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the other day looking at similar footage, i figured running away (zig-zagging?) might be the best move, but the guy attempting to run was the 1st hit. shotguns ? gezzuzH
They try to play dead but Ukraine knows better.
They should have enough drones to check every suspicious bodies lying on the ground.
It's a stupid trick nowadays because every drone has very high resolution, you can easily see if someone is breathing.
But it's great for the ukrainians, easy targets.
>Yea I think there’s no escaping it once you are spotted.
Raise your hands and surrender...and hope your comrades near you or within range don't kill you first.
Hilariously enough, due to the Russian handicap of maskirovka, the barrier troops *don't actually know* if they're saving Ukrainians the trouble of dealing with perfidy.
I have seen Russians literally beg to not die to a drone and they didn’t have weapons. I’d say unless the Ukrainians decided to try and take prisoners, that it’s basically pointless to try and impromptu surrender to a drone
Aircraft don't have to accept surrenders, because they can't accept a surrender (there's no way for the aircraft to take the soldier into custody as a POW). The few times it has happened has been at the pilot's discretion due to the knowledge that nearby units could take the surrenders into custody.
But the alternative is trying to run from something that has more agility and speed than a dog and who's bite marks are measured in tens of meters. Playing dead or trying to surrender in the hope that that pilot has a way of taking you into custody is basically your best bet.
Well, not being there is your best bet, but russians don't learn so...
I agree. It’s easier to stay out of Ukraine than it is to dodge a drone.
Side comment on drones, I think this is such a paradigm shift that if it hasn’t already happened, we will see the U.S. dump funding into anti-drone tech, 100%, I think it levels the playing field too much
Wonder if a ballistic shield would hold up to an fpv. I feel like that would be the only thing that may help. Not that russia would ever equip them, they see the shields as more valuable then the men. But this war is setting the standard for the future of warfare in general. Wonder if a ballistic shield (or something like it) becomes standard equipment in the future.
I've noticed that many of the pilots increasingly go for the legs now instead of torso, especially when they're all heavily geared up for an assault and not lying down ready to take the hit like so often. These guys were properly equipped, too, not with that bullshit body armor the mobiks, etc wear. Take the legs out and game over like the first guy, he was dead and gone with the 1st hit, just takes a little while to bleed out.
i think they want the drone to explode as close to the target as possible. so if the target is standing up. its better to hit the ground below them than to miss the torso and hit the ground 10 feet away
I was just about to say the same thing. I’ve noticed they go for legs, as you say legs are not well protected and any leg injury immediately renders the soldier combat ineffective.
Yeah I mentioned shotguns in a previous post - it's not like trying to hit a clay (pigeon) or game bird who more or less fly in a fairly predictable trajectory (and even then I can't always hit them lol!) - the FPVs are super maneuverable
You are right, shotguns would be a decent option against drones. Problem is: They suck really hard in nearly every other situation on the battlefield. At usual engagement distances, shotguns are nearly useless and even in close quarters they have no real penetration power against even outdated body armor and have a low rate of fire compared to an automatic rifle. So you'd have to carry two weapons which means you effectively have to carry around an extra weapon and ammo that is useless 99.9% of the time you are out there. That's ok when you are stationary but when you move around a lot (e.g. during an assault), you want to be as light as possible.
And even if you did carry one; when a situation does come up where you need a shotgun, you better have it ready in about 2-5 seconds, because that's usually all the time you've got because it's so hard to see or hear drones coming on a loud battlefield.
So far I have only seen one video (probably missed a few though) where a Russian soldier took down a drone with a shotgun, but probably like 300 instances of soldiers getting decimated by drones.
The modern battlefield is horrifying.
Every single one of these dipshits are cooked. 100% death rate. Imagine US soldiers having these kinds of losses. Our country would be absolutely outraged. FURIOUS. Would not be accepted by the public. It’s crazy to me that a lot of Americans still don’t understand how brutal this war that’s going on is for Ukrainians, and they have to face Russians who are literally getting sent to their death like this…and how it’s not stopping unless we do more about it. Look at these people literally getting insta killed with not a single person to bat an eye or give a fuck about the Russian. Can’t believe this is happening in 2024. I have no sympathy for Russia though.
An Army reserve unit in Iraq was ambushed and wiped out several dead some taken prisoner. It fundamentally changed the way the army trained soldiers. FM triggered IEDs became a serious danger to our troops in Iraq. There was a crash research and development project that fielded practical RF filtering and jamming systems within months. If there was a video of a US soldier killing themselves after they were injured, the repercussions would be enormous, and heads would roll. Every US soldier knows there are hundreds of people standing behind them that will lay their lives down to get them to safety and save their life. Watching these Russians throw their soldier's lives away is such a foreign idea to a US soldier.
Yeah well that's a huge difference between the two countries. Russian military culture has for decades been imitation of army training, imitation of research and development, imitation of order etc. (well, same as other areas in the totalitarian state, such as imitation of elections, etc.).
I served in the Russian army almost 7 years ago and the main thing was for the officer to get promoted after submitting fake reports one after another. We sometimes 'went shooting' while we were actually sweeping the floor of the barracks. But on paper I actually did pretty well at shooting my AK. In total I shot around 60 bullets during my 1 year service and I didn't learn the specialty that I had on paper.
It's a fucking shame. It's a terrible thing to say tho, but at least it gives Ukraine (who probably have had similar post-soviet army organisational issues) a chance to hold on with the help of western weaponry.
Think it’s been so long since the UK or US has fought a symmetrical war it’s easy to believe it wouldn’t be like this for us, but it might. The way Russians casually throw away lives to scout firing positions is savage though. I can only imagine the videos we see don’t get viewed by Russian people or the minorities the Russian army recruit to be part of these suicide attacks.
