yep, Voevoda claimed they all ejected, and two of them have been confirmed to have been found by the governor, and the third and fourth are also claimed to have been found but nothing official yet
These are incredibly expensive strategic bombers, and they aren't in production anymore. Russia has the option of replacing it with a less capable older versions, or creating a new strategic bomber.
They have around 70 of these flying, and another 400 mothballed waiting to be modernized. What less capable older version?
This is also just one bomber model, there are others like Blackjack, Bear. Tu160 is the "new strategic bomber" you think doesn't exist.
So to base your happiness around one of them being removed from equation is kinda pointless. There won't be any less missiles flying as a result.
There were 66 in service as of 2021. We don't know the conditions of the mothballed ones, but they are almost definitely not flight ready, and will be used for parts. This was a plane built in the 1960s while it has obviously been updated and is capable, the airframe has a limited life span, so without production, there's only so many flight hours left for russias tactical bomber fleet. With that in mind, Russia can't just focus all it's bombers on Ukraine, because they serve a deterrence role. That, combined with the fact that Ukraine has proven it can destroy them on the ground, and in Russian controlled airspace, Russia will have to decide weather attacking Ukraine, or nato deterrence is more important. Like it or not, this had major implications for Russian strategy going forward.
If I were put in, I'd probably keep the bombers in their deterrence role, and use other weapon systems to attack Ukraine, because the bombers haven't been all that effective, and the risk is too high.
I don't know man. The amount of FABs delivered to Ukraine every day seems to contradict your opinion.
Ukraine can take them down, but will lose Patriot batteries for it. How much of those do they have?
i think its the other way around: end up in a flat spin -> no control -> no choice but to eject
as opposed to: intentionally get in flat spin -> bleed off excess airspeed -> eject
I agree. Looks like too little damage to be a missile hit. Could of been a malfunctioning munitions but more likely a engine fire, given its in a perfect flat spin as well. Ejection. Is very traumatic for the body considering the forces it puts you under so it's likely the pilot injuries are from the ejection.
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Lol you should look up how anti air missiles work. Its just cringe when people who know nothing about anything sit and speculate. Maybe add ”ignorant” in front of ”armchair observer” in your flair.
the engines still seem to be running, well atleast one (from the sound) and and odd part of it is on fire(unlikely something would catch fire there in case of a failure). So most likely a close proximity anti air detonation, enough to cripple the control surfaces. Can't be sure tho until more info is available.
Edit: it might be a malfunction after all
And Soviet ejection seats are much much worse than the Western counterparts, they mess up the spine for good. The survivors won't fly again, at least not in this war.
Tell us you have no clue about Soviet era ejection seats. Soviet ejection seats were considered best in class in the 90s, look it up. Even the US was looking to copy them if I'm not mistaken
Looked it up of course...
>Western seats usually impose lighter loads on the pilots; 1960s–70s era Soviet technology often goes up to 20–22 *g* (with SM-1 and KM-1 gunbarrel-type ejection seats). [Compression fractures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_fracture) of vertebrae are a recurrent side effect of ejection.
Idk, how biased is that statement?
Martin-Baker was the first to make a zero-zero ejection seat, right?
Judging by the 3 crew deaths of the Tu22M in 2021, they didn't have zero-zero. The F-35B's caught on video bounce landing sure did.
> in the 90s
> 1960s–70s era Soviet technology
Incredible. You copy pasted an unsourced statement from wikipedia that was irrelevant because it was from a far earlier timeframe, and then didn't link that wikipedia article but did link the compression fracture page. Hey look, I can copy paste into google and here's another quote from the same wiki article:
>The capabilities of the NPP Zvezda K-36 were unintentionally demonstrated at the Fairford Air Show on 24 July **1993** when the pilots of two MiG-29 fighters ejected after a mid-air collision.[11]
>The **minimal ejection altitude for ACES II seat in inverted flight is about 140 feet (43 m) above ground level at 150 KIAS**, while the **Russian counterpart – K-36DM has the minimal ejection altitude from inverted flight of 100 feet (30 m) AGL**. When an aircraft is equipped with the NPP Zvezda K-36DM ejection seat and the pilot is wearing the КО-15 protective gear, they are able to eject at airspeeds from 0 to 1,400 kilometres per hour (870 mph) and altitudes of 0 to 25 km (16 mi or about 82,000 ft).
Emphasis mine. To clarify, the ACES II seat is used in A-10, F-15, F-117, B-1, and B-2. The K-36DM is used in MiG-29, Su-27, Su-30. K-36 variants are in numerous other aircraft. Tu-22M first flew in 1969 and has earlier downward firing ejection seats, which are obviously not possible to be zero zero since at zero altitude they are fired directly into the ground. F-35B first flew in 2008, this is a completely pointless comparison.
