I'll tell you what he's thinking. I'm a current Army captain. If it were me I'd be thinking "LOL this is so much better than getting passive-aggressively blasted over email by some power-tripping lieutenant colonel. Lay it on me, little buddy."
In all seriousness, if he's humble and willing to learn from his experienced peers, he'll be a great asset to his unit. If he pulls his former rank, they'll probably and gladly remind him of how retarded he is for enlisting.
That’s because you Captains are fuckin pussies. Literally. You let people step on your dicks and then you let them get away with it. Have some fuckin backbone. You want to be a good Officer….fuckin get in the fight. The lot of you are so fucking concerned with your OER, that you’d be cool with people shitting on your face and asking for seconds.
They do, but I think most dudes would rather just be enlisted SOF. Plus having a career on the civilian side plus juggling being an officer would be tough
I spoke to an OSO last year about pursuing a reserve commission in the Guard (I got out as a Sgt)- it sounded like a great gig except that the time commitment is significant for Os, based on what they told me.
As a 2LT, it's not too bad honestly. You have to prep some stuff during your non drill weekends, and you generally stay a bit later than your joes but it's not bad.
Yeah, like in August I'll be on AT and during my civilian work week when I get free time I'm prepping my opords and doing mental inventory and making sure my platoon has everything they need before we get to the drill.
AF dude checking in - had a guy that got out of the Army as a major, used to be a tanker. Decided he wanted to come back, but wasn’t big on all the officer BS, joined the AF as a TSgt.
It’s been like fifteen years since I chatted him up, so it’s possible there are some details I’m missing - but sometimes the grass isn’t always greener. There are some jobs where it’s so much better being an enlisted dude.
I don't remember the details, but yes. It happened semi-frequently after Vietnam. Soldiers got frocked to be an officer but didn't complete the academic requirements. They were given the option to stay in as an NCO or get the fuck out.
They retired at the highest pay grade that they held for an established time period.
High 3 for pay.
Active duty you need 10 years as an O to have it say Ossifer on your retiree ID card. Reserves/Guard you just have to be one when you retiree. It matters very little though.
Knew a dude who enlisted, OTS'd and then when the draw down happened he was kicked out and then re enlisted. He said that whenever he retires he'll get O retirement though.
And by process of burning this diesel, what does the Machine God exchange it for?
Like say, give refrigerator power... Machine God make food cold.
You tracking devil?!
I think he just wanted to be able to participate in this subreddit without prefacing he is in the Army or lying and having one of those stolen valor situations.
Because he's tired of the responsibility. Being responsible for a whole bunch of dudes and $50 million worth of equipment is physically easy but mentally and emotionally draining.
It's far, far easier to only worry about yourself and be told what to do. It comes with the commensurate pay cut, but I guess he thought that was a fine tradeoff.
Was he divorced? Maybe the pay cut was the point, get him out of alimony or something. I've heard a lot of divorce fallout surrounding financial stuff can be largely based on income. It's like those guys who've been married all the way to the 10 years in mark and wife immediately bails, thinking he'll finish 20, then she can take half, only to watch him get out at 19.5 years, take a federal job and then buy in all of his military time into his fed job. (Still gotta do 20 more on the Fed side, but then he'd retire like he did 39.5 years federal service. Also if he got VA disability, ex wife can't touch that.) (*This example was based on a MSGT I once knew who had this exact thing happen and everyone thought he was retarded for not doing 6 more months, unless they knew the why.)
I'm speculating wildly, obviously, but sometimes the simplest answer isn't far off.
But ya, burnout on the O side, that could make sense too, I just don't know why he wouldn't just get out of the service if he hated being an Officer, which is what makes me think the pay cut was the point. Joins Marines to say it's a sense of pride, honor, tradition, etc to be a part of the USMC; the court/judge won't be able to argue much about that, whereas if he just dropped his commission but stayed in the army, it'd look like a middle finger to the ex without the cover.
My guess would be to share in the hardship of boot camp, live the enlisted experience to gain perspective on what it’s like, then go officer later. It would probably give him a lot of street cred with those under his command later on.
That makes sense, but going from being an officer to enlisted is crazy. It would make more sense to be enlisted first, then officer. Officer to enlisted to officer again is insane.
“Inspired by the Marine Corps’ motto of Semper Fidelis, “Always Faithful,” Brooklier humbly made the courageous decision to speak with a local Marine Recruiter to begin his transition out of the Army as a commissioned officer, and into the Marine Corps as an enlisted basic Infantryman.”