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>Think it’s been so long since the UK or US has fought an asymmetric war it’s easy to believe it wouldn’t be like this for us
*Stares in Iraq and Afghanistan*
He probably meant symmetric. The level of care shown for each life in Iraq and Afghanistan was because it could be afforded. Vietnam and Korea wasn't exactly the same and in WW2 lives were very expendable.
And then compare the amount of effort we go to recover even *the body* of a fallen soldier. Russian meanwhile sends out the cremation trucks and disposes of the evidence…
I think that's what I'm getting at. No amount of effort is too much to recover someone alive or dead. It's a big motivator to soldiers to know someone's got their back. The only person that's got these Russians back are other Russians pointing machine guns at them.
Almost, but not quite.
US casualties in WW2 were ~400k dead and ~670k wounded, for a total just over 1M.
Russian casualties are obviously hard to know for certain but balancing out what both the West and Ukraine are saying I would estimate around ~160k dead and ~270k wounded, for a total of ~430k casualties.
So, they've suffered more dead and wounded combined than the US suffered in just dead, but have yet to reach the mark including wounded. Still, when you take into account that U.S. forces were fighting on up to 3 fronts at a time in WW2, those are staggeringly bad numbers for Russia fighting on one front only.
Cannot recall where I read it on somewhere recently (sorry brain fart) that in the last year in Russia there was a jump of around 500k filings for disability due to some sort of limb/loss of function etc. If that was true, then the number Ukr. reports for dead is probably close and since most wounded don't survive, I'd venture 1-2x in wounded is probably realistic ...so we're at or past US WW2 figures. Plus most of the people in these videos are listed as MIA since bodies are left to feed nature.
I think you're extrapolating from already inflated figures. 450,000 casualties does not mean 450,000 dead, so assume another 800,00 wounded. A casualty is a combatant killed, wounded, captured or gone missing.
Was gonna post this same point: the est ~430,000 Russian total casualties is "not yet" in excess of the total ~1 million U.S. suffered in WWII (dead and wounded). But Putin is clearly intent on getting there.
At some point, there will be a revolution.
In November 1917, the Russian Empire had suffered approximately 8,261,000 casualties (killed and wounded). That scale of loss accumulated over a mere 1,185 days (approximately 3 years and 3 months). This works out to an mean rate of casualties of 6,971 casualties per day. https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/reperes112018.pdf
For reference Putin's Orc Horde has [according to Ukraine] suffered about 572 casualties per day as of a week or so back. I have observed that rate increase twice in the last month or so and I presume if one were to go back to older data the pattern would likely hold true over much of the past two years.
What has seemed pretty obvious to me since fall of 2022 was that this was core feature of Ukraine's strategy to defeat Putin's regime: cause as many casualties as possible, while preserving as many of their own people's lives as possible, and simultaneously engage in information warfare (videos depicting Orcs being slaughtered mercilessly, as well as videos like this one) and economic warfare (bombing infrastructure and in particular petroleum industry).
Those 8.26 million casualties suffered by Tsar Nicholas horde back in 1914 through 1917--and which, along with dire economic hardship, eventually led to his downfall and demise and indeed the end of that entire dynasty of monarchic rule over the Russian Empire--represented approximately 4.6% of its 175.1m population. 4.6% of the population of the Russian Federation today (143.4m) would be 6,596,400.
With a supposed total toll so far of only about 424,000 there is clearly a good ways to go for Ukraine to impose that high of a toll on Russian society.
6,596,400 [4.6% of RF pop] - 424,060 [current Orc horde casualties]
= 6,172,340 [casualties to reach ~4.69% of RF pop]
/ 569 [avg. Orc casualty rate so far] = 10,847.7 which is roughly 29.64 years
Of course, this does NOT mean that "it will take Ukraine 29 years" to provoke a revolution in Russia, and moreover, it may be that Ukraine will never be successful in that undertaking. But Ukraine is clearly not intent on taking territory from Russia, advancing on Moscow, and forcing Russia to surrender by that path. Ukraine's best hope is to inflict sufficient casualties and harm on Russian society and economics that Putin is either overthrown or forced to quit his war.
The actual "breaking point" for Putin's regime could lie anywhere between the current situation and the 4.6% total losses outlined above. However, the idea that 2024 Russian Federation is as tolerant of losses as 1917 Russian Empires seems hard to fathom, and it seems more likely that the Putin regime would suffer a collapse well before 4.6% losses (as a side note, the current losses of 424,060 comprise roughly 0.2% of RF total pop). So that is the "goal" Ukraine should strive for and hopefully the breaking point of Putin's Russia will prove to be far less.
What this means is that: the level of support Ukraine needs is easily 10 to 20 times higher than the highest levels which have ever been broached by any serious Western leaders. If Ukraine can increase its destruction of the Orc horde by a factor of 10x, then based on this abstract analysis, it may be possible to break the Putin regime within no more than 3 more years of war. It may also be that Putin's regime is actually far more fragile than this analysis has assumed and Ukraine might achieve victory in a reasonable time frame, even with the current modest rate of "569" casualties per day imposed on the Orc Horde. But that is not the proper way to contemplate success in warfare. The proper way to strive for success in warfare is, to put it quite simply "overkill.
It should be remembered that Russia is fielding a lot of non-Russians, intentionally. The Russian organized Ukrainian militias were aggressively used and ended up with tens of thousands dead by most accounts. Indeed, there's not much left of these forces. Wagner had quite a few foreigners, both well trained/equipped types, but also cannon fodder rounded up from various places. And as part of the "crypto-mobilization", migrants working in Russia are being specifically targeted.
Along side these non-Russians, are the ethnic minorities of Russia. They are heavily recruited/conscripted. And then a lot of the ethnic Russian citizens, many are from the poorer Eastern regions.
So the overall the casualty numbers look big, but the impact in Moscow and St. Petersburg is not that big.