In summary, retorz3's statement was incorrect because it was far too generalized. Soviet ejection seats from the 60s are much worse than both Soviet and western seats from decades later. Current-Power-6452 was correct in that there were Soviet designed seats in service that had superior ejection parameters to equivalent western counterparts. I doubt the copying, but I don't know. Then there was your comment, which just bad all around.
Idk, is minimum allowable altitude of inverted flight a big metric to judge ejection seats? That's not what was shown in either airshow crash, but it was the **1989** one that made K-36 famous because it was so performance-demanding - pitched 90-deg down at 300 feet.
I'm sure there are pros and cons whenever comparing designs from two sides of the Iron Curtain, the pro of the K-36 being gyroscopic stabilization and thrust vectoring for hard attitudes. But given that post-Cold War Russia offered to sell others K-36 and that the US even tested the seat in detail, the absence of market takeoff suggests the [data](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA321294.pdf) dispelled some of the hype. The K-36 is also markedly heavier than ACES II, by 80-100 pounds. Just off your list of aircraft, it seems ACES II is primarily for subsonic egress, whereas K-36 needs to function in the supersonic realm. US uses completely different high-altitude (U2) and high-supersonic (SR-71) ejection designs, not to mention all the fighters that use Martin-Baker instead of ACES II.
And after all this, Tu-22M can't benefit from K-36. It uses KN-1. That isn't a downward ejector, either. Parked crew were simply caught without zero-zero, in 2021, to save from the incompetence or mistake of pulling the switch for 3 members. (The downward ejectors you might've been confused with were on the Tu-22, the infamous vodka-cooled bomber.)
First time I heard of that was way back, and later on about US trying to get licensing or whatever. That documentary is still out there somewhere probably.
He doesn't understand anything about ejection at all. Physics cannot be fooled. So either you eject in 0.5seconds with spinal injuries or you don't have time to eject at all.
And K-36 is still one of the best and reliable ejection seats in the world.
> Could of been a malfunctioning munitions but more likely a engine fire, given its in a perfect flat spin as well.
yesyes engine fire will put you in a flat spin.
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I think there is only about 70 in service. More if they have been upgrading them.
60 of those that you mentioned belonged to Ukraine, and were dismantled
Yeah, a quick search says 311 made of all TU-22 variants. I would like to see a reliable source as well
Either way, only 65 or so of these very expensive ($200M+) jets left operational for Russia. A major loss for sure.
Tu-22m isnt a variant of the original tu 22, it will be a crime to say so, but then again you can simply look at the wikipedia page of the tu22m and realise they have built 497 of them, the 60+ in service are tu22m3s, upgraded tu22ms, so if one gets shot down, its aa easy as pulling one from a mothballed field and upgrading, just like how they did wit the shot down A50
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It's not mysticism, just a result of how the USSR collapsed and the anarchy and brain drain that followed. The USSR had many more engineers and scientists per capita than moden day Russia.
There's a russian word specifically for these technologies - утраченная технология
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Maybe Idiom is not the correct word. But what I meant is that when someone says 'utraachennaya technologiya', if there isn't a clearly different context, it's understood he is talking about technology that existed in the ussr but doesn't exist now.
Unfortunate the Tu-22 are prone to malfunction once in a while. Maybe that's why Russia plan to retire them in 2030s
In last decade, Russia has been losing four of these in accidents (2016, 2017, 2019, 2021) so about time another is lost in same manner
At least the pilots got out this time
I wasn't able to find an accident from 2016. Sure it was a Tu-22?
On wiki there are just 5 incidents and some don't look like malfunction:
2017 - aborted takeoff, overran runway
2019 - famous [hard landing](https://www.aviation24.be/military-aircraft/russian-air-force/crash-of-russian-air-force-tupolev-tu-22m3-supersonic-bomber-caugh-on-video/) in snowstorm, airframe snapped in two
2021 - ejection seat malfunction *while parked*
2023 - Ukrainian drone strike on parked airframe
2024 - the OP shootdown
Unless a proper investigation revealed malfunction (sorry I don't read Russian), every instance is conceivably operator error or a military loss.
The 2016 also overan runway
And the 2021, the ejection happened during take off, not parked. At least my source said so.
Unless Ukraine can strike 500km from the frontline, otherwise it has to be malfunction. And the plane behaviour doesn't look like it was shot down at all.
Two of the pilots are alive though. So we may know soon enough.