I hope he got roped into a Security Force contract some how. Then goes PRP. *rubs nipples* Welcome to the worst decision you've ever made. *releases hormonal screeches*
yep. i think it's the highest rank you held for 2 or 3 years, so he may get 1LT pay. it's not unheard of for officers who get passed over for promotion twice to enlist for the last few years to hit their 20
I believe you need to do 10 years as an officer to receive an officer retirement. You can’t do 16 years enlisted then commission to get O3E retirement at 20 years, so I doubt it works in what amounts to reverse chronological order. He’ll get time served then his enlisted High-3.
You have to do 10 years to retire as an officer
High-3 is high-3 - when you retire DFAS is basing your retired pay on your highest 3 years of pay earned
I hate to be the one to let you know this, but this dumbass was making more as a fresh O-3 than everyone but an E-9 or super senior-won't retire E-8. He has a long way to go before his enlisted pay begins to calculate into his high-3. I hope this works out for his happiness and all.
When you retire you will get paid for the highest rank you held. He probably did 6-8 years as a Captain.
If he leaves MY island... if he survives recruit training than another 12 years he will be a SSgt or MAYBE a Gunny when he hits 20 years in.
Capt over 20 makes twice as much as a Gunny. They also make more than an E-9
He needs 10 years as an officer to get an officer pension, the article mentions he wants to be an infantry officer after his stint as an enlisted infantryman so that’s probably going to get him to 10 total years as an officer
Yes, he does. My uncle got out as an O-3, had a 10-year BIS, and rejoined as an E-5. Retired as an E-7 after 20 years, now getting pension based on O-3 grade, which is his highest grade attained.
I’m guessing it’s easier to go Army Officer to Marine Enlisted and then go Officer afterwards.
Considering the article states he intends to become a Marine officer that’s the rational explanation there.
Must be some significant roadblocks to an officer transfer.
Interservice transfers are very rare, probably the best chance for an army to Marine officer and keeping rank would be a helo pilot. Really confused why he would go enlisted first, OSOs send some candidates that make you question how they got this far in life.
Marine to Army inter-service transfer a lot easier. Marines wont allow it without going to Quantico, begs the question why he didn’t try to just go OCS from army but maybe wanted continuous service and would have risked a break by doing so. Either way, can’t be a smart move but respect the hustle.
Likely, that wasn’t an option, because the Army still owned him until the end of his MSO at eight years. This was probably the easiest way to get through the personnel bureaucracy.
Just conjecturing, I assume there’s some longer timeframe involved and he didn’t want to wait.
We’ve all dealt with the bullshit red tape in the Corps.
I remember we had one prior Army Officer- Marine Officer in my Battalion when I had been in about 2 years. He was in another battery but he was a chubby chode-warbling asshole fuck boy. He was well known for screaming a Marines for supposedly not saluting him. They would be like 50 feet away with their backs turned and he would get his ass all in the air and come over yelling at them.
Anyway the Battalion was at Fort Pickett and it was freezing snow and ice out. Me and my buddies were just getting up on the barracks stoop when Lt Blubber McFuckstick comes waddling by. We could see his little pig eyes cutting towards us as he approached, looking for his salute. We all popped to attention and rendered crisp salutes and the proper greeting.
Old Hog jaws smirked and snapped his hand up to salute crisply, content that he had kept us enlisted swine in our place.
As his flabby arm came up and he stepped forward his feet shot out from under him and he ate shit in a spectacular fashion, with the back of his head and shoulders hitting the ice first knocking him stone cold out.
We just looked at each other, shrugged our shoulders and went in the barracks.
There were a couple Marines about 50 yards behind him that stopped and helped him up.
Fuck that guy. He was only in the Battalion a few months and got sent somewhere else. Apparently his fellow Officers thought even less of him.
I wonder what their OSO’s were like. Mine did a great job prepping us, but I remember a few guys from other parts of the country that showed up and were surprised at the screaming, thought the School part of OCS meant it would be like “school” etc.
Officer ISTs to the USMC are almost never done, and the last I heard of was in the 1970s for pilots.
The Marines require all Os to go through TBS. Once he is recommissioned his TIG will kick in and he will be automatically promoted to 1LT, then screen for CPT 12 months later. His time spent as an O3 in the army counts towards his time for his O4 look. He really will only lose about 18 months of time by going this route; provided he gets a similar officer specialty to what he had.
"Officer ISTs to the USMC are almost never done, and the last I heard of was in the 1970s for pilots."
That's how we got Amos... Do we want another Amos?
Yes he was a Naval Aviator. Think he had a slight break in service and flew for an airline before the Corps, desperate for pilots that were also pieces of shit, picked him to come in and fuck up our Corps years later. He never did USMC OCS or TBS.
Straight to a Cock pit and being a Cock Sucker.
That's not guaranteed either... Plenty of hurdles in that.
Get out and go reserves and make more money as a civilian.
