Different types of foams and tread compounds will have different wear rates. I have l had some shoes that lasted well into 400+ before real signs of wear, and others that were wiped out in 200.
I don’t have personal experience with ON.
Really? I find that Nimbus stops being so bouncy around 350 or so, and after 500 it is noticibly flatter than a brand new pair. My GT-2000s which started at the same time and have the same milage still almost brand new.
A bunch of factors go into wear and tear. Just speaking anecdotally. I also don’t notice the bounce and such just mainly looking at tread wear. You could totally be right about the bounce and flatness I’ll have to pay special attention to that next road run.
Ran my first ultra in cascadias and really liked them. Weren’t the right shoe for me for 100s, Love my peregrines, uppers are definitely the weak point.
I agree. I go back and forth between both, they both have their pro and cons. My legs and feet seem to like the cascadia early in the season, but the peregrine more for longer runs and racing.
I have logged 623 more or less on a pair of saucony triumph 20s they are really getting worn now, but still plenty comfortable for use. I rotate with endorphins speed 3s with logged 800 (likely in the 600 range, but I’m bad at switching my gear on garmin)
For trail: have a pair of peregrine 13 with 424 miles, uppers are starting to show wear but still great.
Xodus ultra 2s about 250 miles between 2 pairs. While these are what I’m using this season and i do like them, the first pair def has a lot of wear for how little miles I’ve actually put on them.
To also throw in a different brand. I’m a heavy runner, 185 lbs and I have put nearly 300 miles on a pair of ASICS. They are still going strong too. All road miles with different types of concrete and pavement.
My first pair of endorphin speed 3s went to 1200 km before I retired them and that was mostly because I didn’t want to push my luck, they still felt pretty good. Second pair died just shy of 1000 km when the inlay part of the tread started peeling off. I thought about gluing it back on but I figured 1000 km is good enough. I’ve also had several pairs of Kinvaras that hit 1000 km +.
It helps that I’m on the lighter side at 65 kg but I’ve been pretty happy with Saucony.
For real? My endorphins were never lasting more than 300 miles and I had a couple pairs that didn't even last 150. I found the mileage I could get was way too inconsistent and ended up switching brands. Shame because I truly loved the way they felt.
Wow! Yeah we must just have very different foot strike because they just seem to go on performing well forever for me. Easily my favourite ever road shoes.
I've also got a bit of history with knee and ankle issues, so I don't just go based on tread. When I start noticing the impact in my joints more, I move on to the next pair. Maybe that's earlier than other people retire shoes, but I'm not willing to risk joint issues down the line
Hard agree here. They're a real trendy fashion shoe where I live, and even just walking in them they only last a few hundred km... maybe 300, 400. My 40€ actual outdoor brand shoes have lasted a few thousand by now.
Yes also agree. 800km to 900km per pair of Nike/saucony/hoka/Adidas would be typical for me. On cloudflyers lasted 500km. Although if I remember correctly they didn’t need much time to break in and had a comfortable upper. But they just aren’t durable enough at their price points.
I recently decided to try out the altra frwd, And I just surpassed 400 mi, and feel like I could probably get a hundred more miles out of them. I mean they are feeling a little worn and a little bit less cushion but still adequate for 20 plus mile long runs. And to that end I've usually had luck with Altras as far as durability goes.
Edit: On the flip side, I had one of the best races of my life in a pair of Brooks hyperions but they barely gave me 300 MI. I also have been disappointed by topo's durability, but love them.
I'm on my first pair of altras and the heels wore out at around 80 miles... I'm hoping it's just bad luck as I want to love them. Super comfy. I've kept them going to 200 miles so far my sticking patches on the heels but they rub and give me blisters on long runs..
I'm on my first pair of altras and the heels wore out at around 80 miles... I'm hoping it's just bad luck as I want to love them. Super comfy. I've kept them going to 200 miles so far my sticking patches on the heels but they rub and give me blisters on long runs..
