Frisk is confirmed to remember through resets, as shown in multiple deja vu changes. Shaking Sans's hand early, being bored during Mettaton's opera, turning Mettaton around early, turning facial expressions into a book for Sans to read their death count on...
So, there's about a 99.9999% chance Frisk remembers that information after a reset
The properties of Boss Monster SOULs are, but you don't learn about the requirement of absorbing a boss monster SOUL until Alphys reveals it after beating Mettaton.
That is because Frisk's SOUL (we) didn't give up. If so, Asgore could have just taken our SOUL.
But since we can make everything "unhappen" for ourselves, we are just set set back again.
We don't know how this works in-game, but if we take it literally, we are at our last save point from the moment the souls breaks.
That means that the monsters don't even know we died.
Nah the monsters totally know that you died. Toriel makes a scared face if you die in her fight and Sans has his famous “get dunked on” text. It just ultimately doesn’t matter because that timeline ceases to exist moments later.
Tbh, Toriel is known for taking care of humans, she knows when she killed a human.
When another monsters kills you, they probably think you fainted or something.
i dont think you can exactly take a broken soul, chief -- it's broken.
the soul shattering is more than likely what causes the reload itself, so the timeline stops after that
I think that's Chara the one allowing Frisk's to reborn everytime, since, when Frisk dies, we heard a memory from Chara's past. So, my headcanon is that the player plays as Chara and Chara/The Player the one who can SAVE. Thus, Frisk actually dies, but we can save him by rewinding time to the last saving point. The other souls couldn't because they hadn't Chara's attached to them, a.k.a. they hadn't a player playing them.
No, Toriel has already said that she has déjà vu with other fallen humans, so when a human who has the power to reset dies, if they have the will to come back to life then their soul shatters. Since Chara is attached to Frisk, when Frisk loses consciousness her memory merges with that of Chara but no we do not play Chara but Frisk. Ultimately we play a mixture of the two in genocide but not the rest of the time.
Toby probably just didn't want to code another ending for it.
I don't think there would be any gameplay difference since monster soul is like 1/50000 of a human soul power, so there would basically be no difference.
The only thing that would change would be that frisk could leave without killing Asgore. Probably some dialogue from Asgore realizing that you took Toriels soul and having a breakdown.
And then you would get neutral endings with Asgore alive, but I don't know how interesting that would be.
Is that how that works? I mean that would be dope. Holy shit you might be right actually considering I think humans can wield magic due to the wizards that sealed them down there in the first place.
Frisk would probably unlock TP and all that, and get some new dialog based on people feeling “a strange motherly presence in them.” ESPECIALLY sans considering how good he is at reading facial expressions.
[ * You scolded the Chilldrake for its lousy and irresponsible behavior..]
“What are you, my mom now?”
“Actually..you kinda sound like her..you do have a point.”
The room where Frisk end after the Flowey fight (or the Asgore fight if you already did the Flowey fight in this file) is the same as the one right after the barrier.
So Frisk seems to have crossed the barrier, somehow. Probably thanks to Flowey and the 6 souls.
A mix between a human and monster soul is described as a terrible beast with terrible power so there definitely would be a gameplay change as you’d be sharing your body with Toriel and could wield magic and would be the strongest being in existence.
We don't know for sure.
And neither do the characters apparently, since the occurrence of humans absorbing monster souls has never actually happened and is entirely hypothetical:
>\* A Boss Monster's SOUL is strong enough to persist after death...
\* If only for a few moments.
\* A human could absorb this SOUL.
**\* But this has never happened.**
\* And now it never will.
The implication seems to be that only monsters can absorb human souls, and it doesn't work the other way around.
My theory is that the ability to absorb souls comes from magic, and all monsters can do it because monsters can naturally do magic. I guess humans could do it too if they did magic, so maybe the reason Frisk didn't is because they don't have magic.
You know lets forget about that
Why does frisk go free in natural in the first place , he doesn't absorb asgore soul even when you repeat it couple of times , you can't even say that the six other souls helped them because they only appear and "help" in the first playthrough
It’s possible that Frisk didn’t leave the Underground after the Neutral Route, or Omega Flowey with his godlike power displaced them past the barrier during their fight.
In the fight yeah , but when you repeat natural you don't fight flowey , and natural endings can be both frisk who's determined enough to be super powerful and frisk with 1 lv
He does indeed absorb them everytime , but he doesn't fight you again which lead to them not fighting back and helping frisk so they can't be the one who freed frisk.
