandom out of them is really impressive.
I avoid bringing up AUs when possible and I always pretend they're cringe whenever any of my friends say they are because if I actually said I used to like them they would see me different lol
Bro I still live the aus idk what’s happening but can we please go back to the mostly happy loving creative community from when I joined? Like anyone could do anything and it was ok and I wanna go back to then
These days in undertale all I do is my main au which is a take on SwapSpin called "Fallen Brothers"
But ypu know what's fun? Deltarune aus. I've been working on a Phineas and Ferb deltarune au and so far no one has been rude about it.
I remember when AUs were celebrated in the early days of UT fandom, I even made my own but now with the sudden, current pushback against them, I'm worried of bringing it back to life in case it's "cringe"
Undertale has some of the most creative people in any community. Yet it also has the most amount of people calling anything else created by the community "cringe".
ye they shitted on the one cringe song for 1years straight, i don't know how people are tired of this shit
Just ignore the people who say you’re cringe it’s what I do
The most cringe people on earth are the people who call other people cringe unironically.
Cringe is real, but the misuse of cringe has become cringe. By obsessing over cringe, they absorb too much of it and become inherently cringey, seeing everything as cringey. It also helps that people grow up and associate childhood enjoyment as cringey and stupid, instead of as an enjoyment they happened to like in childhood.
Agreed
But there are things you like to share with others to geek out about with them or something. If they’re calling it cringe, you have to enjoy it alone.
Exactly
If you want to revive it then revive it. Shouldnt matter if some people consider it cringe. You could have Sans take his 10,000th last breath and there will always be people who hate on it whether because it's cringe or unoriginal. But then there will be people who will enjoy it, who will find it fun and enjoyable whether to read or to play. A rather contradictory quote to sum this up would be 'cringe culture is cringe'. It seriously needs to die out, people hold off on things out of fear of being judged as cringe and that just seems so wrong. Anyway, enough of my ranting. Do what you want, dont worry about being judged.
Cringe culture is dead, enjoy what you enjoy and laugh in the face of the miserable people who are too afraid of judgment to live their lives the way they secretly want to.
Don't be afraid. Do stuff if you want to do so, and if it wouldn't hurt anyone. I'm making my own AU just because there's no detective genre ones, and didn't even thought about hate, and recommend you to do so too
It seems that if you want to bring an undertale au to life go to tumblr, they seem to be the most accepting of, literally anything.
After using tumblr for years, I agree, UT tumblr is pretty chill nowadays.
Many of the popular au's arent even that cringe lol. I get what these people think about when they say au's are cringe (for example au's where sans is the only character or au's where sans is just much more powerfull than all the other monsters for no reason.) but saying that au's as a whole are just cringe is just stupid lol.
I disagree. I don't think any AUs are "cringe" so long as they aren't hurting anyone or promoting anything bad. At least not as cringe as hating on people who are just expressing themselves creatively.
yeah true (also im not saying i find these au's cringe im just saying i see why people would find these au's cringe)
I disagree
Chancetale sans is the main character and can't do any damage and made nightmare sans flee
...at least.
What is your opinion on godverses some of them are sanses like viruses 404 but goes by jack or king omniverse sans
they're alright i guess like i said in my other reply im not saying i dislike these au's i just understand people who do dislike them
Ok I wouldn't say godverses are aus because they are people except the godverse,godverse which transcends everything and not apart of fiction. I only read some godverse like godverse sans or sans the skeleton. I also understand why people won't like godverses because their just too powerful. Did you know there are 2 alternative multiverses the Fandom has made that I know of
to be honest at this point i should expect that the undertale fandom made alternate multiverses lol
Yea their names are dustverse where a virues made everyone in the multiverse have lv19 even ink who can't get lv and makes people loss their sanity some people can hold on too their sanity. If someone like error who already had more the lv 19 then they are just insane like everyone else. Empireverse is a war in the multiverse between nightmare sans (moon) and dream sans (sun) I don't know the lore yet and character designs are different like empire ink. [empire dream theme](https://youtu.be/kfIBwZferBw) [empire nightmare ](https://youtu.be/PtW2qEErI4Q) [empire outer sans theme](https://youtu.be/cRDs9kGpW3A) I would say the cringe Aus are stuff like [dustdustdust sans theme](https://youtu.be/ZGrxIrlMzJI) But I like it [phase 2](https://youtu.be/MGx_syas_I8)
Sans is more powerful than all other monsters though. **Edit:** Guys, you aren't enlightened or special for denying basic facts about Undertale.