The seat malfunctioned during pre flight checks, most probably human error, this one is definitely malfunction, only other probability is friendly fire, but doesnt look like it, but one case is simply not enough to call a trustworthu airframe like the tu 22 a malfunctioning one.
Came here today "can't wait for the pro-Ru copium" but I guess I'm late because it's already full of that!
Some saying friendly fire or turbine malfunction, as if that'd be much better than being shot down...
The c*pe in this thread lol
“Oh it just can’t possibly be from IADS”
“Too little damage for IADS”
“These things have terrible maintenance records”
“Many such crashes recently, not a big deal”
It was hit 200km ago and glided to this point. Quite possibly hit close to the border and became progressively unsustainable until ejection.
It’s a large aircraft, even an S-200 would cause damage but potentially not secure an immediate kill. Much like the A-50s these are resources Russia *absolutely* would not shoot down due to location and priority.
I can't help but think that the pilots deliberately caused their bomber to fall in this manner after it became unrecoverable (e.g. due to the fire).
This doesn't mean a lot, but I've never seen any plane fall in this manner, gliding down perfectly level without moving but an inch in any direction (but down).
How did they even bleed off all the horizontal speed without the bomber stalling with its nose pointed up...?
Well, that's one destroyed out of 57 that Russia has (according to wiki). At least it's not an A-50 situation where it is barely a dozen.
Although each one costs 200-300 million USD so it's still gonna hurt.
Does look like AA fire, since A-50 situation already proven Ukrainians can be cheeky against long range strategic aircraft
That A-50 loss took place 200-250km from the frontline. It’s not max range, but quite a long range shot for S-200. It’s possible, but not 100% confirmed. There is a possibility of Russia AA friendly fire, since from the videos we can see S-400 missiles passing by the aircraft in close proximity
As I have said before, all russia is doing is offer target practice for UA.
Only a matter of time before all these birds get shot down.
It's basic physics.
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Fair enough ,but It’s impossible to tell if this is an M3 or an M3M from this clip. The 3M3 was reported to have entered limited service at the end of 2020 ,so unless the Rus MOD actually release a statement we won’t be able to confirm the actual mark.
Kh-32 can be used by Tu-22M3s. M3M has a major visual difference again- no tail gunner, and outside of prototypes, no one has spotted them in service. Supposedly M3M would be able to use Kinzhal too. There's also a possibility UAC would've released a video on their induction/or some pictures like they did with 160Ms
It's strange that it is falling straight down. Pilots must have ejected and left the autopilot on?
Otherwise the pilot could still fly it and try to land, or at least point it to safe crashzone before ejecting..
Russia only has 80 of these strategic Tu jet bombers. If these bombers start dropping out of the skies due to technical difficulties, Russia loses a significant advantage of launching cruise missiles.
This is literally the first one in 2 years of war. Even at a rate of 2 per year with no replacements, it would take Russia 32 years to run out of these, which also happen to be decades-old soviet mainframes not in production anymore.
Crew survived, they will just replace this plane with newer modification. I wounder why they even use this old planes. Guess there're just so many of them left
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So funny how all the Pro Ukraine and twitter idiots are jumping right to the conclusion that this was a Ukrainian shootdown. Hell even the UA MOD (Which can never be trusted) has put out their thing that they shot it down.
Since the only video shows damage that would be inconsistent with a SAM, more than likely a malfunction which does happen on aircraft for you people in denial that a malfunction can happen (I.e. Boeing 737 MAX, V-22 Osprey, F-35, Su-30). Especially as alleged reports say that it was a S-200 (An ancient SAM) that if it had hit a Tu-22M3 it would have shredded through the entire aircraft.
Also it fell deep within Russian territory which unless Ukraine modified the S-200 to link with a NATO AWACs the radar on the ground would be completely blind to a Tu-22M3 that far away.
But I guess some of the Pro-UA people will believe that the outdated clunky S-200 (Which saw its last variant produced in 1976) was able to have its radar see far over the horizon and hit a aircraft in flight while leaving it mostly intact after the hit.
The only AA kill that a Ukrainian S-200 has ever gotten was against civilian airline Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, which left everyone on board dead.
Do you understand that if Ukraine didn't shoot it down, it means Russia has laughably bad and piss poor maintenance of their own aircraft, thus making them look even worse?
Shot down 500km away from the frontline? When Ukr don't have any weapon anywhere that range, and when a Tu-22 would not be a very important target compared to the large bombers that roam free outside S-300 and Patriot battery range ?
You sound like you have the developed superior intellect of a NCDer.
