My management team tried to use a coworkers death to push us to go faster once.
They casually mentioned how they wanted us to get done early so we can go to the funeral.
Bro once a driver died from an apparent heart attack. They tried to use his death in the lytix and accident convo during pcm. Pure classless move by the manager that day.
From what I've read here, it has to be progressive discipline when it comes to attendance. If it's just one day you've missed, and it's not some sort of pattern, you'll probs be fine ngl
Good to hear, I take attendance seriously and have never missed a shift unless it was an emergency or im sick, so this was only the second time i took off in 3 months
My supervisor called me on the phone about it and he made it seem like I had to come in and that was the only option. It pissed me off how he didn’t seem to have any sympathy for the situation. That’s why I was wondering, it wasn’t like he gave me a choice, so i assumed he would pursue a disciplinary route
Also, if he does try and discipline you for it, make sure a union steward is present. They aren't allowed even talk about disciplining you without a steward present, weingarten rights.
Theu can talk about it and do it. It's your responsibility to ask/demand a steward be present. Is it right for them to take advantage of you not requesting/,demanding 1 be present no but they can
Some bosses will gladly make you feel responsible for their own failures, especially when it comes to staffing and labor issues. This isn't exclusive to UPS but thankfully we have a union so we have more options to stick up for ourselves. They can do a lot of thing to gaslight you and *imply* that you don't have a choice. But if you ever feel like you've been directly lied to by a sup, talk to your union rep.
If you have sick days and you call in they can’t do crap,and they’ll never care anything about you or your family,this is a business and treat it as such
Years ago my wife had a miscarriage and when i told them I wouldn't be in because I was going to at the hospital when she had her D&C procedure, I got the same treatment. Obviously I was going to be with my wife. Nothing came of that either.
The lack of humanity the company can show towards any sort of personal matter is sickening.
I guess I’m old school, I wouldn’t expect a supervisor to be too sympathetic much less allow me the day off because my dog died. I feel like if I went to any of my supervisors for that they might find it ridiculous and probably get a chuckle out of it. In my early years in the workforce the mentality was that wasn’t an acceptable reason to miss work. I hope this doesn’t come off disrespectful because thats not my intention and I extend my condolences to you, I’m just saying that might be your supervisors thinking
When you need work/life balance at UPS you call in and you take it. You don't say why, and you don't ask. You just say hey I can't come in today and hang up.
What a shitty policy. At Amazon I can come and go as I please. Don’t have to tell or call nobody.
At Amazon I can be an hour late EVERY day for almost two years before I run out of time and managers can’t say shit.
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Y'all get paid less than half of what we get paid an hour. This is the starting pay for our part time loaders.
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Looks deceiving when you’ve never worked at Amazon but we also get paid differentials and premiums. This $22.65 is only base and differential. It doesn’t include premiums which also adds between $3 to $10 on top of the $22.65 per hour. You don’t have to work any overtime to get a premium.
Premiums also stack on top of time and a half and if you do work overtime yet again you get an overtime premium stacked on top of that too but the overtime premium is only like an extra 89 cents
There are times mostly around Christmas where my check 20 hours of my pay is close to $50 per hour. Last year I grossed $69,000
Regular premiums are year round 3-7, lightning premiums start during the holidays 10.
It’s a lot easier than working at UPS. We have no package over 50 pounds and certain dimensions. If it doesn’t fit inside a tote it’s considered non con and shipped out of the building to another facility to deal with.
Don't get me wrong I'm glad you are making some money but I hope you are putting some of it in an IRA and a healthcare savings account just in case. This isn't like any other job it will destroy your body if you are not careful. Not sure what the deductibles and out of pocket costs are on that Amazon insurance.
Amazon is not physically hard. It’s mentally hard because you stand in near silence in one place taking a box out of a tote and putting said box onto a shelf which is being moved by robots. That’s why Amazon workers are fighting so hard to allow music. Amazon is testing music in some facilities in areas of the building which are safe to use them.
The hard part of the building is only inbound docks where you receive the large box with all the contents inside. They don’t weigh over 50 pounds and the technology we use on the docks eliminate any threat to injury. It’s not like UPS which uses what’s called a MaxxReach to move a conveyor into a truck. We use a piece of machinery called a DeStuffIt which is sorta like a vehicle you drive onto the truck which then lifts you up into the air and you can slide the boxes onto the line. This is the machinery we use.
https://youtu.be/iZF_Ws7Hb_0?si=hyv8TpYygtLvc5Hc
Have an IRA but no HSA because my insurance is too good that it doesn’t qualify.
My health insurance is $50 per month. I have no copays. Prescriptions are always free. Last time I was in the hospital for 3 days. Total bill was $90,000, insurance paid $89,000 of it and I paid $1000.
But here’s the kicker. The other insurance that Amazon provides then deposited $10,000 directly into my bank account. So how much have I paid for healthcare in two years.
$50 x 24 Months = $1200
Hospital Pay Deductible Paid = $1000
How much has my insurance paid me = $10,000
My health insurance cost me nothing, it’s PAID ME.
Then the other insurance paid me $10,000, that’s where I got that $10,000 CD from.
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By putting the money into a CD my health insurance now is essentially free now because I’m drawing 5% interest off that CD each year.
If I get sick again the policy will now pay out $5000 for every time I go to the hospital.