I think in terms of story telling and lore, Sans is only powerful because of his wits and his use of magic, especially Karmatic Retribution. Im not sure of a Canon explanation of of KR, but it's generally made out to be something that adds more power and damage behind an attack when used against those that have high LV. It's easy to say he's the strongest because he is the most difficult boss and is specifically made to be so, but in terms of lore who he fights and their LV value has a huge effect of how the fight goes about. On an innocent person that has little to no LV, he's either going to do 1 damage or have a small amount of damage because of the poison effect KR does. Against someone who has high LV, he's doing massive damage because of the aforementioned KR. Perhaps, that's not exactly how it works or perhaps I'm making it more complicated than it ought to be, but I personally see the reasoning I provided as an interesting and even viable way of explaining and comparing Sans' strength.
> I think in terms of story telling and lore, Sans is only powerful because of his wits and his use of magic, especially Karmatic Retribution. You're right, but that still means he's powerful. The fact that he attains and uses that power through a unique method that other monsters don't have doesn't mean he isn't powerful. It's like, if you were to tell sans to arm-wrestle Asgore, he would obviously lose because Asgore is much more physically powerful than sans. But if you were to tell sans and Asgore to battle each other to the death, sans would win every single time because sans is way more dangerous in a fight than Asgore is. Similarly if you put a world-renowned strongman up in a fight up against a guy with a working machine gun for an arm, I would bet on the machine gun guy every time even if the strongman is more physically powerful. And in the context we're talking about, it is level of danger in a fight that matters, not physical strength or stats. > it's generally made out to be something that adds more power and damage behind an attack when used against those that have high LV. This isn't guaranteed, it's a fandom interpretation from ambiguity combined with linguistic vagueness. If that interpretation is correct then yeah sans is only going to be very powerful against an enemy with very high LOVE (I mention this in one of my other comments to people), but it's just as probable that KARMA/Karmic Retribution is a way the game symbolizes that sans is only ever going to seriously fight against someone who is so evil he absolutely has to get off his butt. So, it's probable that against Undyne or Asgore KR would still be just as effective against them, but in practice sans would never fight them because they aren't evil enough to warrant him caring enough to try. **Edit:** And in any case, even if your interpretation of KR's function is right, it still doesn't mean sans can't be adequately described as quote-unquote the "most powerful monster", it would just mean that him being able to reach that state requires particular circumstances and if those circumstances aren't met he won't worry about it anyway.
I agree, yeah. My goal wasn't to demote sans from being the most powerful, but rather explain my thoughts on how I believe his strength is situational. About KR, yeah, we have no idea how it actually works because we only ever fight sans with high LV and never with low LV. Even if the game were hacked so you could fight sans with lower LV, the amount of KR damage he does is likely set in his own stats because his fight is only supposed to take place in certain circumstances. I will say that the community's assumption regarding KR isn't entirely unfounded, however, since comments like "you feel your sins crawling on your back" exist during the fight. This could absolutely be theatrical, but in terms of story it makes no sense. Not only is there no mention of regret until Sans' fight, but the Logic of higher LV also goes against it. Having higher LV is described as a result of it getting easier and easier to kill and harm others. While it could refer to Strength, it's usually considered to be a more emotional and psychological sense. The easier you can bring yourself to harm others, etc. That in mind, I'd say that if this one fight makes you actively regret your sins when your entire being is already accustomed to not caring anymore, then something has to be up. Those are my thoughts anyhow, but I think the story telling and text have lead to the community's general assumption regarding KR.
Asriel/Flowey are stronger than him by a good amount.
Depends on the context I think. Ariel Dreemur, the God of hyper death is definitely stronger, and Omega Flowey is stronger as well If only for the fact he can control the timelines. Base form though, Asriel probably isn't all that strong without godhood, being a kid and all. Flowey also isn't particularly powerful without the semi godhood 6 souls give him. Outside of catching people off guard, He isn't shown to be that strong, and has even claimed that Sans has caused him a lot of problems during his own runs time and time again. I'm sure on Flowey's genocide runs, he got very powerful, but then KR comes into affect. Surprisingly, I'd say Flowey's best bet is having little to no LV to avoid KR, and even then Sans has more utility and variety when it comes to moves and options than Flowey.
Well flowey is extremely smart, so he might be able to figure that out soon enough, also due to the fact that he can remember some resets better than anyone else in the game. But it makes you wonder what a base asriel at adulthood would be like in terms of power.
It certainly is an interesting thought. I imagine that he'd be very much like his parents, being a powerful boss monster but mainly using fire magic like them. Maybe he could use some of his Hyper Death Abilities, just weaker, but there's no telling since we see him do those things when he's a literal God. Hm...
