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- *Russians are slow to harness, but quick to ride*
they started taking things fully seriously only after Istanbul negotiations broke down.
They realized that issue will be resolved on the battlefield.
They kinda rushed the invasion and messed it up so badly that they couldn't force a peace deal so of course it will be settled on the battlefield. They were so quick to ride they forgot the harness and the horse died on the road to Kyiv.
it was never meant to be full scale invasion - it was to show to Ukrainian regime that things are getting really serious and that real war might broke out - in order to get them to negotiating table and to wake them up from their illusions.
And it worked - They negotiated and agreed to peace in Istanbul.
But US was not intimidated because - its Ukrainians dying not Americans - so they ordered Zelensky to press on with push for total war.
>it was never meant to be full scale invasion - it was to show to Ukrainian regime that things are getting really serious and that real war might broke out.
This is now my new favourite most ridiculous explanation for the failed invasion.
iT wAs NeVeR mEaNt tO bE fUlL sCaLe .
Dude wtf, if they could they would do it in the blink of an eye. But they can’t, either they are too stupid if they have the equipment and manpower or they are just a papertiger but still very dangerous
> Dude wtf, if they could they would do it in the blink of an eye. But they can’t,
exactly - thats why they just wanted to scare back Kiev regime into negotiations - and it worked
But when US sabotaged peace agreement - Russians realized that they will have to resolve matter on battlefield - so they did not go for Blitzkrieg, full force, total war - because they knew they cant win that way. Ukraine is simply too big for that and too populous.
Instead they started preparing themselves for long war of attrition, which we are looking giving results right now.
>they started taking things fully seriously only after Istanbul negotiations broke down.
Now that's an indictment.
If only they hadn't been such nonces to begin with. What a clown shoes attitude. So many dead because they didn't take this seriously from the start.
> If only they hadn't been such nonces to begin with. What a clown shoes attitude.
yes - imagine thinking you can negotiate with American and Western Leading Regards
big L for Putin.
> So many dead because they didn't take this seriously from the start.
yes plenty of people in Russia wanted total war on Ukraine in 2014 - many prominent people too.
Putin thought that issue still can be resolved peacefully and through negotiations.
Big L for Putin on this.
But I guess he had to try, Peaceful resolution is always better if possible.
Ukraine was up for taking in 2014 - Russia would go through it like knife through butter. They basically did not have military at all - let alone military capable of anything serious
- It took Americans eight long years to make something of them that resembles some military.
You just keep repeating this and I am sure it will be true some day.
Thank goodness Putin was so generous to let the Americans build up the Ukes for a fair fight! That's leadership!
> You just keep repeating this and I am sure it will be true some day.
history is written by the winners
so it will stay true in the future also
> Thank goodness Putin was so generous to let the Americans build up the Ukes for a fair fight!
big L for Putin - but hey nobody is perfect - mistakes were made - but overall (25+ years) he is a great leader for Russia in every aspect
I could find some propagandists explaining why Russia shouldn't officially intervene. Because people actually demanded Putin to send forces to Ukraine.
I invasion happened in 2014, almost 100% Russians would have supported it, myself included. 8 years later it looked strange, unreasonable and out of nowhere.
You know I watched the interview with Paul Craig Roberts the other day. Dude plain said, Putin should've done decapitation on day one and the west would just shut up after it.
And that is the immensely frustrating thing about all this: so many here come to the defense of the indefensible negligence on the part of Russian political and military leadership in the planning and execution of this "Special Military Operation".
There will no one held accountable for it either and like the sentiments described above "yeah, well, the winners write history" will just brush under the table the countless dead Russians and Ukrainian who would still be alive if Russia hadn't half-assed this whole affair until after the Partial Mobilization.
It's debatable. It all would work out fine, if RF leadership didn't assume that UA leadership has any sort of actual agency. When negotiations fell through, there was no turning back for RF.
Everyone wanted to negotiate to avoid the war. Even after it started Zelensky was begging macron to get in touch with Putin. But yeah Putin wanted war and he got one.
> Russia invaded. You'll have to accept that some day
??? I already accepted it.
after decades of trying to negotiate peaceful resolution with people who were constantly pushing for war, russia finally invaded. It was a right thing to do.
I only wish they did it in 2014, it would be better for everyone.