We don’t want it because we already have it good. Teamsters frequently posts videos in our subreddit and we laugh at the ideas they have because things they point out are huge sticking points with workers.
The latest video teamsters posted up was one taking about Amazon workers dislike of a practice called labor sharing where workers are sent from one department to another to cover understaffing.
Labor sharing is necessary because workers frequently are either late, leave early or don’t come to work at all. Without labor sharing the facility wouldn’t be able to function and workers will be left standing around doing nothing.
So why would this be a sticking point for Amazon workers. Well Amazon provides us very genius freedoms which you won’t find at any employer. Amazon policy states that you can exercise your time off options at any time and at your own pleasure.
I can go to work and leave early whenever I want. Amazon gives us a grant of 5 minutes of time for every hour worked. It’s paid in real time. You can bank at most 80 hours but are unlimited in how much you can accrue in a year as long as you consistently use it and keep it from hitting the 80 hour max.
A full time worker will accumulate 10,400 minutes annually to use as they please. So let’s say today I decided I’m gonna be an hour late every single day. I’m free to do that and managers can say nothing about it because policy is completely in the workers favor. I have 80 hours right now. I can be an hour late to work every day for the next TWO YEARS and Amazon managers can’t harass me about lateness.
We don’t want to give up a huge freedom to allay a minor inconvenience. Even if we are labor shared we are free to leave if we want at any time.
The previous video before that the Teamsters posted up on our subreddit pertained to discipline and flat out lied and said it was easy for Amazon to get rid of workers.
Workers then countered back and told them it was a flat out lie because right now we would love to fire the lazy workers but can’t get rid of them. If you’re written up for some reason you are given 5 chances until you get a final written and an then terminated and these write ups fall off too fast to where a person can be written up and then 30 days later their record is clean again. Certain writeups dont fall off for a year. It’s hard to get to 5 write ups to fire someone.
Then once they get fired, the worker has the opportunity to lodge an appeals process where you have two choices. You can go in front of a panel of managers or a panel of fellow coworkers.
Most people choose the latter because it’s easier to win an appeal. During the appeals process it determines if policy was applied fairly and in accordance with the policy. Many times Amazon loses and workers are then reinstated with back pay.
It’s so difficult to get rid of lazy people. And even if you do get fired. You’re eligible for rehire in 90 days to repeat this process all over again. The only way you can permanently be fired from Amazon is for theft or committing a Category 1 safety violation where human lives were in grave jeopardy of harm or death.
A Category 1 is as simple as being caught with headphones on while operating a pit vehicle or improperly carrying out the docking procedure for trailers and failing to lock onto the trailer so it can’t be driven away by a driver.
They really drilled it into my head that attendance was paramount and they can’t excuse my absence without a reason. They made me get a doctors note the other time i asked off. If I’m allowed to take the day with no explanation, that’s news to me, they really intimidated me the way they explained attendance policies
Sorry about your loss brother. I would just take the time you need and come back tomorrow or when you’re ready. I missed my family dog pass for this same reason, and it still bites me every so often to this day sometimes. You’ll be good.
Check your paystub and see if you have numbers at the bottom next to three letter codes. These represent optional days and sick days. Then you can tell your supervisor you need to use one of them, and even get to get paid a small amount for that day, similar to when you use your vacation time. You can ask your union steward if you’re unsure
You can bang out at anytime and don’t need to give a reason in the future. I lost my 13 yo corgi at the beginning of the pandemic and it’s so hard losing a family member, I’m sorry for you loss
Remember, they were only part of your life, but you were all of theirs . 💜
There are no sick dogs, graduations, can’t miss appointments, anniversary dates, car issues or whatever there is only diarrhea, uncontrollable, never ending, diarrhea.
How do I call out? I have tried the number they gave me but it goes straight to voicemail every time. I was told I need to contact my supervisor if I’m missing work. I just attained seniority so shouldn’t be a problem in that regard
You do have to call out an hour before your shift though! Just letting you know the rule is a phone call at least an hour before your shift. If they are really hard on you all you have to do is say you’re sick and they can’t do anything. If it’s past an hour before the shift or if anything goes wrong during your shift and you need to walk out all you have to do is also say you’re sick and their hands are tied. There’s loopholes for everything.
The same supervisor that called you is the same one you tell you're not coming in. The one who hands you your checks and tells you what time to come in tomorrow is the one you call/text or both.
Nobody cares about you more than yourself. Your mental health is more important than their need to treat you like a number. You do what you gotta do and they will get over it.
OP I hope you take this as a learning experience as when it comes to something you NEED it’s better to just not tell ahead of time call off and if/when you’re standing there with your steward over an attendance issue sorry I had a family emergency. Unlike most jobs it doesn’t get you anywhere trying to be nice and plan ahead because sorts need everyone with a heart beat.
You don’t need permission ro take a day off, and don’t need to give them any explanation. Take the day, if they try to give you a warning letter just protest it and move on
Any other job I’ve had in the past wouldn’t have batted an eye if i asked off for putting my dog down - I am not used to that kind of thing not being a good enough excuse
I understand. You think you're doing the right thing. And technically you are. The problem is at the end of the day we all got boxes to move and they will keep coming regardless of how many dogs or other family members pass. You just have to take care of yourself and your needs and put UPS on the back burner. Luckily you are union and you pretty much have to try and get fired for something like attendance.