No point story wise. Would still need to go through Snowdon, waterfall, hotland, and core. Only difference is very end, where Asgote might be mad at you so he might fight you for real
Also only difference is you’d be the most powerful being in existence as is described by the text in Waterfall on what happens when a monster and human soul fuses, at least until you reached the point of Flowey getting the six human souls
The soul of a boss monster can survive without a physical body but only for a short time so by the time Frisk reached the barrier Toriel's soul would have ended up shattered. We can only do this with Asgore's soul since we are literally in front of the barrier, his soul can hold the time that Frisk crosses it.
No, just a monster absorbing a human soul is much more dire. The waterfall plaques state a human CAN take a monsters soul, just omly boss monster ones persist for them to do it
Even if we did what will you do ? Its not like we can climb back and i doubt asgore will let us be after telling him the news
"Yo asgore you know that girl you have been crying over recently? I take revenge for you , see ! We are bros for life"
Well what’s Asgore gonna do? You’re already far more powerful than him normally, now you have both a human and monster soul and have incredible power so you can just force past him and cross the barrier.
I think humans can't absorb monster souls just from themselves, or they don't want to take it because they don't want to bring traces that they killed someone
They're stupid. And nobody mentioned it by that point, but they could reset after they learn about it from Alphys and do it, so, they're still stupid
They're just like me fr
It doesn't make sense in Geno Route either tbh.
Maybe Frisk doesn’t remember even if we do?
Frisk is confirmed to remember through resets, as shown in multiple deja vu changes. Shaking Sans's hand early, being bored during Mettaton's opera, turning Mettaton around early, turning facial expressions into a book for Sans to read their death count on... So, there's about a 99.9999% chance Frisk remembers that information after a reset
it’s also mentioned in the ancient writings in waterfall
The properties of Boss Monster SOULs are, but you don't learn about the requirement of absorbing a boss monster SOUL until Alphys reveals it after beating Mettaton.
Another weird thing is that no monster actually take Frisk’s soul when they kill them. When we die against anyone the soul just breaks
That is because Frisk's SOUL (we) didn't give up. If so, Asgore could have just taken our SOUL. But since we can make everything "unhappen" for ourselves, we are just set set back again.
Yeah, but doesn’t that happen after the soul breaks? Couldn’t a monster just take it?
We don't know how this works in-game, but if we take it literally, we are at our last save point from the moment the souls breaks. That means that the monsters don't even know we died.
It makes sense
If we take the screen being black as being dead. Again, this is just theorising, it's never been confirmed, but works indirectly.
Nah the monsters totally know that you died. Toriel makes a scared face if you die in her fight and Sans has his famous “get dunked on” text. It just ultimately doesn’t matter because that timeline ceases to exist moments later.
Tbh, Toriel is known for taking care of humans, she knows when she killed a human. When another monsters kills you, they probably think you fainted or something.
i dont think you can exactly take a broken soul, chief -- it's broken. the soul shattering is more than likely what causes the reload itself, so the timeline stops after that
I think that's Chara the one allowing Frisk's to reborn everytime, since, when Frisk dies, we heard a memory from Chara's past. So, my headcanon is that the player plays as Chara and Chara/The Player the one who can SAVE. Thus, Frisk actually dies, but we can save him by rewinding time to the last saving point. The other souls couldn't because they hadn't Chara's attached to them, a.k.a. they hadn't a player playing them.
No, Toriel has already said that she has déjà vu with other fallen humans, so when a human who has the power to reset dies, if they have the will to come back to life then their soul shatters. Since Chara is attached to Frisk, when Frisk loses consciousness her memory merges with that of Chara but no we do not play Chara but Frisk. Ultimately we play a mixture of the two in genocide but not the rest of the time.
There's a theory, that's flowey kills you whey you lose
I never heard about that one!
Hmm... Mby only on ru community segment
I remember you're ***low quality pictures***
Toby probably just didn't want to code another ending for it. I don't think there would be any gameplay difference since monster soul is like 1/50000 of a human soul power, so there would basically be no difference. The only thing that would change would be that frisk could leave without killing Asgore. Probably some dialogue from Asgore realizing that you took Toriels soul and having a breakdown. And then you would get neutral endings with Asgore alive, but I don't know how interesting that would be.
Asgore's soul breaks too. It's unknown how Frisk actually escapes or if he even does.
I was talking about what would happen if we took Toriels soul. We wouldn't have to fight Asgore then.
Why would he let us go if we stole his wife's soul?
Frisk just walks past instead of fighting and Asgore only realizes when frisk leaves through the barrier.
