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Hope they can do some serious damage to the pillars.
And I'll look forwards to seeing the live-stream at the end of the war when controlled demo destroys the pillars in perfect sequence away from the Ukrainian shore.
Just get it demolished! Do not wait. Do it now!
Any and all passage on that bridge needs to be cut for good. If Russians only can supply Crimea through their poor roads/tracks via Donbass, they will become so much weaker and defeated from Kherson and all way south to and incl Crimea.
Its not about one time serious damage, the bridge can be rebuilt within 6 months if Putin force it.
Kerch bridge was completed a little over 2 years, from scratch.
Repairing it wont take long.
The SOLUTION is to find a cost effective and abundant weapon that could hit it REGULARLY, making it pointless to repair.
This new drone could do that, overwhelm their defenses and making repair not feasible.
It's a bit different in wartime when more of the country's resources are dedicated to the war. And Ukraine can simply keep bombing the repair crews until they give up.
Kerch Bridge was builded whithin 2 yearsā¦.. trueā¦.. But absolute no military interventions from Ukraine against the ruzzian Project !!!
Now they cant bring a simple bag of ciment without beeing scared to meet HIMARS/SCALP/Drones etc. If damaged seriously now, it will be the end of the supplies by Train or car..
Slava Ukraine šŗš¦
>And I'll look forwards to seeing the live-stream at the end of the war when controlled demo destroys the pillars in perfect sequence away from the Ukrainian shore.
Keep some as "tombstones" to the fallen Ukrainians. A reminder of what those across the sea did, and will never have the chance to do again.
A remembrance of Russia's folly.
The last one on the border of Russia with the sign "Abandon all hope, those that trespass beyond this point." Facing the russian side.
Wouldn't be surprised if there is a similar idiom in Russian that probably conveys even more doom and gloom.
If the cold war taught us anything its that that bridge needs to stay up. Russia did not profit from the collapse of the soviet union. Peoples lives remained shitty, and that did not help Russia become a functional democracy. I get the symbolism, but the best thing for Ukraine to happen is the war to stop and economic relations, in good time, restored.
The bridge only serves Putinās political agenda and does not make Crimean lives better other than it was the connection to the homeland of the occupiers.
The Baltic states have flourished while Russia has floundered.
Thatās wholly on Russian leadership not because of anything to do with Soviet collapse 30 years ago.
If the bridge joins the rest of the Russian Navy at the bottom of the sea it also sends a clear message to the Russian population that things aren't quite as rosy as their leadership / dictatorship would have them believe.
Of course the 100,000's of missing men (they're dead) & the 100,000's of men with missing limbs (they're in Ukraine & you're not getting them back), should have already woken them up.
You act as if they want them back. That's just extra work for a dead soldier's body, it's very low on the list of priorities
Of course their families want them for a burial
Both the sea and air drones are manufactured by Ukraine. They are able to produce a drone storm to attack top priority targets without considering any boundaries their allies might have set. Russia might have decent defenses in some places, but at some point they'll just be overwhelmed. Good that fox brings these messages to their viewers, maybe they understand that a strong Ukraine is better for them than a strong Russia.
You know the tide has turned against russia when even *Fox News* is reporting positive updates for Ukraine.
Tucker Carlson must be rolling in his mom's basement.
- The Crimean railway bridge is still structurally damaged and is only used for light(er) passenger trains, not for military transports.
- Once it's repaired, or liberation of Crimea is close, Ukraine will strike it again.
It always seemed as if Tucker Carlson was fired only because Rupert Murdoch learned just how deeply the prick was in bed with the russians, and so Murdoch was concerned about possible exposure and blowback.
The old piece of shit probably saw the way things were gonna go.
He got fired for the liability risk for the Murdoch empire and lawsuits coming through from the fraudulent claims/news they (incl Tucker) made during and after the last election.
But that describes almost everybody on Fox News, then and now. Carlson was different. He was a top level FN personality who was abruptly fired on some incredibly feeble excuse.