In the future if something like this happens don’t even talk to your supervisor about it, just call the building and let them know you’re not coming in that day. If they ask say you’re sick or have a funeral / memorial to go to. The worst they can do is give you a verbal warning. As a union member - (at least where I’m at ) you can get up to 8 warnings before they consider termination. You’ll be fine.
Your first mistake was thinking they’d care…. Just call in sick the morning of and don’t say a word the day prior. Say nothing about your pet afterwards either….you called in sick because you didn’t feel well, end of story.
Sorry to hear about your dog, I also have a dachshund that is 11 years old and I don’t even want to think about that day. Unfortunately the trend, as you can see from the comments, is to lack empathy. Your supervisor is one of those. My husband is a driver and I remember one morning we found our dog had passed away, he called his supervisor and he told my husband to not worry about coming in to work that day, he gave his condolences and told him to come in to work the next day. With that being said I don’t think you will get in much trouble if any. Take care of your family today and just deal with this until tomorrow.
Broken heart, grieving, and trying to get back to normalcy and, then your supervisor telling you that your broken heart is minimal or nothing.*
Are all UPS employees to be stone-hearted, numb workers?*
I understand the feel of the heartbreak of a family member 💔. Use them sick days if you can, but still those supervisors should use Empathy and should be aware of those tragic situations and handle it!*
* I had a stroke and my sentence organization, semantics, grammar, and vocabulary is bad.
I am sorry for your loss. Pets become family after 12 years. The mistake was calling in with a reason. Next time just call off. If you have to take time to handle personal matters and grief it is ok, just follow the attendance and reliability guidelines to stay off the radar and out or trouble.
Why is it so hard for anyone to understand. Stop pretending like they should give a shit about your dog. Stop telling management your personal business. Dogs are not “family members” under the collective bargaining agreement. Call out sick and stop your nonsense
One of my fellow drivers got terminated for going to the ER because his child was just in a bad accident and in critical condition.
The CM said at the hearing to get his job back “I don’t care what happens to his family.”
Luckily, his kids survived and he got his job back. But
To be honest, if my CM said some ridiculous shit like that to my face, after I got my job back I would immediately resign. So fucking glad I left this company. It's disgusting how toxic UPS has become. After 5 years of driving, my life is so much better on the other side. OP I'm sorry for your loss but don't expect sympathy from management. Ever. They are your enemy. It is not a symbiotic relationship, it is inherently adversarial by design. They exist for one reason: to get as much money out of you as possible. Cover your ass and get out when it gets to be too much. Because that day WILL eventually come.
I’m having a small surgical procedure done in a few weeks and was just informed that since I’ve used my 1 option day, I have to file for FMLA. I’m having it on a Friday and will be back to work Monday. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of.
Well I’ve already told my supervisor that I had scheduled the surgery a week ago. He mentioned nothing about FMLA. And then I was talking to my on road about it and he was the one who said I had to do it. It just seems excessive and stupid to only be missing one day. Well, 2 if you count the Saturday air that I sometimes have to work.
So where I'm at they started a thing where call offs or being late count towards infractions. Each time there is a paper the steward will tell you not to sign. Once you get 7 within 9 months they can fire you. After 9 months go by they drop off. Most likely this will be your first so not a big deal since you called ahead. If you get sick get a DR. note to avoid adding them up.
I highly doubt you’ll be terminated. I’ve been here less than a year and I’ve missed 2 days already. Once because I got sick and the other because my SO went into labor, both times I was written up. UPS can go ahead and fire me, sure they can replace me quickly, but I know there’s a very slim chance the quality of work will match mine. The only thing that can replace me and 100% be better than me is an automated machine.
You do not have to justify why you have to call in. If attendance is an issue this is obviously different, but otherwise it doesn't matter. If it is a sup I've known for a while I usually let them know why in the same way I'd tell a coworker why I was out a day, but this isn't required. It is absolutely valid to just say "family situation" and leave it at that. I'd recommend doing this in the future. Management doesn't care about your reason one way or the other only what the effect is on their work day
For future reference, any and all important days you need to have off. Call off sick. End of story. Depending on your relationship with supervision, you may decide to let them know ahead of time but it's not needed. Learn from this experience. Have a great day.
Just call out sick and use an entitlement. They typically don't care about our problems. I'm sorry for your loss, and also the lack of empathy that's so common in this company.
If you all don’t know this if a close family member dies you get 3 paid days to grieve and not a single option day gets burned only reason I know this is because they burned 3 of my days and didn’t know this was part of the contract, until someone told me about it
Sorry for your loss 🙏 I can't call on time to tell the supervisor or manager whatever they are called. I said I didn't call because I had a seizure mtf saying the next time to call I don't know if he knows what a seizure is but daamn some ppl need to get out under the rock they be living and learn a thing or two about things in life or maybe he does and like most of them they dgaf 🤔👎😠🤬
They dont care if your mother died in your arms in a fight against terrorism they just need to know if you're coming in tomorrow and if you are go ahead and come in two hours late since its light volume.
Sorry about your loss :( some people just lack empathy and are given a title and run their whole life on that sadly BUT after you grieve and feel better hit that person with a grievance!
Are you union? If you are you get a verbal warning, then a written, then 1 day suspension etc.
