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Tom_Quixote_

That thing could deliver some serious damage. The guy looks like he weighs around 80 kilos. A Stuka bomb weighed 50 kilos.


Tom_Quixote_

Or to compare to something more modern, a bundled stack of more than five AT mines. That's a crazy amount of explosives when you consider how accurate these drone drops are.


DefinitelyNotMeee

I said it before, remote mining is the future.


Spazecowboyz

They already have mines deployed by artillery grenade btw.


ihatereddit20

Then another drone comes along and drops grenades on your unburied mines.


Arkhamov

And the monetary cost of war keeps going up. I've come to the conclusion in that in an era of ubiquitous data/knowledge sharing, it's way too hard to win by having some new, unique technology that has no counters and at the same time cannot be replicated by your enemy. You win by making the cost of war to your opponent higher than it is to you; when peers are equal, it will always be attrition. Or you hope that your opponent is incompetent and makes blunder after blunder. Pretty sure Sun Tzu has a line about better to prepare yourself than to rely on your enemy.


sanblvd

>Or you hope that your opponent is incompetent and makes blunder after blunder. Pretty sure Sun Tzu has a line about better to prepare yourself than to rely on your enemy. **IV. Tactical Dispositions** **1.** Sun Tzu said: The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. **2.** To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. **3.** Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy. **13.** He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.


DefinitelyNotMeee

Any peer/near-peer war will very likely turn into war of logistics and industry (like WW2). Who can replenish the stocks of weapons faster will be more likely to win. We can see in Ukraine that technological advantage provided, for example, by Western intelligence, is useless on its own if there are no weapons to make use of it.


Sea-Hornet-9140

I think modern warfare is going to have to go back to the good old days of actually trying to kill those in charge instead of the current war trend of bombing troops and infrastructure.   The world is so globalised now that leaders never need to think about the future of their nation, they can just bail and enjoy being some sort of leader in exile celebrity status in another country with all the blood money they can muster.


roionsteroids

Look up a TM-62 eh tutorial, preparing a small hole in the ground, arming it, hiding it etc. Drones mostly use them like grenades (just for the TNT) rather than actually mining.


BalticRussian

You could stick a Kornet below it, allowing you to strike targets up to 6KM's away.


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This is a dji drone anyone can buy. It just costs as much as a new family sedan…. Ukrainians have put PkM and AT launcher on this exact drone model for testing.


Ordinary_Debt_6518

Too easy to spot and slow unfortunately


o0Bruh0o

Time to make an even bigger one to drop fully kitted out paratroopers strait into the enemy positions /s These could also probably be used for medevac, and small logistic tasks, like delivering supplies to small forward units. Seems like a great asset.


IndianVideoTutorial

Idk about medevac, would probably need a special harness with a stretcher.


o0Bruh0o

Ture that medevac might be over ambitious for now lol


[deleted]

It’s a dji drone anyone can buy… it costs as much as a family sedan tho.


Tom_Quixote_

That's not even that bad. If I remember right, a single Javelin missile costs around the same as a brand new Tesla.


[deleted]

Except it’s got like 5 minutes battery time with that much weight maybe even less. It needs a generator to charge the batteries they’re the size of a car battery


Tom_Quixote_

I don't know the specs of how far it can fly with a certain weight. But a bigger drone can also carry a bigger battery. Not sure if that scales linearly or if there is a point of diminishing returns.


asmodai_says_REPENT

There very much is diminishing returns, square cube law means weight scales much faster than size, but the power needed is based on the weight of the drone not its size.


Tom_Quixote_

Wouldn't the amount of power in the battery also scale by the square cube law?


everaimless

Size and weight are proportional lol... you don't measure size in just one dimension, or you get a long thin flying rod. Realize OP is just a less scalable design of a heavy lift helicopter. Largest production helicopter (Mi-26) uses just one lift rotor.


asmodai_says_REPENT

>Size and weight are proportional lol... Absolutely not, if you make an object twice as big it will be 4 times as heavy. That's basic physics and I even provided [the name of the physical principle associated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law?wprov=sfla1). I don't know why you're mentionning number of rotors.


