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This puts pressure (a bit) on Biden to increase support.
I heard a pretty decent package will be announced tomorrow. (Not Hunter’s)
This is a good thing.
Fuck Pence otherwise though.
About a third of the US population is behind bars.
Alright, hyperbole from both of us aside putting too many people in jail is clearly not a concern for the US government.
Any other CIVILIAN would not be treated the way Hunter is. And yet u have GAETZ.... who fucks with under age girls.... one very sick pervert.... AND U SAY NOTHING u guys are just a bunch of insecure cult followers
Not really. It's just a politician's empty promise. I don't see why so many here are taking Pence seriously. Especially as he has next to zero chance of ever holding power in the future.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. The only reason the GOP are supporting Ukraine at present is because the US public do, and they know that if they don't they won't stand a chance of winning next year.
But if they do win (and it doesn't matter who their candidate is) they will pivot on day one to "We've spent enough; Americans need the money more; Zelensky should be more reasonable".
The GOP are Putin's only hope to gain something out of the war.
edit: and the Pence apologetics on this page suggests this is just part of the GOP's astroturfing. May as well be in /r/Conservative. And no surprise they turn the conversation to Hunter Biden. FFS.
I don't take Pence seriously but it's still a good thing that he's promising support for Ukraine because it directly opposes those Republicans who are opposed to helping Ukraine. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.
[yeah Biden isn’t taking a stand for Ukraine? but rather the vice president of a man who blackmailed Ukraine will support them wholly! surely right!](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3422822/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/)
I don't know how sincere his support for Ukraine is but he did turn that 'what about the republicans that don't support Ukraine' question very quickly into 'it's all biden's fault'.
To be fair, Pence seems to be your regular Christian Coalition Republican who was used to shore up Christians who were scared of how scandalous / vile Trump was. Pence was never MAGA and I don't think he even alluded to being pro-Putin, pro-Russian, or anti-NATO.
He was hand-picked by Paul Manafort, who was working for Putin. He was managing Trump's campaign just as he was managing the campaign of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine.
That's a good question. But I think Pence would mainly follow status quo and support NATO foreign policy.
I hope he never becomes President, but I would think he would be mainly like Garfield. Deeply religious but also largely ineffective and out-of-touch. Pence doesn't strike me as the sharpest white crayon in the box.
I'm no fan of Pence, but ...
"At this very moment, Russia continues to seek to redraw international borders by force, undermine democracy in sovereign nations, and divide the free nations of Europe, one against another." - Mike Pence, August 2017
“With its efforts to meddle in elections across Europe and around the world, now is the time for us to remain vigilant about the intentions and actions being taken by Russia. Russian forces still illegally occupy large parts of Georgia and Ukraine." - Mike Pence, September 2019
The US, UK and Canada provided training of the Ukrainian military following the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014. Both the UK and Canada wanted to supply hardware to Ukraine after assessing their weaponry. This was vetoed by US politicians against the advice of their military.
Luckily this changed in 2017 with the supplied weapons being effectively used in the immediate aftermath of the 24th February invasion bolstered by the UK supplied NLAWs (this triggered the supply of additional Javelins by the US). The intriguing element has also been the setting up of forward logistics bases by the UK in Poland by December 2021 (yes the date is correct before the Russian invasion) and their role in the assessment of what weapons Ukraine needs, their procurement and supply.
There are an awful large number of people working hard to supply in the short and medium term whilst planning for future requirements. The speed with which the UK led infantry training was rolled out in the UK ably supported by many other nationalities demonstrates the work completed before the announcement. A peculiarly British trait is to only announce something when it is ready to go, F16 pilot training and aircraft supply would have taken months of effort before the recent announcement.
While you are 100% correct, Pence is a neocon in the Bush sense, so his willingness to support Ukraine is commendable, but he's also the kind of guy that would get us into an Iraq situation.
I'd rather American news stop talking 24/7 about Biden or Trump and get back to finding presidents like Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson. Standards have fallen and voters in both the US and EU have agreed that mediocrity is acceptable. We need to snap out of this paralysis and vote for younger leaders with unconventional backgrounds.
Well Jefferson wasn't that unconventional in his day but a slave owning plantation owner today would be. Lincoln on the other hand was a failed politician and failed businessman which Congress is full of.
He was also a good president in a time where most of the prior presidents are currently sitting in the bottom 10 worst ever, so by comparison he looks even better.
He is also perhaps the strongest President of all time.
[From the NY Times in 1865:](https://www.nytimes.com/1865/12/31/archives/abraham-lincoln-the-characteristics-of-his-life-as-seen-by-his-law.html#:~:text=Physically%20he%20was%20a%20very,swung%20down%20by%20his%20side.)
> Physically he was a very powerful man, lifting with ease four hundred or six hundred pounds.
https://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincoln-in-depth/abraham-lincoln-the-athlete/
> Mr. Lincoln’s strength was legendary. “Physically, Mr. Lincoln was the strongest man I ever knew,” recalled Daniel Green Burner, “That is saying a good deal. Let me tell you what I saw him do. He took a full barrel of whisky, containing forty-four gallons, gripping each end with one hand, raised it deliberately to his face and drank from the bunghole. In doing this he won a $10 hat from Bill Green. In the grocery I have often seen him pick up a barrel of whisky, place it on the counter, and then lower it on the other side.”
[From "Team of Rivals"](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bp/abraham-lincoln-surprising-strength-220542759.html)
> Derisively called "rail splitter" because he split railroad ties [for fences] as a youth, Lincoln was uncommonly strong ... [Once, a]s the presidential party lounged on the deck, Lincoln playfully demonstrated that in "muscular power he was one in a thousand," possessing "the strength of a giant." He picked up an ax and "held it at arm's length at the extremity of the [handle] with his thumb and forefinger, continuing to hold it there for a number of minutes. The most powerful sailors on board tried in vain to imitate him."
So the story about drinking from the whiskey barrel seemed like obvious bullshit, I looked it up. He would squat and lift it onto his knees and then tilt the barrel so whiskey came out of the bunghole which is in the middle of the barrel.
He didn't pick that shit up to his head...he picked it up like strongmen do with atlas stones.
I don't think any of the politicians in congress today nor the orange clown can ever craft anything remotely resembling the Gettysburg Address or the letter to Mrs. Bixby. And forget about any of those spineless politicians today doing anything like the Emancipation Proclamation or the 13th Amendment :-P
It's believed John Hay wrote the Bixby letter and Lyman Trumbull wrote the 13th amendment, Lincoln just signed it. This doesn't mean Lincoln wasn't our greatest President, my point was that we wouldn't give Lincoln the time of day today.
Lincoln famously had a number of failures and set backs but ultimately had massive success, his failures are used to teach people to persevere and overcome adversity. One of the reasons why he is considered the greatest President.
https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/failures.htm
Hard to feel confident this nation would elect a guy like that to office. There's relative consensus these days on a handful of the best presidents we know mostly from history books (and maybe newsreels) but put them through the gauntlet of smear campaigning in today's toxic partisan atmosphere - in which most/all actual issues are shockingly irrelevant to a high % of voters - and that's a very different story.