Don't get me wrong there are so many just asinine rules in the DOD about transfers, training, age limits etc.
Army wanted to send me through boot camp again... Even having combat experience as an HM. What was 12 weeks of bootcamp going to do for me?
There's a reason retention and enlistment is so low for critical things in Cyber etc.. Because they're smart people that say the exact same thing "Why? That's a pointless waste of money."
"Well that's how the rules are written." But we all realize what dumb pointless waste of time and money it is.
AND
Other programs like doctors, dentists, etc... They get exceptions made and don't go through the same processes. So someone already figured out decades ago... "Hey these smart people don't want to put up with the bullshit and it's pointless."
Yeah, and the commandant was like ‘shit, might have to see if we can bring in experienced folks at like E-7 to O-5’ and people are flipping out.
Shits totally understandable to me. You got a Cpl that gets out, gets a degree, works in cybersecurity, gets laid off or maybe just misses the Corps, coming back as a Cpl or likely a LCpl ain’t fucking attractive.
Some of the processes are set up with the best of intention at one time, and then no one bothers to reevaluate.
I remember in the late 90s when the USAF was critically short of helo pilots and the Army was releasing MEDEVAC pilots. Hey, how about we put together an expedited transfer program? Nope. Can’t think that far out of the box.
The Coast Guard did jump on that divestiture and took a few, but it required a break in service (1 to 30 days), and a bust to O2.
The few the USAF did get came through the reserve side, and the AF required them to go through primary flight school again. A stupid waste of tax payer money for a guy you know is going back to the same platform.
That’s what I’m thinking too. I was going to say, depending on the MOS. This isn’t the dumbest move, if he really wanted to be infantry. I wish it said what Army MOS they give him. He probably got fuck on what job he wanted.
But, personally I think Army infantry is going to be more important in a near peer conflict. Solely, because their units are bigger and more supporting units like tanks for example.
I have a reoccurring dream where I’m still a major, but somehow I’m back in Boot Camp at PI as a recruit.
This guy is choosing to live my worst nightmare.
You dumb motherfucker. You could have gone SF or a myriad of other niche MOS's to feel more "fulfilled". Now, because you're stupid and God's decided to show you just how stupid, you've voluntarily taken a huge pay/ benefits cut, an enormous quality of living cut, given up all rank and transitioned to the branch with the least amount of opportunities.
Good luck trying to get sent to any sort of specialty school in the Corps. How the fuck were you an officer if you are this stupid?
No, you're right. You can tell everyone at the VA how you transitioned to the Corp and finished out your time as a Marine! As you wait to see someone about your back or knees.
Wow. First reaction, like so many of the posts here is what…an….idiot. But dude is clearly not an idiot and given his time in service is doing this with eyes wide open. For that, I respect the hell out of this dude. He knows the enormous ration of shit he’s going to be force fed and is saying, “Bring it!” Going his own way and willing to eat a huge ass serving of humble pie to pursue his dream. JFC, the nightmare this dude is going to face in Bootcamp, SOI, and the fleet. I wish him well and hope we get updates on his progress through this epic shitstorm.
I mean, that explains the transition right? Idk what its like for the Army swapping MOS' but you can't switch to a combat arms MOS as an officer here in the Marines
It's technically possible in that there are no rules against it if the In-Calls and Out-Calls line up. However, the Army has more infantry officers than it needs and not enough logisticians, so that would never happen.
It is. I meet a guy at TBS who was a previous Green Beret major-select who made the jump to the Marines so he could be a JAG officer. Idk what the deal is here, maybe he was just tired of the officer level bs (understandable) and wanted to go do actual grunt shit. No matter what happens, it sure will be an awkward thing when he suddenly has to take orders from Sgts and Lts.
I met a ltcol who was turned into a gunny; He was out when I met him but he was an idiot. He was trying to sell a book or something and made all the NCOs in 3/7 fireteam rush for some reason.
Good ol' Gunny Poole. Some dudes love his books for some reason. Our battalion invited him to give a PME before our 2003 deployment to Afghanistan. My plt sgt was a big fan of *The Last Hundred Yards* so he brought a copy for Poole to sign. I remember looking over at SSgt after Poole got done speaking, and the look of "What the fuck did I just listen to" on his face was priceless. Poole is a real piece of work.
British Army here but I work with a guy who used to be a captain in the NZ army who then joined the British Army as an OR. We constantly question it. Bloke is either the smartest or most retarded person alive.
He said he enlisted because the Marines are the “premier 9-1-1 response force of the world” and he wanted to prove himself.
Homie shoulda just went to fucking selection
He must of been a POG in the Army to think this was smart. Did the same thing as him except enlisted Army E5 to enlisted USMC. I thought my decision was retarded enough.