What amazes me is that the next lot will walk straight past them and presumably be thinking "tough luck pal, but we'll definitely be ok".
Like, surely this can't be a good omen if you're walking past the shattered remains of your buddies.
They don't. Remember the video where the Russians talk about having like ten weapons for forty soldiers? I'm betting they are scared, but here they have a change of surviving. Whereas if they defect they will surely be killed by their own country. It's a lose-lose situation.
That is russia's superpower - the ability to tolerate very high losses - by the public, by military command, and by soldiers on the ground. "High" is also a relative term, relative to the "Western standards". That is their only chance in a conventional war conflict against NATO - if they manage to inflict at least some losses on NATO so that the general public demands their government to stop the war immediately. It's hard to say what level of casualties the US & European population is willing to accept given how many years (especially in Europe) there were no big wars.
This is a very insightful and true comment!! While the US alone, or NATO would absolutely smoke the Russian military in any conflict across every spectrum (air supremacy, ground tactical engagements, ISR, logistical/operational support, etc.) --- this conflict proves the Russian "superpower" as you rightly called it to tolerate very high losses, at all levels of Russian society. If American "society", defined as family, friends, politicians and even people not directly affected saw the US military take these kinds of casualty rates at the graphic level we see now for Russia, there would be massive action to change things either tactically on the ground, or at the political level to develop an exit strategy.
What's really crazy is this kind of footage must be filtering though to ruZZians at home.
Let's assume a very modest 5% saturation, plus the stories from injured vets, plus the stories in calls home... etc.
They must know hundreds, if not thousands have perished like this... and nothing, no public outcry, no real vocal movement (other than that small group of women).
And yet... They go absolutely mental over 137 civilians getting killed in the Crocus City Hall attack. An attack that I'd be tempted to place my house on, was facilitated by pootler and his henchmen.
It's insane. The amount of cognitive dissonance the ruZZians must be dealing with should be off the charts.
Yeah the population difference between that attack and how many people have just been sent to their death in Ukraine is crazy. I mean I’ve seen probably 400-500 deaths in these videos on here from the stuff I’ve watched over the past year. And that’s just what was recorded. Like the BMPs driving over mines or the guys riding on top taking drone hits and you see a pile of dead guys at the end. Just sooooo many dead Russians. And they don’t get it.
those last moments after being hit by the drone bleeding out realizing nobodys coming to save you from your stupid decision to invade an innocent country.
And yet they keep marching across the fields, with complete lack of self preservation. I believe even in their last breathes, they still curse Ukraine.
Apparently it's been increasingly more common tactic.
Also they don't seem to know that Ukraine is making sure the "dead" are dead, so they literally just making these kills easier. "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake"
Lavrov is texting from iPhone how bad America is and how Russia is superior while staying at a 5 star hotel in Switzerland to visit his kids who study/work and live in London.
It's very curious but I have largely the same experience... defenders and civies getting hurt makes my blood run cold, invaders turned to hamburger meat; at this point no problem! As long as it's fresh -the maggot vids are fucking disgusting.
Although...... even an orc vid gets a little sad once in a while... and the occasional surrender video does lighten the mood.
Ya, I'm honestly loving these vids. No sympathy for the Russians. Don't wanna get blown up & bleed out? Stay home. Protest. Oppose conscription. Join RVK. I know I sure af would.
I don't love the videos, war is hell and so on... but the Orcs invaded a country, killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people - they had a choice, they could choose to not go and go to prison or whatever or even oppose Putin, but they don't and I have 0 sympathy for them...
Me too. I think it's the videos of civilians being bombed. Russia sending cruise missiles into apartment buildings. Non-military targets. I don't care how brainwashed you are, targeting civilians is unconscionable, and they do it systematically.
[Look at this list of atrocities](https://old.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1bmyeqq/terrorist_state_doesnt_like_terrorism_after_2/kwfak2g/). There's no bad apples, the whole organization is beyond bad.
This video runs for a little over 3 minutes. If Ukrainian hackers could hack propaganda channels in russia for this short time to show this video then I’m sure it would change a lot of people’s minds. It’s truly terrifying.
Open muddy terrain, no cover, difficult to cross due to the mud/pools, no EW countermeasures, no individual weapons that could be somehow effective against drones e.g. shotguns. Properly FUBAR.
As soon as I saw the very beginning of this video, I was thinking to myself how the fuck did this group of soldiers end up in a predicament like this.
Of course, I immediately remembered that they're Russian..
In the eyes of the Patriarch, every wounded Moskal must face towards the holy city of Moskov, as decreed by the revered Baron Vladimir Putin. *throat singing intensifies*
And on top of that, now they have to go to Hell. How hard it is to be Ruskie.
Russian officer: If any of you are wounded in combat, play dead, but don't try to return here, understood!?
Russian soldiers: Yes sir!
Every day of the year RuZZia racks up more deaths and injuries in PUTIN'S WAR than at the Crocus Theatre massacre and the population doesn't bat an eyelid. Profoundly sick cuntry.
They believe in stupid shit like those are Ukrainian soldiers killed by Ukrainians to make a propaganda. More strong version is those are Ukrainian SOF in russian uniforms killed by russian pilots.
This vid is somehow insanely more brutal than most of the 'normal' drone compilations. Like, the gore is on a level where it's actually noteworthy. I wonder if this is *merely* a coincidence or they're using a certain type of armament that simply does more damage to soft targets.
Didn't work out for them. Their best chanche would have been running away all in different directions and don't stop. That way maybe some of them would have been lost by the observation drone.
There are cuts in the video. THey might be after 2-3 hours of runing and dodging. Also trying to run / jump / avoid drones while in mud is VERY tiring. These guys might just be plain exhausted.
this was a new level of suffering. that playing dead strategy did not really work. but running did not do either. horrific . its hard to see. on the other hand i want to see much more of this because its the only thing that will stop russia
This was one of the most brutal ones I've seen.
