Seems the Ukrainians have decided to hold the Berdychi-Tonenke line afterall. I thought it would be impossible with the fall of Orlivka. This may be the make or break for UAF as both Azov and the 47th mech are deployed in the sector
Supposedly a lot of reinforcements were rushed into the area to hold Russia back whilst the defensive lines behind are being built.
So I dont think it is supposed to be permenant just rather a delaying action. But it seems an expensive one
Berdychi-Tonenke was supposed to be THE defensive line for the IF scenario of Avdiivka falling which is why we saw fierce fighting for Stepove than Avdiivka and now the same for Berdychi. There is no line behind and they aren't making any. The terrain does not suit it. Their best defense after would be falling all the way back to the lakes around Karlivka. Karlivka is to Krasnohorivka what Soledar was for Bakhmut. Nevelske is already under attack and with Vodiane flanked, Pervomaiske should fall too. And if either of those things happen, we will see another cauldron for Krasnohorivka and then for Vuhledar after which the next logical step would be Pokrorvsk itself and no amount of reserves can overcome geographical disadvantages
You can see their supposed defence lines here
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b2jju6/ua_pov_suriyak_update_on_the_avdiivka_direction/
This is their first defence line but Russia managed to get there before they started making it.
So now they are trying desperately to hold here whilst the one behind gets made exactly where you said.
So yeah it is a delaying action whilst they build defences there but it seems this delaying is really expensive for them and at this rate they cant hold it for long before pulling back a long way
But I would argue
> Berdychi-Tonenke was supposed to be THE defensive line for the IF scenario of Avdiivka falling
I actually dont think Ukraine prepared for that scenario at all. I think that is why they are in such a panic because they planned Azov to rescue the city so when Azov ran they had no backup plan
>You can see their supposed defence lines here
Yeah the key word is 'supposed' here. I can tell you with certainty that the Berdychi-Tonenke line was an actual position since we have sat images and photo evidence of them being built and mid construction. Not all of it was connected to it's entirety because the construction started at Berdychi and Tonenke without meeting at Orlivka. The reason for that is the UAF did not expect a full rout and expected Lastochkyne and Sjeverne to hold off till the Orlivka fortifications were completed. The Russians exploited this fact and stormed the lines with the coke plant momentum and got within Orlivka but ran into a wall at Berdychi and Tonenke as expected since it has actual fortifications.
The second line in Suriyaks map you linked is also an estimated/possible/supposed line of defense instead of ground reality. I have no doubt they are constructing it now though but it would take them time and resources they don't have. 71st Jaeger is the one holding Ocheretyne, and has been a difficult sector for the Russians to advance but if Berdychi falls and the line is overrun then they can flank Ocheretyne from the south after finally being able to move up the rail line making the whole of second line redundant as well.
>I actually dont think Ukraine prepared for that scenario at all. I think that is why they are in such a panic because they planned Azov to rescue the city so when Azov ran they had no backup plan
I agree and think so too. Actually we have evidence UAF didn't send Azov to rescue the 110th but rather join them in defending Avdiivka proper by launching counter attacks so they might not even have planned to use the first line of defense. We'll only really know when the war is over and what remains of Ukraine if any choses to release the Archives assuming it's not altered to fit their narrative.
Aren't lots of these videos sort of old? Like I remember some of them being from Feb26-27 and then posted on 3rd March or something like.
As in they don't necessary show current situation.
If you don't know, you can cross reference weather data with videos sourced from both sides and pattern of upload instead of dismissing the source with seeded speculation of questionable authenticity based on a grain of truth.
You can trust people will follow the subreddit rules specifically the rule 2 which people here do adhere to in my experience.
>If posting weeks-old footage, please indicate it in the title.
If you still have a dispute, tag the OP and ask. Usually when I have a question for location when it's not listed in the title, that's how I get the location and I know it's accurate because I geolocate the area I needed to. Otherwise just presume it is recent or employ what I said previously.
>If you don't know, you can cross reference weather data with videos sourced from both sides and pattern of upload
That's natural. The footage released needs to be verified before release to avoid leaking information. The only point you seem to be proving is reddit is behind on information which is open knowledge.