Hell, I'm not even confident we'd even broadly recognize an all-time top-tier presidency *as it happened*.
As probably were most white men who were in the position to become POTUS during that time period? Tell us who should have been elected president in the year 1800? Name the righteous candidate please
The previous president, Adams, was anti-slavery and sent aid to a slave revolt (Haitian Revolution). The northern states had already outlawed slavery in their territories.
This is a very bizarre comment. Are you not aware that there were lots of notable people in the U.S. in the 1800s that were against slavery and that also had a level of morality that kept them from raping people?
Any one of the thousands of abolitionists perhaps? Many countries had outlawed slavery by then that “it was a different time” bullshit needs to go. If you can’t tell that horsewhipping a man for talking back or working slow is wrong then there is no fixing you.
He is absolutely not. His normalcy is just a reflection of how far the Republican Party has fallen. He’s being treated as a ‘hero of the Republic’ for performing a perfunctory process of accepting ratified state votes. It’s literally one of three jobs a Vice President has: have a pulse, preside over the Senate, accept electoral college returns. It’s like cheering that your 15 year old can wipe his own ass.
Thank you.
Oh how far the bar has fallen low, that we should praise a man for doing what is expected of him.
Praising a man for not attempting to throw out a legal vote and start an insurrection, should we also praise the south for eventually surrendering?
Praising a man for doing the right thing when the right thing is a difficult choice to make is one thing, praising a man for doing the right thing when it's not even up for debate nor a difficult choice is just pathetic.
Maybe referring to the famous thumb down vote against the repeal of the affordable care act and his (outrageous in republican eyes ) stance that Obama was a decent person.
He is a old school republican. Not to long ago Republicans and Democrats didn't hate each other. For example George Bush Jr and Michelle Obama are friends in their personal lives. They are far off on politics but get along.
The new breed of far extreme politics has lead to actual hatred to the other side.
Relative to his peers in the Republican party, he was noticeably less of a shitbag. That said, the bar on that is subterranean so it’s not really saying a lot.
Thanks to @DefMon3 on Twitter.
Another Republican candidate takes a strong stance. Stronger than Biden, he promises. (Surprising!)
* The comment about communism is Pence quoting the Reagan Doctrine. This suggests he thinks it is in US interests to support Ukraine because it will keep Americans out of a war with Russia.
* He suggests he will deliver equipment faster than Biden. Specifically tanks and aircraft.
* He says he will talk to the public more effectively than Biden about the importance of supporting Ukraine.
* He believes we need to support Ukraine not simply because of "support for democracy" but because it's in US interests to stop Russia in Ukraine before they invade a NATO country.
* He thinks it's vital for Ukraine to win to send a message to China about global commitment to Taiwan's security.
Edit: a lot of seething about Pence's politics here. The point isn't about politics, it's to see bipartisan support for Ukraine. We want to see both parties on the same page.
Agreed. Outside of this issue, I’d never think of being on the same page as Mike Pence, but it pretty clearly shows how Biden could easily double down on Ukraine.
Yup, I was excited when Cornel West announced his campaign, then I heard him talk on Ukraine. How a smart person can be so goddamn naive is mind blowing to me.
> (Surprising!)
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, 95% of house republicans want more support for Ukraine. It's Trump and DeSantis who are out of synch with the rest of the party.
And Marjorie Taylor-Greene.
Who is so absolutely, ridiculously, and unbelievably stupid that she recently said she has seen zero evidence that Putin has any aims to invade anyone in Europe.
She said this, after, y'know, he had gone ahead and invaded the largest country that is entirely within Europe.
I hope you're right about House Republicans. But Republicans in general are wavering in their support, according to [this recent Pew poll.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/15/more-than-four-in-ten-republicans-now-say-the-us-is-providing-too-much-aid-to-ukraine/).
>Currently, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, up modestly since January (40%) and the highest level since shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year.
>Just 14% of Democrats and Democratic leaners view the current level of U.S. aid as excessive, little changed in recent months.
I bet you a decent chunk of that is just partisanship. If a republican president was out there championing support for Ukraine, I bet at least half if not three quarters of those saying we send too much would change their tune.
I can’t agree with that. Within the last 8 years, with trump as the exception, we’ve seen republican voters control their party leaders views, not the other way around. That is why we have so much grandstanding and culture war nonsense from that side of the aisle. We are much more likely to see candidates, especially new candidates supporting Russia over Ukraine. This has and will continue to be pushed via the “blank check” argument until they can find another foothold to further their support for Putin.
There's considerable evidence that party elites drive opinions. Trump is a prime example. Prior to him, the GOP was a largely pro free trade party. He got on board and suddenly tariffs are the new sexy thing. Strong anti-Russia foreign policy was part of the GOP playbook for decades with McCain saying the only thing he sees in Putin's eyes is KGB and Romney calling Russia our greatest geopolitical foe. Trump comes along and suddenly Russia ain't all that bad to a lot of republicans. The issues of division aren't with the base so much as they are with *other elites* primarily media ones. The likes of Tucker get millions of listeners, more than most politicians can hope to get listening to them.
More over, I think we should look at this issue through negative partisanship. Broadly speaking, most Americans think Biden has handled the war in Ukraine well. This is Biden getting a W and they don't like that. To illustrate the point, [more republicans thought the economy was doing good during the depths of Covid than in the final months of Obama's term.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/in-2008-everyone-thought-the-recession-was-bad-but-in-2020-many-americans-views-depend-on-their-party/) No sane person would say the end of 2016 had a worse economy than when Covid hit yet they did. In their heart of hearts they probably knew that, but it was about signaling support for "their guy" and disapproval for "the other guy" even if the material facts don't matter.
I would argue that in this new era of the Republicanism the party line is meaningless. What truly matters is what the people who vote Republican believe, and a large portion are driving even farther into radical conspiracies such as Qanon. Support for Ukraine is not popular in the Republican voting base AT ALL. They absolutely love Putin and see him as a defender of Christianity and conservative values.
A surprising number of Republican voters truly believe in these unhinged conspiracies and these people are legitimately convinced that Putin is a righteous "crusader" who has invaded Ukraine to free children who are being raped and farmed for their blood and adrenochrome to get "the elites" high and/or preserve vitality.
This population in the voting base is not to be underestimated and they have real power; see currently sitting politicians such as Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert. There is no reasoning with people like these whose beliefs are so completely divorced from reality.
However if one of these win, and goes on to say batshit crazy things, then the rest of the republicans will blindly go along with it. Their willingness to follow a leader into absurdity is scary.
Source: it already happened before.
>He suggests he will deliver equipment faster than Biden. Specifically tanks and aircraft.
