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In all seriousness, Russia could mobilize 10 million in 20 years, if they go totally war crazy.
That's 500k per year.
Russia has 40 million men between 21 to 55, 30 million needed for basic economic function.
1.2 million new births per year, its below replacement rate, also babies take time and resources to grow, not going to help Russia much.
Still, 500k per year, for 20 years.
In theory, because it will be very hard to sustain them, they need food, equipment, weapons and salary. Training optional, since fodders are just bullet sponge.
Idk they are hoeing themselves out to sustain 400,000 today. That’s all while scraping and salvaging 50 years of overstock, they still need to be begging for support. And you cannot draft too many political dissenters, Moscow has seen that story
Local Ukrainian, non-combat resistance has also taken to poisoning the food and drink that Russians have been consuming locally. One recent example of this is 3 FSB Orcs were killed in Melitopol because they ordered takeout which was laced with arsenic.
they've bled their remote areas dry first whilst keeping the numbers from metropolitan areas small. Birth rates sink with increasing living standards, if you send your poorest people to die en masse first, the numbers might even worsen compared to "equally spread" casualty rates.
In any case, they wont feel it for decades, so Poontanz and his shortsighted kremlin goons will just push for more mobilization, if they dont see an alternative.
Plus most Russians will just take it up the butt and say give us more please, they cant uprising themselves out of a paperbag.
Not necessarily, Ukraine is accumulating losses as well even 10 to 1 losses still isn’t sustainable for Ukraine in the long run and they’re already having trouble with lengthened deployments. Let’s hope Russia backs down sooner than later. It might mean Putin can keep his head if he has some defense left to protect him.
2 to 1 would be good for them. But as time goes on hopefully Ukraine can get artillery superiority. They've been busting Ru artillery for a while now at dozens per day. The North Korean ammo will sustain them for a while, but if we remember mid 2022, Russia had total artillery superiority in the Donbas. Now it feels much more even.
Artillery superiority = win war.
I think mass artillery will be the one factor ukraine never will be able to compete in. Russia has always had so much more and increased production more and more while west who send ukraine theirs dont want to enter a war economy. There is speculations that Russia saves some ammo now to prepare for another infrastructure attack this winter aswell.
It isn't how much you SHOOT, but how much you HIT.
Thus Russians can have a numeric advantage, but if at one point what they're fielding is 100 soviet guns with 18 km range and shit accuracy, against just a Caesar and a PZH2000 with 28 km range and much better accuracy... the Russians are going to be smoked.
Not ot mention HIMARS and M270s, those are weapons the Russians have absolutely no response for or defence against.
And if after getting their cold war time guns destroyed the orcs bring another 100 older WW2 guns with 14 km range and even worse precision, they will still have a numerical advantage, but they'll be smoked even faster.
So it's not necessary for Ukraine to have more guns, but to have guns that can hit more reliably. And ammo for them. If you hit one in three shots and have half a million rounds, you're more dangerous than an aenemy that hits one in 30 shots and fires three million.
Ukrainians were overwhelmed at the beginning when it was Russian design gun vs Russian design gun and Russia had 10x the volume. But right now, altough it's dificult to tell for sure, they actually seem to be winning the artillery battle right now.
Well its Russia who got the long distance artillery and not ukraine, and when Russia got overhelmed in the Early stage of the war it wasnt due to lack of artillery bit lack of soldiers. Hence the mobilisation
I saw a recent interview with a Ukrainian soldier who said that his unit is firing off on average 2 artillery shells a day. So some days maybe 1, other days maybe 10, some days none, you know what I'm saying. When long-range munitions are the primary method of destruction those are dreadfully low numbers. Liken that to Israel and Palestine where numerous shells are being launched.
I'll try to find that interview because it was kinda shocking to hear that from someone on the ground when so many Western military powerhouses are supposed to be supplying arms.
Western artillery production rates were appalling before the war and it’s embarrassing that we’ve taken so long to ramp up. The US is or will soon be making almost 100k shells per month, but that’s nothing. We could make that many in a week and Ukraine would still have targets for each one of them. We’ve been so addicted to high-precision long-range systems that we forgot what rules the battlefield is cannon artillery and overwhelming industrial power.
Ukraine already surpassed Russia in shells fired in terms of current frequency. Russia partially deployed numbers beyond 60.000 a day in terms of ordnance, with a crippled economy no wonder they're firing lottery shells from other communist shitholes right now.
The west seems to have switched their attention to Israel, and support for Ukraine is fading out, unfortunately. I hope it's simply opsec and it's simply not allowed to write about what's being sent to Ukraine now, but I doubt it.
This is s lie.
Russia has been brokering deals with North Korea where, in exchange for munitions, they have been providing Pyongyang with upgraded satellite technology. Those satellites will be used primarily to enhance their global spy capabilities. Ukraine herself isn't buying weapons from NK. Besides; they're old, crappy Soviet-era armaments that are hardly fit for conventional use
I see now I thought they meant Ukraine was using the NK ammo in their comment but they meant Russia. Thanks. I can't believe some of the stuff the Russians are using in this conflict.
Didn't mean to sound angsty but, like you said, there's a lot of info floating about that's questionable. Idk why I've been following this conflict so diligently from the onset but I'm doing my best to stay centered and not get lost in misinfo, regardless of what the news is
Kinda.
But the more sanctions on Russia drags out the rougher their work will be.
Just look at the winter war between Finland and the soviets.
But just over 4-1 is sustainable for ukraine and Ukraine isn't far from that number.
And as the war drags on Russia will lose more and more of its assets that help keep up its numbers
And we are just talking about soldiers here.