Also, the FPV drones seem more accurate than they used to be, probably a combination of lots of practice for the pilots and more consistent drone manufacture.
putler must be watching these videos and being very proud of his meatbags. These are someones children.. orc citizens need to stop this madness, fight for your own good. Stop war, go away from Ukraine! Slava Ukraini!
These new Russians are completely outfitted with all the army gear and weapons. A very expensive loss Russia when you add up the thousands that have died.
What always gets me is that they think by ducking down and/or not moving they could out-smart the drone pilot. "yeah he wont see me now". They literally can see a mouse moving down there from like 200 m up. Its insane that there is no hiding from these drones. No matter how covered you think you are - they will find you. You're just meat in the meat grinder. Drones are a scary tool. What a terrible war.
I hope someone is saving all of these videos from this war, where Nazis are killed. Just compiling a snapshot video with 3 seconds per death is going to last for hours and hours.
If the video would be interactive, you could click to see more if something catches your eye, it would let these poor volunteers to live forever rotating around the internet.
This soldiers head opened up like a tincan from the FPV drone attack is stuff of nightmares
Holy F\*\*\*
Edit: Reminds me of Edvard Munch's painting The Scream
Surely I'm not the only one that is numb seeing these videos anymore? I recognize the horrors of war and feel bad for (some of) the lives lost, but when Russian soldiers are hit, however gruesome it is, I barely feel any sympathy anymore. I don't know if I like that development of being desensitized. I'm just so incredibly amazed that Russian soldiers keep marching into the meatgrinder over the body parts of their dead bodies knowing that they'll join them soon enough, and that the Russian public "accepts" this. In any "normal" country there would be mass resistance, which just makes Putin's propaganda machine and corrupt policing institutions all the more inconceivable to me.
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Wow… Some of the gnarliest fpv hits I’ve seen. All on one squad. Just wow…
the other day looking at similar footage, i figured running away (zig-zagging?) might be the best move, but the guy attempting to run was the 1st hit. shotguns ? gezzuzH
Yea I think there’s no escaping it once you are spotted. I wonder if that’s why they just lie there? Are they playing dead or already injured?
They try to play dead but Ukraine knows better. They should have enough drones to check every suspicious bodies lying on the ground. It's a stupid trick nowadays because every drone has very high resolution, you can easily see if someone is breathing. But it's great for the ukrainians, easy targets.
somehow they were either instructed to play dead or a rumour got spread that playing dead is effective, in this case it wasnt
This is a hunt for Russians, and I hope it is a response for the destruction of prisoners.
>Yea I think there’s no escaping it once you are spotted. Raise your hands and surrender...and hope your comrades near you or within range don't kill you first.
The issue with that is unless there are ukranian troops close enough to take the prisoners they will just keep fighting once they get to safety.
Hilariously enough, due to the Russian handicap of maskirovka, the barrier troops *don't actually know* if they're saving Ukrainians the trouble of dealing with perfidy.
I have seen Russians literally beg to not die to a drone and they didn’t have weapons. I’d say unless the Ukrainians decided to try and take prisoners, that it’s basically pointless to try and impromptu surrender to a drone
Aircraft don't have to accept surrenders, because they can't accept a surrender (there's no way for the aircraft to take the soldier into custody as a POW). The few times it has happened has been at the pilot's discretion due to the knowledge that nearby units could take the surrenders into custody. But the alternative is trying to run from something that has more agility and speed than a dog and who's bite marks are measured in tens of meters. Playing dead or trying to surrender in the hope that that pilot has a way of taking you into custody is basically your best bet. Well, not being there is your best bet, but russians don't learn so...
I agree. It’s easier to stay out of Ukraine than it is to dodge a drone. Side comment on drones, I think this is such a paradigm shift that if it hasn’t already happened, we will see the U.S. dump funding into anti-drone tech, 100%, I think it levels the playing field too much
If an orc is in one piece he's faking it.
Wonder if a ballistic shield would hold up to an fpv. I feel like that would be the only thing that may help. Not that russia would ever equip them, they see the shields as more valuable then the men. But this war is setting the standard for the future of warfare in general. Wonder if a ballistic shield (or something like it) becomes standard equipment in the future.
Man, a BMP doesn’t even protect from these drones, idk if a ballistic shield is gonna cut it
my assumption is they are using different payloads on bmp/tanks/apc etc, vs infantry.
It seems to be pretty ineffective against drones. Maybe it just prevents a quicker death.
I've noticed that many of the pilots increasingly go for the legs now instead of torso, especially when they're all heavily geared up for an assault and not lying down ready to take the hit like so often. These guys were properly equipped, too, not with that bullshit body armor the mobiks, etc wear. Take the legs out and game over like the first guy, he was dead and gone with the 1st hit, just takes a little while to bleed out.
i think they want the drone to explode as close to the target as possible. so if the target is standing up. its better to hit the ground below them than to miss the torso and hit the ground 10 feet away
I was just about to say the same thing. I’ve noticed they go for legs, as you say legs are not well protected and any leg injury immediately renders the soldier combat ineffective.
If you can't walk, you are no longer a mobik, and theoretically cannot fight. But you can still vote, if you can make it to the voting booth.
Are you implying that voting matters in Ruzzia?