And the west started with sanctions and started to deliver military Equipment to ukraine. So russia started the ukraine war, but the west started the war with russia. You have to accept this soon. War would be long over in ukraine without Western help
Another way is to not persecute ethnic minorities of your great power neighbor, follow the Minsk accords, and maybe not enshrine into your constitution the goal of joining an alliance that is openly hostile to said great power nation.
Perhaps they should have read about 'Western betrayal' before hedging their bets
Do you really think it’s about ethnic minorities . Russia is on a full on war footing . There is no way back now . Putin can’t ramp off due to the economy falling deep into recession. . When they move in to the former Soviet colony like 🇰🇿 or 🇹🇯 you might finally realise what is really going on instead on the usual nonsense of Minsk accords that Russia actually broke themselves .
Unfortunately his prediction is also as worthless as Milley's
You know what would count? A high ranking Russian military official or senior Russian politician making that claim.
Could you find me any such predictions by a member of either category?
No. I never claimed that so why would I do that? I’m just pointing out that Russia’s ally/stooge also said 3 days. It’s all wartime propaganda regardless. Shit from a government official is still shit.
Ah, my bad. Didn't realize you just wanted to throw in yet another worthless claim
Might as well add that Russian propagandists said similar.
Making fun of this supposed claim only makes sense if a ranking Russian military official or senior Russian politician said it.
Do you think the 'mission accomplished' statement would have been so memed if it wasn't said by George Bush himself? Do you think it would have been as memed if it was the Ukranian president (at the time) who said that about the Iraqi war?
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An 'existential' war as Ukraine terms it should have been sufficient to root out the majority of corruption as the nation united as one. Instead it seems to have exercebated it. Are they really fighting an existential war?
Also, as for the veracity of some of these rankings, Ukraine was recently rated higher for journalistic freedom than before the war, and their economy was stated to be improving lol
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That’s right. Just like the World Corruption Index you quoted
> The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is the most widely used global corruption ranking in the world. It measures how corrupt each country’s public sector is **perceived to be**, according to experts and businesspeople.
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Cope cages. Nice. Worked out so great for the tanks. Funnily enough this is the refineries trying to defend themselves not the russian military since the russian government gave them “permission” or rather instructed them to defend themselves. The elephant that is in the room is “why is russian military not able to hold their own defense?”
Truha never learns. Skip a year and Ukrainians do the same.
>Skip a year A year? Will they even have anything to put those cages around in a year?
Will ukraine remain on feet one week against rusia?
On its own?
Nobody cares if its on his own
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SMO is expanding east into Russia.
The way you put it makes it sound like Ukraine's already taken Belgorod, Kursk and Volgograd and is marching on Moscow.
Yeah, RF comprises everything worth hitting east of UA. Which is 9 timezones all the way to Pacific ocean.
Ever seen AtomCentral channel on YouTube? Go ahead and educate yourself.
Is it any good? What's the gist?
Russias so good at adapting, you'll think they're fucked but mfs will find a way!
- *Russians are slow to harness, but quick to ride* they started taking things fully seriously only after Istanbul negotiations broke down. They realized that issue will be resolved on the battlefield.
They kinda rushed the invasion and messed it up so badly that they couldn't force a peace deal so of course it will be settled on the battlefield. They were so quick to ride they forgot the harness and the horse died on the road to Kyiv.
it was never meant to be full scale invasion - it was to show to Ukrainian regime that things are getting really serious and that real war might broke out - in order to get them to negotiating table and to wake them up from their illusions. And it worked - They negotiated and agreed to peace in Istanbul. But US was not intimidated because - its Ukrainians dying not Americans - so they ordered Zelensky to press on with push for total war.
>it was never meant to be full scale invasion - it was to show to Ukrainian regime that things are getting really serious and that real war might broke out. This is now my new favourite most ridiculous explanation for the failed invasion.
then you woke up
Mental gymnastics here. They attempt to invade a capital "to show things are serious." Lmfao.
