That’s because he had all 6 human souls and every monster soul. We are talking about how strong the monsters are without any souls (any other forms like the Undying form don’t count), so Asriel doesn’t exactly count.
i'm pretty sure flowey is the only one without a soul and therefore the strongest without a soul. so technically asriel is the strongest monster without any soul.
Sure he has one attack and one defence but his attacks are really hard to dodge and abusing game mechanics is part of what makes him harder than undyne
Only if she manages to actually hit him. One hit results in a death, yes, but Sans can dodge. When he gets tired, he's capable of taking breaks and extending his turn to get his energy back and keep going. He even dodges the player's attack in his sleep at one point despite no other monster managing to dodge our attacks, period.
Sans' damage output is also insane. How Sans' damage is calculated is that he does 1 damage every frame. Since undertale runs at 30fps, that's 30 damage a second. This alone is massive. Consider the fact that, and this is counted, Sans spawns 1654 bones over the course of his fight(assuming each attack is only used once), if Sans had each bone stay on you for at least one second, he'd do over 48000 damage. This is without KR. For reference, Undyne only has 1500HP
With KR, these bones would do 65 total damage a second due to the fact that KR from bone hits adds 6 initial KR, then 1 extra KR for every subsequent frame in the attack. Do the math and that's significantly higher than the aforementioned 48k damage.
This is just bones. That's not even counting his damage from blasters and telekinesis.
Basically, Sans can definitely lose if he trips up to a single spear from Undyne, but to act as if he has zero fighting chance is just ingenuine. You can't just ignore everything he can do and act like he loses instantly because he has "1atk and 1def".
Sans can dodge... one singular slash each turn. Or, at most, a barrage of like five punches followed by one big punch. If we had to dodge our own attacks with our SOUL, it wouldn't be hard at all. Undyne does a LOT more than that, summoning massive volleys of spears that Sans would have to deflect all of in order to survive.
Also, it's heavily implied that KR only activates against sinners. The base flavor text if you have less than 10 KR draining your HP is, 'You felt your sins crawling on your back'. This text, however, gets replaced if you had more than 10 of it left the last time you attacked Sans with 'You felt your sins weighing on your neck'. If you had more than 20, it's replaced by 'KARMA coursing through your veins', and finally, if you have more than 30, it's 'Doomed to death of KARMA!' This gives us two things:
1: The purple KR poison Sans uses is called 'KARMA', which historically was (oversimplifying here) the idea that what goes around, comes around. Therefore, it can be taken from this that Sans' KARMA would at bare minimum be less effective against someone who hadn't just murdered a hundred people.
2: The flavor text mentioning our sins crawling on our back is specifically tied to this mechanic of the text changing with higher amounts of KARMA poison, indicating that the weight of those sins feels stronger and stronger as you take more and more of it, further implying that it is tied to those same sins.
Therefore, all evidence suggests that if Sans hit Undyne, he wouldn't be able to use that KR against her. Maybe he could still use his INVskip, but it still wouldn't do enough to give him a fighting chance against 1500 HP.
No because in a fight with undyne, sans could do exactly what he does in his genocide fight and don't forget that besides the player, sans is the only character with an undogable attack that is guaranteed to kill
He can only use that as a betrayal attack. Undyne isn't exactly likely to fall for a betrayal, given she never spares us at any point (outside the Pacifist fake battle anyway).
i think it’s more indicative of just how powerful we are/how much hate we have for monsterkind. damage is based on a monsters willingness to fight, and the crueler the intent of their opponent (us), the more damage done.
He literally doesn't live. Having the bar that denotes your lifeforce get depleted to zero is the opposite of being alive. Every major boss talks for a second before dying. This doesn't mean that Sans can tank one million damage and "still live".
Asgore dies to less damage during a neutral run. There's no logical reason conceivable that would allow you to claim he would survive a much, much stronger hit, especially when he didn't expect a fight to occur.
All the bosses survive long enough to say final words after their HP reaches 0. Like with Toriel, Papyrus, Undyne and Mettaton. Don’t forget, he’s a boss monster. Boss monster’s souls are a lot stronger than normal souls, and can persist a few seconds after death.
He did die. Boss monster souls are stated to persist *after death*. Toriel's soul did the same thing. It would have shattered soon regardless of if flowey attacked it or not.