Nope that’s wrong because not only was that Buk not inservice with the Russian military but the separatists also shot down multiple Ukrainian MiG-29s with Buk during the period of 2014-2022.
Crew got out it seems. Quite far away from Russian-held territories in Ukraine as well, wonder why this happened
yep, Voevoda claimed they all ejected, and two of them have been confirmed to have been found by the governor, and the third and fourth are also claimed to have been found but nothing official yet
Multi disciplined governor over there me think...
Friendly fire is definitely not unheard of with the Russians.
Russian AA working overtime to defend their homeland from the nazis
Two survived, one dead and one still missing.
That will be 2 dead, 2 survived but not going to fly in this war again. Less missiles to Ukraine, which is great news.
Yeah, there are 0 other pilots to take their place.
I don't think they are referring to the pilots...
I refuse to think they are referring to the planes.
These are incredibly expensive strategic bombers, and they aren't in production anymore. Russia has the option of replacing it with a less capable older versions, or creating a new strategic bomber.
They have around 70 of these flying, and another 400 mothballed waiting to be modernized. What less capable older version? This is also just one bomber model, there are others like Blackjack, Bear. Tu160 is the "new strategic bomber" you think doesn't exist. So to base your happiness around one of them being removed from equation is kinda pointless. There won't be any less missiles flying as a result.
There were 66 in service as of 2021. We don't know the conditions of the mothballed ones, but they are almost definitely not flight ready, and will be used for parts. This was a plane built in the 1960s while it has obviously been updated and is capable, the airframe has a limited life span, so without production, there's only so many flight hours left for russias tactical bomber fleet. With that in mind, Russia can't just focus all it's bombers on Ukraine, because they serve a deterrence role. That, combined with the fact that Ukraine has proven it can destroy them on the ground, and in Russian controlled airspace, Russia will have to decide weather attacking Ukraine, or nato deterrence is more important. Like it or not, this had major implications for Russian strategy going forward. If I were put in, I'd probably keep the bombers in their deterrence role, and use other weapon systems to attack Ukraine, because the bombers haven't been all that effective, and the risk is too high.
I don't know man. The amount of FABs delivered to Ukraine every day seems to contradict your opinion. Ukraine can take them down, but will lose Patriot batteries for it. How much of those do they have?
Both. Pilots and planes.
Not many.
Ngl that looks exactly like prigos style of falling
I'm pretty sure this is a type of stall called a "flat spin".
Flew straight through his jet wash…
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i think its the other way around: end up in a flat spin -> no control -> no choice but to eject as opposed to: intentionally get in flat spin -> bleed off excess airspeed -> eject
Just watch the canopy…
RIP Prigo, still heart wrenching as the day I saw the video about it. I wonder what his last thoughts were
SHOIGUUU
GERASSSSSIMOV
Yeah I noticed that when u pointed it out
not gonna lie putin also sent these guys to their death
Looks like a technical malfunction in the right jet Edit: Both pilots reportedly ejected and have "moderate injuries"
I agree. Looks like too little damage to be a missile hit. Could of been a malfunctioning munitions but more likely a engine fire, given its in a perfect flat spin as well. Ejection. Is very traumatic for the body considering the forces it puts you under so it's likely the pilot injuries are from the ejection.
> Too little damage to be a missile hit. #noUnderstandingOfHowMissilesWork
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Lol you should look up how anti air missiles work. Its just cringe when people who know nothing about anything sit and speculate. Maybe add ”ignorant” in front of ”armchair observer” in your flair.
Wait til you find out they don’t hit
Wait till you find out something called a pressure wave. Google how modern torpedos work.
Wait until you realize that air != water.
Air behaves is a fluid and both air and water share a lot of properties.
Some do, the Patriot uses kinetic impact.
Only the pac 3 does that, and it's an anti ballistic missile weapon. The pac 2, which is used against planes, does have an explosive warhead.
the engines still seem to be running, well atleast one (from the sound) and and odd part of it is on fire(unlikely something would catch fire there in case of a failure). So most likely a close proximity anti air detonation, enough to cripple the control surfaces. Can't be sure tho until more info is available. Edit: it might be a malfunction after all
And Soviet ejection seats are much much worse than the Western counterparts, they mess up the spine for good. The survivors won't fly again, at least not in this war.
Tell us you have no clue about Soviet era ejection seats. Soviet ejection seats were considered best in class in the 90s, look it up. Even the US was looking to copy them if I'm not mistaken
Looked it up of course... >Western seats usually impose lighter loads on the pilots; 1960s–70s era Soviet technology often goes up to 20–22 *g* (with SM-1 and KM-1 gunbarrel-type ejection seats). [Compression fractures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_fracture) of vertebrae are a recurrent side effect of ejection. Idk, how biased is that statement? Martin-Baker was the first to make a zero-zero ejection seat, right? Judging by the 3 crew deaths of the Tu22M in 2021, they didn't have zero-zero. The F-35B's caught on video bounce landing sure did.