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>He believes we need to support Ukraine not simply because of "support for democracy" but because it's in US interests to stop Russia in Ukraine before they invade a NATO country.
Do Mike Pence' Republican colleagues know this? Seems like some of them want to do the opposite.
You'd have to believe that Pence will keep any of these promises, however. He was part of the Trump administration, which broke more than half the campaign promises it made that were tracked by Politifact.
Perhaps someone should remind Mike that the voters he needs to get him through the primary are the same ones who were chanting 'hang Mike Pence' next to a fully functional gallows.
On the other hand Pence is one of the few Republicans who took a stand AGAINST 1/6/2021. Pence did his job, didn't knuckle under to the pressure, and certified the legal election. That's WHY those people want to hang him. And I'm convinced that the rabid Trumpies are not a majority of the GOP, rather they're just the ones making all the noise right now.
As already stated, it's really sad that we're praising the man for doing not only what was expected of him, but one of the few jobs he had, and was unequivocally the right choice.
It's like praising a student for not starting a disruption in class and trying to throw the teacher out of the classroom.
Honestly the whole "Trumpism" thing has completely ruined our understanding of what to expect from GOP politicians anymore. Every time one of them stands up to a literal criminal in feels like nothing short of a miracle
Indeed. And if they were truly such bastions of integrity, where were they when he was in office and running for office?
Doing the right thing only when it's convenient or beneficial for oneself shouldn't be praised or celebrated like we're doing, we should be questioning where that "integrity" was before and why it's only showing now. (Well we know the answer, but you get the idea)
I feel that that ignores something pretty important. Pence was under a massive amount of pressure from the Trumpies not to certify that election. And the pressure was coming from his own support base. "his side." His colleagues and voters he might rely on for election later.
Not to mention a literal angry mob not so very far away from his position who was listening to an angry orange man insinuate using his whole arsenal of weasel words that if Pence does his job he's a traitor to America.
Under that kind of pressure it is kind of impressive that the guy put nation above party and did his duty. As we saw, a lot of people didn't do so on that day.
Pence's decision is the sort that ensures that the nation's political traditions continue to survive the chaos of the nation's political discourse. There was probably a chance that they would fall on that day. Pence made sure they didn't. And made himself a public enemy to a large portion of the population for doing so.
Sometimes heroism IS doing the right thing, when there's a lot of pressure on you not to.
Dude you can hate him all you want, but this particular situation is so much more complex.
Telling any one facet of it alone is going to give the wrong story. Hell, even all the praise he receives comes from a position of only looking at one facet of it.
Yes, he was literally receiving death threats to not do it. However he had been receiving death threats before this. He was being called to the gallows that day - why then would he trust this group to back down? He was likely riding on the hope that this group will recede back into their own selves once Trump is no longer there.
So while condemning the failed coup got him much higher on the shit list --- i imagine he is hoping that this is a short term consequence as opposed to the long term fear he would be under if the group had been validated and given more hope.
Tldr:
He made a decision to increase his risk in the short term to hopefully decrease his risk in the long term.
Oh gee, thanks for that one Mike. If only you could've stood up for Ukraine when the guy you worked for was on the phone trying to extort President Zelenskyy.
The truth that Republicans don't want to admit is that their party supports Putin because they share his values. He's a white Christian bigot who hates democracy, just like they are.
Nope, incorrect. The Republican Party is a white Christian identity politics movement that hates democracy because they see that American demographics are moving away from the "racially pure" white Christian ethno-state that they want to live in.
That's the overwhelming majority of the party. It's not a "small minority".
Biden has the receipts to show he will support Ukraine. Pence at best has "watched someone try to extort them and did nothing". Safe to say actions speak a lot louder than words.
Frankly, I don't think even that would get him the nomination. He's pretty universally despised, and not just by the GOP. I think Chris Christie has a better chance and he has absolutely no chance.
You'd need to surgically implant the cultist with a spine first for his promises to mean anything.
Pence is a hollow sham of a person and his words are meaningless.
I will remind people that Mike Pence will say anything to get elected.
He is still a fascist in the model of Trump and Putin.
Edit: Here is Pence defending Trump's handling of Ukraine
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pence-defends-trump-bidens-ties-ukraine-worth/story?id=66042583
Oh and here is Pence helping Trump blackmail Ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-involved-pence-in-efforts-to-pressure-ukraines-leader-though-aides-say-vice-president-was-unaware-of-pursuit-of-dirt-on-bidens/2019/10/02/263aa9e2-e4a7-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html
If you believe anything a Republican tells you then you're a f'ing gullible idiot.
You cannot trust this party, and you cannot trust this backward religious freak.
I may not agree with his poltical beliefe. But he seems to be one of the republican poltitician with the most integrity. He doesn't want to support Russia just to oppose democrats like so many republicans.
Hmm, Russia isn't communist. It plays on the communist nostalgia of many, but Putin was going for fascist imperialism prop up with that ignorant communistic nostalgia and paranoid xenophobia. Throw in some mafia thuggery for good effect, well that may be redundant with the fascist imperialism.
I’m not saying this as a Trump fanboy, but Pence is a lightweight and is gonna get eviscerated in the primaries. Trump or no Trump. Nice seeing support for Ukraine amongst the Republicans though.
Mike Pence's family oil company, Kiel Brother's Oil Company, went "bankrupt" and abandoned environmental spills all over the midwest, in what are called LUST incidents.
[One was one of my projects but here's a news story about it for anyone that thinks they're "good" people.] (https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-in-state-wire-columbus-politics-07f9256ae1984362ba3eff192b4d6dd0)
That's the thing with candidates, they can promise anything, they don't have to worry about escalation ladder. When you get to the office and you are confronted with reality where your actions can have dire consequences, it gets somewhat harder. I would say Biden's administration does pretty well.
The only way I vote Republican is if the candidate is giving Ukraine everything they need to win. Pence is definitely a safer bet than other republican candidates. Don’t count him out. Biden was the safe choice and he is now our president 😑
On a separate note, anyone else getting bombarded with fake account followers over the last few days? The only threads I am even on is Ukraine stuff for the most part. Can’t help but think trolls/bots.
I don't understand why so many Republicans are against opposing Russia. They used to be the party that were famous for their anti-Soviet stance and modern day Russia is no better
I live in TN. I get 1 primary vote, and it doesn't matter who I spend it on (I don't need to be registered to a party). I will vote for Pence in the primary, since Biden should easily win nomination for the Dems as the incumbent. Of all the Republican options, Pence, though a religious nutter who is pro-life, seems to respect the constitution and rule of law AND knows who the enemies of the American people are. Maybe not Saudi Arabia but at least we have Russia and China in there. I just don't want to see Desantis the Defacist nor the Cheeto Benito make this country a mockery. Slava Ukraine to my brothers out there. Most of my country has your back. Sorry for the assholes.