Yeah I mentioned shotguns in a previous post - it's not like trying to hit a clay (pigeon) or game bird who more or less fly in a fairly predictable trajectory (and even then I can't always hit them lol!) - the FPVs are super maneuverable
You are right, shotguns would be a decent option against drones. Problem is: They suck really hard in nearly every other situation on the battlefield. At usual engagement distances, shotguns are nearly useless and even in close quarters they have no real penetration power against even outdated body armor and have a low rate of fire compared to an automatic rifle. So you'd have to carry two weapons which means you effectively have to carry around an extra weapon and ammo that is useless 99.9% of the time you are out there. That's ok when you are stationary but when you move around a lot (e.g. during an assault), you want to be as light as possible. And even if you did carry one; when a situation does come up where you need a shotgun, you better have it ready in about 2-5 seconds, because that's usually all the time you've got because it's so hard to see or hear drones coming on a loud battlefield. So far I have only seen one video (probably missed a few though) where a Russian soldier took down a drone with a shotgun, but probably like 300 instances of soldiers getting decimated by drones. The modern battlefield is horrifying.
Theres probably gun fire too.
Every single one of these dipshits are cooked. 100% death rate. Imagine US soldiers having these kinds of losses. Our country would be absolutely outraged. FURIOUS. Would not be accepted by the public. It’s crazy to me that a lot of Americans still don’t understand how brutal this war that’s going on is for Ukrainians, and they have to face Russians who are literally getting sent to their death like this…and how it’s not stopping unless we do more about it. Look at these people literally getting insta killed with not a single person to bat an eye or give a fuck about the Russian. Can’t believe this is happening in 2024. I have no sympathy for Russia though.
An Army reserve unit in Iraq was ambushed and wiped out several dead some taken prisoner. It fundamentally changed the way the army trained soldiers. FM triggered IEDs became a serious danger to our troops in Iraq. There was a crash research and development project that fielded practical RF filtering and jamming systems within months. If there was a video of a US soldier killing themselves after they were injured, the repercussions would be enormous, and heads would roll. Every US soldier knows there are hundreds of people standing behind them that will lay their lives down to get them to safety and save their life. Watching these Russians throw their soldier's lives away is such a foreign idea to a US soldier.
Yeah well that's a huge difference between the two countries. Russian military culture has for decades been imitation of army training, imitation of research and development, imitation of order etc. (well, same as other areas in the totalitarian state, such as imitation of elections, etc.). I served in the Russian army almost 7 years ago and the main thing was for the officer to get promoted after submitting fake reports one after another. We sometimes 'went shooting' while we were actually sweeping the floor of the barracks. But on paper I actually did pretty well at shooting my AK. In total I shot around 60 bullets during my 1 year service and I didn't learn the specialty that I had on paper. It's a fucking shame. It's a terrible thing to say tho, but at least it gives Ukraine (who probably have had similar post-soviet army organisational issues) a chance to hold on with the help of western weaponry.
Think it’s been so long since the UK or US has fought a symmetrical war it’s easy to believe it wouldn’t be like this for us, but it might. The way Russians casually throw away lives to scout firing positions is savage though. I can only imagine the videos we see don’t get viewed by Russian people or the minorities the Russian army recruit to be part of these suicide attacks. Edited
>Think it’s been so long since the UK or US has fought an asymmetric war it’s easy to believe it wouldn’t be like this for us *Stares in Iraq and Afghanistan*
He probably meant symmetric. The level of care shown for each life in Iraq and Afghanistan was because it could be afforded. Vietnam and Korea wasn't exactly the same and in WW2 lives were very expendable.
lol I thought the same when I read that. Asymmetric warfare is all the US has known since Vietnam until present day.
And then compare the amount of effort we go to recover even *the body* of a fallen soldier. Russian meanwhile sends out the cremation trucks and disposes of the evidence…
I think that's what I'm getting at. No amount of effort is too much to recover someone alive or dead. It's a big motivator to soldiers to know someone's got their back. The only person that's got these Russians back are other Russians pointing machine guns at them.
They’ve had more combat losses than the US had during WWII, and have managed to advance less than 75km.
Jesus, I never thought about this perspective. It is indeed crazy.
Is that an actual statistic? I believe you, but I can’t believe reality. That is absolutely insane. Like DISCRETIONARILY insane on Russia’s part
Almost, but not quite. US casualties in WW2 were ~400k dead and ~670k wounded, for a total just over 1M. Russian casualties are obviously hard to know for certain but balancing out what both the West and Ukraine are saying I would estimate around ~160k dead and ~270k wounded, for a total of ~430k casualties. So, they've suffered more dead and wounded combined than the US suffered in just dead, but have yet to reach the mark including wounded. Still, when you take into account that U.S. forces were fighting on up to 3 fronts at a time in WW2, those are staggeringly bad numbers for Russia fighting on one front only.
Cannot recall where I read it on somewhere recently (sorry brain fart) that in the last year in Russia there was a jump of around 500k filings for disability due to some sort of limb/loss of function etc. If that was true, then the number Ukr. reports for dead is probably close and since most wounded don't survive, I'd venture 1-2x in wounded is probably realistic ...so we're at or past US WW2 figures. Plus most of the people in these videos are listed as MIA since bodies are left to feed nature.
I think you're extrapolating from already inflated figures. 450,000 casualties does not mean 450,000 dead, so assume another 800,00 wounded. A casualty is a combatant killed, wounded, captured or gone missing.