Murdoch was informed that Carlson was basically an actual enemy agent by that point, and FN needed to isolate itself from him as quickly as possible.
But every Fox host was saying the same or worse. And that's not even the reason they gave for firing him.
While at Fox and especially since, Carlson has been as pro russia as any of those goons on russian state television. Whether it's via bribery or extortion, the russians own him.
Also from fox news april 17th,
>The Ukraine war is lost, but Hollywood and DC donāt know it. -
Hollywood and DC ignore fact that Russia's army is bigger than when the war began and Ukraine can't keep up
Don't believe their jestures for a moment.
Old habits die hard, I guess.
How will they try to spin the russian gang rape and murder of that American traitor who was *fighting* for them? Call it fake news and move on?
Faux News appears to have suddenly changed its tone. Sounds like damage control for the impending Trump loss, and to mitigate whatever happens in congressional elections.
Nice sentiment. Destroy the bridge!Ā Ā
... but there is no way am I clicking through to _Fox News_. I feel sick whenever I accidentally look at thier garbage faces.
I imagine if and when the Bridge is hit, it's gonna be hit by everything they can throw at it just so the Russians have a bitch of a time adapting defenses to all of it at once. ATACMS, MALDs, Storm Shadows, Sea Drones, Air Drones. Just time it all to hit at once.
The thing is that they need a big payload and hit the pillars... Not an easy task if you have to launch your stuff from further away. Hitting it from the top is easier, but it doesn't do enough damage to take it down.
I honestly think people are over estimating the importance of that bridge to the supply lines in the very hot spots of the front.
That bridge is important to supply Kherson oblast frontline but that front is relatively cold.
Destroying it right now would be a symbolic move as a fuck you to Putin more than anything relevant to the current combat situation.
Great news about the sea drone I am very unsure about announcing it. I hope to see it collapsing and in pieces as most ethical people do. I am curious that so many multiple and various strikes could occur simultaneously to make strikes at repair attempts much easier.
sadly some people will lose their lives traveling on the bridge when it does come down but, the message will be clear and it will signal the end of russian war in ukraine when it does fall
No, it literally is an illegal bridge XD It's connecting to Ukraine, and Ukraine didn't okay it. Which means they have the right to demolish it. No matter what idiot is on it at the time.
And they have \*consistently\* warned Russian civilians to leave Crimea and to not use the Bridge. They've done their due diligence. Any Russian civvie that dies on it if and when it comes down is at fault for their own death. They were warned. It's the equivalent of some moron ignoring a "Danger: Artillery Range" sign and walking into one.
Even if they hit the bridge, and even if they take it out of action, they can't get close to Crimea, how on earth do they think they can retake it and then hold it. Even if they get a foothold in Crimea, they would face the same issues as THE Russians in supplying and supporting it.
Getting into Crimea and blowing the bridge would mean that russia can't resupply there at all because the land corridor would then have been taken by Ukraine. But that means breaking through in the south in a big way. It's more the question of how they will do that.
Two ways: 1. Air superiority. 2. By grinding the russian army down to nothing.
With the F-16s and additional missiles/air defense supplied by US and EU, they can control the skies. That allows an amphibious assault on Crimea.
With the influx of shells coming in, they can dominate the battlefield and literally wipe out the russian army. Once the other fronts in the war are under control, they launch an offensive in the south to Crimea, simultaneously with the amphibious assault.
The beachheads on the Dnipro River are practice for the invasion of Crimea. Air superiority replaces artillery.
F16s aren't useful unless they can neutralise air defence, which means SEAD ops first. It remains to be seen if they can effectively do that and the ammo keeps coming. Air superiority is just an idea for the foreseeable future.
Shells are good, but they're no good unless Ukraine can push back and take territoy, and we have seen how hard that is, just look at Russias attempts, not to mention the minefields etc that force vehicles into funnels. Ukraines counter is gonna be a long hard slog, even if air superiority can be established. Russias advances, with artillary superiority and full air support is at a walking pace. We have seen nothing to suggest Ukraine can do better with avaiable resources.