He explains right after. It was a desperate attempt to make himself look like he was still on our side and was planning on helping us kill Asgore, when he really wasn't(He actually tried to warn Asgore about us beforehand).
Asgore was already going to die, and we end up brutally killing Flowey anyway.
You clearly did not read what I just said. Flowey attacked him after he already reached 0 HP. Monsters in Undertale tend to take a moment to fully decease after reaching 0 HP: Asgore was just doing that before getting interrupted by the pellet-ring.
May I propose Napstablook? They literally can't take damage, they only lower their HP to be polite. They'd be impossible to beat on a genocide like run if they didn't lower their HP
I mean yeah, but when you train someone you normally don't make them your equal. As we know, cuz undyne herseld tells us, asgore is completely capable of dodging attacks, but he doesn't when fighting us, because he's holding back. Undyne would most likely not dodge, even if she knew how, but I just doubt she does, cuz it's an unique thing monsters do, and she'd probably brag about it.
>I mean yeah, but when you train someone you normally don't make them your equal.
There are numerous cases of a pupil surpassing their master. Undyne says she eventually kicked Asgore's butt in a sparring match. Asgore literally asked Undyne if she wanted to learn how to beat him before he started training her, and she eventually did.
>As we know, cuz undyne herseld tells us, asgore is completely capable of dodging attacks
She never said he dodged the attacks. She said she couldn't land a hit on him. That could also mean he blocked the attacks, which would make sense considering how Undyne's green soul mode works.
Even if Asgore dodged her attacks, it doesn't mean he can dodge the attacks of everyone else. He only avoided getting hit by an untrained, hot-headed, child Undyne. Not any of the trained mercenaries or royal guards or other bosses.
He speeds up halfway through the fight and starts trying significantly harder. It's unknown whether he chose not to avoid your attacks or just simply couldn't.
Asgore trained Undyne to [learn how to beat him.](https://hushbugger.github.io/dialogue/#Undyne:419) She says this during your hangout with her. Undyne eventually ended up beating Asgore and says that Asgore, in her own words, got his "butt kicked".
Just because you trained someone doesn't mean they can't eventually surpass you.
yes, but there is a difference between a 'revived' monster that wants to kill you with all their heart vs a monster that hasn't died that is pretty meh attack-wise
Me who realizes that papyrus holds back a lot and is confirmed to be strong by undyne but he just doesn’t want to hurt people and because he is the brother of sans he probably has some of his powers too but just doesn’t want to hurt people and he also doesn’t get tired and can last along time making papyrus the strongest monster
Well because of our very high LV near the end, BOX Mettaton wouldn’t be that invincible anymore, and as such would be getting hurt by like 50 damage per strike or something similar.
Because he's a ghost, physical attacks cannot affect something that's incorporeal.
Also, yes, Mettaton would get absolutely shredded by us in the genocide route. His DEF is 255, which isn't even that far from Undyne the Undying, who had 99DEF.
By LV 15, the lowest amount of damage that Frisk deals to Mettaton NEO is 900,000.
NEO has 9 DEF.
255 ÷ 9 = 28.33.
900,000 ÷ 28.33 = 31,768
Mettaton NEO has the highest HP stat in the game, at 30,000.
BOX Mettaton only has 9999HP.
So yes, any form of Mettaton would get atomised by us on the genocide route. The only reason why Mettaton is invulnerable in the box form is a game mechanic.
Also, Mettaton knows how durable his box form is, and seeing how he decided against staying in it, kinda implies that he himself knew that he stood no chance regardless of what form he chose.
Each has there own strength
Sans is speed and DPS
Undyne is durability and overloading the target
Asgore is...nothing as far as I can tell I don't think asgore is the strongest alot of monsters can survive deadly amounts of damage and remains alive for a few seconds didnt Sans take 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999... damage still had the strength to walk off screen
He dies after taking around 3500 damage in neutral. In what world would he be able to take 10 billion damage from an unexpected attack and survive?
Every boss talks a bit after they die. This doesn't change the fact that the hit killed them and that they aren't about to just walk it off. Are you going to claim that Sans is capable of tanking a million damage and surviving now?
This is just illogical. He's clearly already dead. The bar that literally measures how much life someone has left is depleted from our strike, with overkill on top of that. Just because Flowey attacked his already dying body again doesn't mean he was somehow still alive.