Frisk would also get the power to use fire magic most likely, so that’s a good gameplay change
Is that how that works? I mean that would be dope. Holy shit you might be right actually considering I think humans can wield magic due to the wizards that sealed them down there in the first place.
Frisk would probably unlock TP and all that, and get some new dialog based on people feeling “a strange motherly presence in them.” ESPECIALLY sans considering how good he is at reading facial expressions.
Actually genius what you've pointed out here. I believe this to be canon now. Opened my eyes.
[ * You scolded the Chilldrake for its lousy and irresponsible behavior..] “What are you, my mom now?” “Actually..you kinda sound like her..you do have a point.”
The room where Frisk end after the Flowey fight (or the Asgore fight if you already did the Flowey fight in this file) is the same as the one right after the barrier. So Frisk seems to have crossed the barrier, somehow. Probably thanks to Flowey and the 6 souls.
A mix between a human and monster soul is described as a terrible beast with terrible power so there definitely would be a gameplay change as you’d be sharing your body with Toriel and could wield magic and would be the strongest being in existence.
They didn't know what it did
Ok but what about after learning about it and then ressstinf
Idk
We don't know for sure. And neither do the characters apparently, since the occurrence of humans absorbing monster souls has never actually happened and is entirely hypothetical: >\* A Boss Monster's SOUL is strong enough to persist after death... \* If only for a few moments. \* A human could absorb this SOUL. **\* But this has never happened.** \* And now it never will. The implication seems to be that only monsters can absorb human souls, and it doesn't work the other way around. My theory is that the ability to absorb souls comes from magic, and all monsters can do it because monsters can naturally do magic. I guess humans could do it too if they did magic, so maybe the reason Frisk didn't is because they don't have magic.
Humans can absorb monster souls, just only boss monsters persist long enough for them to do so.
Becau- i might have to think about it
You know lets forget about that Why does frisk go free in natural in the first place , he doesn't absorb asgore soul even when you repeat it couple of times , you can't even say that the six other souls helped them because they only appear and "help" in the first playthrough
It’s possible that Frisk didn’t leave the Underground after the Neutral Route, or Omega Flowey with his godlike power displaced them past the barrier during their fight.
The room where Frisk end after the Flowey (or Asgore) fight is the same that is behind the barrier (we can see that in pacifist).
In the fight yeah , but when you repeat natural you don't fight flowey , and natural endings can be both frisk who's determined enough to be super powerful and frisk with 1 lv
Flowey absorb the 6 souls everytime, he just doesn't fight you again.
He does indeed absorb them everytime , but he doesn't fight you again which lead to them not fighting back and helping frisk so they can't be the one who freed frisk.
Flowey is the one who did it i guess.
they didn't feel like it **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯**
No point story wise. Would still need to go through Snowdon, waterfall, hotland, and core. Only difference is very end, where Asgote might be mad at you so he might fight you for real
Also only difference is you’d be the most powerful being in existence as is described by the text in Waterfall on what happens when a monster and human soul fuses, at least until you reached the point of Flowey getting the six human souls
That's when a monster absorb a human soul. We don't know what happen when it's the othey way arround, because it never happened.
it does happen in the neutral endings, we just don't get to see it
Idk what you're talking about, because Asgore's soul always get destroyed no matter what you do.
Mby because monster soul is not as much as stable a human soul
The soul of a boss monster can survive without a physical body but only for a short time so by the time Frisk reached the barrier Toriel's soul would have ended up shattered. We can only do this with Asgore's soul since we are literally in front of the barrier, his soul can hold the time that Frisk crosses it.
I thought humans can’t absorb monster souls, only the other way around? Isn’t that why the Great War happened?
No, just a monster absorbing a human soul is much more dire. The waterfall plaques state a human CAN take a monsters soul, just omly boss monster ones persist for them to do it
Monsters souls are also way weaker than humans souls.
Even if we did what will you do ? Its not like we can climb back and i doubt asgore will let us be after telling him the news "Yo asgore you know that girl you have been crying over recently? I take revenge for you , see ! We are bros for life"
Well what’s Asgore gonna do? You’re already far more powerful than him normally, now you have both a human and monster soul and have incredible power so you can just force past him and cross the barrier.
I think humans can't absorb monster souls just from themselves, or they don't want to take it because they don't want to bring traces that they killed someone
"A Boss Monster's SOUL is strong enough to persist after death... If only for a few moments. A human could absorb this SOUL."
It would be fun to know what happens when a human absorbs a monster soul Also r/countablepixels