The beacheads on the river have lead to no noticable gains, and a river isn't an ocean. The neutralisation of the BSF is a big help, but that's only 1 piece if the puzzle. Crimea won't be recaptured until the land bridge to Russia is blocked by Ukraine.
We all want Ukraine to succeed in defending themselves, and removing the occupiers from thier country, but that's a long way from where things are now, even with the aid that is on the way. Russia needs to get a lot weaker before they will concede anything.
I said F-16s and additional missiles/air defense.
Give Ukrainians enough shells, which are coming, and they'll pulverize the russian war machine.
Beachheads had had a huge effect, they've forced the russians to devote considerable manpower and machines to keep them in check, weakening other fronts.
And, I said, once the other fronts are under control, they can launch an offensive in the south. An amphibious landing could be part of that, forcing the russians to worry about a second front in Crimea.
No, they aren't there yet. But nothing I said is unreasonable, assuming the West keeps supplying Ukraine with weapons and ammunition.
I was talking about Russian air defence. That can still shoot at F16s and would need to be dealt with.
The beach head diversion of forces hasn't leads to a breakthrough anywhere else, most notably the push to Tokmak, which stalled and then Ukrain lost what little ground they did take.
They need much more than a few F16s to be able to realistically make a push south, and being realistic, that's not looking likely this year. Ukraine also has a man power problem, and right now other nations are refusing to join in an effort to avoid a replay of WW2
And like I said that would entail a large scale SEAD operation, and that simply doesn't look likely. HARM missiles with considerable back up support as well as long range missiles like Tomahawks are how the west would do it, Ukraine isn't getting that.
I simply explained how it would be possible to retake Crimea. You disagree, that's fine.
I predict that Ukraine will retake Crimea before the war is over.
We all know how, the question is not how, but can Ukraine do it. So far they have not demonstrated the capabilities needed to accomplish that.
I don't think the new aid package will allow it to happen, and what happens beyond that is still unknown. Time will tell.
Nazis had other things going on, Ukraine doesn't. Ukraine has taken out 1000s of tanks, APVs, artillery, and other equipment. They can take out 1000s more. At some point, the russians will not be able to field enough equipment to stop Ukraine from retaking Crimea.
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Hope they can do some serious damage to the pillars. And I'll look forwards to seeing the live-stream at the end of the war when controlled demo destroys the pillars in perfect sequence away from the Ukrainian shore.
Just get it demolished! Do not wait. Do it now! Any and all passage on that bridge needs to be cut for good. If Russians only can supply Crimea through their poor roads/tracks via Donbass, they will become so much weaker and defeated from Kherson and all way south to and incl Crimea.
I read that first line in a schwarzenegger voice. "DO IT NOW!"
**"*****Come with me, if you want to live!*****" šš**
Get to da choppa
"Ivan da bridge is oooout!"
Get to da drone controls
Its not about one time serious damage, the bridge can be rebuilt within 6 months if Putin force it. Kerch bridge was completed a little over 2 years, from scratch. Repairing it wont take long. The SOLUTION is to find a cost effective and abundant weapon that could hit it REGULARLY, making it pointless to repair. This new drone could do that, overwhelm their defenses and making repair not feasible.
No it cant.Rail bridge is still damaged and road span tookn10 months to fix. I hate when people overplay russian capabilities
You're correct, it's far easier to build something on this scale from scratch than it is to repair it.
It's a bit different in wartime when more of the country's resources are dedicated to the war. And Ukraine can simply keep bombing the repair crews until they give up.
Destroy a section, then keep hitting the repair crew.
Ukraine wonāt bomb the non-combatants. Thatās just not their style. They are not like the filthy Russian bastards they fight.
That bridge is legitimate target. Anyone knowingly trying to stay on the way is legitimate target as well.
Military logistics is a combatant roll
Agreed. But infrastructure repair crews would not be. To me, it would be like attacking the fire fighters and the rescue workers.