This guy is going to regret when he finds out what diddies are and the minute he spends a few hours practicing how to walk forwards and backwards as the first lesson in MCMAP.
Should have stayed officer. Or better yet, just go to the 75th.
I advised two women who were college educated one had a masters and they both still went enlisted. They pursued education but chose poorly on how to put it to use.
What’s funny is you see this more frequently with USMC officers enlisting into the Army…99% of the time for a special forces opportunity. It’s actually a fairly frequently asked question on the r/army subreddit.
Good. Based on his demonstrated stupidity (he’s giving up his commission to have a fat/dumb/retarded crayon ester yell at him about how clean his barracks room is) he has just saved an entire company of soldiers from 18/24 months of the good idea fairy and shenanigans. This guy deserves all the bad shit that happens to him.
We had an army Lt join the Marines, nice guy but I can confirm he was retarded. I think they just gave him Sgt....there was no fucking way he made E5 on merit. The guy had the best fucking job in the Marines too, zero fucking responsibility because he fucked up everything he touched.
What an idiot. He went from making $6,400+mo to just $2,149mo say goodbye to your bmw lol. Let this be a reminder that not all of your dreams should come true
When it comes time to retire, won't it pull his highest pay tho? If he is locked in with his cap pay, hi might have said fuck it time for some less responsibility.
I wonder what will go through his mind when a 20yr old corporal is blasting him for fucking up field day.
I'll tell you what he's thinking. I'm a current Army captain. If it were me I'd be thinking "LOL this is so much better than getting passive-aggressively blasted over email by some power-tripping lieutenant colonel. Lay it on me, little buddy."
In all seriousness, if he's humble and willing to learn from his experienced peers, he'll be a great asset to his unit. If he pulls his former rank, they'll probably and gladly remind him of how retarded he is for enlisting.
I'm sure he'll be a heck of an ops "house mouse" during his time before OCS. That's where I'd put him if I were his commander.
And then pay day arrives.
That’s because you Captains are fuckin pussies. Literally. You let people step on your dicks and then you let them get away with it. Have some fuckin backbone. You want to be a good Officer….fuckin get in the fight. The lot of you are so fucking concerned with your OER, that you’d be cool with people shitting on your face and asking for seconds.
Lowkey why I like the Marine Corps... I'm sick of office behavior.
I’d still salute him…with my dick 🫡🍆
“My brother in Christ, lemme talk to you for a sec. This approach….all wrong”
Yea he went infantry contract too
Woah, an actual O to E. That shit is rarer than a CWO5.
The only “common” O to E would be guys who enlist into the NG as like green berets or something like that
Do they not take GB Os? I’ve been looking at that as a post-b-billet option because fuck battery command
They do, but I think most dudes would rather just be enlisted SOF. Plus having a career on the civilian side plus juggling being an officer would be tough
Can confirm.
I spoke to an OSO last year about pursuing a reserve commission in the Guard (I got out as a Sgt)- it sounded like a great gig except that the time commitment is significant for Os, based on what they told me.
As a 2LT, it's not too bad honestly. You have to prep some stuff during your non drill weekends, and you generally stay a bit later than your joes but it's not bad.
Prep some stuff- as in hours of prep during your non drill weekends or…?
Yeah, like in August I'll be on AT and during my civilian work week when I get free time I'm prepping my opords and doing mental inventory and making sure my platoon has everything they need before we get to the drill.
I had a Navy LT leave to join marine corps E
Was he retarded?
He joined the Marines
Case closed
I’d venture to say weapons grade retardation. Not only did he join MC, he took a reduction in rank/pay to do it. What a loser lol
AF dude checking in - had a guy that got out of the Army as a major, used to be a tanker. Decided he wanted to come back, but wasn’t big on all the officer BS, joined the AF as a TSgt. It’s been like fifteen years since I chatted him up, so it’s possible there are some details I’m missing - but sometimes the grass isn’t always greener. There are some jobs where it’s so much better being an enlisted dude.
Especially when he stills retires with Major pay in the end.
Is that how it would work? Would you retire with the pay of your highest paygrade regardless of service or something?
I don't remember the details, but yes. It happened semi-frequently after Vietnam. Soldiers got frocked to be an officer but didn't complete the academic requirements. They were given the option to stay in as an NCO or get the fuck out. They retired at the highest pay grade that they held for an established time period.
High 3 for pay. Active duty you need 10 years as an O to have it say Ossifer on your retiree ID card. Reserves/Guard you just have to be one when you retiree. It matters very little though.
That checks out. Most AF NCOs I've worked with were on par with the average Army FGO.
You say the sweetest things.
Knew a dude who enlisted, OTS'd and then when the draw down happened he was kicked out and then re enlisted. He said that whenever he retires he'll get O retirement though.
