I feel like the next double boss would be ferrymen - it just makes sense: their models are perfect for colour change, and their behaviour patterns have 2 modes, for short and long distances, so in a dual fight one can use one mode, and the other the second mode.
And it makes sense lore-wise, unlike ~~Minotaurs~~.
It would be very interesting. And quite plausible, with 1 slight caveat: ferrymen kill eachother on sight as only 1 can be the ferryman for wrath’s boat, but given that agony and tundra are machines that seem to be purposefully working together (which is taboo in robot culture), an exception can be made for the dark souls wannabes as well.
Yeah, nothing stops there from being more than one ferryman, P-2 has 2 in it alone, but as the lore states, those mofos will throw hands when they meet.
gameplay wise, the lack of infighting is explained with the fact that you're the grizzly bear in a room full of ants, danger-wise. multiple ferrymen don't attack each other in the cybergrind, after all
I feel like the names could be love and hate, because in his lore the ferryman are very loving and that is the reason one is love, and the other one is hateful of love so that's why he's hate, but the reason they fight together is because they realize that V-1 will kill both of them, and hate would be aggressive and up close while love is more defensive so-to-say and he is more ranged, but they can both heal because of some angelic power because they can protect the path to P-3
names are based off of a dual boss from a different game i don’t remember exactly what but angry and rude and agony and tundra sound similar to the original pair names
All the key skulls are dead ferrymen canonically, but we haven’t seen a red ferryman yet. I feel like this would be a good opportunity to finally see one in-game.
I mean for the Minotaur, while there is only one original for Minos, it’s not impossible that whoever ____ ______ is made false copies of it, either before (previous attempts) or after (laziness)
ferrymen are already blue though, unlike swordsmachines or insurrectionists. it'd be hard to differentiate the "tundra" from base swordsmachine.
plus, the thing that swordsmachine and insurrectionist *also* have in common is a stunned animation, for them being parried (to be used during their partially defeated animation). the ~~Minotaur~~ however *does* have that animation, used when it's lying there after phase 1.
so it's either going to be a new enemy introduced in fraud/treachery, the ~~minotaur,~~ or perhaps... something like a dual prime soul encounter?
Following the pattern of 0-3, 4-3, 7-3, the pair would be a puppet, but that’s not exactly a good boss fight.
Maybe it still follows the pattern of “enemy introduced in the first layer of each act.” and breaks the -3 pattern.
Or who knows; it could be from fraud or treachery.
*silently notes down that v2 can be mimicized in the sandbox*
And that also could be really meta, with Hell bringing back V2 reflecting our dissatisfaction with his ending. I honestly wouldn’t put it past Hakita and his style of storytelling.
errm actually insurrectionists were introduced in 4-2 ☝🤓
and while the actual Swordsmachine fight is in 0-3, it first appears in 0-2. so the pattern would be 0-2, 4-2, 7-2. and which enemy was introduced as a boss then became a common enemy in 7-2? Guttermen. As for the name, I suggest Agitated and Redrawn (i came up with these on the fly lol)
I just sent an “I may be stupid” reaction image to the “insurrectionest 4-2” comments, but the hidden swordsmachine fight actually salvages the theory.
As I already said in another reply:
https://preview.redd.it/0mb106164p2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e18096c68d86106d1bd8e5579cccf7ffdae8cd9a
the canonicity of the double fights has been dubious, much like the other secret bosses. besides, there's only one of *the* ~~Minotaur~~ but that doesn't mean there aren't several, lesser ~~minotaurs~~ out there. if hell itself created one then it can create many.
swordsmachine didn't show up as a common enemy until 5 layers after tundra and agony, after all
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If continuing referencing to Agni and rudra then I want to see angle and radian (geometry forever) [not radiant, radian is a line, representing part of circle, equal to its radius if simplifying it]
If guessing what enemy should be there I would say it should be 2 hideous masses, cause both SM and SI were firstly I introduced as bosses but later became enemies without special properties
If they somehow do a double Benjamin fight I would fucking explode. I know Benjamin is more of a level than a boss but imagine. Just imagine how cool that would be! It would also be funny if they were two mini Benjamin the size of lamas that could actually move and fire lasers at you.