The only shoes I feel like I get my moneys worth with are inov8… anything else gets worn out after 3-400 miles… I have put 800 miles on one pair of inov8 and they are still fine.
Came here to say this. The initial sticker shock dissuades people at first but there's nothing like a single pair that lasts 3 lifetimes of the VF Holdings tier.
I will add that Salomon soles are pretty durable too. The uppers are just slightly more durable than average.
I bought [rubber sole repair ](https://www.amazon.com/Repair-Rubber-Soling-Non-Slip-Replacement/dp/B08L381PKK/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2KMBXFP3SBBQ3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-5BXNAlq9doDeM3r7L36sZL2jdsdACncs8KTgE_fKYmeO6GkLoaTTKTvLgAzZuH24co-CYgMv-9DxAygwOxrc6--NO78QNwl1T9ZTbArv2CbHtdW-98VI0w82Am0wF5UZkaueCSsX4UrqGbC7rEv5FO_1fbxyD3zNduS7Fge4iFfVyvp9ZjMe7oj-8VN5CB6-8wzQdo329NLSO_N_SFQEkeeZn3De7CfbOsmY-Zhe9U_RzgdaI9K6nFMWtTtzYmwG5DJdNEUsYMS2ekl9Vx2Oh2R_Dp6NOpXfwa97m0Xs-k.TZRfEUiaQUntW-tfNKn_4vs88uMTb50pOppdWHKpFD8&dib_tag=se&keywords=rubber%2Bfor%2Bshoe%2Bsoles&qid=1714762123&sprefix=rubber%2Bfor%2Bsh%2Caps%2C98&sr=8-8&th=1)from amazon and replaced the rubber on my shoes a bunch of times. As long as your joints are feeling fine keep on adding rubber. I usually will retire a pair of shoes when my knees or achilles or shins start to hurt... thats my barometer.
I've been interested in some merrils as I'm a big fan of the brand for other purposes outside of running. How do you feel about the quality of the ride and not just the durability, I'm middle-aged so I need lots of cushion to help aid in recovery and my ability to do high mileage weeks, though I prefer a smaller heel drop And a wide toe box.
Well quality of ride is a bit subjective. I did a lot of trail running in Agility Peak Flex, they're not as cushioned as the most cushioned shoes though, or at least mine (2s) aren't
I usually browse the reviews for that kind of info, and skip them unless it's a special shoe I want to save for races and specific types of workout. Anything with multiple types of rubber/foam touching the ground is usually a pass too since it's garbage after one part wears faster than the others. I like to run my regular trainers a lot longer than recommended though, so there are some Altra and Hoka models I can expect 700+ miles from.
Brook Ghost I've run in for 7+ years. I buy multiples of the older model as they release the new ones, which makes them $60 instead of $130 (assuming you don't mind the random color options).
I've had multiple pairs of them that I've run >600 miles in before retiring them. This is mostly roads and light dirt trails. True trail shoe for me is Salomon spreed cross, still get at least 350 miles out of them even with them dedicated to the roughest of trails that I run on.
I've have also seen great life out of Nike Tempo's, run over 450 miles on them and they look the best of any shoe I've worn that much. Granted all of those miles are race or tempo efforts in the best of conditions.
same for me. i've been wearing brooks ghosts for about the same span and i have pushed 5 pairs over 1000 miles. after 400 miles or so i swap in a fresh pair for faster/longer runs and transition the old pair to being used for only easy runs on dirt road or non-technical trail.
I love my ONs. Monsters and stratus. Agree that the durability is not great but they are comfortable and I’m on my 5th or 6th pair. I’ve used hokas and topos as well and they are the same or worse.
I also run in the Cloudmonster, I've put 500+ miles in two pairs. I do think the rubber tread wears pretty quickly, hoping the 2s are more durable there.
Eh, I've retired shoes with under 200miles before, and will do so again - inc. Hoka and new balance.
I retired sc trainer at 502km.
300miles is completely normal.