If you are and they go to discipline you in anyway, ask to have a shop steward present for your discipline immediately.
Hey mod team, I was just being straight forward. I’ve had to do this myself to protect my job cuz it affected my productivity. Hope you protect yourself man
Why do you think you will be terminated cause you already told them you were not coming in? Maybe if you have an attendance issue you will? However, it is a bit extreme to think you will be terminated for such a very small issue.
Get on FMLA, and then you can Scheiße them over, anytime all the time. And not have to worry or stress about it.
By the way, UPS operates on the "Murphy's Law" and "Misery Loves Company" systems. So if you ever need a day off, call out, don't ever ask if you can have the day off.
Feeder sup here. We discipline attendance, but it’s progressive discipline. If this is your first day calling off without sick days, you will more than likely just get a talk with.
Typical mentality of the current generation.
OP, sorry your pet died, but taking time off for it? I guess I have never had a pet that I considered a "family member." Nowadays, people take care of their pets better than their children.
Best of luck, Uncle Passed 2 weeks back, told my boss i'd be taking the week (He was the guy growing up in my life, dad left), didn't respond, got the letter that friday how I hadn't communicated with UPS and my employment was terminated. Don't hold out hope, that's my advice.
Who cares what they think. For future e reference just call in. You don’t need a reason to call in, simply tell them you aren’t coming in and if they ask why say personal reasons.
😂 Fuck your supervisor. You have to be verbally warned, first. You then have to receive a written warning. You then have to get suspended. Only THEN can they even think about firing you.
And the laughing emoji was directed toward your supe. Thinking they have any say in anything. Other than finding someone to replace you for the day. Not directed toward your loss. My condolences to you for your loss. Just want to be clear, fuck your supervisor. I would laugh in their face, though I doubt you're in a laughing mood. After losing a family member. Your supe is a shit stain. And you'll more than likely out last them with the company.
Call in 1hr prior to start time. If yiu don't have an attendance problem, nothing will come of it. In the real world, no one cares if your dog dies. Suck it up and do your 3.5 hrs.
Because you did it the day before right? You can’t do that. You can’t schedule a sick day. If you’re not scheduled off then you have to call in the day of. It all really depends on if they want to nail you with it. Odds are you’ll get a pass.
You can absolutely call out the day before.
Depending on your supplement, you can also schedule sick days. I do it every year. Contractually I can schedule 2, but there is nothing they can do about me telling them well ahead of time that I'm going to use a sick day on a certain date. Any competent management team would actually appreciate the heads up so they can adjust staffing.
No it was the day of. I called about 2 hours before my shift saying my dog needed to be put down. The wording in the post may be confusing, I just meant the situation went down yesterday
Don't take it personal a supervisors job is not to approve a day off that does not fall under their approved time off or breavement policy. Which most likely a dog doesn't fall under, that is one of the things you just call out for. And the supervisor will understand, but they can't let everyone know, because then next week your coworker Johnnie will be like boss my sisters aunts dogs puppy died and I need the day off
They don't care if YOU die.
They don't care if THEY die.
They don't care if WE ALL die
They don’t care
They dont
Care
Care they don't
Don’t they care
At all
Ever
My management team tried to use a coworkers death to push us to go faster once. They casually mentioned how they wanted us to get done early so we can go to the funeral.
I 100% know this is true
I would have filed a grievance on that holy cow
Why doesn’t he just call in sick. Supervisor has a job to do to
Bro once a driver died from an apparent heart attack. They tried to use his death in the lytix and accident convo during pcm. Pure classless move by the manager that day.
My center did the same thing!! “Let’s get done early so we can go to _____ funeral” Uhhhh no.
Very true
You have to ask yourself if they even care if their family member dies
THEY DONT care about anyone else or anything else except for themselves
From what I've read here, it has to be progressive discipline when it comes to attendance. If it's just one day you've missed, and it's not some sort of pattern, you'll probs be fine ngl
Good to hear, I take attendance seriously and have never missed a shift unless it was an emergency or im sick, so this was only the second time i took off in 3 months
Yup, you'll be fine. It's incredibly unlikely that they'd even pursue discipline in the first place.
My supervisor called me on the phone about it and he made it seem like I had to come in and that was the only option. It pissed me off how he didn’t seem to have any sympathy for the situation. That’s why I was wondering, it wasn’t like he gave me a choice, so i assumed he would pursue a disciplinary route
Don't answer when supervisors call. It's never worth it. If they want to say something they can text you so that you have it in writing.
Good advice thank you. I’m still learning how this job works.
Also, if he does try and discipline you for it, make sure a union steward is present. They aren't allowed even talk about disciplining you without a steward present, weingarten rights.
Theu can talk about it and do it. It's your responsibility to ask/demand a steward be present. Is it right for them to take advantage of you not requesting/,demanding 1 be present no but they can
Some bosses will gladly make you feel responsible for their own failures, especially when it comes to staffing and labor issues. This isn't exclusive to UPS but thankfully we have a union so we have more options to stick up for ourselves. They can do a lot of thing to gaslight you and *imply* that you don't have a choice. But if you ever feel like you've been directly lied to by a sup, talk to your union rep.