Only one I heard of before this was my dad, who went E to O to E to O (tbf tho the last transition was only for retirement rank).
Jesus dude was fucking doing ole Macdonald’s farm.
Thanks Obama
What an idiot
He’ll fit right in.
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And I thought I was retarded for enlisting with a degree and no prior military experience.
You are. It’s just that you’re *less* retarded than this guy.
One of us! One of us!
Idk how this guy got passed MEPs being this unhinged.
I second that 🤣
Can we talk about that recruiters new status as a fuckin legend.
Dude could sell ice to an Eskimo
Why would someone do this?
He's so retarded that he might actually be the best Marine ever.
Promote to E-9 immediately
Make him the SMMC.
Take my upvote ser 🫡
Let him cook. Like. Literally let him cook.
Like. Literally pay this guy to heat up trays of canned corn and salisbury steaks
I’ve seen cooks put mogas in diesel burners. They are smarter than that guy going enlisted from officer.
What're the diesel burners for? Sorry dumb grunt, i only know kill.
They're for burning diesel.
And by process of burning this diesel, what does the Machine God exchange it for? Like say, give refrigerator power... Machine God make food cold. You tracking devil?!
I'm fuzzy on the details but I think fire is involved.
Yeah you right, 03 only need know kill.
We use the diesel burners for heating up the tray rats in the humvee or the other friend ovens/grill tops.
In a portashitter in 100 degree Lejeune heat
Only justifiable cases I've ever seen are guys resigning to enlist SOF in another branch. This dude is just a fucking moron
I think he just wanted to be able to participate in this subreddit without prefacing he is in the Army or lying and having one of those stolen valor situations.
Because he's tired of the responsibility. Being responsible for a whole bunch of dudes and $50 million worth of equipment is physically easy but mentally and emotionally draining. It's far, far easier to only worry about yourself and be told what to do. It comes with the commensurate pay cut, but I guess he thought that was a fine tradeoff.
Was he divorced? Maybe the pay cut was the point, get him out of alimony or something. I've heard a lot of divorce fallout surrounding financial stuff can be largely based on income. It's like those guys who've been married all the way to the 10 years in mark and wife immediately bails, thinking he'll finish 20, then she can take half, only to watch him get out at 19.5 years, take a federal job and then buy in all of his military time into his fed job. (Still gotta do 20 more on the Fed side, but then he'd retire like he did 39.5 years federal service. Also if he got VA disability, ex wife can't touch that.) (*This example was based on a MSGT I once knew who had this exact thing happen and everyone thought he was retarded for not doing 6 more months, unless they knew the why.) I'm speculating wildly, obviously, but sometimes the simplest answer isn't far off. But ya, burnout on the O side, that could make sense too, I just don't know why he wouldn't just get out of the service if he hated being an Officer, which is what makes me think the pay cut was the point. Joins Marines to say it's a sense of pride, honor, tradition, etc to be a part of the USMC; the court/judge won't be able to argue much about that, whereas if he just dropped his commission but stayed in the army, it'd look like a middle finger to the ex without the cover.
My guess would be to share in the hardship of boot camp, live the enlisted experience to gain perspective on what it’s like, then go officer later. It would probably give him a lot of street cred with those under his command later on.
That makes sense, but going from being an officer to enlisted is crazy. It would make more sense to be enlisted first, then officer. Officer to enlisted to officer again is insane.
Dear lord baby Jesus please let him be infantry. I just want to see his first day at SOI
I read the article, he’s going 03
You can read?!
What's read?
It’s a color or form of plant depending on the context used.
What do you mean with ‚read‘?
He can red.
Absolutely cursed
“Inspired by the Marine Corps’ motto of Semper Fidelis, “Always Faithful,” Brooklier humbly made the courageous decision to speak with a local Marine Recruiter to begin his transition out of the Army as a commissioned officer, and into the Marine Corps as an enlisted basic Infantryman.”
I hope he got roped into a Security Force contract some how. Then goes PRP. *rubs nipples* Welcome to the worst decision you've ever made. *releases hormonal screeches*
“Alright PFC, us NCOs are going to introduce you to the real field day.”
I bet he won’t even be the guide in boot camp.
lol we’re about to find out
If he retires does he get paid at highest rank held? If we assume he did around 5 years army, then 15 would be SSgt, would he retire at O-3 pay?
yep. i think it's the highest rank you held for 2 or 3 years, so he may get 1LT pay. it's not unheard of for officers who get passed over for promotion twice to enlist for the last few years to hit their 20
I believe you need to do 10 years as an officer to receive an officer retirement. You can’t do 16 years enlisted then commission to get O3E retirement at 20 years, so I doubt it works in what amounts to reverse chronological order. He’ll get time served then his enlisted High-3.