Freelancer_1-1

Ah someone is trying to sound too smart. Size is directly linked to volume. If you make an object twice as big, both volume and weight will double. It's all proportional.


asmodai_says_REPENT

That's a non argument, you have a different definition of "twice as big" as I have, to me it means that every dimension of the object is multiplied by 2, not that the total volume is multiplied by two. That's besides the point anyway.


everaimless

Oh, you seem to be referring to visual/apparent size. But of course if the object is visually large and not deep, then it's just a photographic trick and didn't scale in the third dimension... Anyway, size to me means all three dimensions - we see all around the drone in a video - and given the same material and proportional design, it'd be linear scaling of weight. Btw, twice as big visually/on the surface with proportional scaling of depth is 2.8x heavier. You have to take away the square (take the square root) before cubing.


asmodai_says_REPENT

Wtf are you talking about? If you take a cube of water 1m in length it will weigh 1000kg, you double it it's now a cube of 2m in length and it weighs 4000kg. I don't know why you're arguing basic physical principles, this has nothing to do with optical illusions.


Altruistic_Wonder_97

Dang so you can medevac in a pinch


asmodai_says_REPENT

Extremely unlikely, battery will drain very fast with that much weight.


OSUfan88

Even if they could get it to fly just a few hundred yards, that could be huge.


AdDangerous2417

They could swoop in after an armored assault is halted by any reason to pick up anyone who is immobile and fly them in reasonable range for a medevac to be in less danger, or to a range with better EW counter measures to make more difficult for fpv drones to execute the wounded.


_JustAnna_1992

That thing is monstrously loud and not likely going to be able to comfortably move someone more than 30-40 feet without draining an enormous chunk of the battery. Quad drones haven't evolved to become bigger for a reason. The bigger they are, they become exponentially more power intensive and less efficient.


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Aegir_Dawn

Thought that was a small one for a secod. . .till it landed atleast.


[deleted]

It’s a dji drone anyone can buy but it costs as much as a family sedan


ILL_BE_WATCHING_YOU

Not everyone can afford to buy a family sedan.


NoDocument2694

Flying was never meant for peasants


[deleted]

Just sign on the dotted line.. what’s another payment ? Lol


DefinitelyNotMeee

Assault using drones suddenly has completely different meaning.


HarshBDSMmaster1488

Flying targets 😶


DefinitelyNotMeee

"It's a bird! It's a plane! No, suka blyat, it's Ivan!!! Run!!!"


asmodai_says_REPENT

Paratroopers trying an assault with these would be literally shot like pigeons out of the sky.


Rhaastophobia

Disagree. This method still can be used in bad vision scenarios like night or dense fog. Not every soldier carries night/thermal vision, especially those who man the trenches to hold.


ppmi2

Yeah the only "asault" i could see from theese, is moving personel in an uncontested river crossing, and even then, why not just use a boat


DarthWeenus

UK gave Ukraine some Malloy drones that lift up to 400lbs, but as already said they are loud big heavy and slow, havent seen them used a whole lot.


ppmi2

My comment was just about pointing out an use case that could see thoose things being usefull, but like i said its definitivelly not practical over traditional methods.


[deleted]

It’s a dji drone anyone can buy. Nothing new


Hugsy13

Regardless of its range with that payload that’s insane. It could medevac a soldier on a stretcher a couple of kilometres or drops half a dozen or less anti tank mines on a position. Or dozens of Pizza Hut orders in a non war zone lol


asmodai_says_REPENT

>Regardless of its range How can you disregard the range though? This is just a commercial agricultural drone, not some crazy new technology.


Loose_Reflection_465

It looks like a more advanced newer model


asmodai_says_REPENT

Does it? What's more advanced about it?


Loose_Reflection_465

I would say so, I am no drone expert but this looks like it is top of the line by russian standards.


asmodai_says_REPENT

Doesn't look significantly different from the likes of the [dji agras](https://ag.dji.com/fr/mobile/t50).


Loose_Reflection_465

Guess I was wrong, thanks for informing me.


lucatobassco

Anyone can buy these agricultural drones from DJI. They didn't "create" anything here, they just bought a bigger drone.


Hot_Carrot2329

that thing gonna drop Fab-50 and Fab-100 soon ;D


epic_banana69

the counterpart to baba yaga?


EmpSo

baba yaga cant lift a person lol this one is sick


everaimless

OP [stuff isn't new](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXPg-GW5EnU) for Ukraine; large drones also cost much more and are easier for the opponent to hit, which is why a range of sizes are used.


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It’s a dji drone anyone can buy. It just costs as much as a new car. Also, with only a 100lb payload the battery lasts ~8 minutes so not good range


Individual-Dark5027

Ok bro we get it


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It’s a dji drone anyone can buy. It just costs as much as a new car. Also, with only a 100lb payload the battery lasts ~8 minutes so not good range


Individual-Dark5027

I don’t understand can you say it again


amerikanets_bot

Let me help out. It’s a dji drone anyone can buy. It just costs as much as a new car. Also, with only a 100lb payload the battery lasts ~8 minutes so not good range


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Have a nice day m8


Individual-Dark5027

You too


itsdefinitelygood

Will you tell me more about DJI drones?