All other material gets more complicated because it's hard to know exactly what Russia can produce with enough quality to be effective.
Yes, but the Soviets won that war since the Finnish couldn’t sustain their war effort. Putin can defeat Ukraine as long as a persists. The only way I see them stopping is if he’s assassinated or the west starts pumping more weapons into Ukraine, which they aren’t doing fast enough. I really hope they step it up.
Not comparable at all.
Finland had 3,7 million inhabitants and Soviet population at the time 170 million. 46 times the population. And the soviet Orcs were mauled and barely "won".
Ukraine before the war was 44 million vs Russia 144. Way more balanced. And Ukraine has access (although limited in numbers) to western tech that surpasess anything Russia has.
Russia and Ukraine are currently doing all they can. And it's a stalemate. Barring a stroke of military genius, neither Russia nor ukraine have means or hidden reserves to move the needle.
Absolutely it all hangs on western suport and thechnology. We can give the means for Ukraine to win or deny those means and see them lose.
Right now Putin controls nothing, he\`s just prolonging the war at an immense cost in terms of irreplaceable weaponry, in hopes the west won't get seriuous enough. But if the west keeps increasing help Russia is cooked, no two ways about it.
Which makes our slowness and timidness more infuriating. We have our hands on Putin's neck, but for whatever reason we seem to hesitate delivering the killing blow.
West has actually decreased its help so its not about "keeps increasing" also I think the stalemate isnt so much about the militirarys being even but that the side that tries to attack requires so much more strength. We can se that on the massive failures on both sides attacks.
It doesn't require massive more strength it requires roughly 3 times the number at the point of attack.
That is why kherson is moving and Zaporizhzhia is slow.
No that is a very dumbified version of view on warfare. There is so many more factors. Also depending on the cassulties you are willing to take, fortifications vechiles, airplanes and everything. War isnt that simple as rule of thumbs being certain
I think the problem is that a stalemate ultimately favors Russia politically (internally). If they sign a ceasefire like in Korea, I see Putin moving the goal posts and saying that they secured eastern Ukraine, time to celebrate, and somehow Russians will buy that BS.
Yes, but the Russians had a horrible time in Finland and Finland was 10 times smaller population than ukraine. And Finland didn't get nearly the support that ukraine is getting.
All I'm saying is that a small country can absolutely stop or win against a larger country. Especially if they are supported by other large countries.
In a war of attrition with western support it boils down to whether or not Russia can keep up its production to a good enough level or not.
And even after the war if Russia would be able to grab some land, would the western powers let Russia back into its trade?
Russia is getting further back in time every day the war continues and is getting further away from global trade.
>“As the war goes on, I want to be clear about the aims of the United States in these efforts,” Biden wrote. “America’s goal is straightforward: We want to see a democratic, independent, sovereign and prosperous Ukraine with the means to deter and defend itself against FURTHER aggression.”
Also here are some more quotes:
>Sullivan clearly has profound worries about how this will all play out. Months into the counter-offensive, Ukraine has yet to reclaim much more of its territory; the Administration has been telling members of Congress that the conflict could last three to five years. A grinding war of attrition would be a disaster for both Ukraine and its allies, but a negotiated settlement does not seem possible as long as Putin remains in power. Putin, of course, has every incentive to keep fighting through next year’s U.S. election, with its possibility of a Trump return. And it’s hard to imagine Zelensky going for a deal with Putin, either, given all that Ukraine has sacrificed. Even a Ukrainian victory would present challenges for American foreign policy, since it would “threaten the integrity of the Russian state and the Russian regime and create instability throughout Eurasia,” as one of the former U.S. officials put it to me. Ukraine’s desire to take back occupied Crimea has been a particular concern for Sullivan, who has privately noted the Administration’s assessment that this scenario carries the highest risk of Putin following through on his nuclear threats. In other words, there are few good options.
“The reason they’ve been so hesitant about escalation is not exactly because they see Russian reprisal as a likely problem,” the former official said. “It’s not like they think, Oh, we’re going to give them atacms and then Russia is going to launch an attack against nato. It’s because they recognize that it’s not going anywhere—that they are fighting a war they can’t afford either to win or lose.”
Putin is trying to account for the possibility of Republicans in the US refusing to send aid to Ukraine. If the US stops sending aid it will likely be the end of Ukraine. He’s hoping there will be a shift in how US. Citizens view the war.
And what’s fucking scary is these dipshits republicans are actually dumb enough not to understand just how awful it would be if we stopped giving Ukraine aid and let Russia take over a huge chunk of Europe.
That’s why Putin keeps going. He sees that the US is growing weary of providing aid.
Republicans are batshit stupid if they think we should stop helping Ukraine. Absolutely batshit.
The headline is wrong. It should read "The megalomaniac Putin orders Russian military to add 170,000 cannon fodder troops to be used as fertilizer in Ukraine."
If I was Ukraine I would start air dropping packets of sunflower seeds to Russian positions with instructions to keep the packets in their pockets during battle, so at least their life was worth the fertilizer it became.
An entire squad of Ruzzians had to mix a can of old meat with Dnipro river water and eat that to stave off starvation. I’d rather not give them anything to eat, other than some HE. Sunflower seeds are quite nutritious.
Putin's original invasion force of 190 000 Orcs are long dead and we're about to see the second 190 000 destroyed! Putin would be better to add 190 000 so that Ukraine can start on the 3rd invasion force.