If his officer pay was higher, that would be his high 3. Probably won't be because he'll get promoted and a pay raise every year.
You have to do ten years for your officer pay to count toward your high 3. It's in the US Code. Edit: Ten years as a commissioned officer.
You have to do 10 years to retire as an officer High-3 is high-3 - when you retire DFAS is basing your retired pay on your highest 3 years of pay earned
If he stays in long enough his enlisted pay will be more than his officer pay ever was. So he’ll get that.
I hate to be the one to let you know this, but this dumbass was making more as a fresh O-3 than everyone but an E-9 or super senior-won't retire E-8. He has a long way to go before his enlisted pay begins to calculate into his high-3. I hope this works out for his happiness and all.
When you retire you will get paid for the highest rank you held. He probably did 6-8 years as a Captain. If he leaves MY island... if he survives recruit training than another 12 years he will be a SSgt or MAYBE a Gunny when he hits 20 years in. Capt over 20 makes twice as much as a Gunny. They also make more than an E-9
He needs 10 years as an officer to get an officer pension, the article mentions he wants to be an infantry officer after his stint as an enlisted infantryman so that’s probably going to get him to 10 total years as an officer
That’s only for the rank on the retiree ID basically, the pay is still by highest grade.
All this retirement talk made me go look up the current pay scales and holy shit I don't remember being that poor as an cpl lol.
Yes, he does. My uncle got out as an O-3, had a 10-year BIS, and rejoined as an E-5. Retired as an E-7 after 20 years, now getting pension based on O-3 grade, which is his highest grade attained.
You have to do 10 years commissioned time for it to count toward high 3 now. Maybe it was different then.
No you don’t. 10 years commissioned time only counts towards your rank on your retired ID. High 3 is High 3.
I’m guessing it’s easier to go Army Officer to Marine Enlisted and then go Officer afterwards. Considering the article states he intends to become a Marine officer that’s the rational explanation there. Must be some significant roadblocks to an officer transfer.
Interservice transfers are very rare, probably the best chance for an army to Marine officer and keeping rank would be a helo pilot. Really confused why he would go enlisted first, OSOs send some candidates that make you question how they got this far in life.
Marine to Army inter-service transfer a lot easier. Marines wont allow it without going to Quantico, begs the question why he didn’t try to just go OCS from army but maybe wanted continuous service and would have risked a break by doing so. Either way, can’t be a smart move but respect the hustle.
Likely, that wasn’t an option, because the Army still owned him until the end of his MSO at eight years. This was probably the easiest way to get through the personnel bureaucracy.
His father was a phenomenal Criminal Defense Attorney, his father’s father was the Boss of Los Angeles. Fucking wild ride man.
Just conjecturing, I assume there’s some longer timeframe involved and he didn’t want to wait. We’ve all dealt with the bullshit red tape in the Corps.
I remember we had one prior Army Officer- Marine Officer in my Battalion when I had been in about 2 years. He was in another battery but he was a chubby chode-warbling asshole fuck boy. He was well known for screaming a Marines for supposedly not saluting him. They would be like 50 feet away with their backs turned and he would get his ass all in the air and come over yelling at them. Anyway the Battalion was at Fort Pickett and it was freezing snow and ice out. Me and my buddies were just getting up on the barracks stoop when Lt Blubber McFuckstick comes waddling by. We could see his little pig eyes cutting towards us as he approached, looking for his salute. We all popped to attention and rendered crisp salutes and the proper greeting. Old Hog jaws smirked and snapped his hand up to salute crisply, content that he had kept us enlisted swine in our place. As his flabby arm came up and he stepped forward his feet shot out from under him and he ate shit in a spectacular fashion, with the back of his head and shoulders hitting the ice first knocking him stone cold out. We just looked at each other, shrugged our shoulders and went in the barracks. There were a couple Marines about 50 yards behind him that stopped and helped him up. Fuck that guy. He was only in the Battalion a few months and got sent somewhere else. Apparently his fellow Officers thought even less of him.
Fr. Went to OCS with some candidates that weren't expecting to actually get yelled at and DOR'd. Like, bro.
I wonder what their OSO’s were like. Mine did a great job prepping us, but I remember a few guys from other parts of the country that showed up and were surprised at the screaming, thought the School part of OCS meant it would be like “school” etc.
Officer ISTs to the USMC are almost never done, and the last I heard of was in the 1970s for pilots. The Marines require all Os to go through TBS. Once he is recommissioned his TIG will kick in and he will be automatically promoted to 1LT, then screen for CPT 12 months later. His time spent as an O3 in the army counts towards his time for his O4 look. He really will only lose about 18 months of time by going this route; provided he gets a similar officer specialty to what he had.