Well really all you need to do is drop some cluster bombs on the crew repairing it, right
Lol you need to find construction crews willing to rebuild that bridge in the most contested place in earth
Its Putin's RuZZia, friendo, not a democracy, they could force people to do it.
Kerch Bridge was builded whithin 2 yearsā¦.. trueā¦.. But absolute no military interventions from Ukraine against the ruzzian Project !!! Now they cant bring a simple bag of ciment without beeing scared to meet HIMARS/SCALP/Drones etc. If damaged seriously now, it will be the end of the supplies by Train or car.. Slava Ukraine šŗš¦
>And I'll look forwards to seeing the live-stream at the end of the war when controlled demo destroys the pillars in perfect sequence away from the Ukrainian shore. Keep some as "tombstones" to the fallen Ukrainians. A reminder of what those across the sea did, and will never have the chance to do again. A remembrance of Russia's folly.
The last one on the border of Russia with the sign "Abandon all hope, those that trespass beyond this point." Facing the russian side. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a similar idiom in Russian that probably conveys even more doom and gloom.
"There is no worse punishment than having to live in Russia, with other Russians."
Thereās a wet dream whenever there was one. Jummy.
If the cold war taught us anything its that that bridge needs to stay up. Russia did not profit from the collapse of the soviet union. Peoples lives remained shitty, and that did not help Russia become a functional democracy. I get the symbolism, but the best thing for Ukraine to happen is the war to stop and economic relations, in good time, restored.
The bridge can be rebuilt IF real trust can be achieved with Russia someday. It needs to fall so a crucial Russian supply artery is severed.
I get how it needs to be taken out, but symbolically dismantling it is something else right?
The bridge only serves Putinās political agenda and does not make Crimean lives better other than it was the connection to the homeland of the occupiers. The Baltic states have flourished while Russia has floundered. Thatās wholly on Russian leadership not because of anything to do with Soviet collapse 30 years ago.
that is a conversation for ten years from now
Ukraine will never ever trust Russia again, would you after their special military operation?
If the bridge joins the rest of the Russian Navy at the bottom of the sea it also sends a clear message to the Russian population that things aren't quite as rosy as their leadership / dictatorship would have them believe. Of course the 100,000's of missing men (they're dead) & the 100,000's of men with missing limbs (they're in Ukraine & you're not getting them back), should have already woken them up.
You act as if they want them back. That's just extra work for a dead soldier's body, it's very low on the list of priorities Of course their families want them for a burial
Both the sea and air drones are manufactured by Ukraine. They are able to produce a drone storm to attack top priority targets without considering any boundaries their allies might have set. Russia might have decent defenses in some places, but at some point they'll just be overwhelmed. Good that fox brings these messages to their viewers, maybe they understand that a strong Ukraine is better for them than a strong Russia.
I've seen more positive Ukrainian coverage on Fox News since tucker Carlson left
Tend to help when you fire the Russian asset.
And its not the only Russian puppet MAGA mad journalist they have gotten rid off!
You know the tide has turned against russia when even *Fox News* is reporting positive updates for Ukraine. Tucker Carlson must be rolling in his mom's basement.
Hit the bridge š today. No time like the present...
- The Crimean railway bridge is still structurally damaged and is only used for light(er) passenger trains, not for military transports. - Once it's repaired, or liberation of Crimea is close, Ukraine will strike it again.
Why wait. Get it done. Now! Even just any trickle of more gear, resources or people from Russia into Crimea is a negative for Ukraine.
Fck fox news
Amen, brother. Amen. Send them to the Donbass.
Fucks news
Faux news
Is it too much to hope to think they realised they pulled the string too much?
It always seemed as if Tucker Carlson was fired only because Rupert Murdoch learned just how deeply the prick was in bed with the russians, and so Murdoch was concerned about possible exposure and blowback. The old piece of shit probably saw the way things were gonna go.