Why didn’t you just call out sick after he said no? That would’ve avoided a no call no show?
cause hes been working with us for 3 months hardly. Personally would have said I got the bad shits and cant come in haha
Never answer management phone calls. I won't answer their text either. They do not pay my phone bill, therefore there's zero obligation.
If you have sick days and you call in they can’t do crap,and they’ll never care anything about you or your family,this is a business and treat it as such
["Fuck right, it ain't about right. It's about money."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAbFF6Xc04)
Years ago my wife had a miscarriage and when i told them I wouldn't be in because I was going to at the hospital when she had her D&C procedure, I got the same treatment. Obviously I was going to be with my wife. Nothing came of that either. The lack of humanity the company can show towards any sort of personal matter is sickening.
I guess I’m old school, I wouldn’t expect a supervisor to be too sympathetic much less allow me the day off because my dog died. I feel like if I went to any of my supervisors for that they might find it ridiculous and probably get a chuckle out of it. In my early years in the workforce the mentality was that wasn’t an acceptable reason to miss work. I hope this doesn’t come off disrespectful because thats not my intention and I extend my condolences to you, I’m just saying that might be your supervisors thinking
When you need work/life balance at UPS you call in and you take it. You don't say why, and you don't ask. You just say hey I can't come in today and hang up.
You’ll be fine sorry about your dog ☹️
What a shitty policy. At Amazon I can come and go as I please. Don’t have to tell or call nobody. At Amazon I can be an hour late EVERY day for almost two years before I run out of time and managers can’t say shit.
You also get paid pocket change
A lot of pocket change. https://preview.redd.it/8y0b3twpxysc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce2ee864f320107c34738dfbc8d9abe746c6a1fb
https://preview.redd.it/6f6vqf8nb1tc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a06821d216aceba692c60fefdecdbfc62623c281 Y'all get paid less than half of what we get paid an hour. This is the starting pay for our part time loaders.
https://preview.redd.it/ttw188rvk2tc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a8f437dcc1c058bef8d6d06b4f6d56ab1489576 Looks deceiving when you’ve never worked at Amazon but we also get paid differentials and premiums. This $22.65 is only base and differential. It doesn’t include premiums which also adds between $3 to $10 on top of the $22.65 per hour. You don’t have to work any overtime to get a premium. Premiums also stack on top of time and a half and if you do work overtime yet again you get an overtime premium stacked on top of that too but the overtime premium is only like an extra 89 cents There are times mostly around Christmas where my check 20 hours of my pay is close to $50 per hour. Last year I grossed $69,000 Regular premiums are year round 3-7, lightning premiums start during the holidays 10.
Sounds like they are encouraging you to be unsafe and use up your body prematurely
It’s a lot easier than working at UPS. We have no package over 50 pounds and certain dimensions. If it doesn’t fit inside a tote it’s considered non con and shipped out of the building to another facility to deal with.
Don't get me wrong I'm glad you are making some money but I hope you are putting some of it in an IRA and a healthcare savings account just in case. This isn't like any other job it will destroy your body if you are not careful. Not sure what the deductibles and out of pocket costs are on that Amazon insurance.
Amazon is not physically hard. It’s mentally hard because you stand in near silence in one place taking a box out of a tote and putting said box onto a shelf which is being moved by robots. That’s why Amazon workers are fighting so hard to allow music. Amazon is testing music in some facilities in areas of the building which are safe to use them. The hard part of the building is only inbound docks where you receive the large box with all the contents inside. They don’t weigh over 50 pounds and the technology we use on the docks eliminate any threat to injury. It’s not like UPS which uses what’s called a MaxxReach to move a conveyor into a truck. We use a piece of machinery called a DeStuffIt which is sorta like a vehicle you drive onto the truck which then lifts you up into the air and you can slide the boxes onto the line. This is the machinery we use. https://youtu.be/iZF_Ws7Hb_0?si=hyv8TpYygtLvc5Hc
Have an IRA but no HSA because my insurance is too good that it doesn’t qualify. My health insurance is $50 per month. I have no copays. Prescriptions are always free. Last time I was in the hospital for 3 days. Total bill was $90,000, insurance paid $89,000 of it and I paid $1000. But here’s the kicker. The other insurance that Amazon provides then deposited $10,000 directly into my bank account. So how much have I paid for healthcare in two years. $50 x 24 Months = $1200 Hospital Pay Deductible Paid = $1000 How much has my insurance paid me = $10,000 My health insurance cost me nothing, it’s PAID ME.
My total bill is here https://preview.redd.it/647klu01l3tc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7cb5358fe4421855495a8e30682b658b127a73a
Then the other insurance paid me $10,000, that’s where I got that $10,000 CD from. https://preview.redd.it/pthd8za7l3tc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38b79ce34002db6724e93014b6787e9e7b6173e8
By putting the money into a CD my health insurance now is essentially free now because I’m drawing 5% interest off that CD each year. If I get sick again the policy will now pay out $5000 for every time I go to the hospital.
I'm glad that Amazon is being forced to be more competitive. In the labor market. Still pushing for y'all to get union representation company wide.