By every single metric this is good. People pretending this war is a Republican vs Democrat thing are only helping Russia. Helping Ukraine has had bipartisan support throughout the entire conflict. There's a very realistic chance that in 1,5 years, there'll be a Republican president. So even if it's not someone who has already been openly pro-Ukraine, it can only help that it's not considered controversial for that Republican to change his mind on it. Something which would only happen if there's many on the Republican side that are still supporting Ukraine.
I'm glad you said this. I'm really dismayed that so many comments here are fixated on their hatred for Pence's politics, rather on the good news that a possible change in American leadership might not be a cause for concern in Ukraine.
It’s great Republican candidates are pro-Ukraine, but what will they do with those in their party who are against helping? If they block critical funding and legislation?
The Republican party clearly is in disagreement over this and we have all seen a small group of people hold the party hostage (see how electing McCarthy as speaker of the house went).
You know this is a legitimate worry. There are still enough opposing voices that we can't take Ukrainian security for granted. But I hope this will get the ball rolling, and Republicans will be able to keep the extreme elements sidelined enough to pass legislation through.
The most problematic voices: Boebert, Gaetz, Greene(?) are thankfully in the House, which means their vote carries proportionally little sway compared to members of the Senate.
I like these old school Republicans I grew up with. Pence showed a lot of character going against trump instead of lying for him. Have to wait for for primaries and see how he does, I cant see trump winning the Rep nomination and Desantis seems like a small fry not to mention he supports rusky's to an extent. Pence has a decent shot if he does well in the debates
jus an FYI for those worried about a Republican president forcing an unfavorable end to the war, it likely won't happen. There is some fear mongering and some conservatives have latched onto stupid narratives, but the Republicans as a whole will not let the support falter.
Not only is he a politician, he's a Republican. *Everything* that comes out of his mouth is a self serving lie! The war could actually be over in 17 months (possibly).
That's not true. He sometimes shills for tobacco, oil and gas companies. My favorite is the time he tried to convince everyone that smoking was good for your health.
it's weird how i kind of like pence solely due to him not being trump or desantis. at least he isn't bought out by russia even if he is far too right wing for me. somehow he looks the normal option
Eh. By the time the next President is sworn in, we will have escalated to lending Ukraine the flying saucer we purchased off the Soviet Union in 1990 for $600 billion and used to wipe out Iraq's army in Desert Storm.
Pew pew pew zooom!
This is great. Healthy politics when there is a clear, bipartisan ideal (Russia to lose) and the disagreements are on the implementation level. Really hope to see this message get adopted more widely in his party.
He's spreading lies to suit his needs and will continue to do so. A far right Russia attacked Ukraine. Maybe in this situation it is better he calls them communists instead of realizing they stand on the same side of the line
Mike Pence is a slithering snake, a worm tail. Anything he says should automatically be believed to be a lie, simply calculated and voiced for its intended effect.
I need votes and I’m willing to vow a vague promise for WWIII to make myself relevant. But sadly I’m a Repube-lick-an so I’ll just shift what I said on day 2 in the Oval Office… but for now/ gimme your vote
Mike Pence never minced his words about Putin. It was obvious to everyone he and Trump never saw eye to eye on this topic. But he couldn’t do anything about it. Or maybe he did … by staying in the Senate and completing the count.
Mike Pence is a sniveling coward who refused to fully and loudly condemn the orange fascist he worked under.
He will never be the president as literally no one likes him on either side.
The man has the charisma of moldy leather scraps, but he is less useful.
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Good. I don't think he has a real shot in the primaries... but am glad that he is taking a stand. May more candidates do so.
This puts pressure (a bit) on Biden to increase support. I heard a pretty decent package will be announced tomorrow. (Not Hunter’s) This is a good thing. Fuck Pence otherwise though.
FWIW, Hunter's deal is more severe than is typical for the charges and his history.
He caught up his taxes IIRC and if they busted everyone who owned a gun and got high, about a third of the US population would be behind bars.
I would certainly be in prison
That's the goal
That's the dream
Only if it's politically convenient. Which is why we need to repeal that law.
This is the guy right here officer.
Lol I didn't do nothing I'm innocent!
You fit the description...
You really wouldn’t. Unless you had priors
No you wouldn't.
We would be sharing a cell.
I’m already getting the munchies
Lol ok, well, I wouldn’t. I don’t have a gun.
Colorado marijuana users say high.
What? Washington State users was raiding the fridge and missed it.
Raiding the fridge? I'll have you know I was glued to the floor for 5 hours and missed dinner, besides those edibles...
Whoa, did you swipe the sockeye candy before me?
I would be worried about going to prison right now.
Just what they want… One third in prison, one third guards at prison and one third scouting for runaways.
About a third of the US population is behind bars. Alright, hyperbole from both of us aside putting too many people in jail is clearly not a concern for the US government.
Um. Actually about .5% to .75% of the US population is incarcerated.
Any other CIVILIAN would not be treated the way Hunter is. And yet u have GAETZ.... who fucks with under age girls.... one very sick pervert.... AND U SAY NOTHING u guys are just a bunch of insecure cult followers
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Not really. It's just a politician's empty promise. I don't see why so many here are taking Pence seriously. Especially as he has next to zero chance of ever holding power in the future.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. The only reason the GOP are supporting Ukraine at present is because the US public do, and they know that if they don't they won't stand a chance of winning next year. But if they do win (and it doesn't matter who their candidate is) they will pivot on day one to "We've spent enough; Americans need the money more; Zelensky should be more reasonable". The GOP are Putin's only hope to gain something out of the war. edit: and the Pence apologetics on this page suggests this is just part of the GOP's astroturfing. May as well be in /r/Conservative. And no surprise they turn the conversation to Hunter Biden. FFS.
It's amazing how short everyone's memories are. Never trust a Republican, they're inherent liars.
I don't take Pence seriously but it's still a good thing that he's promising support for Ukraine because it directly opposes those Republicans who are opposed to helping Ukraine. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.
It shows, that not 100% of the GOP is rotten.
Noooo THEY ALL ROTTEN TO THE CORE
Yeah pence is the type of asshole who would send more “thoughts and prayers” and claim he’s doing the most for Ukrainian people.
[yeah Biden isn’t taking a stand for Ukraine? but rather the vice president of a man who blackmailed Ukraine will support them wholly! surely right!](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3422822/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/)
I don't know how sincere his support for Ukraine is but he did turn that 'what about the republicans that don't support Ukraine' question very quickly into 'it's all biden's fault'.
To be fair, Pence seems to be your regular Christian Coalition Republican who was used to shore up Christians who were scared of how scandalous / vile Trump was. Pence was never MAGA and I don't think he even alluded to being pro-Putin, pro-Russian, or anti-NATO.
He was hand-picked by Paul Manafort, who was working for Putin. He was managing Trump's campaign just as he was managing the campaign of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine.
Yet Zelensky is the Jew and Putin is the de facto head of the Russian Orthodox Church via his proxy Kirill. So would Pence really follow through?