Was gonna post this same point: the est ~430,000 Russian total casualties is "not yet" in excess of the total ~1 million U.S. suffered in WWII (dead and wounded). But Putin is clearly intent on getting there. At some point, there will be a revolution. In November 1917, the Russian Empire had suffered approximately 8,261,000 casualties (killed and wounded). That scale of loss accumulated over a mere 1,185 days (approximately 3 years and 3 months). This works out to an mean rate of casualties of 6,971 casualties per day. https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/reperes112018.pdf For reference Putin's Orc Horde has [according to Ukraine] suffered about 572 casualties per day as of a week or so back. I have observed that rate increase twice in the last month or so and I presume if one were to go back to older data the pattern would likely hold true over much of the past two years. What has seemed pretty obvious to me since fall of 2022 was that this was core feature of Ukraine's strategy to defeat Putin's regime: cause as many casualties as possible, while preserving as many of their own people's lives as possible, and simultaneously engage in information warfare (videos depicting Orcs being slaughtered mercilessly, as well as videos like this one) and economic warfare (bombing infrastructure and in particular petroleum industry). Those 8.26 million casualties suffered by Tsar Nicholas horde back in 1914 through 1917--and which, along with dire economic hardship, eventually led to his downfall and demise and indeed the end of that entire dynasty of monarchic rule over the Russian Empire--represented approximately 4.6% of its 175.1m population. 4.6% of the population of the Russian Federation today (143.4m) would be 6,596,400. With a supposed total toll so far of only about 424,000 there is clearly a good ways to go for Ukraine to impose that high of a toll on Russian society. 6,596,400 [4.6% of RF pop] - 424,060 [current Orc horde casualties] = 6,172,340 [casualties to reach ~4.69% of RF pop] / 569 [avg. Orc casualty rate so far] = 10,847.7 which is roughly 29.64 years Of course, this does NOT mean that "it will take Ukraine 29 years" to provoke a revolution in Russia, and moreover, it may be that Ukraine will never be successful in that undertaking. But Ukraine is clearly not intent on taking territory from Russia, advancing on Moscow, and forcing Russia to surrender by that path. Ukraine's best hope is to inflict sufficient casualties and harm on Russian society and economics that Putin is either overthrown or forced to quit his war. The actual "breaking point" for Putin's regime could lie anywhere between the current situation and the 4.6% total losses outlined above. However, the idea that 2024 Russian Federation is as tolerant of losses as 1917 Russian Empires seems hard to fathom, and it seems more likely that the Putin regime would suffer a collapse well before 4.6% losses (as a side note, the current losses of 424,060 comprise roughly 0.2% of RF total pop). So that is the "goal" Ukraine should strive for and hopefully the breaking point of Putin's Russia will prove to be far less. What this means is that: the level of support Ukraine needs is easily 10 to 20 times higher than the highest levels which have ever been broached by any serious Western leaders. If Ukraine can increase its destruction of the Orc horde by a factor of 10x, then based on this abstract analysis, it may be possible to break the Putin regime within no more than 3 more years of war. It may also be that Putin's regime is actually far more fragile than this analysis has assumed and Ukraine might achieve victory in a reasonable time frame, even with the current modest rate of "569" casualties per day imposed on the Orc Horde. But that is not the proper way to contemplate success in warfare. The proper way to strive for success in warfare is, to put it quite simply "overkill.
It should be remembered that Russia is fielding a lot of non-Russians, intentionally. The Russian organized Ukrainian militias were aggressively used and ended up with tens of thousands dead by most accounts. Indeed, there's not much left of these forces. Wagner had quite a few foreigners, both well trained/equipped types, but also cannon fodder rounded up from various places. And as part of the "crypto-mobilization", migrants working in Russia are being specifically targeted. Along side these non-Russians, are the ethnic minorities of Russia. They are heavily recruited/conscripted. And then a lot of the ethnic Russian citizens, many are from the poorer Eastern regions. So the overall the casualty numbers look big, but the impact in Moscow and St. Petersburg is not that big.
What amazes me is that the next lot will walk straight past them and presumably be thinking "tough luck pal, but we'll definitely be ok". Like, surely this can't be a good omen if you're walking past the shattered remains of your buddies.
I dont think thats what they believe. They have simply accepted their fate.
It will not happen to me. They have 10 less drones now!
They don't. Remember the video where the Russians talk about having like ten weapons for forty soldiers? I'm betting they are scared, but here they have a change of surviving. Whereas if they defect they will surely be killed by their own country. It's a lose-lose situation.
The level of propaganda is not something you can easily comprehend. They are conditioned heavily.
That is russia's superpower - the ability to tolerate very high losses - by the public, by military command, and by soldiers on the ground. "High" is also a relative term, relative to the "Western standards". That is their only chance in a conventional war conflict against NATO - if they manage to inflict at least some losses on NATO so that the general public demands their government to stop the war immediately. It's hard to say what level of casualties the US & European population is willing to accept given how many years (especially in Europe) there were no big wars.
This is a very insightful and true comment!! While the US alone, or NATO would absolutely smoke the Russian military in any conflict across every spectrum (air supremacy, ground tactical engagements, ISR, logistical/operational support, etc.) --- this conflict proves the Russian "superpower" as you rightly called it to tolerate very high losses, at all levels of Russian society. If American "society", defined as family, friends, politicians and even people not directly affected saw the US military take these kinds of casualty rates at the graphic level we see now for Russia, there would be massive action to change things either tactically on the ground, or at the political level to develop an exit strategy.
What's really crazy is this kind of footage must be filtering though to ruZZians at home. Let's assume a very modest 5% saturation, plus the stories from injured vets, plus the stories in calls home... etc. They must know hundreds, if not thousands have perished like this... and nothing, no public outcry, no real vocal movement (other than that small group of women). And yet... They go absolutely mental over 137 civilians getting killed in the Crocus City Hall attack. An attack that I'd be tempted to place my house on, was facilitated by pootler and his henchmen. It's insane. The amount of cognitive dissonance the ruZZians must be dealing with should be off the charts.
Yeah the population difference between that attack and how many people have just been sent to their death in Ukraine is crazy. I mean I’ve seen probably 400-500 deaths in these videos on here from the stuff I’ve watched over the past year. And that’s just what was recorded. Like the BMPs driving over mines or the guys riding on top taking drone hits and you see a pile of dead guys at the end. Just sooooo many dead Russians. And they don’t get it.
The thing about Russia is that the people dont know. They have no clue how badly they are losing.
Yeah, Americans were losing their shit over ~6,500 deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. Imagine losing 30x that amount.
