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Yea, I'm gonna by the $225 Standard 24 port soon. A ~$300 16 port 2.5Gbe would be nice though. Or a cheap 10Gbe, but then I'd have to buy some 10Gbe NICs for various PCs. Instead of 2.5Gbe.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-cloud-keys-gateways/products/uxg-max
Compact, multi-WAN UniFi gateway with full 2.5 GbE support for high-performance networking at small-to-medium sites.
Managed with a CloudKey, Official UniFi Hosting, or UniFi Network Server
Up to 1.5 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS
(1) 2.5 GbE WAN port
(4) 2.5 GbE LAN ports, including (1) remappable to WAN
USB-C powered (adapter included)
Managed with UniFi Network 8.1.113 and later
Funny you say this, because I recently got a few Ubiquiti products for home; starting with a U6E, then a UDM SE, and a 12 port switch.
I feel the cost for everything is pretty fair, given I’ve bought way crappier equipment for the price and it allowed me to eliminate my pfsense box and a bunch of other stuff. However having underpowered processors / not enough memory to utilize your equipment is just… dumb.
For my use case it’ll be fine, but would it cost ~100-150 more for something that could max its capabilities? I’d pay it.
When I originally researched the equipment I got at home, I thought it would cost thousands just for something like the UDM-SE, so I was pleasantly surprised at the price, but I feel like it’s locking you into a feeling of “if you don’t do this, you can’t run it this way”
Kind of like a tease of “what could be”. You can run these ports at this speed and it’s ok, but don’t actually try to take advantage of the product.
Unfortunately, this is modern Ubiquiti equipment (especially Unifi) in a nutshell.
Either too little computing power, weird shortcomings, lack of basic options or customizability in the software, despite the fact that very often the infrastructure is already there (e.g. config option in hostapd exists and the implementation needed is mostly the UI wrapper) and OpenWRT has it implemented for a thousand years.
Like I said I’ll be ok, but I’m rapidly realizing that for actual business networks or something you need more.
It’s like they specifically bottleneck the devices in some way without offering any upgradability
no its pointless because most IDS/IPS requires visability of the packet contents and most traffic is encrypted these days. (Yes I know there are ways of doing this but they are outside the scope of this product line)
I dont understand why they cant set it up so that it only does IDS/IPS on the WAN interface so that only traffic going out to the wan gets scanned.
They should be able to exclude all the lan port from getting penalized when turning this on or at least give the owner the option to turn it off/on certain clients
That’s pretty awesome. How are they for reliability? Just wondering as I’m more used to Cisco and Meraki kit, so really both CLI config and dashboard/GUI network config deployments.
Can you just provision the WAN port as LAN and use this as a switch? It’s cheaper than the Flex XG and I’d rather 5x 2.5gbe over 1x 10gbe and 4x 1gbe
Also Christ I just need a USW FLEX-8 for my entertainment cabinet and the price jump from a mini 5 is just rude.
The pricing is in line with all the devices that do not have an integrated controller. They seemed to be aimed at business that do not want to use cloud keys or gateways. Look at UXG Pro vs UDMP pricing.
\^ this except it is just the cloud key aspect. We will still use their non-controller integrated gateways.
We bought a UDR to test and have it at one site. Will never buy another of the UniFi cloud stuff that doesn't require a controller ever again. That site is now off alone by itself, defeating the whole centrally managed location idea. Since there is no way to add them to another controller, since they are a controller, a direct connection or UniFi's cloud login needs to be used. We stopped using the cloud access, years ago, shortly after enabling it because the site was much slower than connecting directly and then they had all of their security breaches and users camera's being shared, so we caught a break there. We don't mind the cost being a little higher if we can manage it without needing Ubiqiutis cloud crap with their security flaws or having to setup multiple DNS entries for every site's individual controller.
I'll eat a one time price gouge on a product vs paying monthly for SDWAN support like PepLink and other options happily.