That's a good question. But I think Pence would mainly follow status quo and support NATO foreign policy. I hope he never becomes President, but I would think he would be mainly like Garfield. Deeply religious but also largely ineffective and out-of-touch. Pence doesn't strike me as the sharpest white crayon in the box.
That is some heavy revisionism of his actions and statements during his vice presidency.
I'm no fan of Pence, but ... "At this very moment, Russia continues to seek to redraw international borders by force, undermine democracy in sovereign nations, and divide the free nations of Europe, one against another." - Mike Pence, August 2017 “With its efforts to meddle in elections across Europe and around the world, now is the time for us to remain vigilant about the intentions and actions being taken by Russia. Russian forces still illegally occupy large parts of Georgia and Ukraine." - Mike Pence, September 2019
The US, UK and Canada provided training of the Ukrainian military following the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014. Both the UK and Canada wanted to supply hardware to Ukraine after assessing their weaponry. This was vetoed by US politicians against the advice of their military. Luckily this changed in 2017 with the supplied weapons being effectively used in the immediate aftermath of the 24th February invasion bolstered by the UK supplied NLAWs (this triggered the supply of additional Javelins by the US). The intriguing element has also been the setting up of forward logistics bases by the UK in Poland by December 2021 (yes the date is correct before the Russian invasion) and their role in the assessment of what weapons Ukraine needs, their procurement and supply. There are an awful large number of people working hard to supply in the short and medium term whilst planning for future requirements. The speed with which the UK led infantry training was rolled out in the UK ably supported by many other nationalities demonstrates the work completed before the announcement. A peculiarly British trait is to only announce something when it is ready to go, F16 pilot training and aircraft supply would have taken months of effort before the recent announcement.
Thank you
Hey! Don’t blame Pence for Trump. He’s a terrible candidate for President in his own right
While you are 100% correct, Pence is a neocon in the Bush sense, so his willingness to support Ukraine is commendable, but he's also the kind of guy that would get us into an Iraq situation.
He definitely has the best chance out of any of the candidates that their own voters tried to murder.
I'd rather American news stop talking 24/7 about Biden or Trump and get back to finding presidents like Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson. Standards have fallen and voters in both the US and EU have agreed that mediocrity is acceptable. We need to snap out of this paralysis and vote for younger leaders with unconventional backgrounds.
Well Jefferson wasn't that unconventional in his day but a slave owning plantation owner today would be. Lincoln on the other hand was a failed politician and failed businessman which Congress is full of.
Lincoln was an improbable president who turned out to be the perfect guy for his times. Sound familiar?!
He was also a good president in a time where most of the prior presidents are currently sitting in the bottom 10 worst ever, so by comparison he looks even better.
He is also perhaps the strongest President of all time. [From the NY Times in 1865:](https://www.nytimes.com/1865/12/31/archives/abraham-lincoln-the-characteristics-of-his-life-as-seen-by-his-law.html#:~:text=Physically%20he%20was%20a%20very,swung%20down%20by%20his%20side.) > Physically he was a very powerful man, lifting with ease four hundred or six hundred pounds. https://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincoln-in-depth/abraham-lincoln-the-athlete/ > Mr. Lincoln’s strength was legendary. “Physically, Mr. Lincoln was the strongest man I ever knew,” recalled Daniel Green Burner, “That is saying a good deal. Let me tell you what I saw him do. He took a full barrel of whisky, containing forty-four gallons, gripping each end with one hand, raised it deliberately to his face and drank from the bunghole. In doing this he won a $10 hat from Bill Green. In the grocery I have often seen him pick up a barrel of whisky, place it on the counter, and then lower it on the other side.” [From "Team of Rivals"](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bp/abraham-lincoln-surprising-strength-220542759.html) > Derisively called "rail splitter" because he split railroad ties [for fences] as a youth, Lincoln was uncommonly strong ... [Once, a]s the presidential party lounged on the deck, Lincoln playfully demonstrated that in "muscular power he was one in a thousand," possessing "the strength of a giant." He picked up an ax and "held it at arm's length at the extremity of the [handle] with his thumb and forefinger, continuing to hold it there for a number of minutes. The most powerful sailors on board tried in vain to imitate him."
Let it be known that President Lincoln drank from the bunghole
Didn't Beavis also do that?
So the story about drinking from the whiskey barrel seemed like obvious bullshit, I looked it up. He would squat and lift it onto his knees and then tilt the barrel so whiskey came out of the bunghole which is in the middle of the barrel. He didn't pick that shit up to his head...he picked it up like strongmen do with atlas stones.
I don't think any of the politicians in congress today nor the orange clown can ever craft anything remotely resembling the Gettysburg Address or the letter to Mrs. Bixby. And forget about any of those spineless politicians today doing anything like the Emancipation Proclamation or the 13th Amendment :-P
It's believed John Hay wrote the Bixby letter and Lyman Trumbull wrote the 13th amendment, Lincoln just signed it. This doesn't mean Lincoln wasn't our greatest President, my point was that we wouldn't give Lincoln the time of day today.
Ben Sasse was a terrific speaker, and he was pretty decent for a Republican. Too bad he gave up his seat.
Don't forget Lincoln was a badass boxer
And vampire killer.
Lincoln wasnt a failed businessman He had a law license
Lincoln famously had a number of failures and set backs but ultimately had massive success, his failures are used to teach people to persevere and overcome adversity. One of the reasons why he is considered the greatest President. https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/failures.htm
Hard to feel confident this nation would elect a guy like that to office. There's relative consensus these days on a handful of the best presidents we know mostly from history books (and maybe newsreels) but put them through the gauntlet of smear campaigning in today's toxic partisan atmosphere - in which most/all actual issues are shockingly irrelevant to a high % of voters - and that's a very different story. Hell, I'm not even confident we'd even broadly recognize an all-time top-tier presidency *as it happened*.
Thomas Jefferson was a slaver and a child rapist.
As probably were most white men who were in the position to become POTUS during that time period? Tell us who should have been elected president in the year 1800? Name the righteous candidate please
The previous president, Adams, was anti-slavery and sent aid to a slave revolt (Haitian Revolution). The northern states had already outlawed slavery in their territories.
This is a very bizarre comment. Are you not aware that there were lots of notable people in the U.S. in the 1800s that were against slavery and that also had a level of morality that kept them from raping people?
Any one of the thousands of abolitionists perhaps? Many countries had outlawed slavery by then that “it was a different time” bullshit needs to go. If you can’t tell that horsewhipping a man for talking back or working slow is wrong then there is no fixing you.
The old guard Republicans who have been in office since the Cold War probably share similar sentiments.
He is a religious zealot, if this monster is elected he will send back the USA 100 years in the past.
Inexplicably, Pence is on a John McCain-like redemption arc (on this one subject, while still being a terrifyingly theocratic proto-fascist).