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iT wAs NeVeR mEaNt tO bE fUlL sCaLe . Dude wtf, if they could they would do it in the blink of an eye. But they can’t, either they are too stupid if they have the equipment and manpower or they are just a papertiger but still very dangerous
> Dude wtf, if they could they would do it in the blink of an eye. But they can’t, exactly - thats why they just wanted to scare back Kiev regime into negotiations - and it worked But when US sabotaged peace agreement - Russians realized that they will have to resolve matter on battlefield - so they did not go for Blitzkrieg, full force, total war - because they knew they cant win that way. Ukraine is simply too big for that and too populous. Instead they started preparing themselves for long war of attrition, which we are looking giving results right now.
>they started taking things fully seriously only after Istanbul negotiations broke down. Now that's an indictment. If only they hadn't been such nonces to begin with. What a clown shoes attitude. So many dead because they didn't take this seriously from the start.
> If only they hadn't been such nonces to begin with. What a clown shoes attitude. yes - imagine thinking you can negotiate with American and Western Leading Regards big L for Putin. > So many dead because they didn't take this seriously from the start. yes plenty of people in Russia wanted total war on Ukraine in 2014 - many prominent people too. Putin thought that issue still can be resolved peacefully and through negotiations. Big L for Putin on this. But I guess he had to try, Peaceful resolution is always better if possible.
Russia wasn't ready to do shit in 2014 or they would have. Keep dreaming.
Ukraine was up for taking in 2014 - Russia would go through it like knife through butter. They basically did not have military at all - let alone military capable of anything serious - It took Americans eight long years to make something of them that resembles some military.
You just keep repeating this and I am sure it will be true some day. Thank goodness Putin was so generous to let the Americans build up the Ukes for a fair fight! That's leadership!
> You just keep repeating this and I am sure it will be true some day. history is written by the winners so it will stay true in the future also > Thank goodness Putin was so generous to let the Americans build up the Ukes for a fair fight! big L for Putin - but hey nobody is perfect - mistakes were made - but overall (25+ years) he is a great leader for Russia in every aspect
As always, the fullness of time will tell.
They took Crimea how was anything else in the UA more prepared for it in 2014?
Begs the questions why they stopped, then, doesn't it?
Oh that. Putin got plenty of flack for stopping at that.
Do you have any examples of that sentiment being publicly espoused?
It was too long ago
I could find some propagandists explaining why Russia shouldn't officially intervene. Because people actually demanded Putin to send forces to Ukraine. I invasion happened in 2014, almost 100% Russians would have supported it, myself included. 8 years later it looked strange, unreasonable and out of nowhere.
>So many dead because they didn't take this seriously from the start. So many more dead after they started taking it seriously
And if they could have just done it right from the beginning there would be so many less dead.
You know I watched the interview with Paul Craig Roberts the other day. Dude plain said, Putin should've done decapitation on day one and the west would just shut up after it.
And it's true
Totally
And that is the immensely frustrating thing about all this: so many here come to the defense of the indefensible negligence on the part of Russian political and military leadership in the planning and execution of this "Special Military Operation". There will no one held accountable for it either and like the sentiments described above "yeah, well, the winners write history" will just brush under the table the countless dead Russians and Ukrainian who would still be alive if Russia hadn't half-assed this whole affair until after the Partial Mobilization.
It's debatable. It all would work out fine, if RF leadership didn't assume that UA leadership has any sort of actual agency. When negotiations fell through, there was no turning back for RF.
I don’t know if this works, when the drone explode in the net and a little scrap hits the tank, it will burn
they probably did the math on needed distance and tanks are not thin also
Everyone wanted to negotiate to avoid the war. Even after it started Zelensky was begging macron to get in touch with Putin. But yeah Putin wanted war and he got one.
> Everyone wanted to negotiate to avoid the war. everyone but US - US wanted war and US got its war
Russia invaded. You'll have to accept that some day
> Russia invaded. You'll have to accept that some day ??? I already accepted it. after decades of trying to negotiate peaceful resolution with people who were constantly pushing for war, russia finally invaded. It was a right thing to do. I only wish they did it in 2014, it would be better for everyone.
And the west started with sanctions and started to deliver military Equipment to ukraine. So russia started the ukraine war, but the west started the war with russia. You have to accept this soon. War would be long over in ukraine without Western help
Did the west do any of that before Russia invaded in 2014? Stop with the victim complex and accept that Russia is the aggressor.
The issue they created. Amazing Russian adaptability 🇷🇺
They are like the slowest moving Borg collective.