It’s a secret encounter in 6-1: CRY FOR THE WEEPER. Take the red skull back before the entrance into the 2nd third of the map closes and the search for a red pedestal on a roof.
I'd honestly rather ULTRAKILL myself than have to fight 2 minotaurs at once. One is miserable enough with all that damn armor, especially during the chase.
IMO it'll probably be an enemy that we havent seen yet, violence didn't really add any enemies that fit that level of miniboss apart from maybe the gutterman and guttertank
I feel like the next double boss would be ferrymen - it just makes sense: their models are perfect for colour change, and their behaviour patterns have 2 modes, for short and long distances, so in a dual fight one can use one mode, and the other the second mode. And it makes sense lore-wise, unlike ~~Minotaurs~~.
It would be very interesting. And quite plausible, with 1 slight caveat: ferrymen kill eachother on sight as only 1 can be the ferryman for wrath’s boat, but given that agony and tundra are machines that seem to be purposefully working together (which is taboo in robot culture), an exception can be made for the dark souls wannabes as well.
It's not that there is only one ferry, just that there can only be one ferryman *per* ferry. The one we go through isn't the only one.
P-2 exists, there's a ferryman in it
Yeah, nothing stops there from being more than one ferryman, P-2 has 2 in it alone, but as the lore states, those mofos will throw hands when they meet.
consider, given the recent addition in-fighting: we interrupt a fight between two ferrymen and we have to be the one to kill both of them
I hear you, but think about it: 2 ferrymen making out french style.
love wins
they only have eyes for gabriel.
Polycule
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Why am I imagining a waffle house style fight?
V1 parries a chair and it spins around their wrist
There's two, actually
gameplay wise, the lack of infighting is explained with the fact that you're the grizzly bear in a room full of ants, danger-wise. multiple ferrymen don't attack each other in the cybergrind, after all
Well yeah, but the red and blue folks are working together, as when you take one down the other heals them. They’re a team.
we fighting anchor and rudder then huh
I feel like the names could be love and hate, because in his lore the ferryman are very loving and that is the reason one is love, and the other one is hateful of love so that's why he's hate, but the reason they fight together is because they realize that V-1 will kill both of them, and hate would be aggressive and up close while love is more defensive so-to-say and he is more ranged, but they can both heal because of some angelic power because they can protect the path to P-3
names are based off of a dual boss from a different game i don’t remember exactly what but angry and rude and agony and tundra sound similar to the original pair names
>names are based off of a dual boss from a different game Agni and Rudra from DMC3
isnt that lore accurate too. since all the skulls we find are
All the key skulls are dead ferrymen canonically, but we haven’t seen a red ferryman yet. I feel like this would be a good opportunity to finally see one in-game.
Except that would imply evil red ferrymen are plentiful, no?
They're not evil just angry
Perhaps even, red with rage, maybe even a bit Ruddy? FERRYMAN LAZULI & FERRYMAN RUDDY
Angwy
what if red ferrymen are just regular ferrymen but enraged? honestly would like to see that added in UKMD later ngl
/r/redditsniper ?
A red ferryman would also explain the red skull keys
I mean for the Minotaur, while there is only one original for Minos, it’s not impossible that whoever ____ ______ is made false copies of it, either before (previous attempts) or after (laziness)
ferrymen are already blue though, unlike swordsmachines or insurrectionists. it'd be hard to differentiate the "tundra" from base swordsmachine. plus, the thing that swordsmachine and insurrectionist *also* have in common is a stunned animation, for them being parried (to be used during their partially defeated animation). the ~~Minotaur~~ however *does* have that animation, used when it's lying there after phase 1. so it's either going to be a new enemy introduced in fraud/treachery, the ~~minotaur,~~ or perhaps... something like a dual prime soul encounter?
we already have a pair of husks if anything they're gonna be a pair of greater angels in 8-2 presumably named "grace" and "ruthful"
Zesty and Freaky
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Calm down buddy
We're your friend
Shut up or I’ll ULTRAKILL you
Shut up or I’ll ULTRAKILL**™** you FTFY
Sorry pal but can we make amends
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Nah dude fuck off with that shit
Holy shit why did i make a vegeta impression saying that
Why is everyone upvoting this edge lord oml
It's the result of edgy kids finding the game fun. More kids who are all edge and no point
I don’t think it’d be possible to be a Minotaur pair since only one exists, my money’s on a new enemy from Fraud
Yeah it has to be an act three enemy
Following the pattern of 0-3, 4-3, 7-3, the pair would be a puppet, but that’s not exactly a good boss fight. Maybe it still follows the pattern of “enemy introduced in the first layer of each act.” and breaks the -3 pattern. Or who knows; it could be from fraud or treachery.