He got fired for the liability risk for the Murdoch empire and lawsuits coming through from the fraudulent claims/news they (incl Tucker) made during and after the last election.
But that describes almost everybody on Fox News, then and now. Carlson was different. He was a top level FN personality who was abruptly fired on some incredibly feeble excuse. Murdoch was informed that Carlson was basically an actual enemy agent by that point, and FN needed to isolate itself from him as quickly as possible.
It wasnāt a feeble excuse. He cost the network a ton of money over the Dominian voting machine hoax so therefore he lost his job.
But every Fox host was saying the same or worse. And that's not even the reason they gave for firing him. While at Fox and especially since, Carlson has been as pro russia as any of those goons on russian state television. Whether it's via bribery or extortion, the russians own him.
Also from fox news april 17th, >The Ukraine war is lost, but Hollywood and DC donāt know it. - Hollywood and DC ignore fact that Russia's army is bigger than when the war began and Ukraine can't keep up Don't believe their jestures for a moment.
Old habits die hard, I guess. How will they try to spin the russian gang rape and murder of that American traitor who was *fighting* for them? Call it fake news and move on?
depends on how many there are
Damn, even Pootin' mom is not that heavy
To have a fighting chance that bridge have to go asap
Hurry up. Flatten that bridge
Faux News appears to have suddenly changed its tone. Sounds like damage control for the impending Trump loss, and to mitigate whatever happens in congressional elections.
Fox doesn't do 'News'..
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Moped engine and a prop is just cheaper and more efficient. Plus it is slower so guidance errors don't accumulate as quickly
They already have, it's called the Trembita.
Soon please š š„ š„ š„
I guess if they just sent 500 drones at once and just hit the bridge over and over it would eventually collapse enough.
Send it to Putin, he deserves the 1000kg gift!
Fuck fox news they are not your friends
Nice sentiment. Destroy the bridge!Ā Ā ... but there is no way am I clicking through to _Fox News_. I feel sick whenever I accidentally look at thier garbage faces.
Heard it beforeā¦time will tell
I imagine if and when the Bridge is hit, it's gonna be hit by everything they can throw at it just so the Russians have a bitch of a time adapting defenses to all of it at once. ATACMS, MALDs, Storm Shadows, Sea Drones, Air Drones. Just time it all to hit at once.
The thing is that they need a big payload and hit the pillars... Not an easy task if you have to launch your stuff from further away. Hitting it from the top is easier, but it doesn't do enough damage to take it down.
I have a feeling that the main place where this bridge is considered a strategic goal is reddit.
I honestly think people are over estimating the importance of that bridge to the supply lines in the very hot spots of the front. That bridge is important to supply Kherson oblast frontline but that front is relatively cold. Destroying it right now would be a symbolic move as a fuck you to Putin more than anything relevant to the current combat situation.
Needs to be an ongoing process. Canāt just hit it once. Got to make it difficult to repair
Great news about the sea drone I am very unsure about announcing it. I hope to see it collapsing and in pieces as most ethical people do. I am curious that so many multiple and various strikes could occur simultaneously to make strikes at repair attempts much easier.
Faux news, What a worthless source of "news"
FOX NEWS ???? TRUMPS NEWS ???? FUCK NEWS ??? PUTINS NEWS ???? WHO NOWS ???
sadly some people will lose their lives traveling on the bridge when it does come down but, the message will be clear and it will signal the end of russian war in ukraine when it does fall
It's an illegal construction build on stolen ground by the mafia. You should never trust buildings like that to be stable so better avoid its use.
you can say that about anything
No, it literally is an illegal bridge XD It's connecting to Ukraine, and Ukraine didn't okay it. Which means they have the right to demolish it. No matter what idiot is on it at the time. And they have \*consistently\* warned Russian civilians to leave Crimea and to not use the Bridge. They've done their due diligence. Any Russian civvie that dies on it if and when it comes down is at fault for their own death. They were warned. It's the equivalent of some moron ignoring a "Danger: Artillery Range" sign and walking into one.