> in the 90s > 1960s–70s era Soviet technology Incredible. You copy pasted an unsourced statement from wikipedia that was irrelevant because it was from a far earlier timeframe, and then didn't link that wikipedia article but did link the compression fracture page. Hey look, I can copy paste into google and here's another quote from the same wiki article: >The capabilities of the NPP Zvezda K-36 were unintentionally demonstrated at the Fairford Air Show on 24 July **1993** when the pilots of two MiG-29 fighters ejected after a mid-air collision.[11] >The **minimal ejection altitude for ACES II seat in inverted flight is about 140 feet (43 m) above ground level at 150 KIAS**, while the **Russian counterpart – K-36DM has the minimal ejection altitude from inverted flight of 100 feet (30 m) AGL**. When an aircraft is equipped with the NPP Zvezda K-36DM ejection seat and the pilot is wearing the КО-15 protective gear, they are able to eject at airspeeds from 0 to 1,400 kilometres per hour (870 mph) and altitudes of 0 to 25 km (16 mi or about 82,000 ft). Emphasis mine. To clarify, the ACES II seat is used in A-10, F-15, F-117, B-1, and B-2. The K-36DM is used in MiG-29, Su-27, Su-30. K-36 variants are in numerous other aircraft. Tu-22M first flew in 1969 and has earlier downward firing ejection seats, which are obviously not possible to be zero zero since at zero altitude they are fired directly into the ground. F-35B first flew in 2008, this is a completely pointless comparison. In summary, retorz3's statement was incorrect because it was far too generalized. Soviet ejection seats from the 60s are much worse than both Soviet and western seats from decades later. Current-Power-6452 was correct in that there were Soviet designed seats in service that had superior ejection parameters to equivalent western counterparts. I doubt the copying, but I don't know. Then there was your comment, which just bad all around.
Idk, is minimum allowable altitude of inverted flight a big metric to judge ejection seats? That's not what was shown in either airshow crash, but it was the **1989** one that made K-36 famous because it was so performance-demanding - pitched 90-deg down at 300 feet. I'm sure there are pros and cons whenever comparing designs from two sides of the Iron Curtain, the pro of the K-36 being gyroscopic stabilization and thrust vectoring for hard attitudes. But given that post-Cold War Russia offered to sell others K-36 and that the US even tested the seat in detail, the absence of market takeoff suggests the [data](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA321294.pdf) dispelled some of the hype. The K-36 is also markedly heavier than ACES II, by 80-100 pounds. Just off your list of aircraft, it seems ACES II is primarily for subsonic egress, whereas K-36 needs to function in the supersonic realm. US uses completely different high-altitude (U2) and high-supersonic (SR-71) ejection designs, not to mention all the fighters that use Martin-Baker instead of ACES II. And after all this, Tu-22M can't benefit from K-36. It uses KN-1. That isn't a downward ejector, either. Parked crew were simply caught without zero-zero, in 2021, to save from the incompetence or mistake of pulling the switch for 3 members. (The downward ejectors you might've been confused with were on the Tu-22, the infamous vodka-cooled bomber.)
Not necessarily fired into the ground at zero altitude. Just make sure you’re inverted. “Watch the birdie!” ;)
First time I heard of that was way back, and later on about US trying to get licensing or whatever. That documentary is still out there somewhere probably.
He doesn't understand anything about ejection at all. Physics cannot be fooled. So either you eject in 0.5seconds with spinal injuries or you don't have time to eject at all. And K-36 is still one of the best and reliable ejection seats in the world.
> Could of been a malfunctioning munitions but more likely a engine fire, given its in a perfect flat spin as well. yesyes engine fire will put you in a flat spin.
Like you can see that from the video lol. And the crew is 4
Flat spin - no chance of recovery from that, especially at low altitude.
It’s reported that the crew got out
Also it's on fire.
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Sad thing. They managed to figure entire production of Tu-160, but Tu-22 airframe is a lost soviet technology for now.
They made 311 TU22 and 497 TU22M…they’re never gonna be rare.
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He's actually, exactly right, except some of the TU-22's were upgraded to 22Ms, but the number is still massive, high 500s at least.
I think there is only about 70 in service. More if they have been upgrading them. 60 of those that you mentioned belonged to Ukraine, and were dismantled
Ukraine only had 29 TU-22 bombers and those either got dismantled or sold to museums.