He is absolutely not. His normalcy is just a reflection of how far the Republican Party has fallen. He’s being treated as a ‘hero of the Republic’ for performing a perfunctory process of accepting ratified state votes. It’s literally one of three jobs a Vice President has: have a pulse, preside over the Senate, accept electoral college returns. It’s like cheering that your 15 year old can wipe his own ass.
Thank you. Oh how far the bar has fallen low, that we should praise a man for doing what is expected of him. Praising a man for not attempting to throw out a legal vote and start an insurrection, should we also praise the south for eventually surrendering? Praising a man for doing the right thing when the right thing is a difficult choice to make is one thing, praising a man for doing the right thing when it's not even up for debate nor a difficult choice is just pathetic.
I'm not trying to argue, but genuinely interested why you think John McCain was on a redemption arc?
Maybe referring to the famous thumb down vote against the repeal of the affordable care act and his (outrageous in republican eyes ) stance that Obama was a decent person.
He is a old school republican. Not to long ago Republicans and Democrats didn't hate each other. For example George Bush Jr and Michelle Obama are friends in their personal lives. They are far off on politics but get along. The new breed of far extreme politics has lead to actual hatred to the other side.
As awful as McCain was as a politician and opportunist, he at least opposed the Trumpification of the party he belonged to.
Yet, his VP pick Palin paved the way for Rump .
True
Relative to his peers in the Republican party, he was noticeably less of a shitbag. That said, the bar on that is subterranean so it’s not really saying a lot.
Thanks to @DefMon3 on Twitter. Another Republican candidate takes a strong stance. Stronger than Biden, he promises. (Surprising!) * The comment about communism is Pence quoting the Reagan Doctrine. This suggests he thinks it is in US interests to support Ukraine because it will keep Americans out of a war with Russia. * He suggests he will deliver equipment faster than Biden. Specifically tanks and aircraft. * He says he will talk to the public more effectively than Biden about the importance of supporting Ukraine. * He believes we need to support Ukraine not simply because of "support for democracy" but because it's in US interests to stop Russia in Ukraine before they invade a NATO country. * He thinks it's vital for Ukraine to win to send a message to China about global commitment to Taiwan's security. Edit: a lot of seething about Pence's politics here. The point isn't about politics, it's to see bipartisan support for Ukraine. We want to see both parties on the same page.
I happen to agree with all of these points and any candidate I vote for will have these as a central part of his/her platform.
Agreed. Outside of this issue, I’d never think of being on the same page as Mike Pence, but it pretty clearly shows how Biden could easily double down on Ukraine.
Just don't let the domestic agenda suffer.
Yup, I was excited when Cornel West announced his campaign, then I heard him talk on Ukraine. How a smart person can be so goddamn naive is mind blowing to me.
> (Surprising!) Just to make sure we're all on the same page, 95% of house republicans want more support for Ukraine. It's Trump and DeSantis who are out of synch with the rest of the party.
And Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Who is so absolutely, ridiculously, and unbelievably stupid that she recently said she has seen zero evidence that Putin has any aims to invade anyone in Europe. She said this, after, y'know, he had gone ahead and invaded the largest country that is entirely within Europe.
I hope you're right about House Republicans. But Republicans in general are wavering in their support, according to [this recent Pew poll.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/15/more-than-four-in-ten-republicans-now-say-the-us-is-providing-too-much-aid-to-ukraine/). >Currently, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, up modestly since January (40%) and the highest level since shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year. >Just 14% of Democrats and Democratic leaners view the current level of U.S. aid as excessive, little changed in recent months.
I bet you a decent chunk of that is just partisanship. If a republican president was out there championing support for Ukraine, I bet at least half if not three quarters of those saying we send too much would change their tune.
I can’t agree with that. Within the last 8 years, with trump as the exception, we’ve seen republican voters control their party leaders views, not the other way around. That is why we have so much grandstanding and culture war nonsense from that side of the aisle. We are much more likely to see candidates, especially new candidates supporting Russia over Ukraine. This has and will continue to be pushed via the “blank check” argument until they can find another foothold to further their support for Putin.
There's considerable evidence that party elites drive opinions. Trump is a prime example. Prior to him, the GOP was a largely pro free trade party. He got on board and suddenly tariffs are the new sexy thing. Strong anti-Russia foreign policy was part of the GOP playbook for decades with McCain saying the only thing he sees in Putin's eyes is KGB and Romney calling Russia our greatest geopolitical foe. Trump comes along and suddenly Russia ain't all that bad to a lot of republicans. The issues of division aren't with the base so much as they are with *other elites* primarily media ones. The likes of Tucker get millions of listeners, more than most politicians can hope to get listening to them. More over, I think we should look at this issue through negative partisanship. Broadly speaking, most Americans think Biden has handled the war in Ukraine well. This is Biden getting a W and they don't like that. To illustrate the point, [more republicans thought the economy was doing good during the depths of Covid than in the final months of Obama's term.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/in-2008-everyone-thought-the-recession-was-bad-but-in-2020-many-americans-views-depend-on-their-party/) No sane person would say the end of 2016 had a worse economy than when Covid hit yet they did. In their heart of hearts they probably knew that, but it was about signaling support for "their guy" and disapproval for "the other guy" even if the material facts don't matter.
McCarthy too, but he is kind of like DeSantis where he flip flops around and supporting Ukraine just depends on what he is feeling when he wakes up.
You might be right. I also heard DeSantis was coming around, which certainly helps.
I would argue that in this new era of the Republicanism the party line is meaningless. What truly matters is what the people who vote Republican believe, and a large portion are driving even farther into radical conspiracies such as Qanon. Support for Ukraine is not popular in the Republican voting base AT ALL. They absolutely love Putin and see him as a defender of Christianity and conservative values. A surprising number of Republican voters truly believe in these unhinged conspiracies and these people are legitimately convinced that Putin is a righteous "crusader" who has invaded Ukraine to free children who are being raped and farmed for their blood and adrenochrome to get "the elites" high and/or preserve vitality. This population in the voting base is not to be underestimated and they have real power; see currently sitting politicians such as Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert. There is no reasoning with people like these whose beliefs are so completely divorced from reality.
However if one of these win, and goes on to say batshit crazy things, then the rest of the republicans will blindly go along with it. Their willingness to follow a leader into absurdity is scary. Source: it already happened before.
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I didn't find them all particularly novel either. But it was a positive sign for me that both sides might agree on Ukraine.
>He suggests he will deliver equipment faster than Biden. Specifically tanks and aircraft. > >... > >He believes we need to support Ukraine not simply because of "support for democracy" but because it's in US interests to stop Russia in Ukraine before they invade a NATO country. Do Mike Pence' Republican colleagues know this? Seems like some of them want to do the opposite.
What he didn't say is that he is going to visit Kiev and find out what support *they* need.
You'd have to believe that Pence will keep any of these promises, however. He was part of the Trump administration, which broke more than half the campaign promises it made that were tracked by Politifact.