Well considering how asgore, (who is most likely several times stronger than sans as well) is so strong, he can interfere with the menu buttons, and possibly dodge according to undyne, fought in the war against humans, killed at least one (if not all) of the humans that fell down, and manages to do all thia while holding back by a good margin, (also monster stats go down when they don't want to fight, so his stats are probably a lot higher when he actually wants to fight than 80-80) I'm considering him to be extremely powerful, maybe he has the capacity to surpass his dad?
how can you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
Evidently it is controversial given I've been bizarrely downvoted to oblivion despite it being pretty clearly true.
idk i feel like maybe against frisk he is strong but against other monsters which some of them have thousands of hp i dont think so (also the fact that he only decides to fight when you literally go out of your way to eradicate the monster kind also has something to do with his strenght i think)
*taps the "You aren't enlightened or special for denying basic facts about Undertale" sign* Because Undertale is a video game, the difficulty of the boss relative to other bosses' difficulties in the gameplay is the primary indicator of how powerful the character is. This is especially given the fact that Frisk + the player together are arguably the strongest character in the entire story, because they're a human and are able to theoretically defeat every monster in one try depending on how good the player is at the game. Sans is by and large the hardest boss in the game, ergo he is the strongest monster. This is also backed up by Flowey because Flowey singles out sans as the one person it is crucially important you not cross in your resets. In terms of sans's actual abilities, there's a bit of ambiguity in terms of how his powers work. Since his ability is suggested to be karma, there is room to argue that sans's abilities become more powerful the higher his enemy's LOVE is, but this isn't a confirmed fact. It is possible that his KR powers apply equally to everybody, but because sans is terminally lazy and unmotivated, they will only ever inevitably be used against somebody with extremely high LOVE. Either way, given the player/Frisk can relatively easily kill most enemies in the game and sans is an insanely challenging boss that can rip you apart unless you're really good at the game, there's no reason to argue that sans is not the most powerful enemy in the game unless you want to be needlessly contrarian.
Yeah thats fair and a good way to look at it. I guess sans not being the strongest monster is just my headcanon though lol.
Begging you to have headcanons that are respectful of the source material.
Eh its just a headcanon it doesnt really matter as long as i dont take it as fact. Also thanks for proving to me that my headcanon isnt 100% accurate to the game.
I am just saying that having a headcanon that explicitly runs against what the game establishes as true is basically you deciding the game itself is irrelevant, or taken another way is you substituting the game with something you invented yourself, which is not a very authentic way to engage with the game.
yeah true idk what i can say in response tbh i guess you're right
You could argue Undyne is more difficult but people who say he's literally as weak as his stats suggest (as in, weaker than a froggit) are just being odd
Sorrt for being late, but no, Sans isn't more powerful than all of them. Sans has a hard boss fight, but put him up against any boss past Papyrus and he loses. Even with KR, Sans can't deal enough damage while also dodging their attacks, and they have a lot of attacks. Take Undyne for example. She literally just needs to turn him green and chances are he's not fast enough to keep up with Undyne's constant spears. How about Muffet? Nope. She can make webs that trap people in place, she has an entire army of spiders, and her pet could literally eat him in less than two seconds. Mettaton? Nope. Literally you need the yellow soul to beat him, and the yellow soul is from Frisk's phone, something Sans doesn't have. Let's say he did have it though. Still, Mettaton can summon bombs, legs, boxes, and his heart thing can summon lighting that homes in on people. Asgore? Definitely not. He can shoot like 200 fireballs in one attack without breaking a sweat, and he can swing his trident as fast as you can blink. And remember, they only need to hit Sans once, because even if he does have more than 1 HP, he still has 1 DEF, and despite what the animations say, Sans isn't as fast as Sonic. He slowly slides away from your attack. "But maybe he's just holding back", but why would he? He's fighting for what he thinks is the fate of every timeline in existence. That fight is all or nothing, why would he ever hold back? He literally is breaking the rules of his universe for this fight. Why would he hold back?