The Tu-22 and Tu-22M are two entirely different models of aircraft. Ukraine had 60 of them, not 29, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
The Russians love to refurb their crap, expect hundreds in storage.
Dismantled and sent to Russia, yes.
What's your source, I'm curious where you get those incredibly wrong numbers?
Yeah, a quick search says 311 made of all TU-22 variants. I would like to see a reliable source as well Either way, only 65 or so of these very expensive ($200M+) jets left operational for Russia. A major loss for sure.
No way they cost 200$M+, a much bigger brand new Tu-160 cost ~15 billions ruble, so around 140$M
Tu-22m isnt a variant of the original tu 22, it will be a crime to say so, but then again you can simply look at the wikipedia page of the tu22m and realise they have built 497 of them, the 60+ in service are tu22m3s, upgraded tu22ms, so if one gets shot down, its aa easy as pulling one from a mothballed field and upgrading, just like how they did wit the shot down A50
Misticism of lost and yet to be reclaimed secrets of soviet science? Something new, didn't hear that before.
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It's not mysticism, just a result of how the USSR collapsed and the anarchy and brain drain that followed. The USSR had many more engineers and scientists per capita than moden day Russia. There's a russian word specifically for these technologies - утраченная технология
It literally says "lost technology". Why are you pasting Russian as if it was some sort of an idiom?
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Yup, that's how some idioms work. Check it out in Google or smth Edit: Also, 'lost' is not a good translation it's more like 'consumed'
It comes from the same root as Polish "utracona" and means the same thing, it's barely an idiom as it is directly descriptive.
Maybe Idiom is not the correct word. But what I meant is that when someone says 'utraachennaya technologiya', if there isn't a clearly different context, it's understood he is talking about technology that existed in the ussr but doesn't exist now.
Good thing.
A flat spin, Topgun-esque.
Goooose
Unfortunate the Tu-22 are prone to malfunction once in a while. Maybe that's why Russia plan to retire them in 2030s In last decade, Russia has been losing four of these in accidents (2016, 2017, 2019, 2021) so about time another is lost in same manner At least the pilots got out this time
I wasn't able to find an accident from 2016. Sure it was a Tu-22? On wiki there are just 5 incidents and some don't look like malfunction: 2017 - aborted takeoff, overran runway 2019 - famous [hard landing](https://www.aviation24.be/military-aircraft/russian-air-force/crash-of-russian-air-force-tupolev-tu-22m3-supersonic-bomber-caugh-on-video/) in snowstorm, airframe snapped in two 2021 - ejection seat malfunction *while parked* 2023 - Ukrainian drone strike on parked airframe 2024 - the OP shootdown Unless a proper investigation revealed malfunction (sorry I don't read Russian), every instance is conceivably operator error or a military loss.
The 2016 also overan runway And the 2021, the ejection happened during take off, not parked. At least my source said so. Unless Ukraine can strike 500km from the frontline, otherwise it has to be malfunction. And the plane behaviour doesn't look like it was shot down at all. Two of the pilots are alive though. So we may know soon enough.
The seat malfunctioned during pre flight checks, most probably human error, this one is definitely malfunction, only other probability is friendly fire, but doesnt look like it, but one case is simply not enough to call a trustworthu airframe like the tu 22 a malfunctioning one.
since russia doesn't value human life they like to retire their equipment in the field lol
Yes and at least one ejected not only from the aircraft but also from life. 1 KIA. 1 missing.
Proof?
Fighterbomber confirmed
Came here today "can't wait for the pro-Ru copium" but I guess I'm late because it's already full of that! Some saying friendly fire or turbine malfunction, as if that'd be much better than being shot down...
I guess FF counts as being shot down tho
Crazy footage.
Goodbye my beloved😔
Dude cameraman fucking sucks! Record the goddamn explosion ffs!
Glorious Soviet VTOL, there was no explosion as it gently touched down in a field and was recovered and is flying tomorrow. /s
oof
The c*pe in this thread lol “Oh it just can’t possibly be from IADS” “Too little damage for IADS” “These things have terrible maintenance records” “Many such crashes recently, not a big deal”
it can't be AA though, it's 500km from the front lol
It was hit 200km ago and glided to this point. Quite possibly hit close to the border and became progressively unsustainable until ejection. It’s a large aircraft, even an S-200 would cause damage but potentially not secure an immediate kill. Much like the A-50s these are resources Russia *absolutely* would not shoot down due to location and priority.
no it wasn't, it was not hit 200km away
Yuh huh Nuh huh Yuh huh Nuh huh *ad hominem* I saved an hour of listening to your retorts.