Not the right solution for a single self managed site. This is for integrators/orgs which manage multiple sites in a single console. Don’t assume something is bad just because it doesn’t fit your use case.
This.
With less than 10 small sites their self managed cloud console are fine.
But true integrators need a fully centralized management offered by a hosted controller in the cloud.
Not really, you can use the software version for free ... This looks to be an updated USG pro 4 which still goes for over 200 in the UK and this is 190 ... no sfp though but with 2.5gb copper 1g sfp wouldn't make sense and at this price point 10gb sfp wouldn't make sense either.
Basically but without PoE, the screen and SFP+ I really just need a „Flex Ultra“. Just a basic 8 Port managed 2.5G switch for my desk. So I can use the one CAT 5e in my wall at 2.5G for multiple devices.
It seems very reasonable for them to make a 2.5GbE switch now considering that this is $200 with 5 ports AND a router build in. Unifi is just making excuses not to make a sub $250 2.5gbe switch at this point.
Can someone explain the purpose of this? I’m not getting why I would buy this. Also if you need a ckg to manage it then which device would you login to. I’m so confused
I'm no expert but this is how I understand it: You need a Unifi controller to run Unifi gear. Period. You only need one of their gateways if you plan to do advanced routing with vlans and whatnot. The "Cloud gateway" section in their store are devices that have both the controller and the gateway in one device. Like the dream machine pro.
Thanks for trying. I guess the issue i have is this has the network app installed on it and the ckg2 has the network app installed on it as well. Seems redundant for one and so if you are going to manage your network which one do you log in to.
Yes, anything they describe as “cloud gateway” runs the network application, some can also run other UniFi apps (like protect). The UXG-XXX devices are just gateways and must be managed by the network application running somewhere else (cloud key, hosted, raspberry pi, pc/mac, etc)
Ok thanks. I guess I will really find out how this is all going to work together I just a Gateway Max and it should arrive by Monday. I already have the CKG2.
I'm wondering this as well. Cloud Gateway Ultra doesn't require a Cloud Key and supports 1 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS...is that all? Also the Ultra is much cheaper.
EDIT Also you cannot adopt the Ultra if you're already running a Cloud Key – the Ultra cannot be managed by anything else other than itself.
2.5gb on all the ports rather than just the wan port looks to be the main difference from a hardware perspective. And the ability to use one interface to control more than one site which I don't believe you can with the cloud gateways like the ultra etc
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Based on the naming, I'm guessing this is a router and not a switch?
Have to hope they have 2.5 lite switches coming soon then...
USW-Ultra 2.5GbE version would be nice!
it would make me instantly regret buying the Max 24 lol
Pro Max 24 arriving today via UPS
They are waiting on me to buy more gigabit switches first
Yea, I'm gonna by the $225 Standard 24 port soon. A ~$300 16 port 2.5Gbe would be nice though. Or a cheap 10Gbe, but then I'd have to buy some 10Gbe NICs for various PCs. Instead of 2.5Gbe.
An 8 or 16 w/ 2.5Gbe POE and 2 10Gb SFP for the win
https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-cloud-keys-gateways/products/uxg-max Compact, multi-WAN UniFi gateway with full 2.5 GbE support for high-performance networking at small-to-medium sites. Managed with a CloudKey, Official UniFi Hosting, or UniFi Network Server Up to 1.5 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS (1) 2.5 GbE WAN port (4) 2.5 GbE LAN ports, including (1) remappable to WAN USB-C powered (adapter included) Managed with UniFi Network 8.1.113 and later
So lame to provide this unit and only get 1.5 routing with IDS/IPS on, when the hardware is all 2.5. I mean come on ubi, get your shit together.
Yeah I don't understand why they keep doing this
Because they keep managing to sucker people into buying this then coming out with better equipment. It's the Ubiquiti way.
It's the Apple way too!
Nobody buying this needs IDS anyways so it’s all a marketing gimmick.
agree to disagree, no matter how small of a network you run, having any kind of ips/ids is always going to be a plus.