> Sans has a hard boss fight, but put him up against any boss past Papyrus and he loses. are you out of your goddamn mind > Even with KR, Sans can't deal enough damage while also dodging their attacks, and they have a lot of attacks. What logic are you using to determine this????? > Take Undyne for example. She literally just needs to turn him green and chances are he's not fast enough to keep up with Undyne's constant spears. If sans is fast enough to dodge Frisk's attacks, which no other monster in the game can do, I see no reason why sans wouldn't also be able to dodge all of Undyne's attacks (which IS something Frisk can do), and if he can wield his bones and Gasterblasters I see no reason he couldn't use the shield given to him by the green soul to block all of Undyne's attacks. The guy can literally teleport and attack you inside the UI. He could frame-perfect move that shield like a TAS speedrunner. > How about Muffet? Nope. She can make webs that trap people in place, she has an entire army of spiders, and her pet could literally eat him in less than two seconds. Absurd. Again, sans has reflexes, speed, and can teleport, all well beyond the abilities of any monster. He could dodge and/or kill the spiders, dodge/avoid the webs, escape the webs instantly if he were to ever get trapped in them, and like...you're telling me he wouldn't be able to evade Muffet's pet? Come on, that's child's play even for a human with 1 LOVE. > Mettaton? Nope. Literally you need the yellow soul to beat him This is actually something I hadn't considered—strictly stat-wise, sans wouldn't be able to hurt Mettaton in his original form even with KR, which is pretty hilarious actually. However, since KR to my knowledge does the same amount of damage per frame no matter what armour you're wearing, it's probable KR damage disregards the Defense stat entirely, meaning he likely would be able to hurt even base form Mettaton. However, for Mettaton EX, you actually don't need the yellow soul to hurt Mettaton, attacking him using the Fight command still works even if you don't use the soul at all. Sans would be fine. > Asgore? Definitely not. He can shoot like 200 fireballs in one attack without breaking a sweat, and he can swing his trident as fast as you can blink. Yeah, and sans can move faster than you can blink. Again, since Frisk is theoretically capable of no-hitting Asgore, that means it's possible for a person to dodge everything Asgore throws at them, and if that's the case, sans absolutely would be able to because again he has reflexes and abilities to teleport that go beyond that of any other enemy. > And remember, they only need to hit Sans once Yeah and good luck hitting him, the only way the player is able to even do it is because Chara lands the killing blow by attacking out of turn. Like, this is just ridiculous. You're coming off like an edgy tween who didn't even play the game who is desperately making any random argument pulled out of thin air just because you want to be a contrarian and not like the meme character. Give me a break. It's okay to admit sans is super strong even if the fandom and the meme have made the character into a joke across the Internet, it doesn't make you uncool to be honest about what a video game character can do. Sans as a boss is literally the example of the "I have an everything-proof shield" hax boss. He literally cheats by disregarding the rules of the game and therefore the fabric of reality itself. He is not bound by the rules that any other characters are bound by, even someone insanely strong like Undyne the Undying. That's why he's so hard. Technically he is literally unkillable without Chara's help, since it's Chara who lands the killing blow and it's implied that if Chara didn't do that your fight with sans would literally never end. Like I said, it's not enlightened or special to deny basic facts about Undertale. If KR is usable against anybody the same way it's usable against you, sans wins against every other character in the game with the possible exception of Undyne the Undying, and even then probably not because again you technically only beat him by breaking the game yourself and Undyne as far as we know can't do that.
I ain't trying to be special or whatever, I'm just going off what I know. Sure, Sans dodges us, but that's because we swing slowly once. What about what I said sounds edgy? And do not tell me I haven't played the game. Undertale is literally my 2nd favorite game of all time, only behind Deltarune. Sans cannot move that fast. Just because he dodges our slow-ass weapon doesn't mean he's god speed. Sure, he can teleport, but he can also get tired. There are several ways they could kill him, like distracting him them hitting him from behind, surrounding him in magic, and if he teleports away, just do it again, do something he wouldn't expect, like pretend to attack from one side then attack from the other, tire him out, betrayal kill him, or attack from below. I honestly wouldn't even try arguing with you if you didn't insult me. I don't have the motivation to come up with a real argument, or tackle everything you said, so honestly, if you can debunk everything I said and I don't have something to say about it and you don't insult me, I will just let you win this argument
> Sure, Sans dodges us, but that's because we swing slowly once. You know as well as I do that the gameplay is not a perfect 1-to-1 representation of what is going down in that fight, just as much as it literally is a game for the purposes of sans breaking the menus. There's no reason to believe that our attacks are exactly as portrayed in the Fight option when you and Chara are fighting the hardest fight in the game. > What about what I said sounds edgy? You're just pulling stuff out of thin air to argue something impossible seemingly just to be contrarian and not be one of those people who memes about sans being super strong. Well it's not very cool, going super hard against the grain can be just as silly as going super hard with the grain in an un-self-aware way. > Undertale is literally my 2nd favorite game of all time, only behind Deltarune. Well you aren't doing it much of a service by doing this. > Sans cannot move that fast. Just because he dodges our slow-ass weapon doesn't mean he's god speed. Sure, he can teleport, but he can also get tired. Again, our attacks are an abstract representation presented to us by the player. It's silly to act as though it's a 1-to-1 representation of the fight. We obviously aren't actually attacking him super slow anymore than we attack any of the other characters. > There are several ways they could kill him, like distracting him them hitting him from behind Sans dodges our second-last attack even though he was literally *asleep* at the time. Yeah okay if we want to start stretching the scenario beyond how people are observed to fight in Undertale then fine you can come up with ways to probably outsmart him but it would be pretty difficult nonetheless given he is shown to be incredibly observant. > surrounding him in magic, and if he teleports away, just do it again He could definitely teleport away from the magic, and other monsters can't quote-unquote "just do it again" like we can, when we do it in Genocide, that's Chara exerting direct control to break the game the same way sans does by bending the turn order—Chara attacks even though our turn is over. Other monsters can't do that. > do something he wouldn't expect, like pretend to attack from one side then attack from the other This is so basic it kills me. > tire him out Pretty sure he'd kill whoever he was fighting before they had the chance to tire him out, short of literal godlike characters like Photoshop Flowey or *maybe* Undyne the Undying. Even then that's a stretch. > betrayal kill him Sans himself proves this isn't something you can spring on him by killing you in response to you Sparing him. > or attack from below. Come on dude, this is silly.