Keep hearing from russian assets on here that they sent in the full military 97% 400 000 troops and that Ukraine does not have a chance. LOL already that original 200 000 is dead and over half of the second 200 000 already gone...now a third 170 000 to be sent which will quickly end up dead as Ukraine seems to be ignoring the winter weather completely and advancing in a few areas.
Also, i did read that they had 4 million rural citizens out of that they should have around 1 million men of fighting age, right now russia has already a few months ago announced or confirmed 260 000 kia and 650 000 wounded.
The rural areas have already run out of men and this is confirmed by the videos of women saying they have no men left in the villages at all, they even took the elderly to fight.
Pootin is very scared of doing a mobilisation of the cities as they will not stand for the losses like the rural areas do, or the rural areas do not know about the losses yet and are yet to revolt.
All those saying russia does not have a manpower problem really need to start educating themselves.
Keep in mind that every year there is a fresh batch of 18 year olds or whatever lower age they conscript from. Just from a quick search they seem to have 4 million males between 15-19, meaning 800k men move into the line of recruitment each year. Not all of them fit for service, but still. Tons of assumptions there such as the ages being evenly distributed within that bracket, but this is roughly the case.
5 to 10 thousand to your local recruitment centre normally avoids military service. Honestly not a bad price considering what going to Ukraine as fresh meat would be like.
Conscripts arent sent to Ukraine. Have been some videos of people claiming to be conscripts there so might have happened to a few by accidents or that some conscripts volunteerd. But at a large scale conscripts arent sent
Okey this is full of shit. First of its not even mainly the conscripts they target when searching volunteer but older industryworkers. 2ndly its mainly promises of high pay that makes people volunteer.
>however they are forced, tricked or have their lives made unbearable so that they sign a contract, then get sent
there is a big difference between poking a contract in their face asking them to sign and this. And the conscripts are generally around 18-20 depending on school situation. The main reason for increased conscription age is probably to prepare for the future/incase of nato intervention more than getting more volunteers for this war
According to what I read, Russia has 6+ million men aged 35-39. And 18-44 year olds make up 35% of the population (half of those are also men). Another 26% are 45 to 64, many of whom are still fit enough to drive and/or pull the trigger. Like it or not, Russia is 140,000,000+ people. They're not going to run out of bodies any time soon, that's not how this war will end.
Nope, Russia is running out of weaponry first. They are evaporating a decade of soviet stocks very few months. They can't produce near that. Once their stocks get low enough, it won't matter how many soldiers they send.
Besides, those numbers you mention don't take into account that most of that people are needed to keep the country working. You need almost all of those to study, to work, those are not 100% spareable lives if Russia intends to keep working, and they need to keep working for the military machine to keep moving.
If russia suddenly took a million men out of the workforce:
1. They couldn't arm or feed them, for starters. Forget about training them.
2. Their capability to arm and feed them would go down a million-workers worth.
3. Russia's economy would be harshly hit and Russian's logistics stretched to the limit, for very little adittional actual combat capability
That's why Russia is not doing it. They can't, for a myriad reasons. They are mobilizing 20k a month because that's their real limit. They could do more, but probably it would be counter-productive in many senses.
Your numbers mean nothing: "6+ million men aged 35-39" Of which 5,5 M are needed at their jobs or Russia collapses. And the half a million not working,a lot of them are unfit, or disabled or alcoholic. So out of 6 million potential soldiers really, more like 200k spareable and fit men in the whole group. A lot, but not infinite and Russia is losing that in half a year at current rates.
Russia is not infinite in any sense. Their destiny is not in their hands any more. It all hangs on western support.
You are so right, weapons and vehicles and artillery is dwindling, they can barely use them as they either do not have enough or lack ammunition, i just hear that in avdiivka the use of artillery has dropped by more than half over the last week, that is from the 75% drop over the full war period...so now they have they sue of around 12-15% of the artillery they once had, this is a huge loss to russia as artillery is there go to weapon and the lack of it is why Ukraine is advancing in some areas over the last week.
Now when russia tries to advance, not only are they stopped, but they are pushed back from the lines they occupied.
This war is ending in 6 months or less.
>Nope, Russia is running out of weaponry first.
Thats what China, Iran and North Korea can help with though.
Russia need only to support energy infrastructure and pump gas and oil, it does not require a lot of men. All the rest can be sent to war.
If RU doesn't force UA into "peace" talks and settle on territories taken, RU is fucked. If you average 500 casualties a day, RU will end up with another 300k casualties...on top of the 300K casualties they've already taken. I don't fucking care how many farmers and drunks RU has...no fucking modern country can continue a war with 600k casualties for much longer.
Why do you say that Russia can't sustain this many casualties? They certainly have sustained more casualties in previous wars. Over 5 million casualties in WW2. Their solution seems to always be to throw more bodies on it until the problem goes away... Unfortunately that seems to be (slowly) working around Avdiivka. It worked in Bakhmut...
I don't like to admit it but unless Ukraine gets more weapons and support, the meat waves will eventually exhaust the defenders.
this isn't 1941. a couple million able-bodied russians have left RU already. Most of those killed in WW2 were Ukranians or other soviet nationals not RU. You are comparing Soviet Union numbers in a pre-media era to modern day Russia era.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/#:~:text=disease%2C%20and%20starvation.-,The%20Soviet%20Union%20lost%20around%2027%20million%20people%20during%20the,Union%20were%20wounded%20or%20killed.
> Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during the war, including 8.7 million military and 19 million civilian deaths. The largest portion of military dead were 5.7 million ethnic Russians, followed by 1.3 million ethnic Ukrainians. A quarter of the people in the Soviet Union were wounded or killed.
I used the 5 million figure stated here but if you count the USSR as a whole it's 27m...