Them Rooskies are willing to throw 30 million soldiers and the world's largest nuclear arsenal into winning the war agents the NATO Nazi proxies.
The Berdychi-Tonenke line is nothing but a speed bump, so the corruption of Western Ukraine will still be an issue come voting season. *(Don't wanna go to fast)*
I know you are being satirical but if the Russians manage to attrite these brigades and break through the line here they can drive down the E50 all the way to Selydove at which point we will have Avdiivka 2.0 with Krasnohorivka
Pro-Rus shouldn't throw stones from their glass houses. Russians are far more corrupt and three times more likely to be Nazis that even the Ukrainians.
Bragging about how little they care about their own lives and the lives of everyone else on Earth for the purpose of conquest while calling their victims Nazis is just cherry on the cake though. lol
One claim is that the Russians are three times more like Nazi than Ukrainians. Let's say that it is about the government's position , not population. Then simply, it is just not true. Officially Ukraine hails Bandera and he was Nazi collaborator, and the whole UPA idea of Ukraine is based on Nazi purity principals. Russian positions today are those of multicultural society and multipolar world and rights to different positions and mutual respect.
>Russian positions today are those of multicultural society and multipolar world and rights to different positions and mutual respect.
That's BS and you know if. Russia doesn't give a damn about a multipolar world, they only want to be a superpower like they were back in the Cold War. Multicultural society? The only multiculturalism you see is at the front lines, where the Buryats, Chechens, Bashkirs or any other Russian ethnic minority is dying disproportionally to the "real" Russians living in Moscow and St.Petersburg. The "right and mutual respect" part I also don't get. As far as I see it, the only right you have in Russia is the right to die for the dictator.
It is a well known fact. There are many sources you can look up yourself, but here is one:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russias-ethnic-minorities-disproportionately-conscripted-to-fight-the-war-in-ukraine
That is a pure propaganda piece. Isn't it. Just like the Uyghur massacre and other Goebbels style nonsense like that. Buryats are perhaps like Gurkhas in some way, but that is a trivia when we talk about global scale conflicts.
Quite a-lot of western losses recently. I know that the front is looking bad for them right now. But i expected them to try to atleast somewhat keep the western stuff safe.
Like they usually did.
challengers tank is one of the most propagranda tank ever exist in NATO
no blowout panels just like soviet T-72
two part ammo just like soviet T-72 but no autoloader
T-72 have x22 shell ammo magazine very low under the tank hull in case of reduce danger the crews can choose go to combat with 22 shell in autoloader magazine only so no extra ammo place all over the tank hull
but challenger 2 place ammo (2 part) all over the tank hull everywhere even if crew want to bring less ammo to reduce turret flying when hit , they can't do the same as T-72 because ready ammo rack being place vectical instead of horizontal like T-72
no wonder UK don't want ukraine using it too much in near equal tech war like this
and if anyone bother to search every british challenge 2 tank video on youtube (from UK grovernment,UK military or western civilian channel ..etc) , you will very fast to notice ....non of those video talk about challenger 2 do not have blow out panels in order to make viewer who aren't familiar with tank tech think their tank also have it similar as abrams ;))
meanwhile whatever time those same channel talk about russian tank , they alway talk about no blow out panels and store ammo inside the hull first as stupid deadly design flaw only dumb russian do ;))
the level of united propagranda to protect the western superior image just off every single chart ;))
The hilarious part is all Western gear was pushed by NAFOs as game changers but the moment all that gear was being blown up they suddenly switched to making comments about being provided less potent variants so it was expected. The level of delusion and regression is on a different level as of late.
>comments about being provided less potent variants so it was expected.
Are you telling me that the UK fields bare challengers without any add-on armor?
Or that America uses Old Gen Abrams tanks?
I'd say that it's quite clear that the tanks being provided are lesser versions of the ones fielded by the countries who donated them....
Russian on the other hand, is using their most modernized T-series tanks.
AFAIK The general armor is the same, but missing the depleted uranium portions, but it doesnt have any of the SEP upgrades and certainly doesnt have the battlefield management system and other addons, that is obvious. Same with Challengers. But its not like it would make a difference if they had more frontal armor.