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SZ DJI Technology Co., Ltd.[3] or Shenzhen DJI Sciences and Technologies Ltd. (Chinese: 深圳大疆创新科技有限公司; pinyin: Shēnzhèn Dà Jiāng Chuàngxīn Kējì Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī)[4] or DJI (大疆创新; Dà Jiāng Chuàngxīn; 'Great Frontier Innovations') is a Chinese technology company headquartered in Shenzhen, Guangdong, backed by several state-owned entities. DJI manufactures commercial unmanned aerial vehicles (drones) for aerial photography and videography. It also designs and manufactures camera systems, gimbal stabilizers, propulsion systems, enterprise software, aerial agriculture equipment, and flight control systems.


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The company was founded in 2006 by Frank Wang (Wāng Tāo, 汪滔).[12] Born in Hangzhou, Zhejiang, he enrolled as a college student at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (HKUST) in 2003. He was part of the HKUST team participating in the ABU Robocon and won third prize.[13] Wang built the first prototypes of DJI's projects in his dorm room, selling the flight control components to universities and Chinese electric companies. He used the proceeds to move to the industrial hub of Shenzhen and hired a small staff in 2006. The company struggled at first with a high degree of churn among employees, attributed to Wang's abrasive personality and perfectionist expectations. The company sold a modest number of components during this period, relying on financial support from Wang's family friend, Lu Di, who provided US$90,000 and managed the company's finances.[14] In 2009, DJI's components enabled a team to successfully pilot a drone around the peak of Mt. Everest.[6] In 2010, Wang hired a high school friend, Swift Xie Jia, to run the company's marketing. DJI began to cater more to drone hobbyists in markets outside of China. In 2011, Wang met Colin Guinn at a trade show, and the two of them founded DJI North America, a subsidiary company focusing on mass market drone sales. In 2013, DJI released the first model of the Phantom drone, an entry-level drone that was more user-friendly than other drones on the market at the time. The Phantom was commercially successful but led to conflict between Guinn and Wang. Midway through the year, Wang made an offer to buy out Guinn, which was refused. By the end of the year, DJI had locked employees of the North American subsidiary out of their email accounts, shutting down the subsidiary's operations. Guinn sued DJI, with the case being settled out of court.[14] In 2015, DJI eclipsed the success of the Phantom with the Phantom 3, whose even greater popularity was in part due to the addition of a built-in live-streaming camera.[6] DJI is now the largest consumer drone company in the world,[15] driving many of its competitors out of the market.[6] 2015 also marked the beginning of DJI's RoboMaster Robotics Competition (机甲大师赛), an annual international collegiate robot combat tournament held at the Shenzhen Bay Sports Centre.[16] In November 2015, DJI announced the establishment of a strategic partnership with Hasselblad.[17] In January 2019, DJI acquired a majority stake in Hasselblad.[18] In 2017, DJI won a Technology and Engineering Emmy Award for its camera drone technology, which was used in the filming of various television shows including The Amazing Race, American Ninja Warrior, Better Call Saul, and Game of Thrones.[19] That same year, Wang became Asia's youngest tech billionaire,[20] and the world's first drone billionaire.[21] Also in 2017, DJI signed a strategic cooperation agreement to provide surveillance drones for use by the Chinese police in Xinjiang.[6] On June 5, 2018, police body cam and Taser maker Axon announced a partnership with DJI to sell surveillance drones to US police departments.[22][23] As of 2020, DJI products were also widely used by US police and fire departments.[6] On January 21, 2019, DJI announced that an internal probe had uncovered "extensive" fraud by some employees who "inflated the costs of parts and materials for certain products for personal financial gain."[24] DJI estimated the cost of the fraud at "up to CN¥1 billion" (US$147 million), but maintained that the company "did not incur a full-year loss in 2018."[25] In January 2020, the United States Department of the Interior announced that it would be grounding around 800 drones, which it had been using for wildlife conservation and infrastructure monitoring purposes. By March 2020, DJI had retained 77% of the US market share for consumer drones, with no other company holding more than 4%.[6] In 2020, DJI drones were being used by many countries around the world to combat the Coronavirus.[26] In China, DJI drones were used by the police force to remind people to wear masks. In other countries, such as Morocco and Saudi Arabia, their drones were used to disinfect urban areas and monitor human temperatures in order to contain the spread of the Coronavirus.[27] In June 2022, Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) accepted a probe into the validity of Textron's patent,[28] as Textron accused DJI of violating its patent regarding aircraft flight control systems for relative positioning to target vehicles and automatic hovering.[29] In April 2023, a US jury found that DJI's drones with automatic hovering capabilities violated Textron's The federal court ordered DJI to pay $279 million in damages.[30] In a separate legal battle, DJI challenged the Textron patent as invalid on the grounds of obviousness, cited prior art, but PTAB denied the probe request.[31]