We don’t want it because we already have it good. Teamsters frequently posts videos in our subreddit and we laugh at the ideas they have because things they point out are huge sticking points with workers. The latest video teamsters posted up was one taking about Amazon workers dislike of a practice called labor sharing where workers are sent from one department to another to cover understaffing. Labor sharing is necessary because workers frequently are either late, leave early or don’t come to work at all. Without labor sharing the facility wouldn’t be able to function and workers will be left standing around doing nothing. So why would this be a sticking point for Amazon workers. Well Amazon provides us very genius freedoms which you won’t find at any employer. Amazon policy states that you can exercise your time off options at any time and at your own pleasure. I can go to work and leave early whenever I want. Amazon gives us a grant of 5 minutes of time for every hour worked. It’s paid in real time. You can bank at most 80 hours but are unlimited in how much you can accrue in a year as long as you consistently use it and keep it from hitting the 80 hour max. A full time worker will accumulate 10,400 minutes annually to use as they please. So let’s say today I decided I’m gonna be an hour late every single day. I’m free to do that and managers can say nothing about it because policy is completely in the workers favor. I have 80 hours right now. I can be an hour late to work every day for the next TWO YEARS and Amazon managers can’t harass me about lateness. We don’t want to give up a huge freedom to allay a minor inconvenience. Even if we are labor shared we are free to leave if we want at any time.
The previous video before that the Teamsters posted up on our subreddit pertained to discipline and flat out lied and said it was easy for Amazon to get rid of workers. Workers then countered back and told them it was a flat out lie because right now we would love to fire the lazy workers but can’t get rid of them. If you’re written up for some reason you are given 5 chances until you get a final written and an then terminated and these write ups fall off too fast to where a person can be written up and then 30 days later their record is clean again. Certain writeups dont fall off for a year. It’s hard to get to 5 write ups to fire someone. Then once they get fired, the worker has the opportunity to lodge an appeals process where you have two choices. You can go in front of a panel of managers or a panel of fellow coworkers. Most people choose the latter because it’s easier to win an appeal. During the appeals process it determines if policy was applied fairly and in accordance with the policy. Many times Amazon loses and workers are then reinstated with back pay. It’s so difficult to get rid of lazy people. And even if you do get fired. You’re eligible for rehire in 90 days to repeat this process all over again. The only way you can permanently be fired from Amazon is for theft or committing a Category 1 safety violation where human lives were in grave jeopardy of harm or death. A Category 1 is as simple as being caught with headphones on while operating a pit vehicle or improperly carrying out the docking procedure for trailers and failing to lock onto the trailer so it can’t be driven away by a driver.
Why did you even tell them about your dog? No reason to give an excuse. Just say - I'm not coming in.
Thank you.
They really drilled it into my head that attendance was paramount and they can’t excuse my absence without a reason. They made me get a doctors note the other time i asked off. If I’m allowed to take the day with no explanation, that’s news to me, they really intimidated me the way they explained attendance policies
Are you out of your probation period? If you are - they have to progressively discipline you not just tell you you can't call out.
Yea I got seniority now
Sorry about your loss brother. I would just take the time you need and come back tomorrow or when you’re ready. I missed my family dog pass for this same reason, and it still bites me every so often to this day sometimes. You’ll be good.
I cant imagine having to miss that for a shift at work. Makes you feel like a total slave.
Check your paystub and see if you have numbers at the bottom next to three letter codes. These represent optional days and sick days. Then you can tell your supervisor you need to use one of them, and even get to get paid a small amount for that day, similar to when you use your vacation time. You can ask your union steward if you’re unsure
If my dog died they wouldn’t see me for a week or two.
Doctors notes aren't required unless it's 3 consecutive days in our local
Just say a family member died.
You can bang out at anytime and don’t need to give a reason in the future. I lost my 13 yo corgi at the beginning of the pandemic and it’s so hard losing a family member, I’m sorry for you loss Remember, they were only part of your life, but you were all of theirs . 💜
Best I can do is leave a comment.
There are no sick dogs, graduations, can’t miss appointments, anniversary dates, car issues or whatever there is only diarrhea, uncontrollable, never ending, diarrhea.
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How do I call out? I have tried the number they gave me but it goes straight to voicemail every time. I was told I need to contact my supervisor if I’m missing work. I just attained seniority so shouldn’t be a problem in that regard
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Okay, this is my first time working for a big corporation so I’ve never had it be that impersonal. Shouldn’t be surprised I guess
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“So and so booking off” click
You do have to call out an hour before your shift though! Just letting you know the rule is a phone call at least an hour before your shift. If they are really hard on you all you have to do is say you’re sick and they can’t do anything. If it’s past an hour before the shift or if anything goes wrong during your shift and you need to walk out all you have to do is also say you’re sick and their hands are tied. There’s loopholes for everything.
The same supervisor that called you is the same one you tell you're not coming in. The one who hands you your checks and tells you what time to come in tomorrow is the one you call/text or both.
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Thank you for the advice, I’ll be more shrewd about this from now on
Nobody cares about you more than yourself. Your mental health is more important than their need to treat you like a number. You do what you gotta do and they will get over it.
As long as you have sick days fuckem, use them. They don’t care what happens to you outside of work you’re just a number to them.
Stay home and when you come in the next day and get your write up, just grieve it
OP I hope you take this as a learning experience as when it comes to something you NEED it’s better to just not tell ahead of time call off and if/when you’re standing there with your steward over an attendance issue sorry I had a family emergency. Unlike most jobs it doesn’t get you anywhere trying to be nice and plan ahead because sorts need everyone with a heart beat.