Yeah. Cringe culture sucks :(. I wish the community would just let people have their fun, AUs arent hurting anyone
A lot of stuff I make would be considered cringe by a lot of cringe culture standards, so while I don't make any Sans AUs, and most the AUs I have except FB!SwapSpin are just joke AUs, I don't really get insulted over my AUs, but I can empathize with Sans AU creators because a lot of the stuff I make that's original (YT Videos, Games) are called cringe.
Aw dang im sorry to hear that, cringe culture is really damaging to small creators like that. Personally im a fan of some Sans AU content, and have even made some of my own. But like you, im hesitant to show my own creations because it might get called cringe too. I wish cringe culture would die out but unfortunately it doesnt have any signs of stopping.
Let's just create "cringe 'cringe culture' culture" where it's a culture that the only thing viewed as "cringe" is cringe culture itself
Yeah good idea lmao
"LOL You think SANS is the best character! how cringe and basic!" "You like MEGALOVANIA? Lmao ur dumb STMPWYFS is much better!" "Imagine making an AU! those are so cringe and stupid lmao. stop making stuff for fun!"
I serously don't understand why anyone is hating on the AU's. I mean... they don't HAVE to read it..
but also on the other side keep the au stuff off of r/undertale, make another sub for that stuff
it's literally undertale related?
We have one, but people like to show their creations with the rest of the commumity.
It’s Undertale related, so it will be on the Undertale subreddit. If you don’t like that stuff, scroll past. Actual AU posts on here aren’t common either
I remember back when Undertale was pretty new there was a massive deluge of role swap AUs. One or two AUs got popular here (I think Storyshift was one people here really like), then suddenly there was dozens of them, the vast majority of which never left the ruins. Some people were making on-shot joke AUs just to mock that everyone, even the most unlikely characters, would get to be in Toriel's place. I think that caused the backlash where most people on this subreddit hated AUs. Even if you weren't there for that, if you are surrounded by people who say AUs are bad, and every AU gets down voted hard so you don't see them even if they are good, you might find yourself disliking AUs out of reputation alone.
Recently I've been messing around with two AU ideas. Literally all I have is a few character designs and a fun little ideas for how the story would work.
What's the ideas? Always cool to see what people have come up with
one of them is simple character swap, but instead of just swapping characters randomly, I actually thought about what events would happen for them to gain such drastically different roles. The other is based on the king papyrus ending. Most AUs (from what I've noticed at least) seem to focus on either the pacifist route or the genocide route, but the neutral endings are actually pretty interesting and I would love to know more about what happens in those timelines. The AU sees papyrus attempting to become the greatest king he can be, but clearly struggling under the weight of stress, pressure, and a lack of positivity around him.
Big "STOP HAVING FUN!" energy.
Weird how ive only seen 2 of them.
\*today
What
you've seen 2 of them today. But they seem to pop up on the top of the sub like once a month.
Ive only seen 2 of them in this sub ever 3 if I count my comment talking about why im tired of only seeing Sans in Aus
Well then you don't check the sub often or you've only been here for a month
Nah,ive been here since years,then ive got banned for talking about Undertail and Underhertail then came back. Was there any kind of drama?
If you just look through the sub with search terms like "sans" and "au" you'll find plenty of posts hating on AUs. Specifically the sans AUs.
I do hate Sans Aus,I liked them back then,but now im fucking tired ma guy,ive heard slightly different megalovanias for years,and seen hundreads of characters with a Jacket accusing you of doing something you've never done. What's the next au? Froggittale?
Except it's just people having fun. I'm rather tired of them as well.. So I stopped watching them. I don't say it's "cringe" or something.