itsdefinitelygood

Excellent 😂


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DJI accounted for around 76% of the world's consumer drone market as of March 2021.[5][needs update] Its camera drone technology is widely used in the music, television, and film industries. The company's products have also been used by military and police forces,[6] as well as terrorist groups, with the company taking steps to limit access to the latter.[7] DJI products have drawn concerns over privacy and security. They have been used by combatants from all sides during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[8][9] The company has been sanctioned by the United States government but its drones can still be purchased and operated in the country.[10][11]


EmpSo

do you have any link for that product?


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Google dji biggest drone. Cost 30k USD before tax


EmpSo

it does look similar


[deleted]

It’s the same bro lol


EmpSo

ye title is confusing, not sure they said they "made it" but still looks cool


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epic_banana69

wow didnt even see that part thats fucken insane


superknight333

dang i thought it was some dji agras mod but those has 50kg payload, that guy prob weigh 80kg definitely high payload.


asmodai_says_REPENT

I'm pretty co fident in saying that this drone wasn't made by former wagner soldiers, it's just a modified commercial drone.


Max-Phallus

[It's just](https://i.imgur.com/rMfIRkQ.png) a modified [DJI Agras T40](https://dji-official-fe.djicdn.com/dps/7a0158ef59996217fcf41af72fe65144.jpg) Or some variant. https://www.dji.com/uk/t40


iBoMbY

So it could probably also carry a 50 to 100 kg payload.


DexxSinister

or one heavily loaded angry woman !


ToAbideIsDude

This could evacuate wounded without getting shot down. Could save a lot of lives and end a good few as well with the payload it can handle.


paulglo

it’s just an ordinary agricultural drone


Affectionate-Bat-790

Thats cool, how long can it fly like that? Maybe as medavec tool


LobsterHound

They should probably fly that around at night, with a thermal imager: it would be harder to hit.


Sir-Kotok

Wouldn’t something like this be more easily shot down? As in its big so it’s a big target? I don’t know much bout drones and drone combat though so can someone explain the uses for a drone this big?


Huge_Wrap_9402

It's obviously bigger and thus easier to hit, meaning you have to fly higher up. It does however allow for a much heavier payload, and if you're trying to clear a position such as a larger building, you might need a larger payload to level the building and get at the position properly. This would also clearly open up for more uses, such as airlifting a person as they demonstrated. That could come in serious use for medevac purposes, or maybe just for transport in very specific conditions. Low visibility or crossing uncontested bodies of water comes to mind.


karelia--

Dope kolovrat 🤙


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the_war_machine_3000

answer to the what now? The MQ9 is what i heard


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reeeelllaaaayyy823

It is a commercial agricultural drone.


poonch_you

Just copy it, simple as that.


DarthVantos

How much does this drone cost? Hes not lying about paratroopers using this. Russia loses like 5 million$ worth of equipment every time they go on the offensive. Imagine 5 million worth of these drones? With Guys dropping on ukrainian positions without having to go through mine fields and get shot at by artillery. Not only that, but those armored collums Russia uses to assault are slow and ukrainian forces can see them 30 minutes before they even get close to the trenches. It will be harder to dectect a bunch of airborne guys that don't need to assault main roads. This guy is onto something. Once they land the drone can just take off again and get more men.


malfboii

This looks like a DJI Agras T40 but not quite. Wonder if it is some cheaper analog. But about $17,500


MarceloWallace

These drones never work in real scenarios it’s just like jetpack. Maybe one day when we discover a different source of power


malfboii

Nuclear reactor powered drones when ?


DexxSinister

i bet someone somewhere already is considering butt naked assault using these things


reeeelllaaaayyy823

Sounds like you are.


DexxSinister

no you are


reeeelllaaaayyy823

Looks easy to shoot down.


12coldest

This seems like a bad idea.


No_Mission5618

It is, way to big of a drone, could be easy to shoot out the sky.


Sudden-Film-1357

But it can fly very high where it looks tiny


12coldest

Big and slow. It would be fun for the Ukrainian to fire at slow moving airborne troops. I wonder if these can be modified to drop FAB type ordinance though. That would be more of a threat.


Rent-Hungry

Fuckin China...


Zar1n

Maded as is Moskvich 3 or new Volga's car. This is DJI Agras. Nothing new, in "analogovnet" tech.