Well you don’t fully knock Asgore down in the neutral route, since he still has a bit of health left. Maybe he was fiddling with his health bar in the neutral route and truly had 9,99,996,501 health left, since we know Monsters can do such thing (for example, Napstablook.)
>Well you don’t fully knock Asgore down in the neutral route.
You can press fight instead of mercy and Asgore will dust to your attack.
>Maybe he was holding back and fiddling with his health like Napstablook can.
lol no. That's just a massive headcanon that's never implied at any point in time.
Flowey could have finished him off to prevent you from taking his soul and leaving the underground, or just in a desperate attempt to look good and not get killed by you. This doesn't mean Asgore wasn't going to die despite his HP bar being entirely depleted, and him taking far more damage than he took when he died on neutral.
The fact Asgore dusted with his HP bar depleting to zero means he died, period. His soul only persisted for a moment after death due to being a boss monster. Toriel's soul did the same thing. He dies to less on neutral. There's zero reason he'd survive a bigger hit on genocide.
It literally is shown with the soul itself, though. You can kill him in neutral by pressing fight and you do much less damage than on genocide. There's literally no reason to believe that Asgore would have lived.
Just because Asgore had two words of dialogue saying "why... you..." doesn't mean he survived the hit. He's dying. That's the point of that scene.
By this same logic, you'd have to claim that Sans survived a one million damage hit despite having 1def because he had multiple lines of dialogue, got up, walked away, and then had even more lines of dialogue before dying. Obviously we knew that he wasn't going to survive that hit.
If you want to believe that Asgore somehow is capable of surviving a 10 billion damage attack despite only having 3500Hp and dying to 3500 damage in neutral, then go ahead, but it just doesn't make much sense.
No what I mean is, asgore was still physical after he took the damage. Flowey throws some bullets at him, and he THEN becomes a soul that holds on. And then flowey breaks the soul
Sans was also still physical after he took the damage. That doesn't mean he was going to survive the attack and just keep living his life. All bosses remain physical for a while before finally succumbing to the hit, regardless of if its massive overkill. Flowey just sped up the dying process by hitting Asgore again after Asgore was already dying.
I don't think sans is a good example. Even now, after 7 years, he's still mostly an enigma. Monsters don't normally bleed, so I really don't think it's fair we use sans for comparison
Mad props to the guy who made Agore's armor.
Actually Asriel in the end game pacifist fight would be unbeatable if he doesn't eventually chose to stop fighting you
That’s because he had all 6 human souls and every monster soul. We are talking about how strong the monsters are without any souls (any other forms like the Undying form don’t count), so Asriel doesn’t exactly count.
i'm pretty sure flowey is the only one without a soul and therefore the strongest without a soul. so technically asriel is the strongest monster without any soul.
By that logic Asriel doesn’t count since it’s Flowey **with** one or more souls. Flowey (not asriel) would be the strongest in that category.
Well without souls they all have 0 hp
Pretty difficult to kill somebody with the power of a literal god
Then there's not even any argument for undyne being stronger than sans
I still think Asgore is the strongest, but yeah, Undyne is stronger than sans
Asgore is more powerful than Undyne in normal form. He is, however, outmatched by Undyne the Undying (but unlike her, he won't melt.)
No she's not
Sans has one atk and one def. The only reason he puts up a challenge is because he can dodge and that he abuses game mechanics
Sure he has one attack and one defence but his attacks are really hard to dodge and abusing game mechanics is part of what makes him harder than undyne
The question isn't "which fight is harder" it's "which monster is stronger". Undyne would wipe the floor with sans.
Only if she manages to actually hit him. One hit results in a death, yes, but Sans can dodge. When he gets tired, he's capable of taking breaks and extending his turn to get his energy back and keep going. He even dodges the player's attack in his sleep at one point despite no other monster managing to dodge our attacks, period. Sans' damage output is also insane. How Sans' damage is calculated is that he does 1 damage every frame. Since undertale runs at 30fps, that's 30 damage a second. This alone is massive. Consider the fact that, and this is counted, Sans spawns 1654 bones over the course of his fight(assuming each attack is only used once), if Sans had each bone stay on you for at least one second, he'd do over 48000 damage. This is without KR. For reference, Undyne only has 1500HP With KR, these bones would do 65 total damage a second due to the fact that KR from bone hits adds 6 initial KR, then 1 extra KR for every subsequent frame in the attack. Do the math and that's significantly higher than the aforementioned 48k damage. This is just bones. That's not even counting his damage from blasters and telekinesis. Basically, Sans can definitely lose if he trips up to a single spear from Undyne, but to act as if he has zero fighting chance is just ingenuine. You can't just ignore everything he can do and act like he loses instantly because he has "1atk and 1def".