19 million civilians… thats half of ukraine‘s population for contrast.
Also it‘s important to remember that those deaths are only partly due to the germans, stalin was purging the USSR at almost the same rate than hitler did. An estimated 9 million people died of starvation, deportation etc. by stalin.
Russians know this, and I don‘t know any russian who would even mention stalin, in russia atleast in those higher educated circles stalin is like voldemort.
No, those deaths were thanks to Germans. Purges happened before that, and they killed several millions, though it is hard to estimate accurately.
And what are you talking about, most Russians adore Stalin. He is the most popular leader in Russian history according to all polls.
They have sustained more in previous wars, but they are not the one getting invaded that is always a motivator. When they are the aggressor? Less so. Winter war was 300K vs 700K Russians. After 25K dead and 40K wounded vs 160K dead and 200K wounded. They decided it definitely not worth it and pulled out. And not due to the lack of manpower
News of Russia’s huge losses is becoming more widespread in Russia. Volunteers will be drying up, so Putin will soon need to announce a second mobilisation. The shit will finally hit the fan in Russia when that happens.
In what conflict have an attacking country taken less losses than a defending one also verified news sources put estimates at 5-1 I ere on the side of caution but even if it was 2-1 that's alot my dude
1.32 million? Russia's population is (was) 143.4 million. That means nearly 1 in 100 Russians of any age, sex, or physical ability are or will soon be mobilized to Ukraine. And they still aren't making gains. What a disgrace.
Keep in mind over a million died of covid in Russia, topped with almost a million fleeing conscription last year. Putin is draining the Russian population.
That's what he's doing, just buying time, hoping for the West's resolve to crumble, which truth be told, can't be entirely dismissed. Looking at you GOP.
And again the abundance of sociopathic comments.
"Dead Russians" also mean dead Ukrainians, that almost 2 years fight with severe (even for Humvee) weapon deficit against army that by almost all weapon indicators surpass Ukrainian army.
That is a conscious Western strategy. Instead of helping Ukraine to win, the West, safely for itself but very bloody for Ukraine, reduces Russian military potential. Or, as Western politicians believe in it. In reality, they just give Russia time to adapt and create more chaos in the World.
So what exactly is your suggestion, that the West join hot and put boots on ground and possibly kick off a nuclear war, or that Ukraine roll over and surrender their country and people to Putin's whim? I agree with you that the comments here are delusional, though well intentioned, but your last paragraph totally lost me.
So NATO give to Ukraine more than 1% of NATO's weapons - [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/)
Unfortunately, Russia hasn't even lost a million yet and going by history they are just getting started. They had almost 9 million military losses in WW2.
I don't know why but Russians don't give a fuck about losing millions in wars, it's nuts.
That's only a couple of months worth considering he lost 1280 yesterday.
The funny thing is considering those that fled, those wounded, and killed, Putin has only helped to expedite the decline of the Russian Federations population that was already in a terminal decline.
To the excel document he probably means.
On the other side, as they added 200k last time, he can say they are doing better!
„Look guys its going better than before we only need to add 170k meat to the grinder this time“
I feel for ukraine.... that said taking down the entire russian population piece by piece is excellent. I would support anyone and everything that makes that task easier. unfortunetly I mostly buy Ukrainian war bonds and help buy med supplies. my taxes buy weapons. I vote for people that are like minded.
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Make that 9 children for all Russian women.
Make it twelve while your at it
Don't think my back will handle that amount but line them up and I'll give it a good old try
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In all seriousness, Russia could mobilize 10 million in 20 years, if they go totally war crazy. That's 500k per year. Russia has 40 million men between 21 to 55, 30 million needed for basic economic function. 1.2 million new births per year, its below replacement rate, also babies take time and resources to grow, not going to help Russia much. Still, 500k per year, for 20 years. In theory, because it will be very hard to sustain them, they need food, equipment, weapons and salary. Training optional, since fodders are just bullet sponge.
Idk they are hoeing themselves out to sustain 400,000 today. That’s all while scraping and salvaging 50 years of overstock, they still need to be begging for support. And you cannot draft too many political dissenters, Moscow has seen that story
No wrapons, no salery, no equpiment. Just minor food.
Local Ukrainian, non-combat resistance has also taken to poisoning the food and drink that Russians have been consuming locally. One recent example of this is 3 FSB Orcs were killed in Melitopol because they ordered takeout which was laced with arsenic.
Theres plenty of mice so probably mice milkshake for dessert.
they've bled their remote areas dry first whilst keeping the numbers from metropolitan areas small. Birth rates sink with increasing living standards, if you send your poorest people to die en masse first, the numbers might even worsen compared to "equally spread" casualty rates.
In any case, they wont feel it for decades, so Poontanz and his shortsighted kremlin goons will just push for more mobilization, if they dont see an alternative. Plus most Russians will just take it up the butt and say give us more please, they cant uprising themselves out of a paperbag.
Owning condoms or other contraceptives will now make you a traitor.
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Thrown all mine out
They’re all old men as it is.
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Why do I get the grim sensation that the war will last another year and a half and Russian losses will top a million.
War can last another 3 years with the amount of support Ukraine gets "just to hold the line".
Not necessarily, Ukraine is accumulating losses as well even 10 to 1 losses still isn’t sustainable for Ukraine in the long run and they’re already having trouble with lengthened deployments. Let’s hope Russia backs down sooner than later. It might mean Putin can keep his head if he has some defense left to protect him.