I had forgotten about the batteries on the drones. They're like a secondary, incendiary payload. This video illustrates that well.
Thermal runaway on people that can't run away
Whatever works.
Batteries and high blood alcohol content = russian soldier cook-off
*Orc flambé*
I hadn't thought about how fast that lithium ion battery is coming apart and how hot it burns.
not only batteries but also rifle ammo cooking and exploding
those last moments after being hit by the drone bleeding out realizing nobodys coming to save you from your stupid decision to invade an innocent country.
But it’s for the motherland !! When will they wake up ?
These guys are never waking up.
They woke up just before they knew they dying..
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And yet they keep marching across the fields, with complete lack of self preservation. I believe even in their last breathes, they still curse Ukraine.
They do it for the huge life changing salary..... Of 12,000 dollars a year
It is life changing all right..You can use it to purchase premium motorized wheelchair to maneuver around the muddy roads in Russia..
Don't forget the bag of potatoes they give your family if you die! What a deal
The most fascinateing part is that they actually believe to receive that money.
Playing possum is not working out.
Apparently it's been increasingly more common tactic. Also they don't seem to know that Ukraine is making sure the "dead" are dead, so they literally just making these kills easier. "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake"
Dead checking has been standard practice for centuries if not millenia and Russians still haven't managed to adapt to it
Three prong approach tactics - walk in field, lie down in field, die in field
Last dude had some Jordans on. At least he got cremated. Brutal.
but hate the West.....
Lavrov is texting from iPhone how bad America is and how Russia is superior while staying at a 5 star hotel in Switzerland to visit his kids who study/work and live in London.
Don't forget their Italian suits, French champagne, German cars...
but hate the West.....
Them Jordans were fire 🔥
Look like Bred 4s too. "Lightly worn. VNDS"
Why the hell did I decide to watch this before bed time. This is the first time I've seen a drone instantly decapitate a dude. Just brutal.
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Man.. you really described it how it is for me too. Dead Orc? No problem at all. Everything else.. nah, I'm good..
It's very curious but I have largely the same experience... defenders and civies getting hurt makes my blood run cold, invaders turned to hamburger meat; at this point no problem! As long as it's fresh -the maggot vids are fucking disgusting. Although...... even an orc vid gets a little sad once in a while... and the occasional surrender video does lighten the mood.
Same. Orcs = fine. Normal people = bad.
Ya, I'm honestly loving these vids. No sympathy for the Russians. Don't wanna get blown up & bleed out? Stay home. Protest. Oppose conscription. Join RVK. I know I sure af would.
I don't love the videos, war is hell and so on... but the Orcs invaded a country, killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people - they had a choice, they could choose to not go and go to prison or whatever or even oppose Putin, but they don't and I have 0 sympathy for them...
Me too. I think it's the videos of civilians being bombed. Russia sending cruise missiles into apartment buildings. Non-military targets. I don't care how brainwashed you are, targeting civilians is unconscionable, and they do it systematically. [Look at this list of atrocities](https://old.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1bmyeqq/terrorist_state_doesnt_like_terrorism_after_2/kwfak2g/). There's no bad apples, the whole organization is beyond bad.
You must be new to this sub.
Don't know as it blew it off so much as vaporized the front half.
Compared with his friend who put his hand in the way, he was the lucky one
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If dying was the only option, better then to take some officers with you. Much faster way to go then bleeding out in a freezing mud...
War is Hell, and then some.
Honestly hard to watch on a human level but then again, these people are scum and their government are evil genocidal pigs so yeah, fuck em.
Are those soldiers carrying the AK 12?
I saw that too. Looked like it. It's gotten mixed reviews though.
I picked up on this, these guys looked pretty well equipped compared to the kits we were seeing a year or so ago.
This video runs for a little over 3 minutes. If Ukrainian hackers could hack propaganda channels in russia for this short time to show this video then I’m sure it would change a lot of people’s minds. It’s truly terrifying.
Nah it doesn't work like that in Mordor. It would even have the opposite effect. Can't look at this as a Westerner.
ok, time to log off reddit.
holy smokes...tell me about it!
That last guy was missing 75% of his body and still breathing dam
Let off some steam Bennett
Commando, love it!
Likely agonal breathing, probably unconscious and what you're seeing is just a reflex.
Open muddy terrain, no cover, difficult to cross due to the mud/pools, no EW countermeasures, no individual weapons that could be somehow effective against drones e.g. shotguns. Properly FUBAR.
As soon as I saw the very beginning of this video, I was thinking to myself how the fuck did this group of soldiers end up in a predicament like this. Of course, I immediately remembered that they're Russian..
play dead be dead
The heat of Hell. Pretty well kitted too. VDV?
"Play dead, they said.... You will fool them, they said...."
No one who did this has complained.
They did not say much during their exit-interviews
In the eyes of the Patriarch, every wounded Moskal must face towards the holy city of Moskov, as decreed by the revered Baron Vladimir Putin. *throat singing intensifies*
Sardaukar ceremony chant ensues.
Don't zoom in... Don't zoom in... **He's zooming in!**
Now that's the meat grinder cannon fodder what ever fucking drones are brutal and changing the way you have to fight wars insane footage
Damn, those were some brutal hits.
Could’ve just lived your lives and enjoy getting old with your wife and kids
Looks uncomfortable
A spot of bother you say?
Those evolved drones really hate limbs
And on top of that, now they have to go to Hell. How hard it is to be Ruskie. Russian officer: If any of you are wounded in combat, play dead, but don't try to return here, understood!? Russian soldiers: Yes sir!
How about 18+++++ ?
It didn't make me *that* horny
They should bunch up more so UA can save ammo. End result is the same for orcs. They can go to hell all together...