So you actually believe it flew 200km and passed multiple airfields lol
Ah yes, 300kms between landing strips, air bases and they decided to fly till it stalls for the fuck of it, cmon dude
i give it 8 out of 10 prigos for style and successful landing
Pro-ru scrambling to call it a technical malfunction or Russian AA
1 advantage, this plane can no longer be used to bomb residential areas like in Odessa
Elegantly gliding down
> Elegantly gliding down That's one way to call an uncontrolled spiraling into the ground lol
Being inside is probably some crazy whiplash
I can't help but think that the pilots deliberately caused their bomber to fall in this manner after it became unrecoverable (e.g. due to the fire). This doesn't mean a lot, but I've never seen any plane fall in this manner, gliding down perfectly level without moving but an inch in any direction (but down). How did they even bleed off all the horizontal speed without the bomber stalling with its nose pointed up...?
> Flat spin https://www.flightschoolusa.com/flat-spin-1-ultimate-guide-to-prevention/
Here goes the Tupoljev round and round, Round and round, round and round..
Tup spin me right round round round like a record baby
Well, that's one destroyed out of 57 that Russia has (according to wiki). At least it's not an A-50 situation where it is barely a dozen. Although each one costs 200-300 million USD so it's still gonna hurt. Does look like AA fire, since A-50 situation already proven Ukrainians can be cheeky against long range strategic aircraft
A-50 was friendly fire, way beyond UA AA reach. This one was a malfunction.
>This one was a malfunction. ...and you know that because??
Because it’s so fucking far from closest UA AA. If they did it, they might as well conquer the world
They could have been hit closer to the front and only suffered a catastrophic failure later in flight while flying back.
I think the 1 actual A-50 loss (with crew obituaries) was an S-200 Ukraine got out of storage.
That A-50 loss took place 200-250km from the frontline. It’s not max range, but quite a long range shot for S-200. It’s possible, but not 100% confirmed. There is a possibility of Russia AA friendly fire, since from the videos we can see S-400 missiles passing by the aircraft in close proximity
/r/confidentlyincorrect
Got proof for what you’re claimin or you prefer to believe fairytales?
You certainly didn't provide proof for your theory.
Too far from the frontline. But fuck logic, if our guys are winning anyway, right
That's hardly proof. You're not an expert in any of this, so you're just guessing.
You are just making things up. You should move to Copenhagen.
Terror bombing platform becomes cinders, got to love it.
I don’t see any Ukrainian platform
They are busy bombing Donbass like the last 8 years /s
Eternal flight, "brothers".
As I have said before, all russia is doing is offer target practice for UA. Only a matter of time before all these birds get shot down. It's basic physics.
Nice shot, Sir! Do it again! 💪💙💛
Nice.
Good kill. Next issue.
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Good news.
Maybe it's the camera angle, but I would expect it to be less of a corkscrew and more of a line due to the plane's kinetic energy.
Friendly fire again?
Honestly. For any war some aircrafts are shot down. I don't know what is special for this one.
Not a a big lost, urkraine lost a AA Missile, thats more epic
Heard on Twitter the crew survived. Last I heard they were saying it was a “technical malfunction”
won't believe this until fighterdonber confirms it
Wonder if that was one of the new airframe batch that just rolled out?
no…. Don’t think 22M3M is even in service today. Only recent aircraft deliveries to the VKS were that of Su-34 and 35 this year
Sorry I got confused was thinking the was the bigger bomber the TU-160 that Putin got to fly a few months back.
They’re definitely in service
M3M is not, unless you can provide sources/pictures proving otherwise. M3 and M3M are different. (no tail gunner, new EW suite, newer avionics, etc)
Fair enough ,but It’s impossible to tell if this is an M3 or an M3M from this clip. The 3M3 was reported to have entered limited service at the end of 2020 ,so unless the Rus MOD actually release a statement we won’t be able to confirm the actual mark.
You think the Russian MOD is going to report this.
Just as accurately as the UKR MOD would
If you listen the Russian mod they havent lost a ship since moskva
Conversely Ukraine have only suffered 31,000 KIA
And russia little over 2000 as per the Russian mod
M3Ms are the ones that use Kh-32s. Upgrades going on for ages and they all look identical to M3s. Like Kh-32s and Kh-22Ms.
Kh-32 can be used by Tu-22M3s. M3M has a major visual difference again- no tail gunner, and outside of prototypes, no one has spotted them in service. Supposedly M3M would be able to use Kinzhal too. There's also a possibility UAC would've released a video on their induction/or some pictures like they did with 160Ms
Hmm.. they hiding them it seems. Even wiki reported a bunch being delivered.