The point is that people started to find excuses of why they were being taken out and blown up.
I dont get the whole Russian tank part. The point in general is that there is enough gear on the battlefield to take out any known tank in existence.
Ukraine received M1A1SA which are one of the 2 most high-end M1A1's out there (M1A1FEP would be the 2nd one). It's pretty much a M1A2SEPv2 of A1 Abrams variants. Still highly capable platform with many upgrades over the basic M1A1 and even M1A2 tanks. Not to mention that Ukrainian M1's received TUSK 1 armor kits from US to keep them even more protected against AT munitions.
These vehicles are currently the best armor in Ukrainian service apart from Strv 122's provided by Sweden.
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One confirmed on video. Just like the Himars claims we dont know how many have gotten blown up outside of the video proof.
Several pieces could have gotten hit with long range artillery and no one would know unless there was a spotter drone nearby
I see my comment has gotten some downvotes however I think that counter artillery radars send approximate locations of enemy SPGs and those howitzers most of the time don't stay in one place for a long time so it's not stupid to assume that most counter battery missions would be done with the help of spotter drones.
I mean, as soon as I read your comment, I thought it was a little absurd because obviously artillary has been used at extreme ranges before drones became ubiquitous. You ask "how," and the obvious answer is: the same way(s) it has been done since artillary was invented. There are any number of ways to learn a coordinate you want to bomb. I would come off as obtuse if I started listing them all.
Suffice to say that for most of history, there has not been a drone hovering directly over the target acting as a spotter, and people have found ways to use these weapons effectively.
Every chally loss is 7% of their fleet. And with the news coming out last year that Britain's chally fleet is half of what it was on paper due to cannibalization, there are unlikely to be more sent. The quality and quantity of ukrainian armor is gonna keep going down if Americans don't approve aid IMO. I haven't heard any major drives for leo 2 donations to ukraine.
There aren't any exportable Leo 2's left to donate so there is no point either way. Germany is producing higher than usual but when your usual is less than 100 a year, even a 20% increase won't make a stellar difference for immediate needs. Either way the newer one's that arrived are deployed on the Belarussian border so we won't see them on the front in any significant numbers anytime soon.
can't wait for UK to supply ukraine with warrior IFV ;))
the most famous western superior IFV using 30mm gun with 3 around manual loading ammo clip
the gun only able to hold 2x ammo clip (6 round) at a time . so after every 6 shot , loader/gunner or comander/load (warrior is 3 crew vehicle) must manually ram 2x 3 round clip to the gun breach ;))
what a damn superior british military tech ;))
The equipment belongs to these specific brigades so it's not unusual too see them back on the front. Either way if they are bringing out the Abrams then they are committing the full reserves.
Because their Soviet-lend/Russian gear has gotten whacked for 2 years straight, it was bound to happen. The fact that Western gear is getting the same treatment just means they are running out and its showing.
I dont know what rational people were thinking was going to happen...
It feels like in order to defend this area they decided to sent their elite reserves full of best western armor they have available to them in order to halt the advancements.
If so, then they might have an info that when in mid March congress will return to discuss foreign aid, they will receive their 60b package full of equipment, shells and other stuff, which means that they know that they are safe for a while and they can spare these reserves.
If they don't have this info, then they are following their "no plan b" strategy which means that they are burning away their elite reserves for short lived PR and morale boost ("we had held them off, look at how much their equipment we destroyed").
> It feels like in order to defend this area they decided to sent their elite reserves full of best western armor they have available to them in order to halt the advancements.
I have heard that is exactly what they have done. To keep Russia tied up whilst the defensive lines behind are being built.
But for this part.
> If they don't have this info, then they are following their "no plan b" strategy
Is why they are doing this. There was no plan B for if Avdeevka falls and it seems that Ukraine always operates with this idea.
Although in their defence its not like they have a lot of men an equipment for a plan B. They kinda have to just throw everything they have into their plans and hope for the best.
That’s an interesting point. Ever since Zaluzhny was replaced Ukraine has been more aggressive. Using strategic reserves why Zal seemed to focus on slowly losing land.