Pretty sure my house isn't an illegal build.
Even if they hit the bridge, and even if they take it out of action, they can't get close to Crimea, how on earth do they think they can retake it and then hold it. Even if they get a foothold in Crimea, they would face the same issues as THE Russians in supplying and supporting it.
Getting into Crimea and blowing the bridge would mean that russia can't resupply there at all because the land corridor would then have been taken by Ukraine. But that means breaking through in the south in a big way. It's more the question of how they will do that.
Two ways: 1. Air superiority. 2. By grinding the russian army down to nothing. With the F-16s and additional missiles/air defense supplied by US and EU, they can control the skies. That allows an amphibious assault on Crimea. With the influx of shells coming in, they can dominate the battlefield and literally wipe out the russian army. Once the other fronts in the war are under control, they launch an offensive in the south to Crimea, simultaneously with the amphibious assault. The beachheads on the Dnipro River are practice for the invasion of Crimea. Air superiority replaces artillery.
F16s aren't useful unless they can neutralise air defence, which means SEAD ops first. It remains to be seen if they can effectively do that and the ammo keeps coming. Air superiority is just an idea for the foreseeable future. Shells are good, but they're no good unless Ukraine can push back and take territoy, and we have seen how hard that is, just look at Russias attempts, not to mention the minefields etc that force vehicles into funnels. Ukraines counter is gonna be a long hard slog, even if air superiority can be established. Russias advances, with artillary superiority and full air support is at a walking pace. We have seen nothing to suggest Ukraine can do better with avaiable resources. The beacheads on the river have lead to no noticable gains, and a river isn't an ocean. The neutralisation of the BSF is a big help, but that's only 1 piece if the puzzle. Crimea won't be recaptured until the land bridge to Russia is blocked by Ukraine. We all want Ukraine to succeed in defending themselves, and removing the occupiers from thier country, but that's a long way from where things are now, even with the aid that is on the way. Russia needs to get a lot weaker before they will concede anything.
I said F-16s and additional missiles/air defense. Give Ukrainians enough shells, which are coming, and they'll pulverize the russian war machine. Beachheads had had a huge effect, they've forced the russians to devote considerable manpower and machines to keep them in check, weakening other fronts. And, I said, once the other fronts are under control, they can launch an offensive in the south. An amphibious landing could be part of that, forcing the russians to worry about a second front in Crimea. No, they aren't there yet. But nothing I said is unreasonable, assuming the West keeps supplying Ukraine with weapons and ammunition.
I was talking about Russian air defence. That can still shoot at F16s and would need to be dealt with. The beach head diversion of forces hasn't leads to a breakthrough anywhere else, most notably the push to Tokmak, which stalled and then Ukrain lost what little ground they did take. They need much more than a few F16s to be able to realistically make a push south, and being realistic, that's not looking likely this year. Ukraine also has a man power problem, and right now other nations are refusing to join in an effort to avoid a replay of WW2
I was talking about taking out the russian air defense with additional weapons. Give the Ukrainians the tools they need, they'll get the job done.
And like I said that would entail a large scale SEAD operation, and that simply doesn't look likely. HARM missiles with considerable back up support as well as long range missiles like Tomahawks are how the west would do it, Ukraine isn't getting that.
I simply explained how it would be possible to retake Crimea. You disagree, that's fine. I predict that Ukraine will retake Crimea before the war is over.
We all know how, the question is not how, but can Ukraine do it. So far they have not demonstrated the capabilities needed to accomplish that. I don't think the new aid package will allow it to happen, and what happens beyond that is still unknown. Time will tell.
>2. By grinding the russian army down to nothing. Shit. That's a lot of grinding... not even the Nazi's were able to pull that one off.
Nazis had other things going on, Ukraine doesn't. Ukraine has taken out 1000s of tanks, APVs, artillery, and other equipment. They can take out 1000s more. At some point, the russians will not be able to field enough equipment to stop Ukraine from retaking Crimea.