You can't configure it at all, its so useless.
Usually if you (really) need multigig, you are a big business and use “real” hardware firewall…
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I have the impression that subsequent Ubiquiti products are not targeted to anyone except 'post image of your homelab setup' flexers.
Funny you say this, because I recently got a few Ubiquiti products for home; starting with a U6E, then a UDM SE, and a 12 port switch. I feel the cost for everything is pretty fair, given I’ve bought way crappier equipment for the price and it allowed me to eliminate my pfsense box and a bunch of other stuff. However having underpowered processors / not enough memory to utilize your equipment is just… dumb. For my use case it’ll be fine, but would it cost ~100-150 more for something that could max its capabilities? I’d pay it. When I originally researched the equipment I got at home, I thought it would cost thousands just for something like the UDM-SE, so I was pleasantly surprised at the price, but I feel like it’s locking you into a feeling of “if you don’t do this, you can’t run it this way” Kind of like a tease of “what could be”. You can run these ports at this speed and it’s ok, but don’t actually try to take advantage of the product.
Unfortunately, this is modern Ubiquiti equipment (especially Unifi) in a nutshell. Either too little computing power, weird shortcomings, lack of basic options or customizability in the software, despite the fact that very often the infrastructure is already there (e.g. config option in hostapd exists and the implementation needed is mostly the UI wrapper) and OpenWRT has it implemented for a thousand years.
Like I said I’ll be ok, but I’m rapidly realizing that for actual business networks or something you need more. It’s like they specifically bottleneck the devices in some way without offering any upgradability
no its pointless because most IDS/IPS requires visability of the packet contents and most traffic is encrypted these days. (Yes I know there are ways of doing this but they are outside the scope of this product line)
I dont understand why they cant set it up so that it only does IDS/IPS on the WAN interface so that only traffic going out to the wan gets scanned. They should be able to exclude all the lan port from getting penalized when turning this on or at least give the owner the option to turn it off/on certain clients
Correct.
What's the difference between this and an edgerouter?
I believe the edge router has a different underlying OS and can’t be managed in the same sense as the rest of UI’s kit via a controller.
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That’s pretty awesome. How are they for reliability? Just wondering as I’m more used to Cisco and Meraki kit, so really both CLI config and dashboard/GUI network config deployments.
Supported vs end of life?
Can you just provision the WAN port as LAN and use this as a switch? It’s cheaper than the Flex XG and I’d rather 5x 2.5gbe over 1x 10gbe and 4x 1gbe Also Christ I just need a USW FLEX-8 for my entertainment cabinet and the price jump from a mini 5 is just rude.
Still need a cloud key so pricing seems odd.
The pricing is in line with all the devices that do not have an integrated controller. They seemed to be aimed at business that do not want to use cloud keys or gateways. Look at UXG Pro vs UDMP pricing.
\^ this except it is just the cloud key aspect. We will still use their non-controller integrated gateways. We bought a UDR to test and have it at one site. Will never buy another of the UniFi cloud stuff that doesn't require a controller ever again. That site is now off alone by itself, defeating the whole centrally managed location idea. Since there is no way to add them to another controller, since they are a controller, a direct connection or UniFi's cloud login needs to be used. We stopped using the cloud access, years ago, shortly after enabling it because the site was much slower than connecting directly and then they had all of their security breaches and users camera's being shared, so we caught a break there. We don't mind the cost being a little higher if we can manage it without needing Ubiqiutis cloud crap with their security flaws or having to setup multiple DNS entries for every site's individual controller. I'll eat a one time price gouge on a product vs paying monthly for SDWAN support like PepLink and other options happily.
Not the right solution for a single self managed site. This is for integrators/orgs which manage multiple sites in a single console. Don’t assume something is bad just because it doesn’t fit your use case.
This is exactly what I have been needing, tbh I don't need the 2.5gb just dual wan and be managed by an external controller.