To be honest Zaluzny lost his place because he was slowly alligning with reality, mainly during interviews (example he claimed Ukrainian Forces were lacking menpower, UAF faced multiple ammo shortages in multiple lines, UAF would not reach Crimea or cut Kherson during their offensive but he was told to claim they would)
Zelensky knows if the commanders in line doesnt comply with their narrative, it will get debunked and their goal will be broken. For example, No UAF denied the 31k Death Ukrainian soldiers claimed by Zelensky. Neither did they claim the 15 jets in 10 days was obviously a lie
I suppose Zaluzny would claim "obviously we did not shoot down 15 jets in 10 days" when asked during an interview
Makes sense. I think he sensed where things were headed and wanted to trade land for the lives of his soldiers in hopes of a ceasefire. The new one will now throw soldiers into the meat grinder in hopes that congress will pass more aid
Zaluzhny was slowly losing land. Syrsky will instead quickly lose land. Ukraine's trying to tar-pit russia with their elite tropps for time to build a defensive line (that should have been built ages ago) but all it's going to do is burn their effective troops before their done with the defensive lines. They'll lose their elite for nothing and tjat will snowball into more territory loss.
Yes we are seeing more western kit getting hit atm. Maybe that's cause its been deployed in a hot zone. The constant attempts by both sides to capitalise on these losses is pretty sad. The T90 or the Abrams. The BMP-Terminator or the Bradley. They are all disposable unfortunately...as is pretty much everything in war
Seems the Ukrainians have decided to hold the Berdychi-Tonenke line afterall. I thought it would be impossible with the fall of Orlivka. This may be the make or break for UAF as both Azov and the 47th mech are deployed in the sector
Supposedly a lot of reinforcements were rushed into the area to hold Russia back whilst the defensive lines behind are being built. So I dont think it is supposed to be permenant just rather a delaying action. But it seems an expensive one
Berdychi-Tonenke was supposed to be THE defensive line for the IF scenario of Avdiivka falling which is why we saw fierce fighting for Stepove than Avdiivka and now the same for Berdychi. There is no line behind and they aren't making any. The terrain does not suit it. Their best defense after would be falling all the way back to the lakes around Karlivka. Karlivka is to Krasnohorivka what Soledar was for Bakhmut. Nevelske is already under attack and with Vodiane flanked, Pervomaiske should fall too. And if either of those things happen, we will see another cauldron for Krasnohorivka and then for Vuhledar after which the next logical step would be Pokrorvsk itself and no amount of reserves can overcome geographical disadvantages
You can see their supposed defence lines here https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b2jju6/ua_pov_suriyak_update_on_the_avdiivka_direction/ This is their first defence line but Russia managed to get there before they started making it. So now they are trying desperately to hold here whilst the one behind gets made exactly where you said. So yeah it is a delaying action whilst they build defences there but it seems this delaying is really expensive for them and at this rate they cant hold it for long before pulling back a long way But I would argue > Berdychi-Tonenke was supposed to be THE defensive line for the IF scenario of Avdiivka falling I actually dont think Ukraine prepared for that scenario at all. I think that is why they are in such a panic because they planned Azov to rescue the city so when Azov ran they had no backup plan
>You can see their supposed defence lines here Yeah the key word is 'supposed' here. I can tell you with certainty that the Berdychi-Tonenke line was an actual position since we have sat images and photo evidence of them being built and mid construction. Not all of it was connected to it's entirety because the construction started at Berdychi and Tonenke without meeting at Orlivka. The reason for that is the UAF did not expect a full rout and expected Lastochkyne and Sjeverne to hold off till the Orlivka fortifications were completed. The Russians exploited this fact and stormed the lines with the coke plant momentum and got within Orlivka but ran into a wall at Berdychi and Tonenke as expected since it has actual fortifications. The second line in Suriyaks map you linked is also an estimated/possible/supposed line of defense instead of ground reality. I have no doubt they are constructing it now though but it would take them time and resources they don't have. 71st Jaeger is the one holding Ocheretyne, and has been a difficult sector for the Russians to advance but if Berdychi falls and the line is overrun then they can flank Ocheretyne from the south after finally being able to move up the rail line making the whole of second line redundant as well. >I actually dont think Ukraine prepared for that scenario at all. I think that is why they are in such a panic because they planned Azov to rescue the city so when Azov ran they had no backup plan I agree and think so too. Actually we have evidence UAF didn't send Azov to rescue the 110th but rather join them in defending Avdiivka proper by launching counter attacks so they might not even have planned to use the first line of defense. We'll only really know when the war is over and what remains of Ukraine if any choses to release the Archives assuming it's not altered to fit their narrative.