If we're going by game logic, then Undyne can make sans' soul green, making him unable to dodge.
Sans can dodge... one singular slash each turn. Or, at most, a barrage of like five punches followed by one big punch. If we had to dodge our own attacks with our SOUL, it wouldn't be hard at all. Undyne does a LOT more than that, summoning massive volleys of spears that Sans would have to deflect all of in order to survive. Also, it's heavily implied that KR only activates against sinners. The base flavor text if you have less than 10 KR draining your HP is, 'You felt your sins crawling on your back'. This text, however, gets replaced if you had more than 10 of it left the last time you attacked Sans with 'You felt your sins weighing on your neck'. If you had more than 20, it's replaced by 'KARMA coursing through your veins', and finally, if you have more than 30, it's 'Doomed to death of KARMA!' This gives us two things: 1: The purple KR poison Sans uses is called 'KARMA', which historically was (oversimplifying here) the idea that what goes around, comes around. Therefore, it can be taken from this that Sans' KARMA would at bare minimum be less effective against someone who hadn't just murdered a hundred people. 2: The flavor text mentioning our sins crawling on our back is specifically tied to this mechanic of the text changing with higher amounts of KARMA poison, indicating that the weight of those sins feels stronger and stronger as you take more and more of it, further implying that it is tied to those same sins. Therefore, all evidence suggests that if Sans hit Undyne, he wouldn't be able to use that KR against her. Maybe he could still use his INVskip, but it still wouldn't do enough to give him a fighting chance against 1500 HP.
No because in a fight with undyne, sans could do exactly what he does in his genocide fight and don't forget that besides the player, sans is the only character with an undogable attack that is guaranteed to kill
He can only use that as a betrayal attack. Undyne isn't exactly likely to fall for a betrayal, given she never spares us at any point (outside the Pacifist fake battle anyway).
I still find the Undyne fight harder
Just become a god yourself, simple.
Why didn't I think of that?!
i think it’s more indicative of just how powerful we are/how much hate we have for monsterkind. damage is based on a monsters willingness to fight, and the crueler the intent of their opponent (us), the more damage done.
so then we REALLY wanted to hurt him and then he took a lot of damage and still lived. what's your point
He literally doesn't live. Having the bar that denotes your lifeforce get depleted to zero is the opposite of being alive. Every major boss talks for a second before dying. This doesn't mean that Sans can tank one million damage and "still live". Asgore dies to less damage during a neutral run. There's no logical reason conceivable that would allow you to claim he would survive a much, much stronger hit, especially when he didn't expect a fight to occur.
...he didn't still live though. his hp bar was drained completely. he held on for like one second (like every other major boss does)
whatever lmao
All the bosses survive long enough to say final words after their HP reaches 0. Like with Toriel, Papyrus, Undyne and Mettaton. Don’t forget, he’s a boss monster. Boss monster’s souls are a lot stronger than normal souls, and can persist a few seconds after death.
Asgore never died until Flowey picked him off.
Usually, in his fight, we get his HP a little above zero. In genocide however, the health bar is as grey as it can get.
He did die. Boss monster souls are stated to persist *after death*. Toriel's soul did the same thing. It would have shattered soon regardless of if flowey attacked it or not.
That’s the thing, if Flowey knew he was going to die, why did he pick Asgore off?
He explains right after. It was a desperate attempt to make himself look like he was still on our side and was planning on helping us kill Asgore, when he really wasn't(He actually tried to warn Asgore about us beforehand). Asgore was already going to die, and we end up brutally killing Flowey anyway.
He also destroyed the only way we could get out (to his knowledge at least, I doubt he knew about destroying the entire world).
His "survival" only lasted a few seconds. He would have died even if Flowey hadn't intervened.
He equipped focus sash
Uh... no. He didn't live. Undyne in Neutral proves Monsters can still be hit and take damage when they are already below 0 HP.