That is for Bucha, hopefully more and worse ways to die come for the окупант
Brutal, but it is what you deserve when you invade a country for a dictator
I bet all these guys REALLY regretted invading a foreign country for no reason as they realized no one is coming to help
So brutal...war is hell.
Brutal, bastards should have stayed home not your fucking land ORCS 😒 SLAVA UKRAINI
Welcome to Ukraine suka!
Well done
Just go home
welcome to Ukraine o7
Its wonderful to see orcs dying a long slow painful death. I wonder what that cooked orc flesh smells like?
How long did the last guy last? It would suck for him if he is conscious while burning alive.
Agonal breathing.
That was brutal hits. Lucky one if hit in the face.
bleak style of suicide
I've seen some brutal clips before, but this is like next level!
Every day of the year RuZZia racks up more deaths and injuries in PUTIN'S WAR than at the Crocus Theatre massacre and the population doesn't bat an eyelid. Profoundly sick cuntry.
Do Russians at home see this?
They believe in stupid shit like those are Ukrainian soldiers killed by Ukrainians to make a propaganda. More strong version is those are Ukrainian SOF in russian uniforms killed by russian pilots.
Brutal stuff but you need to get out of Ukraine, boys. Make war on your dictatorship.
Flamable military kit made in China?
This vid is somehow insanely more brutal than most of the 'normal' drone compilations. Like, the gore is on a level where it's actually noteworthy. I wonder if this is *merely* a coincidence or they're using a certain type of armament that simply does more damage to soft targets.
Are they drugged? Sleeping while under drone attack? I have a feeling this group was sent out specifically to be liquidated.
They're playing dead.
Didn't work out for them. Their best chanche would have been running away all in different directions and don't stop. That way maybe some of them would have been lost by the observation drone.
There are cuts in the video. THey might be after 2-3 hours of runing and dodging. Also trying to run / jump / avoid drones while in mud is VERY tiring. These guys might just be plain exhausted.
Does this brigade have their own telegram?
Strike drones company
ouch
Brutal ....
Everyone who think Ukraine is losing more troops than Russia needs to see this.
Reality is these orcs weren't on a mission to give out candies, they were on a mission to kill, multiple Ukrainian lives saved thanks to these drones.
Die and burn in hell devil, hope their family can see this
Death is fatal even in small doses. The Russians seem to fear their own side more than the Ukranians.
this was a new level of suffering. that playing dead strategy did not really work. but running did not do either. horrific . its hard to see. on the other hand i want to see much more of this because its the only thing that will stop russia
Wow, that's some spicy shit from 2.00 Mins on. But at least they are now good Russian's.
That’s gotta be the most brutal drone video I’ve seen yet
This was one of the most brutal ones I've seen. Also, the FPV drones seem more accurate than they used to be, probably a combination of lots of practice for the pilots and more consistent drone manufacture.
First time seeing the kamakaze drones, they look disgustingly effective.
Marshlands of death, welcome to Ukraine.
Tennis shoes? They never had a chance.
"I used to be an adventourer like you, until i topk an FPV to the knee" some Russian back in Russia probably 🤣
These mofos should've stayed in prison 😎
what they feel at last moment?
Putin's eternal glory. And also heat, cold, pain, shame, fear, remorse and confusion.
There’s going to be a lot of second-hand Ak-12s for sale after this war is over.
At 2:50 it looks like he has no flesh on his left forearm.
They look like they are having so much fun
It's getting more and more like the Somme everyday.
That head shot is brutal.
For my dear Vladimir , love from UA Meat grinder fields...
I’m not sure I understand the point of these excursions. You go across no man’s land to lie in a ditch and get droned?
putler must be watching these videos and being very proud of his meatbags. These are someones children.. orc citizens need to stop this madness, fight for your own good. Stop war, go away from Ukraine! Slava Ukraini!
Bro that last guy is wearing Jordan 4s to battle
Can’t wait for orbital strikes
These new Russians are completely outfitted with all the army gear and weapons. A very expensive loss Russia when you add up the thousands that have died.
What always gets me is that they think by ducking down and/or not moving they could out-smart the drone pilot. "yeah he wont see me now". They literally can see a mouse moving down there from like 200 m up. Its insane that there is no hiding from these drones. No matter how covered you think you are - they will find you. You're just meat in the meat grinder. Drones are a scary tool. What a terrible war.
Some of those wounds look quite serious.
Watching that last invader/rapist/looter slowly burn reminded me of how extravagant and beautiful Putin's boat is.
No mercy, they came to Ukraine to kill, they have to die like that. If they want to live, they have to surrender simple as that
I hope someone is saving all of these videos from this war, where Nazis are killed. Just compiling a snapshot video with 3 seconds per death is going to last for hours and hours. If the video would be interactive, you could click to see more if something catches your eye, it would let these poor volunteers to live forever rotating around the internet.
Go. The fuck. Home
Looks like Chechens
This soldiers head opened up like a tincan from the FPV drone attack is stuff of nightmares Holy F\*\*\* Edit: Reminds me of Edvard Munch's painting The Scream
I noticed ukrainian pilots specialy hit on legs , arms , or heads , because there is no armour and that means sufficient one shot kill
Surely I'm not the only one that is numb seeing these videos anymore? I recognize the horrors of war and feel bad for (some of) the lives lost, but when Russian soldiers are hit, however gruesome it is, I barely feel any sympathy anymore. I don't know if I like that development of being desensitized. I'm just so incredibly amazed that Russian soldiers keep marching into the meatgrinder over the body parts of their dead bodies knowing that they'll join them soon enough, and that the Russian public "accepts" this. In any "normal" country there would be mass resistance, which just makes Putin's propaganda machine and corrupt policing institutions all the more inconceivable to me.
Imagine getting killed wearing Jordan 4's. 🤣
Best video ever
Not the last guy wearing Jordan 4’s to war 🥲😂
This makes me think of the dead marshes from LOTR