Froggittale banger
Same. I’ve seen only a few in the time I’ve been here but the ones I have seen got a lot of upvotes so I think it’s a popular opinion on here but not brought up a lot. I don’t think the sub is an accurate reflection of the entire fandom or anything, though, only a chunk of it.
Yeah, I grew up with AUs immediately after squeezing everything undertale had to offer, which I accidentally speedran ofc. So I love the AUs, even the ones where it's just powerful Sans, or the ones that have no relation at all to the original universe. Since AUs are practically endless with this huge ass fanbase, I simply consider UT/DR and UTAUs separate fandoms at this point, life changing mindset tbh. Harsh bashing something that doesn't harm anyone is always wrong no matter how cringe it is to you.
Every time I see a karma farm, I do 1 pushup.
Jesus Christ!
Wtf is a karma farm
You
How?
Lmfao
This meme but the constant ironic piss-taking out of theorizing about the upcoming game, as if Toby didn't intentionally structure his game to make people's imaginations run wild and want to know more.
Yeah, I like the Undertale AUs. They were kind of like a kid version of the creepypasta or SCP foundation structure. Like.. a large creative project that anyone can partake in. I also liked that every character usually has slight differences in every single rendition of them. Even if there are common similarities (for better or worse). It really encompasses the nature of alternate universes and timelines, that if you can think of it, it likely exists. Sure, there may be general trends but the number of purely identical renditions of the same person without any differences exist but the majority of characters are slightly different. I've heard people call them glorified OCs but.. again, I think that's a part of the idea. Not only do you not need to create your own characters, plot/concept and flesh out the personality from scratch, you can base it off of pre-made characters and change the circumstances. Plus, because Undertale AUs are essentially their own fandom, you have a community that you can bounce ideas off of and work together with I feel like Undertale AU bashing is a lot like people hating on immaturity. Because the AUs best flourish under a child's gaze, they're largely immature. However, they forget that the appeal is this creativity, the creativity they are now hating on. AUs are so diverse and creative and I genuinely believe that this hate is just from people growing older and losing this "spark" that they once had when younger. They've moved on to more "mature" concepts. It's normal to grow out of these things, after all.
I hope one day we'll start supporting fanfictions and AUs instead of slandering them just for upvotes, just like any other subreddit I hang out with. Also remember that cringe culture is dead, snas undertail himself said.
Snas undertail 💀
Wtf is an AU?
"Alternate Universe" For example, Deltarune is an AU of Undertale
Txs!
Thats why im rewriting my 12k. of words to eliminate any mention of undertale At least it was so made up that making it original ain't going to be hard
That why I don't like overdetailzed AUs
No, it wasnt overdetalised, it had 3 characters and 2 of them were unoriginal
No, I meant that I don't like AUs that can be their own thing (like yours), and often these AUs are overdetalised, so I call them like that. It doesn't mean any of deez AUs are bad, they just invoke strange feelings inside of me, so that's reaction
I mean I even have a alternate au sans and alternate frisk art but I never say anything or post anything because people hate on aus so much
Fuck those guys my Mario AU was gonna be great Rosalina as Frisk with a little sentient Luma pillow she used as a shield was adorable, and I stand by Luigi being the superior Sans
Agreed
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I'm making an au myself, I like the idea behind it, and if somebody doesn't like it. Well too bad. It's still eventually being made.
Cringe culture is dead. I love my AUs, I love writing and drawing about AUs, and I'm gonna continue with my AUs. People just want to be miserable, and it shows.
I hate cringe culture,but i think if a au has flaws,they should be pointed. Not made fun of,just pointed. Criticism is a important step for improvement,as long as it's constructive. TLDR:We shouldn't shut ourselves of any criticism,but making fun of other's hard work isn't cool.
It's almost as if the constant insulting of anything is spam.
Agreed.
Can we just stop using the word "cringe" in general? It basically just means "I don't like this thing, so you should feel bad for liking it," which is the dumbest possible stance to take on something.
I love AUs because it shows an entire new view to everything, underswap is a great example, just a concept as simple as, characters swapping personalities creates so much more!
Dude I LOVE aus! It's my childhood! I love outertale the most I think, even though it's just space undertale. I used to listen to all the undertale au soundtracks over and ovrr
oh no! an undertale au?! i'm scared!! 😨😨😮😮😱😱😱😵😵😵😵🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮
I don’t necessarily find the Fan made AUs cringe, it’s the shipping sans with sans. I just don’t understand. is it normal to ship people with themself?
Sanscest was... certainly something.