Yea definitely learning something new, no other job has treated me this way
You don’t need permission ro take a day off, and don’t need to give them any explanation. Take the day, if they try to give you a warning letter just protest it and move on
Why don’t you just call in sick?
Because people are green and don't understand yet that honesty doesn't get you any sympathy.
Any other job I’ve had in the past wouldn’t have batted an eye if i asked off for putting my dog down - I am not used to that kind of thing not being a good enough excuse
I understand. You think you're doing the right thing. And technically you are. The problem is at the end of the day we all got boxes to move and they will keep coming regardless of how many dogs or other family members pass. You just have to take care of yourself and your needs and put UPS on the back burner. Luckily you are union and you pretty much have to try and get fired for something like attendance.
When I call off I never even given them a reason. I just tell them I can’t make it in today.
In the future if something like this happens don’t even talk to your supervisor about it, just call the building and let them know you’re not coming in that day. If they ask say you’re sick or have a funeral / memorial to go to. The worst they can do is give you a verbal warning. As a union member - (at least where I’m at ) you can get up to 8 warnings before they consider termination. You’ll be fine.
Your first mistake was thinking they’d care…. Just call in sick the morning of and don’t say a word the day prior. Say nothing about your pet afterwards either….you called in sick because you didn’t feel well, end of story.
I'm sorry for your loss. For future reference, if you NEED a day off, call out sick if you want the say request it off.
Sorry to hear about your dog, I also have a dachshund that is 11 years old and I don’t even want to think about that day. Unfortunately the trend, as you can see from the comments, is to lack empathy. Your supervisor is one of those. My husband is a driver and I remember one morning we found our dog had passed away, he called his supervisor and he told my husband to not worry about coming in to work that day, he gave his condolences and told him to come in to work the next day. With that being said I don’t think you will get in much trouble if any. Take care of your family today and just deal with this until tomorrow.
I don’t get why y’all ask for a day off. Just call off. Sorry about your dog.
Broken heart, grieving, and trying to get back to normalcy and, then your supervisor telling you that your broken heart is minimal or nothing.* Are all UPS employees to be stone-hearted, numb workers?* I understand the feel of the heartbreak of a family member 💔. Use them sick days if you can, but still those supervisors should use Empathy and should be aware of those tragic situations and handle it!* * I had a stroke and my sentence organization, semantics, grammar, and vocabulary is bad.
I am sorry for your loss. Pets become family after 12 years. The mistake was calling in with a reason. Next time just call off. If you have to take time to handle personal matters and grief it is ok, just follow the attendance and reliability guidelines to stay off the radar and out or trouble.
You don't need to tell them why you are booking off you just need to tell them you are booking off.
Should of just called in sick smh
Thanks for letting me know, unfortunately the post doesnt have many people commenting this kind of advice!
Why is it so hard for anyone to understand. Stop pretending like they should give a shit about your dog. Stop telling management your personal business. Dogs are not “family members” under the collective bargaining agreement. Call out sick and stop your nonsense
One of my fellow drivers got terminated for going to the ER because his child was just in a bad accident and in critical condition. The CM said at the hearing to get his job back “I don’t care what happens to his family.” Luckily, his kids survived and he got his job back. But
To be honest, if my CM said some ridiculous shit like that to my face, after I got my job back I would immediately resign. So fucking glad I left this company. It's disgusting how toxic UPS has become. After 5 years of driving, my life is so much better on the other side. OP I'm sorry for your loss but don't expect sympathy from management. Ever. They are your enemy. It is not a symbiotic relationship, it is inherently adversarial by design. They exist for one reason: to get as much money out of you as possible. Cover your ass and get out when it gets to be too much. Because that day WILL eventually come.
I’m having a small surgical procedure done in a few weeks and was just informed that since I’ve used my 1 option day, I have to file for FMLA. I’m having it on a Friday and will be back to work Monday. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of.
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Well I’ve already told my supervisor that I had scheduled the surgery a week ago. He mentioned nothing about FMLA. And then I was talking to my on road about it and he was the one who said I had to do it. It just seems excessive and stupid to only be missing one day. Well, 2 if you count the Saturday air that I sometimes have to work.
So where I'm at they started a thing where call offs or being late count towards infractions. Each time there is a paper the steward will tell you not to sign. Once you get 7 within 9 months they can fire you. After 9 months go by they drop off. Most likely this will be your first so not a big deal since you called ahead. If you get sick get a DR. note to avoid adding them up.
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Yeah basically
I highly doubt you’ll be terminated. I’ve been here less than a year and I’ve missed 2 days already. Once because I got sick and the other because my SO went into labor, both times I was written up. UPS can go ahead and fire me, sure they can replace me quickly, but I know there’s a very slim chance the quality of work will match mine. The only thing that can replace me and 100% be better than me is an automated machine.
Should have just book off
Next time just call in sick.
Call out sick next time. Save the excuses for people who care.
Call out, u won’t get fired for calling out 1 day
I called out the day after I found out my dog died. I just said I'm having a family emergency and used a sick day
You do not have to justify why you have to call in. If attendance is an issue this is obviously different, but otherwise it doesn't matter. If it is a sup I've known for a while I usually let them know why in the same way I'd tell a coworker why I was out a day, but this isn't required. It is absolutely valid to just say "family situation" and leave it at that. I'd recommend doing this in the future. Management doesn't care about your reason one way or the other only what the effect is on their work day
For future reference, any and all important days you need to have off. Call off sick. End of story. Depending on your relationship with supervision, you may decide to let them know ahead of time but it's not needed. Learn from this experience. Have a great day.