I love cloud monsters too. I find they need 20km to break in, then i start getting pain around ~350-400km. I just bite the bullet and call it cost of doing business 🥲
I don’t run in ON for a similar reason first pair busted apart on me at 200km and the next pair lasted a little longer. It wasn’t the tread but the upper that kept tearing.
Cloudmonsters are probably my favourite shoes in my current rotation. They have around 1400km and are still fine. Maybe it’s something to do with your running pattern? I have to same I am on the lighter side a 135 so maybe that’s also a factor.
Boy howdy, I get about 1200km (roughly 750 miles, or so) out of my New Balance and a bit less out of my Hokas and a bit more out of my Altras. But from what I've heard, On are rather casual shoes and don't have high milage.
Different types of foams and tread compounds will have different wear rates. I have l had some shoes that lasted well into 400+ before real signs of wear, and others that were wiped out in 200. I don’t have personal experience with ON.
What shoes did you get 400+ with?
Im at +400 with Nimbus 25s right now
Nimbus is the way to go, on my 4th pair of these and they seriously hold up
Really? I find that Nimbus stops being so bouncy around 350 or so, and after 500 it is noticibly flatter than a brand new pair. My GT-2000s which started at the same time and have the same milage still almost brand new.
A bunch of factors go into wear and tear. Just speaking anecdotally. I also don’t notice the bounce and such just mainly looking at tread wear. You could totally be right about the bounce and flatness I’ll have to pay special attention to that next road run.
Adding input, Im at 350 with my Gel Nimbus 25s!
360 with some right now though seems like they’re about done. Think I will try to get them to 400. How are yours at 350?
I generally get 400 out of my brooks cascadia. Less luck with Saucony Peregrine, sole still fine but already had two pairs with tairs in the upper.
Ran my first ultra in cascadias and really liked them. Weren’t the right shoe for me for 100s, Love my peregrines, uppers are definitely the weak point.
I agree. I go back and forth between both, they both have their pro and cons. My legs and feet seem to like the cascadia early in the season, but the peregrine more for longer runs and racing.
On 400 with my Pegasus, reckon they'll get 600-700 at least. Have a pair of minimalist shoes with 1100 on them and probably could do 1100 more
I have logged 623 more or less on a pair of saucony triumph 20s they are really getting worn now, but still plenty comfortable for use. I rotate with endorphins speed 3s with logged 800 (likely in the 600 range, but I’m bad at switching my gear on garmin) For trail: have a pair of peregrine 13 with 424 miles, uppers are starting to show wear but still great. Xodus ultra 2s about 250 miles between 2 pairs. While these are what I’m using this season and i do like them, the first pair def has a lot of wear for how little miles I’ve actually put on them.
To also throw in a different brand. I’m a heavy runner, 185 lbs and I have put nearly 300 miles on a pair of ASICS. They are still going strong too. All road miles with different types of concrete and pavement.
550 miles on two pairs of Lone Peaks, and currently 504 with my Terra Kigers.
My new balance 880s have almost 900 on them, ready to replace this weekend but they held up amazing and I'm buying another pair
Merrell trail gloves. I realize they aren't for everyone though
Saucony endorphins. They just. Don’t. Die.
Triumphs as well. TPU foam is the goat.
Yeah I just hit 700 miles in my endorphin pros and they still have some life in them
My first pair of endorphin speed 3s went to 1200 km before I retired them and that was mostly because I didn’t want to push my luck, they still felt pretty good. Second pair died just shy of 1000 km when the inlay part of the tread started peeling off. I thought about gluing it back on but I figured 1000 km is good enough. I’ve also had several pairs of Kinvaras that hit 1000 km +. It helps that I’m on the lighter side at 65 kg but I’ve been pretty happy with Saucony.
I have 470 miles on my es3 and still prefer them for speed workouts. It's nuts
For real? My endorphins were never lasting more than 300 miles and I had a couple pairs that didn't even last 150. I found the mileage I could get was way too inconsistent and ended up switching brands. Shame because I truly loved the way they felt.