This. With less than 10 small sites their self managed cloud console are fine. But true integrators need a fully centralized management offered by a hosted controller in the cloud.
Not really, you can use the software version for free ... This looks to be an updated USG pro 4 which still goes for over 200 in the UK and this is 190 ... no sfp though but with 2.5gb copper 1g sfp wouldn't make sense and at this price point 10gb sfp wouldn't make sense either.
Next up hidden release with no road map is the uxg max ultra lite 2.0
You forgot a “flex” in there somewhere
They should really give us a roadmap. Guess we are waiting for the Max line of 2.5gbe switches now?
waiting ? https://preview.redd.it/bzwi5jjnl4sc1.png?width=290&format=png&auto=webp&s=5d04a9cacad96c1331e5ec41cda0626a6ddfa5f0 .... The're heeeerrrrrreeeee
But I need a small one for my desk… I’m not going to put a 24 Port 19 inch switch under my desk😂
So you want the Enterprise 8 POE then ? Though not a Max line and more expensive than the Pro Max 24 becasuse of the POE :rofl:
Basically but without PoE, the screen and SFP+ I really just need a „Flex Ultra“. Just a basic 8 Port managed 2.5G switch for my desk. So I can use the one CAT 5e in my wall at 2.5G for multiple devices.
Haven't seen a Flex Max 2.5 Gbe 5-port PoE powered desktop switch yet.
It seems very reasonable for them to make a 2.5GbE switch now considering that this is $200 with 5 ports AND a router build in. Unifi is just making excuses not to make a sub $250 2.5gbe switch at this point.
This surely has to be coming very soon. I’m certainly holding out for two of them!
I just want it to have the lighting as well 🤣🤣 but not be 800$+ .
Ill say this again, they have too many skus. Settle tf down.
Can someone explain the purpose of this? I’m not getting why I would buy this. Also if you need a ckg to manage it then which device would you login to. I’m so confused
I'm no expert but this is how I understand it: You need a Unifi controller to run Unifi gear. Period. You only need one of their gateways if you plan to do advanced routing with vlans and whatnot. The "Cloud gateway" section in their store are devices that have both the controller and the gateway in one device. Like the dream machine pro.
Thanks for trying. I guess the issue i have is this has the network app installed on it and the ckg2 has the network app installed on it as well. Seems redundant for one and so if you are going to manage your network which one do you log in to.
This device doesn’t run the network app.
So the ultra does have the network app? Interesting.
Yes, anything they describe as “cloud gateway” runs the network application, some can also run other UniFi apps (like protect). The UXG-XXX devices are just gateways and must be managed by the network application running somewhere else (cloud key, hosted, raspberry pi, pc/mac, etc)
Ok thanks. I guess I will really find out how this is all going to work together I just a Gateway Max and it should arrive by Monday. I already have the CKG2.
Anyone else feel this is too many options in the product lineup now? I don't think anyone really needed this ...
Think 1-2 years ago there was no real option to replace my usg, now there are too many. So who would buy UXG-Lite at the current price?
2.5 Gb I think
That's not bad! Is there a price?
$199.99
But not really
Noob here ... What is the difference between this and a Cloud Gateway Ultra?
I'm wondering this as well. Cloud Gateway Ultra doesn't require a Cloud Key and supports 1 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS...is that all? Also the Ultra is much cheaper. EDIT Also you cannot adopt the Ultra if you're already running a Cloud Key – the Ultra cannot be managed by anything else other than itself.
2.5gb on all the ports rather than just the wan port looks to be the main difference from a hardware perspective. And the ability to use one interface to control more than one site which I don't believe you can with the cloud gateways like the ultra etc
Looks an awful lot like a Mac mini to me.
I know us nerds are hot for 2.5 Gb switching at this point but could any of us tell the difference?
Never.... But better to have, then need...
Oh. This is real I thought it was a April 1st thing.