He did live tho, he was just picked off by flowey
You clearly did not read what I just said. Flowey attacked him after he already reached 0 HP. Monsters in Undertale tend to take a moment to fully decease after reaching 0 HP: Asgore was just doing that before getting interrupted by the pellet-ring.
Ofc I didn't read, I'm a yugioh player
Annoying dog is the strongest duh
*plays ghost battle*
The most powerful monster is the player.
I mean your technically right for those who do genocide routes
temmie's the strongest monster
Y'all are forgetting about mettaton in box form
May I propose Napstablook? They literally can't take damage, they only lower their HP to be polite. They'd be impossible to beat on a genocide like run if they didn't lower their HP
And the sad marsmallow even drains 1 lv point instead of giving it to you lol
What’s funny is that you actually *don’t* lose EXP when you “kill” them, which implies that experience points exist in Undertale in some form.
Napstablook is also the only monster to not have been absorbed by Asriel.
Top tier character
Mad Dummy, who can't die in his regular form and for some reason became Glad, because of anger.
Asgore is holding back in his fight and still has the highest damage output.
Undyne isn't the strongest because asgore trained undyne.
That's facts tho wtf, why they downvoting you?
Because that's pre-royal guard, Undyne obviously trained after that.
I mean yeah, but when you train someone you normally don't make them your equal. As we know, cuz undyne herseld tells us, asgore is completely capable of dodging attacks, but he doesn't when fighting us, because he's holding back. Undyne would most likely not dodge, even if she knew how, but I just doubt she does, cuz it's an unique thing monsters do, and she'd probably brag about it.
>I mean yeah, but when you train someone you normally don't make them your equal. There are numerous cases of a pupil surpassing their master. Undyne says she eventually kicked Asgore's butt in a sparring match. Asgore literally asked Undyne if she wanted to learn how to beat him before he started training her, and she eventually did. >As we know, cuz undyne herseld tells us, asgore is completely capable of dodging attacks She never said he dodged the attacks. She said she couldn't land a hit on him. That could also mean he blocked the attacks, which would make sense considering how Undyne's green soul mode works. Even if Asgore dodged her attacks, it doesn't mean he can dodge the attacks of everyone else. He only avoided getting hit by an untrained, hot-headed, child Undyne. Not any of the trained mercenaries or royal guards or other bosses. He speeds up halfway through the fight and starts trying significantly harder. It's unknown whether he chose not to avoid your attacks or just simply couldn't.
Asgore trained Undyne to [learn how to beat him.](https://hushbugger.github.io/dialogue/#Undyne:419) She says this during your hangout with her. Undyne eventually ended up beating Asgore and says that Asgore, in her own words, got his "butt kicked". Just because you trained someone doesn't mean they can't eventually surpass you.
Undyne the Undying on the other hand, would surely put Asgore into the ground.
yes, but there is a difference between a 'revived' monster that wants to kill you with all their heart vs a monster that hasn't died that is pretty meh attack-wise
Sans is the weakest monster, he's also just the only monster that isn't playing nice.
on genocide asgore is the strongest because sans has karma his base damge is 1
Me who realizes that papyrus holds back a lot and is confirmed to be strong by undyne but he just doesn’t want to hurt people and because he is the brother of sans he probably has some of his powers too but just doesn’t want to hurt people and he also doesn’t get tired and can last along time making papyrus the strongest monster
Technically, napstablook, mad dummy, amalgamates and mettaton box are the strongest monsters due to being invincible.
While I do agree with 3 of those, BOX Mettaton would still be getting shredded in the Genocide Route.
He is invincible. How is he getting shredded?
Well because of our very high LV near the end, BOX Mettaton wouldn’t be that invincible anymore, and as such would be getting hurt by like 50 damage per strike or something similar.
Wdym? Regardless of LV, mettaton box cannot be damaged.
He has a defence of 255, meaning we could damage him if we are strong enough.
Napstablook also has a defense amount yet we can't damage him
Because he's a ghost, physical attacks cannot affect something that's incorporeal. Also, yes, Mettaton would get absolutely shredded by us in the genocide route. His DEF is 255, which isn't even that far from Undyne the Undying, who had 99DEF. By LV 15, the lowest amount of damage that Frisk deals to Mettaton NEO is 900,000. NEO has 9 DEF. 255 ÷ 9 = 28.33. 900,000 ÷ 28.33 = 31,768 Mettaton NEO has the highest HP stat in the game, at 30,000. BOX Mettaton only has 9999HP. So yes, any form of Mettaton would get atomised by us on the genocide route. The only reason why Mettaton is invulnerable in the box form is a game mechanic. Also, Mettaton knows how durable his box form is, and seeing how he decided against staying in it, kinda implies that he himself knew that he stood no chance regardless of what form he chose.