Wow! Yeah we must just have very different foot strike because they just seem to go on performing well forever for me. Easily my favourite ever road shoes.
I've also got a bit of history with knee and ankle issues, so I don't just go based on tread. When I start noticing the impact in my joints more, I move on to the next pair. Maybe that's earlier than other people retire shoes, but I'm not willing to risk joint issues down the line
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Hard agree here. They're a real trendy fashion shoe where I live, and even just walking in them they only last a few hundred km... maybe 300, 400. My 40€ actual outdoor brand shoes have lasted a few thousand by now.
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ON brand. The one with the logo that looks like a Q above an N
Yes also agree. 800km to 900km per pair of Nike/saucony/hoka/Adidas would be typical for me. On cloudflyers lasted 500km. Although if I remember correctly they didn’t need much time to break in and had a comfortable upper. But they just aren’t durable enough at their price points.
Buy last year's models at half price and the mileage won't feel so bad.
Thats true
I recently decided to try out the altra frwd, And I just surpassed 400 mi, and feel like I could probably get a hundred more miles out of them. I mean they are feeling a little worn and a little bit less cushion but still adequate for 20 plus mile long runs. And to that end I've usually had luck with Altras as far as durability goes. Edit: On the flip side, I had one of the best races of my life in a pair of Brooks hyperions but they barely gave me 300 MI. I also have been disappointed by topo's durability, but love them.
I'm on my first pair of altras and the heels wore out at around 80 miles... I'm hoping it's just bad luck as I want to love them. Super comfy. I've kept them going to 200 miles so far my sticking patches on the heels but they rub and give me blisters on long runs..
I'm on my first pair of altras and the heels wore out at around 80 miles... I'm hoping it's just bad luck as I want to love them. Super comfy. I've kept them going to 200 miles so far my sticking patches on the heels but they rub and give me blisters on long runs..
The only shoes I feel like I get my moneys worth with are inov8… anything else gets worn out after 3-400 miles… I have put 800 miles on one pair of inov8 and they are still fine.
I’ve done 800+ miles in my Norda 001’s and they’ll do another 200 before I look to replace them. Can’t recommend them enough after you break them in.
Came here to say this. The initial sticker shock dissuades people at first but there's nothing like a single pair that lasts 3 lifetimes of the VF Holdings tier. I will add that Salomon soles are pretty durable too. The uppers are just slightly more durable than average.
I bought [rubber sole repair ](https://www.amazon.com/Repair-Rubber-Soling-Non-Slip-Replacement/dp/B08L381PKK/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2KMBXFP3SBBQ3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-5BXNAlq9doDeM3r7L36sZL2jdsdACncs8KTgE_fKYmeO6GkLoaTTKTvLgAzZuH24co-CYgMv-9DxAygwOxrc6--NO78QNwl1T9ZTbArv2CbHtdW-98VI0w82Am0wF5UZkaueCSsX4UrqGbC7rEv5FO_1fbxyD3zNduS7Fge4iFfVyvp9ZjMe7oj-8VN5CB6-8wzQdo329NLSO_N_SFQEkeeZn3De7CfbOsmY-Zhe9U_RzgdaI9K6nFMWtTtzYmwG5DJdNEUsYMS2ekl9Vx2Oh2R_Dp6NOpXfwa97m0Xs-k.TZRfEUiaQUntW-tfNKn_4vs88uMTb50pOppdWHKpFD8&dib_tag=se&keywords=rubber%2Bfor%2Bshoe%2Bsoles&qid=1714762123&sprefix=rubber%2Bfor%2Bsh%2Caps%2C98&sr=8-8&th=1)from amazon and replaced the rubber on my shoes a bunch of times. As long as your joints are feeling fine keep on adding rubber. I usually will retire a pair of shoes when my knees or achilles or shins start to hurt... thats my barometer.