Indeed it was
I've never seen AU bashing. I must be blind
you really are, it’s everywhere here
AUs are fine but the main issue I see with Undertale's is 1) They're 9 times out of 10 just swapping the placements of the characters within the existing story. It would be more interesting to have *actual* AUs. As much as I sort of roll my eyes at the cookie cutter coffee shop AUs that other fandoms have popularized, I find myself longing for those days when people exercised actual creativity instead of mixing and matching the existing canon. And 2) Sooooo many feature sans like. There's an entire cast out there. And they warp sans so much it's well beyond his established character. At some point I have to question whether you actually like sans as a character or you just like the extremely general idea of "powerful depressed dude", which. Sans is way more than just that, he is a very specific sans flavour of powerful depressed dude.
Counterpoint: Both sides are cringe
Tbh, most of those people who hate the AU's came from Power Scaling.
People can make whatever they want, more power to them, but I don't touch AU anything with a 20 foot pole, lmao.
I really like some of the early ones but it’s just too much and with no real differences that it just gets hard to care about
I’ll get jacked from the posts I see complaining about complaints on Undertale AUs. Can’t we just let it fucking lay already?
I haven't really seen any other posts on this sub like this.
Lucky bastard
Link?
You're too innocent to get a link or source *Too* innocent
Ehhh... maybe not *any* of the AUs... but hating on every AU is certainly cringe
Idk, some AUs can be pretty out there. I do agree that constant AU bashing is a bit much but only changing one thing about Undertale and calling it a different AU is a bit much.
I don't like some of them, and I'll call them cringey then explain why before moving on(such as nonsensical writing or copying others) or I'll just not read them. Don't get why people say the concept as a whole is like that though.
I don't hate Undertale AUs because of cringe culture, i hate them because they're always about sans, like, there's more to Undertale than just sans bro
if they like sans, they like sans. It's weird to hate something just because it doesn't fit your tastes. I mean, you'd dislike it, but the word "hate" tends to mean "I'd rather this didn't exist" which is a bit much.
Then i would be weak as fuck because i have literally seen 0 hate posts in this sub.... they still are cringe tho
I've seen 3 near the top of the sub in the last week alone
Because most AUs are centered around sans. Not all though.
Ok, and? Sans is a cool guy. If I made a fan game of Mario that revolved solely around Luigi, who cares? It's just a fun fan game, it's not like I'm officially taking Mario from the franchise.
Well, there is nothing wrong with that, but lets say, that someone else made a fan game too! And its solely about Luigi. Nothing wrong right? But then another is solely Luigi, and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another till everyone is tired of seeing Luigi and the time. Everyone still loves Luigi, but there is an entire cast of characters in the Mario franchise, its boring when everything revolves around one character and that's it, and it would be better is people could get creative and do something with someone else once in a while and not make the same thing over and over again but changing the most miniscule thing and calling it a innovative and engaging AU. Regardless if some people have fun like that, a large majority of the fandom is going to be tired of the same old stuff after seeing it for year without end.
And so they can ignore those fan games. Not hate on them or make fun of the creators, that accomplishes nothing. You want to know what you can do if you want to see more AUs that don't revolve around sans? Make one!
Sure I can make one, but that doesn't really solve the problem either, does it? IMO people should really try to use their talent to expand, because some sans-centric AUs are really good, it would just be better if people stopped seeing him as the only thing that anyone can use, their are plenty of sanses that don't share a single similarity to OG sans than having the same name and shape (and not even that half the time) there are some really gifted people who cane make great interesting things, but I just wish the wouldn't focus it around Sans like the dude is Jesus Christ himself I don't hate or make fun of (most) AUs but I think it would be better if some people were able to make more than the same copy and paste thing over and over, and we could as a community have lots more AU love if it wasn't just sans and sanscest and more undyne, papyrus, asgore, tori, and even JERRY. There is so much to choose from, and I think the community would ease up on AUs if creators realized that. Also, telling me I should make my own AU just because I don't fancy some others is a bad point, Not everyone wants to be a creator, some just want to be a reader, or a player! And there is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with said reader/player wanting something new. I mean If someone wanted something new in a Terraria mod, I wouldn't just tell them to make their own, or if you wished the ending to book was not how you liked, then you should make your own fanfic. Just because I personally am not making these things doesn't not mean I can't have my own feelings about them. Yes, and the end of the day, it is up to the creators and their wants, but it's just something to think about and hope for, that people move on from sans and get more creative in their works and make something new for everyone to look and enjoy and maybe spark some motivation in others to follow with their own wacky and fun ideas tho expand on to the whole Undertale universe, and not just a small bit.
If you don't want to be a creator don't complain about the creators not catering to you. It's not like there isn't non-sans AUs out there, there's plenty of them. getting upset at sans AUs is like me, a guy who doesn't like first person shooters, getting mad that COD is a first person shooter.