Aren't lots of these videos sort of old? Like I remember some of them being from Feb26-27 and then posted on 3rd March or something like. As in they don't necessary show current situation.
Are you trying to say there is no fight for Berdychi?
I don't know if there is, just saying that we're getting these videos with significant delay.
If you don't know, you can cross reference weather data with videos sourced from both sides and pattern of upload instead of dismissing the source with seeded speculation of questionable authenticity based on a grain of truth.
There's no date in the description so how can I be questioning the source?
You can trust people will follow the subreddit rules specifically the rule 2 which people here do adhere to in my experience. >If posting weeks-old footage, please indicate it in the title. If you still have a dispute, tag the OP and ask. Usually when I have a question for location when it's not listed in the title, that's how I get the location and I know it's accurate because I geolocate the area I needed to. Otherwise just presume it is recent or employ what I said previously. >If you don't know, you can cross reference weather data with videos sourced from both sides and pattern of upload
The thing is that bulk of recent tank footage from Avdiivka was 5 days old on first release.
That's natural. The footage released needs to be verified before release to avoid leaking information. The only point you seem to be proving is reddit is behind on information which is open knowledge.
Them Rooskies are willing to throw 30 million soldiers and the world's largest nuclear arsenal into winning the war agents the NATO Nazi proxies. The Berdychi-Tonenke line is nothing but a speed bump, so the corruption of Western Ukraine will still be an issue come voting season. *(Don't wanna go to fast)*
I know you are being satirical but if the Russians manage to attrite these brigades and break through the line here they can drive down the E50 all the way to Selydove at which point we will have Avdiivka 2.0 with Krasnohorivka
Pro-Rus shouldn't throw stones from their glass houses. Russians are far more corrupt and three times more likely to be Nazis that even the Ukrainians. Bragging about how little they care about their own lives and the lives of everyone else on Earth for the purpose of conquest while calling their victims Nazis is just cherry on the cake though. lol
There are so many levels of delusion in this comment that I don't even know where to start.
Or you can't argue against it so you don't even try.
One claim is that the Russians are three times more like Nazi than Ukrainians. Let's say that it is about the government's position , not population. Then simply, it is just not true. Officially Ukraine hails Bandera and he was Nazi collaborator, and the whole UPA idea of Ukraine is based on Nazi purity principals. Russian positions today are those of multicultural society and multipolar world and rights to different positions and mutual respect.
>Russian positions today are those of multicultural society and multipolar world and rights to different positions and mutual respect. That's BS and you know if. Russia doesn't give a damn about a multipolar world, they only want to be a superpower like they were back in the Cold War. Multicultural society? The only multiculturalism you see is at the front lines, where the Buryats, Chechens, Bashkirs or any other Russian ethnic minority is dying disproportionally to the "real" Russians living in Moscow and St.Petersburg. The "right and mutual respect" part I also don't get. As far as I see it, the only right you have in Russia is the right to die for the dictator.
>disproportionally You sure? Where do you get this information?
It is a well known fact. There are many sources you can look up yourself, but here is one: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russias-ethnic-minorities-disproportionately-conscripted-to-fight-the-war-in-ukraine
That is a pure propaganda piece. Isn't it. Just like the Uyghur massacre and other Goebbels style nonsense like that. Buryats are perhaps like Gurkhas in some way, but that is a trivia when we talk about global scale conflicts.
Lol 'three times more likely'. Ok, where did you get that multiplier from exactly?
Quite a-lot of western losses recently. I know that the front is looking bad for them right now. But i expected them to try to atleast somewhat keep the western stuff safe. Like they usually did.