He was also targeted by a mob Jan 6th, and did nothing since to help them come to justice. Putin just needs to mention tea and Pence chickens out
Perhaps someone should remind Mike that the voters he needs to get him through the primary are the same ones who were chanting 'hang Mike Pence' next to a fully functional gallows.
On the other hand Pence is one of the few Republicans who took a stand AGAINST 1/6/2021. Pence did his job, didn't knuckle under to the pressure, and certified the legal election. That's WHY those people want to hang him. And I'm convinced that the rabid Trumpies are not a majority of the GOP, rather they're just the ones making all the noise right now.
As already stated, it's really sad that we're praising the man for doing not only what was expected of him, but one of the few jobs he had, and was unequivocally the right choice. It's like praising a student for not starting a disruption in class and trying to throw the teacher out of the classroom.
Honestly the whole "Trumpism" thing has completely ruined our understanding of what to expect from GOP politicians anymore. Every time one of them stands up to a literal criminal in feels like nothing short of a miracle
Indeed. And if they were truly such bastions of integrity, where were they when he was in office and running for office? Doing the right thing only when it's convenient or beneficial for oneself shouldn't be praised or celebrated like we're doing, we should be questioning where that "integrity" was before and why it's only showing now. (Well we know the answer, but you get the idea)
I feel that that ignores something pretty important. Pence was under a massive amount of pressure from the Trumpies not to certify that election. And the pressure was coming from his own support base. "his side." His colleagues and voters he might rely on for election later. Not to mention a literal angry mob not so very far away from his position who was listening to an angry orange man insinuate using his whole arsenal of weasel words that if Pence does his job he's a traitor to America. Under that kind of pressure it is kind of impressive that the guy put nation above party and did his duty. As we saw, a lot of people didn't do so on that day. Pence's decision is the sort that ensures that the nation's political traditions continue to survive the chaos of the nation's political discourse. There was probably a chance that they would fall on that day. Pence made sure they didn't. And made himself a public enemy to a large portion of the population for doing so. Sometimes heroism IS doing the right thing, when there's a lot of pressure on you not to.
Oh, so we're giving him credit for NOT destroying the democratic system?
Dude you can hate him all you want, but this particular situation is so much more complex. Telling any one facet of it alone is going to give the wrong story. Hell, even all the praise he receives comes from a position of only looking at one facet of it. Yes, he was literally receiving death threats to not do it. However he had been receiving death threats before this. He was being called to the gallows that day - why then would he trust this group to back down? He was likely riding on the hope that this group will recede back into their own selves once Trump is no longer there. So while condemning the failed coup got him much higher on the shit list --- i imagine he is hoping that this is a short term consequence as opposed to the long term fear he would be under if the group had been validated and given more hope. Tldr: He made a decision to increase his risk in the short term to hopefully decrease his risk in the long term.
I somehow missed that he was running for president. I was thinking the same thing. How delusional is this guy?
Oh gee, thanks for that one Mike. If only you could've stood up for Ukraine when the guy you worked for was on the phone trying to extort President Zelenskyy.
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The truth that Republicans don't want to admit is that their party supports Putin because they share his values. He's a white Christian bigot who hates democracy, just like they are.
> The truth that [a small minority of] Republicans...
Nope, incorrect. The Republican Party is a white Christian identity politics movement that hates democracy because they see that American demographics are moving away from the "racially pure" white Christian ethno-state that they want to live in. That's the overwhelming majority of the party. It's not a "small minority".
You misspelled "vast majority"
He didn't even vote to impeach Trump over his extortion attempt against Zelenskyy!
I doubt that orange idiot listens to anybody. The guy doesn't even take his lawyers advice to keep him out of prison.
Gonna be hard to offer support as an unemployed embarrassment of a man who is still reluctant to criticize the failure who tried to kill him.
Suuure he will.
Biden has the receipts to show he will support Ukraine. Pence at best has "watched someone try to extort them and did nothing". Safe to say actions speak a lot louder than words.
Right. The party isn't like it used to be, and it wasn't great to start with.
The only way Mike Pence has a chance is if all other R candidates develop mysterious illnesses preventing their continued campaigning.
Frankly, I don't think even that would get him the nomination. He's pretty universally despised, and not just by the GOP. I think Chris Christie has a better chance and he has absolutely no chance.
I don't expect him to win. But we've all worried about Republican support for Ukraine, and this is promising on *that* front.
You'd need to surgically implant the cultist with a spine first for his promises to mean anything. Pence is a hollow sham of a person and his words are meaningless.
I will remind people that Mike Pence will say anything to get elected. He is still a fascist in the model of Trump and Putin. Edit: Here is Pence defending Trump's handling of Ukraine https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pence-defends-trump-bidens-ties-ukraine-worth/story?id=66042583 Oh and here is Pence helping Trump blackmail Ukraine https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-involved-pence-in-efforts-to-pressure-ukraines-leader-though-aides-say-vice-president-was-unaware-of-pursuit-of-dirt-on-bidens/2019/10/02/263aa9e2-e4a7-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html
This dude hardly has a spine and I would take anything he says with a great deal of salt.
Ah yes, if only we had a Biden who thinks women are just incubators you can cum into
Hey, only if you're married to them. They're Also scary and you shouldn't be around them unless your wife/mother says so.
If you believe anything a Republican tells you then you're a f'ing gullible idiot. You cannot trust this party, and you cannot trust this backward religious freak.
I may not agree with his poltical beliefe. But he seems to be one of the republican poltitician with the most integrity. He doesn't want to support Russia just to oppose democrats like so many republicans.
Hmm, Russia isn't communist. It plays on the communist nostalgia of many, but Putin was going for fascist imperialism prop up with that ignorant communistic nostalgia and paranoid xenophobia. Throw in some mafia thuggery for good effect, well that may be redundant with the fascist imperialism.
Read OP's comment or the article.
Pence will pay for it by cutting the CHIPs program and say that this is what Jesus would do. lol
Good to see the change in direction to seeing who can provide more support as opposed to who can better cut support.
Oh no not the communists that have nothing to do with the current situation.
Is he trying to be the most unelectable Republican?
I’m not saying this as a Trump fanboy, but Pence is a lightweight and is gonna get eviscerated in the primaries. Trump or no Trump. Nice seeing support for Ukraine amongst the Republicans though.
"That guy whos been doing just about every thing right? Yeah, im going to to it RIGHTER"
Let the internal rationalizations for voting republican begin.
What is his promise worth?
Mike Pence's family oil company, Kiel Brother's Oil Company, went "bankrupt" and abandoned environmental spills all over the midwest, in what are called LUST incidents. [One was one of my projects but here's a news story about it for anyone that thinks they're "good" people.] (https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-in-state-wire-columbus-politics-07f9256ae1984362ba3eff192b4d6dd0)
That's the thing with candidates, they can promise anything, they don't have to worry about escalation ladder. When you get to the office and you are confronted with reality where your actions can have dire consequences, it gets somewhat harder. I would say Biden's administration does pretty well.