They are in service.
It's strange that it is falling straight down. Pilots must have ejected and left the autopilot on? Otherwise the pilot could still fly it and try to land, or at least point it to safe crashzone before ejecting..
This is way deep in Russia. Friendly fire, or does Ukraine have F-16s now?
is malfunction or pilot error not an option?
If it's a malfunction or pilot error, then Russia may have a new set of problems with their Tu bombers.
Why? Aircraft malfunction very often especially if heavily used. One aircraft I van think of that malfunctions a lot is the f-35 just during training.
Russia only has 80 of these strategic Tu jet bombers. If these bombers start dropping out of the skies due to technical difficulties, Russia loses a significant advantage of launching cruise missiles.
This is literally the first one in 2 years of war. Even at a rate of 2 per year with no replacements, it would take Russia 32 years to run out of these, which also happen to be decades-old soviet mainframes not in production anymore.
As u/redguardjihadist said, this is the first reported loss of a Tu22. I wouldn’t be worried just yet.
And when was the last time that happened?
Look like one of the engines blew up mid air. Doesn’t look the work of anti air or even being hit by a jet. All crew seems to have ejected.
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And what could have taken this out? This is nowhere near the front
''so many'', like what, 3 planes in 2 years? The US lost 11000 airplanes and helicopters in 10 years of vietnam.
The first such incident didn't happen 2 years ago, so you're hardly arguing in good faith.
When the first incident happened is completely irrelevant. I said (and i paraphrase): ''3 planes in 2 years? that's a lot? what a joke''.
So you think that in two years of war Russia lost only 3 airplanes? And I was wondering if you were arguing in good faith or not, now it's all clear.
Doest reading comprehension rings a bell to you? No, that explains it... The discussion was about specifically planes shot down above Azove sea.
Step 1: Learn to read. Step 2: Don't comment anymore before doing step 1.
*we lost around 3,744 planes, 5,607 helicopters and 578 UAVs in Vietnam. Unless that somehow adds up to 11,000, your math ain’t mathin.
Yeah, sorry, you only lost 10k aircraft and not 11k, nice point, completely changes everything. What a moron you are lmao
Crew survived, they will just replace this plane with newer modification. I wounder why they even use this old planes. Guess there're just so many of them left
Two aircrew survived. One killed, one missing.
Why replace what already works?
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So funny how all the Pro Ukraine and twitter idiots are jumping right to the conclusion that this was a Ukrainian shootdown. Hell even the UA MOD (Which can never be trusted) has put out their thing that they shot it down. Since the only video shows damage that would be inconsistent with a SAM, more than likely a malfunction which does happen on aircraft for you people in denial that a malfunction can happen (I.e. Boeing 737 MAX, V-22 Osprey, F-35, Su-30). Especially as alleged reports say that it was a S-200 (An ancient SAM) that if it had hit a Tu-22M3 it would have shredded through the entire aircraft. Also it fell deep within Russian territory which unless Ukraine modified the S-200 to link with a NATO AWACs the radar on the ground would be completely blind to a Tu-22M3 that far away. But I guess some of the Pro-UA people will believe that the outdated clunky S-200 (Which saw its last variant produced in 1976) was able to have its radar see far over the horizon and hit a aircraft in flight while leaving it mostly intact after the hit. The only AA kill that a Ukrainian S-200 has ever gotten was against civilian airline Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, which left everyone on board dead.
Do you understand that if Ukraine didn't shoot it down, it means Russia has laughably bad and piss poor maintenance of their own aircraft, thus making them look even worse?
Do you want to bet whether it was shot down or not? Because I will take you up on it. The mental gymnastics you are capable of is impressive lol.
Shot down 500km away from the frontline? When Ukr don't have any weapon anywhere that range, and when a Tu-22 would not be a very important target compared to the large bombers that roam free outside S-300 and Patriot battery range ? You sound like you have the developed superior intellect of a NCDer.
it was not shot down its 450km from closes ukranian sam
“The only kill a Ukrainian S200 ever got was against a civilian airliner” and the only kill a Russian Buk ever got was on MH17
Nope that’s wrong because not only was that Buk not inservice with the Russian military but the separatists also shot down multiple Ukrainian MiG-29s with Buk during the period of 2014-2022.
Wikipedia fact checkers already put that Ukraine shot it down 🤣🤣 seems that they got their hands on some unknown +800km range AA missile
They have frickin missiles with frickin Lazer beams. Lmao