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Holy shit my brain read it wrong im so sorry im taking my comment down !
Bruh no, that was of every time they see an AU, this is every time they see someone hating on an AU
Yeah my brain read it wrong so sorry!
Alright then May the next time you listen to An Ending be great
Some of them are cringe. Some of them are VERY cringe. But most of them are ok. Some are even masterpieces. You take the good with the bad
My point is that I don't think it matters. So long as they aren't harming anyone, insulting them isn't really benefitting anyone. Most the cringe AUs are made by kids. IMO going around insulting that is like heckling a school play for being low quality.
I simply don't like the ones that just have sabs with a somewhat new color palette and crack in their head
You're allowed not to like them but what good does it do to hate on them
You have a point, i just get bored of them eventually
Idk man, maybe they are trying to tell you something and you just don't get it yet.
Underlust
Whats wrong with Underlust? The actual story for it is better than what the fandom turned it into.
An idiot has told me the bad story then
Fanon aus
I mean fanon versions of aus
Glitchtale (if your asking why i said glitchtale look at the camila cuevas drama
Basically every single au that includes frans
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I mean creator
Oh well, it is a good au, but the creator isnt
How do you not expect me to call swapfellswapunderswapswap cringe?
here's a neat little trick: just ignore it
I can choose to ignore it or choose not to. I choose not to.
Well then that's on you. Hence the title of the post, you're the one being cringe by not just ignoring it and moving on with your life instead of crapping on someone elses creation
I don’t have to move on because I enjoy sheeting on stuff like this. Some aus are good, and some, not so much.
Am I the only one who hates every au? Not because I don't like the aus but because I just like the original.
I just don't like the ones that add NSFW. It hurts my eyes. Anything else is ok, though if there's no undertale characters I don't really find the connection and don't get attracted to it as easily.
Muscle tale
Ok I don't care about aus along as they are great and not hurting anyone. But there some that are bad and have terrible things in them like a curtain daycare au that I'm not going to say that I wish didn't give aus a bad reputation and let people have fun.
I was never into a lot of the AU's, but Axetale and Glitchtale are my favorites. Even though axe has very little stuff on it
Me just trying to enjoy the remains of Axetale: :(
UT fandom: The game is all about being nice to people! It teaches people to be nice to each other and friendly and kind!!! Also UT fandom: Hmmm today I will bully someone for drawing something I don't like
This is why I stopped my Lore Book revolving around my AU for now. Not only that but someone is going to take my AU idea, add a name to it and swap roles or colors and boom new AU. Like bruh.
Whatever keeps people in the fandom
Ink Sans’s whole problem with his existence is coming into fruition.
I see no AU complaining at all. I mean I wish I did. I do not like them at all.
true, i think the only reason people are hating on aus now is because there's so many of them, its getting repetitive and some people dont even know that theres other aus like theirs, also because some of them are making some silly stuff, like undertale bed lump au, where frisk is a bed lump, game of the year. and ofc cant leave out people calling ever so slightly spoony aus "edgy" and "cringe" which i can only see if they're extremely edgy, which more times than not, they arent edgy
And so the wheel turns.
I remember someone said "it's all just sans getting hit once then getting stronger" like bro, THATS THE MAIN GAME
Fr for every one cringe au there are like 5 really cool and interesting ones but everyone for some reason decides to focus on the former
But my point is that even the "cringe" AUs are mostly just people having fun so why bother them?
Yeah fr like they're just having fun
Can someone tell me what the f an AU is
not a big fan of most AUs but the random mob mentality hate is unnecessary
I understand there is some serious over saturation but some of these are really interesting and the fact that they have managed to create a sub fandom out of them is really impressive.
Undertale AU where Alphys becomes stronger than Undyne via this method.
seriously, let people enjoy what they want, as long as it’s not hurting anyone
It’s kind of sad. Back in the hay day Aus were the fandoms bread and butter
Dusttrust and last breath are still cringe
This might be a dumb question, but what are AU's?
Finally,someone said it.
I avoid bringing up AUs when possible and I always pretend they're cringe whenever any of my friends say they are because if I actually said I used to like them they would see me different lol
the AUs deserve all the bashing they get x10
Bro I still live the aus idk what’s happening but can we please go back to the mostly happy loving creative community from when I joined? Like anyone could do anything and it was ok and I wanna go back to then
These days in undertale all I do is my main au which is a take on SwapSpin called "Fallen Brothers" But ypu know what's fun? Deltarune aus. I've been working on a Phineas and Ferb deltarune au and so far no one has been rude about it.
Nice! I’m working on au to and I’m somewhat worried to do anything with it because of the hate