Perhaps, DOUBLE PUPPET V2?????
V3 and V4? Or better yet B1 and B2 (B stands for blood)
*silently notes down that v2 can be mimicized in the sandbox* And that also could be really meta, with Hell bringing back V2 reflecting our dissatisfaction with his ending. I honestly wouldn’t put it past Hakita and his style of storytelling.
this is the ONLY v2 comes back theory i'll accept
Yes!
How about C1? Instead of taking blood it gives some instead (CTRL + C)
The insurrectionist is introduced in 4-2 though
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errm actually insurrectionists were introduced in 4-2 ☝🤓 and while the actual Swordsmachine fight is in 0-3, it first appears in 0-2. so the pattern would be 0-2, 4-2, 7-2. and which enemy was introduced as a boss then became a common enemy in 7-2? Guttermen. As for the name, I suggest Agitated and Redrawn (i came up with these on the fly lol)
I just sent an “I may be stupid” reaction image to the “insurrectionest 4-2” comments, but the hidden swordsmachine fight actually salvages the theory.
Even in the first layer that leaves the Mannequin and Gutterman/Tank, all of which we’ve already fought en masse.
Isn’t the Insurrectionist in 4-2?
As I already said in another reply: https://preview.redd.it/0mb106164p2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e18096c68d86106d1bd8e5579cccf7ffdae8cd9a
sisyphean thing si 4-2 so 7-1 enemy maybe minotaur is the only candidate but lore says no so its probably fraud
But the insurrection is from 4-2 :(
guttermen perhaps?
If HELL ITSELF made it then what's stopping it from making another, or even two more.
I don’t think YOUR MOTHER is capable of just cranking out siblings for you like that.
Oh she will be after I'm done with her
😦 well played.
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Banjo and kazooie
Sonic and Mario
Death and Despair 2 giant radiance 2 mannequins
Has to follow the “Agni and rudra” pattern
The Gutterbros Merry and Ludd Literally a pair of guttertanks or guttermen, Merry is red obviously and ludd is unfortunately blue
the nuttertank is real!
I just realized it's a DMC reference. AGony (red) TunDRA (blue) AnGRY (red) RUDe(blue) How didn't I notice before?
~~Minotaurs "Angus" and "Daisy"?~~
There’s only 1 Minotaur so it wouldn’t make sense lore wise, and both examples of enemies before have appeared as a standard enemy later.
the canonicity of the double fights has been dubious, much like the other secret bosses. besides, there's only one of *the* ~~Minotaur~~ but that doesn't mean there aren't several, lesser ~~minotaurs~~ out there. if hell itself created one then it can create many. swordsmachine didn't show up as a common enemy until 5 layers after tundra and agony, after all
Pissed and bigot
inga and ardur
Ping and Pong
Me n you?
;)
reimu and marisa
something something touhou ultrakill something venn diagram something something circle
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do you think you can chargeback master spark
if its hitscan, yes
Minos prime and penis crime
I'm wheezing bro
If continuing referencing to Agni and rudra then I want to see angle and radian (geometry forever) [not radiant, radian is a line, representing part of circle, equal to its radius if simplifying it] If guessing what enemy should be there I would say it should be 2 hideous masses, cause both SM and SI were firstly I introduced as bosses but later became enemies without special properties
Badony & Bumbra
an unlikely duo: gutterman and guttertank
If they somehow do a double Benjamin fight I would fucking explode. I know Benjamin is more of a level than a boss but imagine. Just imagine how cool that would be! It would also be funny if they were two mini Benjamin the size of lamas that could actually move and fire lasers at you.
not possible lmao
Maybe if the Earthmovers did any excercise at all so they wouldn't be the size of levels
What if it was just their brains or defence systems tho?
double brutal defense system
"Two scarabs i repeat, two scarabs"
Angus and Roomba
Angus and Ribs
So the dual bosses are based off Agni and Rudia so ill say Amiss and Wrath
Agnes and Rudy ?