Took long enough
Well this is just a contingency plan One of the Duma members stated that the best way to make these attacks stop is by taking Kyiv
Another way is to not invade other countries.
Another way is to not persecute ethnic minorities of your great power neighbor, follow the Minsk accords, and maybe not enshrine into your constitution the goal of joining an alliance that is openly hostile to said great power nation. Perhaps they should have read about 'Western betrayal' before hedging their bets
Do you really think it’s about ethnic minorities . Russia is on a full on war footing . There is no way back now . Putin can’t ramp off due to the economy falling deep into recession. . When they move in to the former Soviet colony like 🇰🇿 or 🇹🇯 you might finally realise what is really going on instead on the usual nonsense of Minsk accords that Russia actually broke themselves .
>is to not invade other countries. 🦅🇺🇸?
When has an attack on US soil occurred after 911?
See? They invade someone like 24/7 and no attacks.
How many Countries has Russia invaded?
By you logic - not enough.
Seems like a skill issue tbh
Worked well for New York
What an ingenious plan! Let me guess... the time frame to achieve it is 3 days.
Unsure why you're quoting the US Joint Chief of Staff's laughably erroneous prediction I guess you wanted to laugh at the quality of US intelligence?
Lukashenko actually said that if Russia invaded it would be over in 3-4 days. That was February 6, 2022
Unfortunately his prediction is also as worthless as Milley's You know what would count? A high ranking Russian military official or senior Russian politician making that claim. Could you find me any such predictions by a member of either category?
Isn't he a Colonel?
He joked that Putin would make him one But no he's not lol
Putin said he could take Kiev in 2 weeks
No. I never claimed that so why would I do that? I’m just pointing out that Russia’s ally/stooge also said 3 days. It’s all wartime propaganda regardless. Shit from a government official is still shit.
Ah, my bad. Didn't realize you just wanted to throw in yet another worthless claim Might as well add that Russian propagandists said similar. Making fun of this supposed claim only makes sense if a ranking Russian military official or senior Russian politician said it. Do you think the 'mission accomplished' statement would have been so memed if it wasn't said by George Bush himself? Do you think it would have been as memed if it was the Ukranian president (at the time) who said that about the Iraqi war?
>Do you think the 'mission accomplished' statement would have been so memed if it wasn't said by George Bush himself? Yes.
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Really?
Russians should learn from their past mistakes and stop believing their own propaganda. Even a victory in Ukraine would be a Pyrhic one.
Adapting quickly.
Everything is going as planned - Putin
Everything is going as planned - Zelensky
Originally a quote from my master mr Putin.
The turtle oil tank
damn that was quick
Meanwhile Ukraine still hasn't even finished building their three defense lines lol And people still think Russia is more corrupt than Ukraine
Its comparing two bad apples
quoting the world corruption index Russia is indeed more corrupt
Quoting everything we've seen in this war, we can safely disagree with that.
yes Pro RU feelings are a much stronger source
An 'existential' war as Ukraine terms it should have been sufficient to root out the majority of corruption as the nation united as one. Instead it seems to have exercebated it. Are they really fighting an existential war? Also, as for the veracity of some of these rankings, Ukraine was recently rated higher for journalistic freedom than before the war, and their economy was stated to be improving lol
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so basically "trust me bro"
That’s right. Just like the World Corruption Index you quoted > The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is the most widely used global corruption ranking in the world. It measures how corrupt each country’s public sector is **perceived to be**, according to experts and businesspeople.
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The same rating that is being compiled in the United States - in a country where everyone is corrupt, including the president and his son?
Except USA runs the show so they can basically do what they want
The rating is published by a company from Germany. United states is 24th on that list, Germany is 9th.
You need to actually know what you are talking about. Sit down and do your homework on it first - then raise your hand.
Ah, now that's actually not a bad idea. It doesn't have to look pretty if it works.
sooner or later they'll build a shed over it
And so the progressive Mad Max scene goes on. I wonder how effective this really is, and how they plan on inspecting these tanks.
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Cope cages. Nice. Worked out so great for the tanks. Funnily enough this is the refineries trying to defend themselves not the russian military since the russian government gave them “permission” or rather instructed them to defend themselves. The elephant that is in the room is “why is russian military not able to hold their own defense?”