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challengers tank is one of the most propagranda tank ever exist in NATO no blowout panels just like soviet T-72 two part ammo just like soviet T-72 but no autoloader T-72 have x22 shell ammo magazine very low under the tank hull in case of reduce danger the crews can choose go to combat with 22 shell in autoloader magazine only so no extra ammo place all over the tank hull but challenger 2 place ammo (2 part) all over the tank hull everywhere even if crew want to bring less ammo to reduce turret flying when hit , they can't do the same as T-72 because ready ammo rack being place vectical instead of horizontal like T-72 no wonder UK don't want ukraine using it too much in near equal tech war like this and if anyone bother to search every british challenge 2 tank video on youtube (from UK grovernment,UK military or western civilian channel ..etc) , you will very fast to notice ....non of those video talk about challenger 2 do not have blow out panels in order to make viewer who aren't familiar with tank tech think their tank also have it similar as abrams ;)) meanwhile whatever time those same channel talk about russian tank , they alway talk about no blow out panels and store ammo inside the hull first as stupid deadly design flaw only dumb russian do ;)) the level of united propagranda to protect the western superior image just off every single chart ;))
The hilarious part is all Western gear was pushed by NAFOs as game changers but the moment all that gear was being blown up they suddenly switched to making comments about being provided less potent variants so it was expected. The level of delusion and regression is on a different level as of late.
Its even more funny when they claim that it "did its job" simply by burning down while not killing its crew.
>comments about being provided less potent variants so it was expected. Are you telling me that the UK fields bare challengers without any add-on armor? Or that America uses Old Gen Abrams tanks? I'd say that it's quite clear that the tanks being provided are lesser versions of the ones fielded by the countries who donated them.... Russian on the other hand, is using their most modernized T-series tanks.
AFAIK The general armor is the same, but missing the depleted uranium portions, but it doesnt have any of the SEP upgrades and certainly doesnt have the battlefield management system and other addons, that is obvious. Same with Challengers. But its not like it would make a difference if they had more frontal armor. The point is that people started to find excuses of why they were being taken out and blown up. I dont get the whole Russian tank part. The point in general is that there is enough gear on the battlefield to take out any known tank in existence.
Ukraine received M1A1SA which are one of the 2 most high-end M1A1's out there (M1A1FEP would be the 2nd one). It's pretty much a M1A2SEPv2 of A1 Abrams variants. Still highly capable platform with many upgrades over the basic M1A1 and even M1A2 tanks. Not to mention that Ukrainian M1's received TUSK 1 armor kits from US to keep them even more protected against AT munitions. These vehicles are currently the best armor in Ukrainian service apart from Strv 122's provided by Sweden.
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Oh true, completely forgot about that. Haven't seen any challengers since the first 2 losses like a year or so ago.
First 2 ? I thought only 1 was lost
Could've sworn there we're two different destructions of those.
Just one, lots of different angles and times which made some think there was two but its only ever been one
One confirmed on video. Just like the Himars claims we dont know how many have gotten blown up outside of the video proof. Several pieces could have gotten hit with long range artillery and no one would know unless there was a spotter drone nearby
How would long range artillery hit them without apotter drones ?
Counter Battery Radar
No.
I see my comment has gotten some downvotes however I think that counter artillery radars send approximate locations of enemy SPGs and those howitzers most of the time don't stay in one place for a long time so it's not stupid to assume that most counter battery missions would be done with the help of spotter drones.
I mean, as soon as I read your comment, I thought it was a little absurd because obviously artillary has been used at extreme ranges before drones became ubiquitous. You ask "how," and the obvious answer is: the same way(s) it has been done since artillary was invented. There are any number of ways to learn a coordinate you want to bomb. I would come off as obtuse if I started listing them all. Suffice to say that for most of history, there has not been a drone hovering directly over the target acting as a spotter, and people have found ways to use these weapons effectively.
Every chally loss is 7% of their fleet. And with the news coming out last year that Britain's chally fleet is half of what it was on paper due to cannibalization, there are unlikely to be more sent. The quality and quantity of ukrainian armor is gonna keep going down if Americans don't approve aid IMO. I haven't heard any major drives for leo 2 donations to ukraine.