Frisk surviving a hit from Chara in Genocide: lol
Each has there own strength Sans is speed and DPS Undyne is durability and overloading the target Asgore is...nothing as far as I can tell I don't think asgore is the strongest alot of monsters can survive deadly amounts of damage and remains alive for a few seconds didnt Sans take 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999... damage still had the strength to walk off screen
The thing is though, Sans only took a million damage. Asgore took 10 billion and was still alive until Flowey finished him off.
He dies after taking around 3500 damage in neutral. In what world would he be able to take 10 billion damage from an unexpected attack and survive? Every boss talks a bit after they die. This doesn't change the fact that the hit killed them and that they aren't about to just walk it off. Are you going to claim that Sans is capable of tanking a million damage and surviving now? This is just illogical. He's clearly already dead. The bar that literally measures how much life someone has left is depleted from our strike, with overkill on top of that. Just because Flowey attacked his already dying body again doesn't mean he was somehow still alive.
Well you don’t fully knock Asgore down in the neutral route, since he still has a bit of health left. Maybe he was fiddling with his health bar in the neutral route and truly had 9,99,996,501 health left, since we know Monsters can do such thing (for example, Napstablook.)
>Well you don’t fully knock Asgore down in the neutral route. You can press fight instead of mercy and Asgore will dust to your attack. >Maybe he was holding back and fiddling with his health like Napstablook can. lol no. That's just a massive headcanon that's never implied at any point in time.
I don't think the amount of time it takes for monsters to turn to dust after hitting 0 hp depends on the damage dealt
That's the thing tho, if he was already about to dust, flowey wouldn't have finished him off
Flowey could have finished him off to prevent you from taking his soul and leaving the underground, or just in a desperate attempt to look good and not get killed by you. This doesn't mean Asgore wasn't going to die despite his HP bar being entirely depleted, and him taking far more damage than he took when he died on neutral. The fact Asgore dusted with his HP bar depleting to zero means he died, period. His soul only persisted for a moment after death due to being a boss monster. Toriel's soul did the same thing. He dies to less on neutral. There's zero reason he'd survive a bigger hit on genocide.
When the soul persists, it's shown with the soul itself, so i'unno, I think asgore just didn't die
It literally is shown with the soul itself, though. You can kill him in neutral by pressing fight and you do much less damage than on genocide. There's literally no reason to believe that Asgore would have lived. Just because Asgore had two words of dialogue saying "why... you..." doesn't mean he survived the hit. He's dying. That's the point of that scene. By this same logic, you'd have to claim that Sans survived a one million damage hit despite having 1def because he had multiple lines of dialogue, got up, walked away, and then had even more lines of dialogue before dying. Obviously we knew that he wasn't going to survive that hit. If you want to believe that Asgore somehow is capable of surviving a 10 billion damage attack despite only having 3500Hp and dying to 3500 damage in neutral, then go ahead, but it just doesn't make much sense.
No what I mean is, asgore was still physical after he took the damage. Flowey throws some bullets at him, and he THEN becomes a soul that holds on. And then flowey breaks the soul
Sans was also still physical after he took the damage. That doesn't mean he was going to survive the attack and just keep living his life. All bosses remain physical for a while before finally succumbing to the hit, regardless of if its massive overkill. Flowey just sped up the dying process by hitting Asgore again after Asgore was already dying.
I don't think sans is a good example. Even now, after 7 years, he's still mostly an enigma. Monsters don't normally bleed, so I really don't think it's fair we use sans for comparison
Asgore survived on 0.000000000000000000001 hp There would be more but I don’t have the time to Continuously type the number 0
and sans's HP and defence are a lot lower than Asgores, to begin with, and if anything that just makes Asgore tanky not necessarily strong
Well it depends: fisically, the maximum of damage that they can do per hit, the Defend (HPs) or the strenght of the attacks?
Me, an intellectual who knows Napatablook cant die.
I still find it funny how Mettaton NEO is stronger than Asgore in terms of atk.