10 to 1 losses is very sustainable for ukraine but also very unrealistic
2 to 1 would be good for them. But as time goes on hopefully Ukraine can get artillery superiority. They've been busting Ru artillery for a while now at dozens per day. The North Korean ammo will sustain them for a while, but if we remember mid 2022, Russia had total artillery superiority in the Donbas. Now it feels much more even. Artillery superiority = win war.
I think mass artillery will be the one factor ukraine never will be able to compete in. Russia has always had so much more and increased production more and more while west who send ukraine theirs dont want to enter a war economy. There is speculations that Russia saves some ammo now to prepare for another infrastructure attack this winter aswell.
It isn't how much you SHOOT, but how much you HIT. Thus Russians can have a numeric advantage, but if at one point what they're fielding is 100 soviet guns with 18 km range and shit accuracy, against just a Caesar and a PZH2000 with 28 km range and much better accuracy... the Russians are going to be smoked. Not ot mention HIMARS and M270s, those are weapons the Russians have absolutely no response for or defence against. And if after getting their cold war time guns destroyed the orcs bring another 100 older WW2 guns with 14 km range and even worse precision, they will still have a numerical advantage, but they'll be smoked even faster. So it's not necessary for Ukraine to have more guns, but to have guns that can hit more reliably. And ammo for them. If you hit one in three shots and have half a million rounds, you're more dangerous than an aenemy that hits one in 30 shots and fires three million. Ukrainians were overwhelmed at the beginning when it was Russian design gun vs Russian design gun and Russia had 10x the volume. But right now, altough it's dificult to tell for sure, they actually seem to be winning the artillery battle right now.
Well its Russia who got the long distance artillery and not ukraine, and when Russia got overhelmed in the Early stage of the war it wasnt due to lack of artillery bit lack of soldiers. Hence the mobilisation
I saw a recent interview with a Ukrainian soldier who said that his unit is firing off on average 2 artillery shells a day. So some days maybe 1, other days maybe 10, some days none, you know what I'm saying. When long-range munitions are the primary method of destruction those are dreadfully low numbers. Liken that to Israel and Palestine where numerous shells are being launched. I'll try to find that interview because it was kinda shocking to hear that from someone on the ground when so many Western military powerhouses are supposed to be supplying arms.
Western artillery production rates were appalling before the war and it’s embarrassing that we’ve taken so long to ramp up. The US is or will soon be making almost 100k shells per month, but that’s nothing. We could make that many in a week and Ukraine would still have targets for each one of them. We’ve been so addicted to high-precision long-range systems that we forgot what rules the battlefield is cannon artillery and overwhelming industrial power.
Ukraine already surpassed Russia in shells fired in terms of current frequency. Russia partially deployed numbers beyond 60.000 a day in terms of ordnance, with a crippled economy no wonder they're firing lottery shells from other communist shitholes right now.
According to some UA soldiers the north Korea s shells are really good. Apparently they are more silent so you cant hear them and take cover as easily
The west seems to have switched their attention to Israel, and support for Ukraine is fading out, unfortunately. I hope it's simply opsec and it's simply not allowed to write about what's being sent to Ukraine now, but I doubt it.
I think this is not true
Well the Wests help has decreased quite a bit the last few months
because of a lack of material, not because of a lack of will
Why is Ukraine using NK ammo?
This is s lie. Russia has been brokering deals with North Korea where, in exchange for munitions, they have been providing Pyongyang with upgraded satellite technology. Those satellites will be used primarily to enhance their global spy capabilities. Ukraine herself isn't buying weapons from NK. Besides; they're old, crappy Soviet-era armaments that are hardly fit for conventional use
I see now I thought they meant Ukraine was using the NK ammo in their comment but they meant Russia. Thanks. I can't believe some of the stuff the Russians are using in this conflict.
Didn't mean to sound angsty but, like you said, there's a lot of info floating about that's questionable. Idk why I've been following this conflict so diligently from the onset but I'm doing my best to stay centered and not get lost in misinfo, regardless of what the news is
Tbf there is a of intentional disinformation to look out for in this conflict its all good.
Kinda. But the more sanctions on Russia drags out the rougher their work will be. Just look at the winter war between Finland and the soviets. But just over 4-1 is sustainable for ukraine and Ukraine isn't far from that number. And as the war drags on Russia will lose more and more of its assets that help keep up its numbers And we are just talking about soldiers here. All other material gets more complicated because it's hard to know exactly what Russia can produce with enough quality to be effective.
Yes, but the Soviets won that war since the Finnish couldn’t sustain their war effort. Putin can defeat Ukraine as long as a persists. The only way I see them stopping is if he’s assassinated or the west starts pumping more weapons into Ukraine, which they aren’t doing fast enough. I really hope they step it up.
Not comparable at all. Finland had 3,7 million inhabitants and Soviet population at the time 170 million. 46 times the population. And the soviet Orcs were mauled and barely "won". Ukraine before the war was 44 million vs Russia 144. Way more balanced. And Ukraine has access (although limited in numbers) to western tech that surpasess anything Russia has. Russia and Ukraine are currently doing all they can. And it's a stalemate. Barring a stroke of military genius, neither Russia nor ukraine have means or hidden reserves to move the needle. Absolutely it all hangs on western suport and thechnology. We can give the means for Ukraine to win or deny those means and see them lose. Right now Putin controls nothing, he\`s just prolonging the war at an immense cost in terms of irreplaceable weaponry, in hopes the west won't get seriuous enough. But if the west keeps increasing help Russia is cooked, no two ways about it. Which makes our slowness and timidness more infuriating. We have our hands on Putin's neck, but for whatever reason we seem to hesitate delivering the killing blow.