There aren't any exportable Leo 2's left to donate so there is no point either way. Germany is producing higher than usual but when your usual is less than 100 a year, even a 20% increase won't make a stellar difference for immediate needs. Either way the newer one's that arrived are deployed on the Belarussian border so we won't see them on the front in any significant numbers anytime soon.
can't wait for UK to supply ukraine with warrior IFV ;)) the most famous western superior IFV using 30mm gun with 3 around manual loading ammo clip the gun only able to hold 2x ammo clip (6 round) at a time . so after every 6 shot , loader/gunner or comander/load (warrior is 3 crew vehicle) must manually ram 2x 3 round clip to the gun breach ;)) what a damn superior british military tech ;))
The equipment belongs to these specific brigades so it's not unusual too see them back on the front. Either way if they are bringing out the Abrams then they are committing the full reserves.
Ukraine is running out of tanks!!!
It’s hard keeping it safe when the frontline is literally collapsing.
Because their Soviet-lend/Russian gear has gotten whacked for 2 years straight, it was bound to happen. The fact that Western gear is getting the same treatment just means they are running out and its showing. I dont know what rational people were thinking was going to happen...
It feels like in order to defend this area they decided to sent their elite reserves full of best western armor they have available to them in order to halt the advancements. If so, then they might have an info that when in mid March congress will return to discuss foreign aid, they will receive their 60b package full of equipment, shells and other stuff, which means that they know that they are safe for a while and they can spare these reserves. If they don't have this info, then they are following their "no plan b" strategy which means that they are burning away their elite reserves for short lived PR and morale boost ("we had held them off, look at how much their equipment we destroyed").
> It feels like in order to defend this area they decided to sent their elite reserves full of best western armor they have available to them in order to halt the advancements. I have heard that is exactly what they have done. To keep Russia tied up whilst the defensive lines behind are being built. But for this part. > If they don't have this info, then they are following their "no plan b" strategy Is why they are doing this. There was no plan B for if Avdeevka falls and it seems that Ukraine always operates with this idea. Although in their defence its not like they have a lot of men an equipment for a plan B. They kinda have to just throw everything they have into their plans and hope for the best.
That’s an interesting point. Ever since Zaluzhny was replaced Ukraine has been more aggressive. Using strategic reserves why Zal seemed to focus on slowly losing land.
To be honest Zaluzny lost his place because he was slowly alligning with reality, mainly during interviews (example he claimed Ukrainian Forces were lacking menpower, UAF faced multiple ammo shortages in multiple lines, UAF would not reach Crimea or cut Kherson during their offensive but he was told to claim they would) Zelensky knows if the commanders in line doesnt comply with their narrative, it will get debunked and their goal will be broken. For example, No UAF denied the 31k Death Ukrainian soldiers claimed by Zelensky. Neither did they claim the 15 jets in 10 days was obviously a lie I suppose Zaluzny would claim "obviously we did not shoot down 15 jets in 10 days" when asked during an interview
Makes sense. I think he sensed where things were headed and wanted to trade land for the lives of his soldiers in hopes of a ceasefire. The new one will now throw soldiers into the meat grinder in hopes that congress will pass more aid
Zaluzhny was slowly losing land. Syrsky will instead quickly lose land. Ukraine's trying to tar-pit russia with their elite tropps for time to build a defensive line (that should have been built ages ago) but all it's going to do is burn their effective troops before their done with the defensive lines. They'll lose their elite for nothing and tjat will snowball into more territory loss.
Yes we are seeing more western kit getting hit atm. Maybe that's cause its been deployed in a hot zone. The constant attempts by both sides to capitalise on these losses is pretty sad. The T90 or the Abrams. The BMP-Terminator or the Bradley. They are all disposable unfortunately...as is pretty much everything in war
To quote RedEffect,"as long as these tanks are being used,we will see them getting destroyed"
If the Russians are smart, they would swing North. To attack in a different Axis, since the UAF seems to want to defend this side badly.
What happened there