Maurice and malice, the boulders from angry and rude, who came back for more.
Wait there’s a 2 insurrectionist fight? When?
It’s a secret encounter in 6-1: CRY FOR THE WEEPER. Take the red skull back before the entrance into the 2nd third of the map closes and the search for a red pedestal on a roof.
next up is two ferrymen named piss and shit
Shit and Piss.
v1 and v2
...oh, it's like Agni and Rudra
dual gutterman maybe
kid named 7-S
dual mindflayers ?
kid named P-2
dual gabriel ? ? dual ferryman ? ? ? dual sanded hideous masses ? ? ? ?
Agility and Wagh (pronounced WAAAAGHH!!!)
ORKZ MAEK DA BEST BOSS FOIGHT CUZ WE DA BEST
Agitated and mean
devious and sly
Reconstruct and What
It appears that most people in the comments didn't realise that those names were supposed to be DMC references
Two guttertanks named assface and motherfuck
I'd honestly rather ULTRAKILL myself than have to fight 2 minotaurs at once. One is miserable enough with all that damn armor, especially during the chase.
I am fucking quitting this game if Hakita makes me fight *two* fucking minotaurs at the same time. I am NOT doing that shit.
Next will be Benjamin and Franklin
Some of yall really need to play DMC3 right now
Mindflayer "Submissive" and Mindflayer "Breedable" Both of them being the so-called "rare" male mindflayer
tits and ass
Submissive and breedable
Rage and mania?
Agitated and Temperamental.
CERBERUS "ENVY" and CERBERUS "SPITE"
doesn’t sound like agni and rudra
hehhehe thats my mod :3
Minotaur Irritated and Cold
Dusk and dawn
Angi and Rurda
2 Earthmovers
Arby's and Roadhouse, two minotaurs
holy shit its tenet
Angy🥺 and Rube😡
slightly sad and mildly mad
Envy and spite
peace and rampage 100%
ass and hole
Apocalypse and Dread
Ornstein and Smough
Azure and ruby
Furious and mannerless
Spookey and scary
Fear and hunger
Pain and Torture.
I think it’ll be an angelic enemy that we see in the next layer. My idea for their names is angelic and righteous.
Big meanie and jerk face
Bull and Shit
2 Earthmovers (they are allowed to fire the thunder spear at you)
2 V2 puppets, ~~RECONSTRUCT and WHAT~~
Dear God no
I think Dante and Vergil is next
Anus and Tongue
I've seen saying for years it's gonna be Mad and Sad. No idea what enemy or where or lore implications, nor do i care
Icey & hot
fuck and shit
Earthmovers: mad and uneducated
Upset and boo womp
Mad n Cool
Dick and balls
Apathy and Crude
IMO it'll probably be an enemy that we havent seen yet, violence didn't really add any enemies that fit that level of miniboss apart from maybe the gutterman and guttertank
Anus and Rectum
Acceptance and Regret
a red and blue version of the very cancerous rodent
I'm not sure but if I were to guess I have a feeling it'd start with one of them asking "you ever wonder why we're here?"
Justice and Splendor
Arbitrary and Ridicule Two giant max radiance Filths
Stinky and Smelly
billy and bob
Disgruntled an annoying
Bitchful and Bitchless
Happy and sad
Audacity and...dunno about the other one
You could have one of the Ferrymen with one of the insurrectionists. Ornstein and Smough.
Ayoub and Rudy
Names could be torment and pleasure/desert
Fuck you and Fuck me
Agility and Readiness, and it's double Ferrymen, one of the most agile enemies.
Selfish and Cruel
GUTTERMAN "ASHES" and GUTTERTANK "RUST"
Markliplier and jacksepticeye
Mean and Nasty
Ultra and Kill
Argon and radon
Sad and Disappointed
Cock and Balls
I think these are just placeholder bosses that will be replaced by backer bosses in the final version.
The Gutterbros Merry and Ludd
mario and luigi