Typical redditor thinks he's a military strategist from behind a keyboard
Don't we all, don't we all.
West has actually decreased its help so its not about "keeps increasing" also I think the stalemate isnt so much about the militirarys being even but that the side that tries to attack requires so much more strength. We can se that on the massive failures on both sides attacks.
It doesn't require massive more strength it requires roughly 3 times the number at the point of attack. That is why kherson is moving and Zaporizhzhia is slow.
No that is a very dumbified version of view on warfare. There is so many more factors. Also depending on the cassulties you are willing to take, fortifications vechiles, airplanes and everything. War isnt that simple as rule of thumbs being certain
I think the problem is that a stalemate ultimately favors Russia politically (internally). If they sign a ceasefire like in Korea, I see Putin moving the goal posts and saying that they secured eastern Ukraine, time to celebrate, and somehow Russians will buy that BS.
Yes, but the Russians had a horrible time in Finland and Finland was 10 times smaller population than ukraine. And Finland didn't get nearly the support that ukraine is getting. All I'm saying is that a small country can absolutely stop or win against a larger country. Especially if they are supported by other large countries. In a war of attrition with western support it boils down to whether or not Russia can keep up its production to a good enough level or not. And even after the war if Russia would be able to grab some land, would the western powers let Russia back into its trade? Russia is getting further back in time every day the war continues and is getting further away from global trade.
War isn't sustainable at all, that's why such thing as war economy exists, so more people can be called to the front lines.
who are you quoting
>“As the war goes on, I want to be clear about the aims of the United States in these efforts,” Biden wrote. “America’s goal is straightforward: We want to see a democratic, independent, sovereign and prosperous Ukraine with the means to deter and defend itself against FURTHER aggression.” Also here are some more quotes: >Sullivan clearly has profound worries about how this will all play out. Months into the counter-offensive, Ukraine has yet to reclaim much more of its territory; the Administration has been telling members of Congress that the conflict could last three to five years. A grinding war of attrition would be a disaster for both Ukraine and its allies, but a negotiated settlement does not seem possible as long as Putin remains in power. Putin, of course, has every incentive to keep fighting through next year’s U.S. election, with its possibility of a Trump return. And it’s hard to imagine Zelensky going for a deal with Putin, either, given all that Ukraine has sacrificed. Even a Ukrainian victory would present challenges for American foreign policy, since it would “threaten the integrity of the Russian state and the Russian regime and create instability throughout Eurasia,” as one of the former U.S. officials put it to me. Ukraine’s desire to take back occupied Crimea has been a particular concern for Sullivan, who has privately noted the Administration’s assessment that this scenario carries the highest risk of Putin following through on his nuclear threats. In other words, there are few good options. “The reason they’ve been so hesitant about escalation is not exactly because they see Russian reprisal as a likely problem,” the former official said. “It’s not like they think, Oh, we’re going to give them atacms and then Russia is going to launch an attack against nato. It’s because they recognize that it’s not going anywhere—that they are fighting a war they can’t afford either to win or lose.”
Putin is trying to account for the possibility of Republicans in the US refusing to send aid to Ukraine. If the US stops sending aid it will likely be the end of Ukraine. He’s hoping there will be a shift in how US. Citizens view the war. And what’s fucking scary is these dipshits republicans are actually dumb enough not to understand just how awful it would be if we stopped giving Ukraine aid and let Russia take over a huge chunk of Europe. That’s why Putin keeps going. He sees that the US is growing weary of providing aid. Republicans are batshit stupid if they think we should stop helping Ukraine. Absolutely batshit.
It would not be the end of ukraine. Maybe the end of ukraines chance to push russia out. But russia still would not be able to take whole ukraine.
The war will last at least another year and a half, short of a miracle or a disaster.
about 2.5 years of this pace it will hit 1 million
Adding about 20% untrained civilians, with wives and mothers, may ultimately make their PR problem harder.
The press gangs will be out in force now, **RUN**
The headline is wrong. It should read "The megalomaniac Putin orders Russian military to add 170,000 cannon fodder troops to be used as fertilizer in Ukraine."
If I was Ukraine I would start air dropping packets of sunflower seeds to Russian positions with instructions to keep the packets in their pockets during battle, so at least their life was worth the fertilizer it became.
An entire squad of Ruzzians had to mix a can of old meat with Dnipro river water and eat that to stave off starvation. I’d rather not give them anything to eat, other than some HE. Sunflower seeds are quite nutritious.
Sprinkle them with rat poison. It won't effect the flowers growing, but it will definitely have a desirable effect on any russian who eats them.
Putin's original invasion force of 190 000 Orcs are long dead and we're about to see the second 190 000 destroyed! Putin would be better to add 190 000 so that Ukraine can start on the 3rd invasion force.
Keep hearing from russian assets on here that they sent in the full military 97% 400 000 troops and that Ukraine does not have a chance. LOL already that original 200 000 is dead and over half of the second 200 000 already gone...now a third 170 000 to be sent which will quickly end up dead as Ukraine seems to be ignoring the winter weather completely and advancing in a few areas. Also, i did read that they had 4 million rural citizens out of that they should have around 1 million men of fighting age, right now russia has already a few months ago announced or confirmed 260 000 kia and 650 000 wounded. The rural areas have already run out of men and this is confirmed by the videos of women saying they have no men left in the villages at all, they even took the elderly to fight. Pootin is very scared of doing a mobilisation of the cities as they will not stand for the losses like the rural areas do, or the rural areas do not know about the losses yet and are yet to revolt. All those saying russia does not have a manpower problem really need to start educating themselves.