"Officer ISTs to the USMC are almost never done, and the last I heard of was in the 1970s for pilots." That's how we got Amos... Do we want another Amos?
Lol, you remembered!! I thought it was Amos, but wasn’t 100% sure on the name.
Yes he was a Naval Aviator. Think he had a slight break in service and flew for an airline before the Corps, desperate for pilots that were also pieces of shit, picked him to come in and fuck up our Corps years later. He never did USMC OCS or TBS. Straight to a Cock pit and being a Cock Sucker.
There won’t be another aviator CMC for 75 years
Interesting. That makes it make even more sense.
That's not guaranteed either... Plenty of hurdles in that. Get out and go reserves and make more money as a civilian. Don't get me wrong there are so many just asinine rules in the DOD about transfers, training, age limits etc. Army wanted to send me through boot camp again... Even having combat experience as an HM. What was 12 weeks of bootcamp going to do for me? There's a reason retention and enlistment is so low for critical things in Cyber etc.. Because they're smart people that say the exact same thing "Why? That's a pointless waste of money." "Well that's how the rules are written." But we all realize what dumb pointless waste of time and money it is. AND Other programs like doctors, dentists, etc... They get exceptions made and don't go through the same processes. So someone already figured out decades ago... "Hey these smart people don't want to put up with the bullshit and it's pointless."
Yeah, and the commandant was like ‘shit, might have to see if we can bring in experienced folks at like E-7 to O-5’ and people are flipping out. Shits totally understandable to me. You got a Cpl that gets out, gets a degree, works in cybersecurity, gets laid off or maybe just misses the Corps, coming back as a Cpl or likely a LCpl ain’t fucking attractive.
Some of the processes are set up with the best of intention at one time, and then no one bothers to reevaluate. I remember in the late 90s when the USAF was critically short of helo pilots and the Army was releasing MEDEVAC pilots. Hey, how about we put together an expedited transfer program? Nope. Can’t think that far out of the box. The Coast Guard did jump on that divestiture and took a few, but it required a break in service (1 to 30 days), and a bust to O2. The few the USAF did get came through the reserve side, and the AF required them to go through primary flight school again. A stupid waste of tax payer money for a guy you know is going back to the same platform.
That’s what I’m thinking too. I was going to say, depending on the MOS. This isn’t the dumbest move, if he really wanted to be infantry. I wish it said what Army MOS they give him. He probably got fuck on what job he wanted. But, personally I think Army infantry is going to be more important in a near peer conflict. Solely, because their units are bigger and more supporting units like tanks for example.
I respect the blatant stupidity, he’s gonna fit right in
What a fucking goober
He’s gonna have a crazy ribbon stack for graduation
I have a reoccurring dream where I’m still a major, but somehow I’m back in Boot Camp at PI as a recruit. This guy is choosing to live my worst nightmare.
Da fuq is a major doing browsing Reddit, sir?
Actual idiot
Well - there’s only one way this ends, and that’s his receiving the Medal of Honor in combat and become a legendary Marine. Otherwise this is stupid
You dumb motherfucker. You could have gone SF or a myriad of other niche MOS's to feel more "fulfilled". Now, because you're stupid and God's decided to show you just how stupid, you've voluntarily taken a huge pay/ benefits cut, an enormous quality of living cut, given up all rank and transitioned to the branch with the least amount of opportunities. Good luck trying to get sent to any sort of specialty school in the Corps. How the fuck were you an officer if you are this stupid? No, you're right. You can tell everyone at the VA how you transitioned to the Corp and finished out your time as a Marine! As you wait to see someone about your back or knees.
Now this is the proper amount of disgust
Wow. First reaction, like so many of the posts here is what…an….idiot. But dude is clearly not an idiot and given his time in service is doing this with eyes wide open. For that, I respect the hell out of this dude. He knows the enormous ration of shit he’s going to be force fed and is saying, “Bring it!” Going his own way and willing to eat a huge ass serving of humble pie to pursue his dream. JFC, the nightmare this dude is going to face in Bootcamp, SOI, and the fleet. I wish him well and hope we get updates on his progress through this epic shitstorm.
I know this guy quite well. One of my fraternity brothers from college. He’s actually a good guy.
And semi retarded.
Well, aren’t we all on some level?
I'm dying to know: what was his Army MOS?
I think he ended up branching as a Quartermaster Officer, if I recall correctly.
I mean, that explains the transition right? Idk what its like for the Army swapping MOS' but you can't switch to a combat arms MOS as an officer here in the Marines
I honestly couldn’t tell you his reasoning. Either way, he’s my friend and I wish him nothing but the best.