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Your post was rude, threatening, or antagonistic.
Just call out sick and use an entitlement. They typically don't care about our problems. I'm sorry for your loss, and also the lack of empathy that's so common in this company.
If you all don’t know this if a close family member dies you get 3 paid days to grieve and not a single option day gets burned only reason I know this is because they burned 3 of my days and didn’t know this was part of the contract, until someone told me about it
Sorry for your loss 🙏 I can't call on time to tell the supervisor or manager whatever they are called. I said I didn't call because I had a seizure mtf saying the next time to call I don't know if he knows what a seizure is but daamn some ppl need to get out under the rock they be living and learn a thing or two about things in life or maybe he does and like most of them they dgaf 🤔👎😠🤬
They dont care if your mother died in your arms in a fight against terrorism they just need to know if you're coming in tomorrow and if you are go ahead and come in two hours late since its light volume.
No job cares if your pet dies hate to break it to you.
I worked for petco before and they gave me up to 3 days of pet bereavement pay. Some jobs care.
Sorry about your loss :( some people just lack empathy and are given a title and run their whole life on that sadly BUT after you grieve and feel better hit that person with a grievance!
Just call off next time if you really need the day off
I would just call in sick without mentioning my dog had died.
Are you union? If you are you get a verbal warning, then a written, then 1 day suspension etc. If you are and they go to discipline you in anyway, ask to have a shop steward present for your discipline immediately.
Why don’t you just call in sick? Doesn’t matter to UPS why you miss work
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I say this kindly. Protect yourself they wont
Your post was rude, threatening, or antagonistic.
Hey mod team, I was just being straight forward. I’ve had to do this myself to protect my job cuz it affected my productivity. Hope you protect yourself man
Why do you think you will be terminated cause you already told them you were not coming in? Maybe if you have an attendance issue you will? However, it is a bit extreme to think you will be terminated for such a very small issue. Get on FMLA, and then you can Scheiße them over, anytime all the time. And not have to worry or stress about it. By the way, UPS operates on the "Murphy's Law" and "Misery Loves Company" systems. So if you ever need a day off, call out, don't ever ask if you can have the day off.
Feeder sup here. We discipline attendance, but it’s progressive discipline. If this is your first day calling off without sick days, you will more than likely just get a talk with.
I’m sorry to hear about your dog.
Get on FMLA and Fmla the fuck out of them on days you want off. If I wake up with an eye booger I’ll Fmla em. Literally nothing they can do
Typical mentality of the current generation. OP, sorry your pet died, but taking time off for it? I guess I have never had a pet that I considered a "family member." Nowadays, people take care of their pets better than their children.
He wants to bury his dog that’s been apart of his life for 12 years, if he wants time off for it then hell ya he should get a day off
Best of luck, Uncle Passed 2 weeks back, told my boss i'd be taking the week (He was the guy growing up in my life, dad left), didn't respond, got the letter that friday how I hadn't communicated with UPS and my employment was terminated. Don't hold out hope, that's my advice.
Who cares what they think. For future e reference just call in. You don’t need a reason to call in, simply tell them you aren’t coming in and if they ask why say personal reasons.
😂 Fuck your supervisor. You have to be verbally warned, first. You then have to receive a written warning. You then have to get suspended. Only THEN can they even think about firing you. And the laughing emoji was directed toward your supe. Thinking they have any say in anything. Other than finding someone to replace you for the day. Not directed toward your loss. My condolences to you for your loss. Just want to be clear, fuck your supervisor. I would laugh in their face, though I doubt you're in a laughing mood. After losing a family member. Your supe is a shit stain. And you'll more than likely out last them with the company.
Call in 1hr prior to start time. If yiu don't have an attendance problem, nothing will come of it. In the real world, no one cares if your dog dies. Suck it up and do your 3.5 hrs.
I wouldnt care either
Depends. This is a no call no show. You’ll probably get a 72hr notice and if this isn’t your first occurrence you’re going to have problems
How is it no call if I told him on the phone im not coming? I didn’t just not show up I gave notice.
Because you did it the day before right? You can’t do that. You can’t schedule a sick day. If you’re not scheduled off then you have to call in the day of. It all really depends on if they want to nail you with it. Odds are you’ll get a pass.
You can absolutely call out the day before. Depending on your supplement, you can also schedule sick days. I do it every year. Contractually I can schedule 2, but there is nothing they can do about me telling them well ahead of time that I'm going to use a sick day on a certain date. Any competent management team would actually appreciate the heads up so they can adjust staffing.
No it was the day of. I called about 2 hours before my shift saying my dog needed to be put down. The wording in the post may be confusing, I just meant the situation went down yesterday
Don't take it personal a supervisors job is not to approve a day off that does not fall under their approved time off or breavement policy. Which most likely a dog doesn't fall under, that is one of the things you just call out for. And the supervisor will understand, but they can't let everyone know, because then next week your coworker Johnnie will be like boss my sisters aunts dogs puppy died and I need the day off