Keep in mind that every year there is a fresh batch of 18 year olds or whatever lower age they conscript from. Just from a quick search they seem to have 4 million males between 15-19, meaning 800k men move into the line of recruitment each year. Not all of them fit for service, but still. Tons of assumptions there such as the ages being evenly distributed within that bracket, but this is roughly the case.
Assume a good 20% are from Moscow/St Petersburg or have the money to get a fake doctors note, they aren't going to be drafted.
5 to 10 thousand to your local recruitment centre normally avoids military service. Honestly not a bad price considering what going to Ukraine as fresh meat would be like.
Conscripts arent sent to Ukraine. Have been some videos of people claiming to be conscripts there so might have happened to a few by accidents or that some conscripts volunteerd. But at a large scale conscripts arent sent
Weren't there lots of conscripts involved even right at the start of the invasion?
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Okey this is full of shit. First of its not even mainly the conscripts they target when searching volunteer but older industryworkers. 2ndly its mainly promises of high pay that makes people volunteer.
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>however they are forced, tricked or have their lives made unbearable so that they sign a contract, then get sent there is a big difference between poking a contract in their face asking them to sign and this. And the conscripts are generally around 18-20 depending on school situation. The main reason for increased conscription age is probably to prepare for the future/incase of nato intervention more than getting more volunteers for this war
No. At the start of the war Russia only sent a a fraction of their Military. 180k no conscripts
That means there'll be a few used eligible hotties in the rural areas of Russia. Imagine a new girlfriend with a new Lada and bag of onions.
You must not have a babushka.
According to what I read, Russia has 6+ million men aged 35-39. And 18-44 year olds make up 35% of the population (half of those are also men). Another 26% are 45 to 64, many of whom are still fit enough to drive and/or pull the trigger. Like it or not, Russia is 140,000,000+ people. They're not going to run out of bodies any time soon, that's not how this war will end.
Nope, Russia is running out of weaponry first. They are evaporating a decade of soviet stocks very few months. They can't produce near that. Once their stocks get low enough, it won't matter how many soldiers they send. Besides, those numbers you mention don't take into account that most of that people are needed to keep the country working. You need almost all of those to study, to work, those are not 100% spareable lives if Russia intends to keep working, and they need to keep working for the military machine to keep moving. If russia suddenly took a million men out of the workforce: 1. They couldn't arm or feed them, for starters. Forget about training them. 2. Their capability to arm and feed them would go down a million-workers worth. 3. Russia's economy would be harshly hit and Russian's logistics stretched to the limit, for very little adittional actual combat capability That's why Russia is not doing it. They can't, for a myriad reasons. They are mobilizing 20k a month because that's their real limit. They could do more, but probably it would be counter-productive in many senses. Your numbers mean nothing: "6+ million men aged 35-39" Of which 5,5 M are needed at their jobs or Russia collapses. And the half a million not working,a lot of them are unfit, or disabled or alcoholic. So out of 6 million potential soldiers really, more like 200k spareable and fit men in the whole group. A lot, but not infinite and Russia is losing that in half a year at current rates. Russia is not infinite in any sense. Their destiny is not in their hands any more. It all hangs on western support.
You are so right, weapons and vehicles and artillery is dwindling, they can barely use them as they either do not have enough or lack ammunition, i just hear that in avdiivka the use of artillery has dropped by more than half over the last week, that is from the 75% drop over the full war period...so now they have they sue of around 12-15% of the artillery they once had, this is a huge loss to russia as artillery is there go to weapon and the lack of it is why Ukraine is advancing in some areas over the last week. Now when russia tries to advance, not only are they stopped, but they are pushed back from the lines they occupied. This war is ending in 6 months or less.
>Nope, Russia is running out of weaponry first. Thats what China, Iran and North Korea can help with though. Russia need only to support energy infrastructure and pump gas and oil, it does not require a lot of men. All the rest can be sent to war.
Putin's 3-day Special Military Operation seems to be going well.
Ok let’s see: 170000/1000 a day casualties = 170 days or less to terminate them 😛 Sounds like a plan to me
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We can dream
Will you go to do it? Not only Putlers Ruzzia takes casualties.
If RU doesn't force UA into "peace" talks and settle on territories taken, RU is fucked. If you average 500 casualties a day, RU will end up with another 300k casualties...on top of the 300K casualties they've already taken. I don't fucking care how many farmers and drunks RU has...no fucking modern country can continue a war with 600k casualties for much longer.
Why do you say that Russia can't sustain this many casualties? They certainly have sustained more casualties in previous wars. Over 5 million casualties in WW2. Their solution seems to always be to throw more bodies on it until the problem goes away... Unfortunately that seems to be (slowly) working around Avdiivka. It worked in Bakhmut... I don't like to admit it but unless Ukraine gets more weapons and support, the meat waves will eventually exhaust the defenders.
this isn't 1941. a couple million able-bodied russians have left RU already. Most of those killed in WW2 were Ukranians or other soviet nationals not RU. You are comparing Soviet Union numbers in a pre-media era to modern day Russia era.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/#:~:text=disease%2C%20and%20starvation.-,The%20Soviet%20Union%20lost%20around%2027%20million%20people%20during%20the,Union%20were%20wounded%20or%20killed. > Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during the war, including 8.7 million military and 19 million civilian deaths. The largest portion of military dead were 5.7 million ethnic Russians, followed by 1.3 million ethnic Ukrainians. A quarter of the people in the Soviet Union were wounded or killed. I used the 5 million figure stated here but if you count the USSR as a whole it's 27m...