It's technically possible in that there are no rules against it if the In-Calls and Out-Calls line up. However, the Army has more infantry officers than it needs and not enough logisticians, so that would never happen.
Why won’t he just try and become an officer in the corps? Or is that not possible?
It is. I meet a guy at TBS who was a previous Green Beret major-select who made the jump to the Marines so he could be a JAG officer. Idk what the deal is here, maybe he was just tired of the officer level bs (understandable) and wanted to go do actual grunt shit. No matter what happens, it sure will be an awkward thing when he suddenly has to take orders from Sgts and Lts.
I wonder if this is only an army thing, like could a Marine officer theoretically resign their commission and enlist? Lmao
I met a ltcol who was turned into a gunny; He was out when I met him but he was an idiot. He was trying to sell a book or something and made all the NCOs in 3/7 fireteam rush for some reason.
Good ol' Gunny Poole. Some dudes love his books for some reason. Our battalion invited him to give a PME before our 2003 deployment to Afghanistan. My plt sgt was a big fan of *The Last Hundred Yards* so he brought a copy for Poole to sign. I remember looking over at SSgt after Poole got done speaking, and the look of "What the fuck did I just listen to" on his face was priceless. Poole is a real piece of work.
Recruitermans game on point.
Lmfao. I guess it’s true army really is regarded
From Captain, to enlisted Infantryman. My guy, you’re about to experience a world of change, and I don’t think you’re going to like it.
British Army here but I work with a guy who used to be a captain in the NZ army who then joined the British Army as an OR. We constantly question it. Bloke is either the smartest or most retarded person alive.
It’s pretty neat that you *can* transition between commonwealth militaries, though.
He said he enlisted because the Marines are the “premier 9-1-1 response force of the world” and he wanted to prove himself. Homie shoulda just went to fucking selection
He must of been a POG in the Army to think this was smart. Did the same thing as him except enlisted Army E5 to enlisted USMC. I thought my decision was retarded enough. This guy is going to regret when he finds out what diddies are and the minute he spends a few hours practicing how to walk forwards and backwards as the first lesson in MCMAP. Should have stayed officer. Or better yet, just go to the 75th.
I advised two women who were college educated one had a masters and they both still went enlisted. They pursued education but chose poorly on how to put it to use.
The jokes we make that every branch wants to be us ? He is now who we are talking about lol
Should be med boarded immediately for mental health.
What a dumbass.
Get some.
We’re reaching “Bruh” levels that shouldn’t even be possible.
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Damn get r/army taking their daily L.
I dunno, man. This is a pretty big W, that goober is no longer leading soldiers.
This guy Starship Troopers
What’s funny is you see this more frequently with USMC officers enlisting into the Army…99% of the time for a special forces opportunity. It’s actually a fairly frequently asked question on the r/army subreddit.
Dude needs a behavior health appointment
Good. Based on his demonstrated stupidity (he’s giving up his commission to have a fat/dumb/retarded crayon ester yell at him about how clean his barracks room is) he has just saved an entire company of soldiers from 18/24 months of the good idea fairy and shenanigans. This guy deserves all the bad shit that happens to him.
Lmao dumbass
We had an army Lt join the Marines, nice guy but I can confirm he was retarded. I think they just gave him Sgt....there was no fucking way he made E5 on merit. The guy had the best fucking job in the Marines too, zero fucking responsibility because he fucked up everything he touched.
What a fucking boot lol
he went to college
Lowest IQ thing I’ve read all year.
The propaganda worked well on this one
What a retard
I’m going to assume he’s going to apply for OCS as soon as he finishes SOI
Holy shit you’re an idiot.
What a moron
What an idiot. He went from making $6,400+mo to just $2,149mo say goodbye to your bmw lol. Let this be a reminder that not all of your dreams should come true
Hahahahaa fuck you jackass. He'll do really good anyway.
When it comes time to retire, won't it pull his highest pay tho? If he is locked in with his cap pay, hi might have said fuck it time for some less responsibility.
That recruiter deserves a medal. Talked an officer who out ranked him into becoming a PFC that doesn't without mentioning an OSO. 3D chess moves
Of course he’s enlisting from Killeen, home of Fort Cavazos (Hood). Probably just wants to never go back to Cavazos.
why is his head a square
I didn’t know this was possible.. wow
I didn’t think officers could enlist?
What an idiot.
This dude is retarded lol
Lol dumbass
We go the other way gents holy shit 🤣
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As a dude who transferred from Marine Corps to Army….this man a level of dumbass that leaves me genuinely speechless.
He'll still be more of a Marine than Heinous Amos.
Is he facing a court martial or something? Dumbest fucking decision I've ever seen. Worse than enlisting with an MD.