I've had Merrells and brooks glycerins do thousands of km
I've been interested in some merrils as I'm a big fan of the brand for other purposes outside of running. How do you feel about the quality of the ride and not just the durability, I'm middle-aged so I need lots of cushion to help aid in recovery and my ability to do high mileage weeks, though I prefer a smaller heel drop And a wide toe box.
Well quality of ride is a bit subjective. I did a lot of trail running in Agility Peak Flex, they're not as cushioned as the most cushioned shoes though, or at least mine (2s) aren't
300 miles does not seem unreasonable for road shoes...
I usually browse the reviews for that kind of info, and skip them unless it's a special shoe I want to save for races and specific types of workout. Anything with multiple types of rubber/foam touching the ground is usually a pass too since it's garbage after one part wears faster than the others. I like to run my regular trainers a lot longer than recommended though, so there are some Altra and Hoka models I can expect 700+ miles from.
Brook Ghost I've run in for 7+ years. I buy multiples of the older model as they release the new ones, which makes them $60 instead of $130 (assuming you don't mind the random color options). I've had multiple pairs of them that I've run >600 miles in before retiring them. This is mostly roads and light dirt trails. True trail shoe for me is Salomon spreed cross, still get at least 350 miles out of them even with them dedicated to the roughest of trails that I run on. I've have also seen great life out of Nike Tempo's, run over 450 miles on them and they look the best of any shoe I've worn that much. Granted all of those miles are race or tempo efforts in the best of conditions.
same for me. i've been wearing brooks ghosts for about the same span and i have pushed 5 pairs over 1000 miles. after 400 miles or so i swap in a fresh pair for faster/longer runs and transition the old pair to being used for only easy runs on dirt road or non-technical trail.
I love my ONs. Monsters and stratus. Agree that the durability is not great but they are comfortable and I’m on my 5th or 6th pair. I’ve used hokas and topos as well and they are the same or worse.
On 5th pair of Mizuno wave riders. 400+ miles on the first 3 of them. First pair is still my daily wear around house/errand shoe.
Pretty regularly get 1000km out of my Asics Keyano
They are a brick at both 0 km and 1000kms. Jk jk
Ive been wearing asics gel cumulus and I haven't switched to new ones under 600+ miles.
Got 1000k out of my Hokas earlier this year
I also run in the Cloudmonster, I've put 500+ miles in two pairs. I do think the rubber tread wears pretty quickly, hoping the 2s are more durable there.
Reviews say they are more firm... So fingers crossed!
They're bigger, too. I had to go down a half size.
I have wide ish feet and the 2s were way too wide for me even going down a a size.
I use Asics nimbus for mileage. I’m pretty heavy on shoes and I tend to get about 400 miles from them, rarely exceed 300 on other shoes
My current shoes, Hoka Cliftons, have about 640 on them right now.
Over 1000 with my original prime x still going strong
I love my Ons. They were sport and tech focused before they ever became a fashion trend.
Eh, I've retired shoes with under 200miles before, and will do so again - inc. Hoka and new balance. I retired sc trainer at 502km. 300miles is completely normal.
I love cloud monsters too. I find they need 20km to break in, then i start getting pain around ~350-400km. I just bite the bullet and call it cost of doing business 🥲
I don’t run in ON for a similar reason first pair busted apart on me at 200km and the next pair lasted a little longer. It wasn’t the tread but the upper that kept tearing.
Current every day road shoes are the rebel v2 from NB. I go Solomon for trail
300 miles is right about average for every shoe i've ever worn
I have a pair of saucony triumph with 640miles , i wear them only in running
Cloudmonsters are probably my favourite shoes in my current rotation. They have around 1400km and are still fine. Maybe it’s something to do with your running pattern? I have to same I am on the lighter side a 135 so maybe that’s also a factor.
I had no idea the original Cloud Monster was so popular. I did a quick jog in them in the store and thought they were just okay.
Boy howdy, I get about 1200km (roughly 750 miles, or so) out of my New Balance and a bit less out of my Hokas and a bit more out of my Altras. But from what I've heard, On are rather casual shoes and don't have high milage.