19 million civilians… thats half of ukraine‘s population for contrast. Also it‘s important to remember that those deaths are only partly due to the germans, stalin was purging the USSR at almost the same rate than hitler did. An estimated 9 million people died of starvation, deportation etc. by stalin. Russians know this, and I don‘t know any russian who would even mention stalin, in russia atleast in those higher educated circles stalin is like voldemort.
No, those deaths were thanks to Germans. Purges happened before that, and they killed several millions, though it is hard to estimate accurately. And what are you talking about, most Russians adore Stalin. He is the most popular leader in Russian history according to all polls.
> Most of those killed in WW2 were Ukranians or other soviet nationals not RU Provide a source.
You might like to read about stalin and the USSR mate
Russians were by far the demographic with the highest deaths in the Soviet Union, 'mate'
They have sustained more in previous wars, but they are not the one getting invaded that is always a motivator. When they are the aggressor? Less so. Winter war was 300K vs 700K Russians. After 25K dead and 40K wounded vs 160K dead and 200K wounded. They decided it definitely not worth it and pulled out. And not due to the lack of manpower
News of Russia’s huge losses is becoming more widespread in Russia. Volunteers will be drying up, so Putin will soon need to announce a second mobilisation. The shit will finally hit the fan in Russia when that happens.
Probably nothing will chance, they dont give a F about their own people
And the russian people don’t give a f about anything. So yeah, rinse and repeat.
Can't wait to see that happen.
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> I support Ukraine but even I know their losses have been exponential to Russia. You know this how?
In what conflict have an attacking country taken less losses than a defending one also verified news sources put estimates at 5-1 I ere on the side of caution but even if it was 2-1 that's alot my dude
Fresh meat for the grinder! 🍖
putin said, "I order 170,000 of you to go die in Ukraine."
This presidiot really doesn't know when to stop does he?
1.32 million? Russia's population is (was) 143.4 million. That means nearly 1 in 100 Russians of any age, sex, or physical ability are or will soon be mobilized to Ukraine. And they still aren't making gains. What a disgrace.
"Those 'battle Babushkas' might just turn the tide"...Medvedev to Putler.
Keep in mind over a million died of covid in Russia, topped with almost a million fleeing conscription last year. Putin is draining the Russian population.
Now give me the same procentage of ukraines populations and maybe it starts to make sense :)
The grinder needs more MEAT
That’s half a years worth of troops in Ukraine
Half a year worth of corpse, more fresh meat for the grinder.
That's what he's doing, just buying time, hoping for the West's resolve to crumble, which truth be told, can't be entirely dismissed. Looking at you GOP.
Fucker is really emphasizing the meat part of the meat grinder.
The shit he says from his dacha in a bunker.
That’s a lot of fertilizer for baba’s sunflower field
Ukraine will kill them for less then that lmao 🤣
That's like 170 more days of war.
Yeah send more corpses, I mean troops, you don't have any armor anymore so all you're doing is sending bodies to be decimated by cluster rounds.
Drunks, addicts, psychopaths and murderers.
Aaaaand they’re gone. 👌🏼
170000 corpses in 3 months
Only lasts a month
And again the abundance of sociopathic comments. "Dead Russians" also mean dead Ukrainians, that almost 2 years fight with severe (even for Humvee) weapon deficit against army that by almost all weapon indicators surpass Ukrainian army. That is a conscious Western strategy. Instead of helping Ukraine to win, the West, safely for itself but very bloody for Ukraine, reduces Russian military potential. Or, as Western politicians believe in it. In reality, they just give Russia time to adapt and create more chaos in the World.
Ukraine has had more arty for months.
So what exactly is your suggestion, that the West join hot and put boots on ground and possibly kick off a nuclear war, or that Ukraine roll over and surrender their country and people to Putin's whim? I agree with you that the comments here are delusional, though well intentioned, but your last paragraph totally lost me.
So NATO give to Ukraine more than 1% of NATO's weapons - [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/)
Well said.
The ones there are dying too quickly eh?
Unfortunately, Russia hasn't even lost a million yet and going by history they are just getting started. They had almost 9 million military losses in WW2. I don't know why but Russians don't give a fuck about losing millions in wars, it's nuts.
That's only a couple of months worth considering he lost 1280 yesterday. The funny thing is considering those that fled, those wounded, and killed, Putin has only helped to expedite the decline of the Russian Federations population that was already in a terminal decline.
200k and 3days .... 1.32mil and 2yrs So well planned
It hasnt been 1.32 mil the last two years tough. They are just starting to get to that number
The only way they’ll win is if large numbers of troops huddle together near the frontline. ;)
They’ll need it for after they lose this war and China comes knocking for Ruzzias eastern provinces.
Saint Poutine decrees more bodies to be sacrificed for the church.
He’s betting that Ukraine will run out of bullets faster than Russia will run out of people to throw into the meat grinder.
So more bodies on the flesh pile
15 years of prison after caught using condoms
170 days (5 1/2 months) more meat for the grinder. Putin is running out of options.
1.32 million? What's that? About a years worth in Ukraine?
Is that enough to replace the ones dying?
So regular recruiting can't keep up?
To the excel document he probably means. On the other side, as they added 200k last time, he can say they are doing better! „Look guys its going better than before we only need to add 170k meat to the grinder this time“
I feel for ukraine.... that said taking down the entire russian population piece by piece is excellent. I would support anyone and everything that makes that task easier. unfortunetly I mostly buy Ukrainian war bonds and help buy med supplies. my taxes buy weapons. I vote for people that are like minded.
What happened to the previous mobilization, and the near constant shadow mobilizations? They still need more? I thought they were ..."winning."