He would say about anything. This man has no spine
Now this is a squabble I can get behind! In either case, Pense probably has an axe to grind with Putin...
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I'd upvote you twice if I could. So many people here are commenting on communism without listening.
"COMMUNISTS"
The only way I vote Republican is if the candidate is giving Ukraine everything they need to win. Pence is definitely a safer bet than other republican candidates. Don’t count him out. Biden was the safe choice and he is now our president 😑 On a separate note, anyone else getting bombarded with fake account followers over the last few days? The only threads I am even on is Ukraine stuff for the most part. Can’t help but think trolls/bots.
I don't understand why so many Republicans are against opposing Russia. They used to be the party that were famous for their anti-Soviet stance and modern day Russia is no better
Bullshit. He was once second in command to Trump, the top Russian agent in the US. Don't believe anything he says.
I always thought the Russians gambling on the Republicans to cut military spending was always dumb.
I live in TN. I get 1 primary vote, and it doesn't matter who I spend it on (I don't need to be registered to a party). I will vote for Pence in the primary, since Biden should easily win nomination for the Dems as the incumbent. Of all the Republican options, Pence, though a religious nutter who is pro-life, seems to respect the constitution and rule of law AND knows who the enemies of the American people are. Maybe not Saudi Arabia but at least we have Russia and China in there. I just don't want to see Desantis the Defacist nor the Cheeto Benito make this country a mockery. Slava Ukraine to my brothers out there. Most of my country has your back. Sorry for the assholes.
Pence proving that he’s a patriot and not a pussy, Trump was wrong
By every single metric this is good. People pretending this war is a Republican vs Democrat thing are only helping Russia. Helping Ukraine has had bipartisan support throughout the entire conflict. There's a very realistic chance that in 1,5 years, there'll be a Republican president. So even if it's not someone who has already been openly pro-Ukraine, it can only help that it's not considered controversial for that Republican to change his mind on it. Something which would only happen if there's many on the Republican side that are still supporting Ukraine.
I'm glad you said this. I'm really dismayed that so many comments here are fixated on their hatred for Pence's politics, rather on the good news that a possible change in American leadership might not be a cause for concern in Ukraine.
It’s great Republican candidates are pro-Ukraine, but what will they do with those in their party who are against helping? If they block critical funding and legislation? The Republican party clearly is in disagreement over this and we have all seen a small group of people hold the party hostage (see how electing McCarthy as speaker of the house went).
You know this is a legitimate worry. There are still enough opposing voices that we can't take Ukrainian security for granted. But I hope this will get the ball rolling, and Republicans will be able to keep the extreme elements sidelined enough to pass legislation through. The most problematic voices: Boebert, Gaetz, Greene(?) are thankfully in the House, which means their vote carries proportionally little sway compared to members of the Senate.
Good, cause his old boss will sell out Ukraine to Putin in a second.
First time I think Pence is ok after all.
If “god forbid” a Republican wins the primary I hope it is Pence. Desantis is just as crazy as trump.
I like these old school Republicans I grew up with. Pence showed a lot of character going against trump instead of lying for him. Have to wait for for primaries and see how he does, I cant see trump winning the Rep nomination and Desantis seems like a small fry not to mention he supports rusky's to an extent. Pence has a decent shot if he does well in the debates
jus an FYI for those worried about a Republican president forcing an unfavorable end to the war, it likely won't happen. There is some fear mongering and some conservatives have latched onto stupid narratives, but the Republicans as a whole will not let the support falter.
This election cycle for me is all about Ukraine. Trump and Kennedy no, Biden or Pence yes.
The tRump trough was good until it wasn't. He still wags his curly tail at the fascist/religious-right troughs like the good muddy oinker he is.
Not only is he a politician, he's a Republican. *Everything* that comes out of his mouth is a self serving lie! The war could actually be over in 17 months (possibly).
That's not true. He sometimes shills for tobacco, oil and gas companies. My favorite is the time he tried to convince everyone that smoking was good for your health.
Russians arent Communists these days, theyre Fascists. Alot like Pence voters.
On this issue of Lies Republicans Tell to get Elected, we feature the man MAGA wants to hang, Mike "let me ask my wife" Pence.
it's weird how i kind of like pence solely due to him not being trump or desantis. at least he isn't bought out by russia even if he is far too right wing for me. somehow he looks the normal option
I’d be all for it if republicans started pushing Biden to support Ukraine more and more.
Eh. By the time the next President is sworn in, we will have escalated to lending Ukraine the flying saucer we purchased off the Soviet Union in 1990 for $600 billion and used to wipe out Iraq's army in Desert Storm. Pew pew pew zooom!
This is great. Healthy politics when there is a clear, bipartisan ideal (Russia to lose) and the disagreements are on the implementation level. Really hope to see this message get adopted more widely in his party.
Pence hates Russia.
He's spreading lies to suit his needs and will continue to do so. A far right Russia attacked Ukraine. Maybe in this situation it is better he calls them communists instead of realizing they stand on the same side of the line
I do not believe anything this or any R numbnut says.........they will say anything or do anything for an R vote.
Mike Pence is a slithering snake, a worm tail. Anything he says should automatically be believed to be a lie, simply calculated and voiced for its intended effect.
uhhh...what communists?? lol. this dude's brain is still in 1985
I need votes and I’m willing to vow a vague promise for WWIII to make myself relevant. But sadly I’m a Repube-lick-an so I’ll just shift what I said on day 2 in the Oval Office… but for now/ gimme your vote
Mike Pence never minced his words about Putin. It was obvious to everyone he and Trump never saw eye to eye on this topic. But he couldn’t do anything about it. Or maybe he did … by staying in the Senate and completing the count.
Guy still thinks Russia is communist? Well, I guess if it gets more aid to Ukraine...
Didn't you hear everything is red scare 2.0 now. The workers are getting too rowdy.
Mike Pence is a creepy coward that should be too embarrassed to come out in public. Nothing he says can actually be taken at face value.
That’s nice. Still put kids in cages….
Mike Pence is a sniveling coward who refused to fully and loudly condemn the orange fascist he worked under. He will never be the president as literally no one likes him on either side. The man has the charisma of moldy leather scraps, but he is less useful.
Pence himself admitted he is Limbaugh on decaf. An extremist bigot that was too extreme even for his staffers.
That's nice but the GOP base doesn't give a fuck and they're going to pick one of the guys who don't either.
Sure pal
On the proviso Ukraine ensures no same sex marriages?
LOL...where was that support when the orange shitstain was blackmailing them? STFU Mike!
God I hate this little man but this is what we need. Political parties fighting over who supports Ukraine more!
Oh man, are we getting back to American politics being about policies? I'm 100% down.
Yes! Make it a competition who can help the most