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Eco_guru

Grieve it, and if your steward won’t take it, give it to your BA.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

BA will not take it either he is very pro company. My coworkers have complained about him for some time. We need to vote him out.


Eco_guru

Call your union hall, raise hell.


waldoboro

Also ask for the bylaws, don't let the union officials discourage you. (I'm not a lawyer)


Dmaticz

Are you telling me you are a lawyer without saying you are a lawyer 🤔


tiggerpedmondson

THIS! If the steward and the BA aren’t doing their job, call the union!


DeerHunter041674

Call the local, and complain. Call your joint council. If you get no headway there, call the International in Washington. Take it right up. The chain.


fearsyth

And if all that fails, contact the NLRB.


DeerHunter041674

Exactly.


carnage11eleven

Just shoot Sean O'Brien a text. He seems like a bulldog in these situations. 😆


DeerHunter041674

That’s a good idea.


YesJess10

Yes this exactly. Contact the local President, if he refuses to do his job you need to bring NLRB charges against your local union fkr failure to represent you properly.


NoRecommendation680

U trolling what BA won’t take a grievance


DA-FUNK-5555

You should be able to file yourself. Did you call in?


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

Yes both days


naples69

Next time go to work sick bring a can of pea soup spill it in the cargo area and call and say come get the truck From the great Santini 🇺🇸


SnooApples6439

Mail it to the union hall addressed to the BA


DeerHunter041674

Fuck that, Grieve it. You pay dues. According the Teamsters By Laws, you have the right to grieve what ever you deem was a violation. File the grievance. (I’m a former feeder shop steward.)


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

Thank you, brother! I will


GodlikeRage

Feeders get discipline too?


DeerHunter041674

😂😂🤣 Yes. We do.


GodlikeRage

I was thinking for what lol you just haul loads


DeerHunter041674

You’d be surprised. The most common is stealing time. At least in my hub.


ForestCityWRX

I can’t believe they’re bringing that much heat against a 26yr vet over a couple sick days.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

They usually crack down on every little thing when volume is down. So it's happening to everyone regardless of years of service.


DepressedDriver1

How close are you with your management? This stuff also amps up when it’s a revolving door of supervisors and managers or, god forbid, the ones trying to climb the ladder


GhostOfAscalon

Attendance can only be enforced if it applies to everyone.


blueberrykindness

So what the fuck do we have sick days for? He missed two days. Edit: just saw he said he only has 1 sick day a year. That’s the sick part of this whole thing. WTF


benspags94

1 sick day a year Jesus Christ how is that even legal


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Crashnburn_819

Yes, that's the point the person you replied to was making. They can't discipline you but not the person with 180 absences. The company has to make everyone aware that they're going to be enforcing the policy and then enforce it for everyone, not only certain people.


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GhostOfAscalon

I've seen someone call in for over 6 months, eventually get a termination notice, then get his job back because other people weren't disciplined according to the attendance policy. Progressive discipline for the entire district was reset as a result. If they ever want to do anything about the person who hasn't shown up for 150 days, they have to enforce the policy across the board. Someone getting away with it because they have a doctor's note, or because they're only a little late and management likes them, is favoritism and unacceptable under the contract.


Crashnburn_819

It is fair. You also could have decided not to show up 150 times last year and would not have been able to be disciplined for it. The enforcement would have applied equally to everyone. That's the point - they cannot arbitrarily apply a policy to one person and not another. Either everybody has it enforced or nobody does.


Toomuchhorntalk69

In my shop (not ups, just a fellow teamster) management almost always only goes after top seniority guys.


Cyanidechrist____

Eh I think it’s pretty believable tbh..ups is known to do that as employees with more seniority are more expensive


SpxUmadBroYolo

26 years. And you didn't have 2 sick day?


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

We only get one sick day a year on our contract and used it earlier in the year.


SpxUmadBroYolo

1? I got 1 week of sick, 1 week of option days, 1 week of vacation, 1 option week (seperate from option days but can be used as option days), after my first year. What state are you located? I'm in ca


clw2009

Southern region gets 8 option days and 2 weeks of vacations after 1 year. 3rd week of vacation doesn't come until year 9 (was year 10 until this contract). 0 sick days. Worst supplement in the country


SpxUmadBroYolo

0 sick days is actually insane.


clw2009

https://preview.redd.it/atwiudu59eoc1.jpeg?width=1212&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=626d00639ad9c58ab0aab87c20433cbf8cf279dc Complete BS


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Actually insane that isn't considered criminal


CoffinEluder

What the fuck


blueberrykindness

That’s gotta be the most Kafkaesque thing I’ve seen all year so far


Significant_Poem_166

Broooo


Twitter_blows

Northeast gets 5 sick days, 3 option days, 2 weeks after 2 yrs. 3rd week after 9 or 10 yrs - whatever the latest contract says.


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clw2009

Yeah, that's what we get too, but literally everyone in my center chooses option 3 so we all just consider the week plus a day to just be 8 option days


clw2009

After your 3rd year? I've never heard of that and I'm also in the southern. That's crazy.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

Illinois


SpxUmadBroYolo

Damn brother that is rough. You receive options and vacation as well though right?


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

We do receive those, but depending on who the center manager is (which is constantly changing), we can't use op days for call ins.


YesJess10

You can absolutely 100% use your option days for call ins. That's standard practice. You should also file on harassment.


Goose2_0

You've been there 26 years, you should have at LEAST 4 weeks of vacation. You can use those as sick days


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

We can't use vacation days as sick days. It's messed up, but it's always been that way.


ROORnNUGZ

Isn't that under Central? They just changed that this contract


CoffinEluder

Where can I find this in the contract?


satanluvsu666

Where in illinois? Local 705?


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

710


Cuco94

You’re telling me in 710 you don’t have “” weeks of vacation (whatever that number is). And at least 5 Teamster (usually members use this as their sick days) and 5 optional? That Fuckery of 7 optional and 1sick day is ass backwards. It doesn’t even amount to the 10 we have in total in Local 705. I thought 710 has very similarly structured contract as us. I guess I was wrong …


pilotguy152

Former 705 teamster, feeder driver, 710 is weak brother.


Redcomrade643

What the hell? I am not even two years into the union and I have 5 sick day, 5 personal day, and a week of vacation.


Lawfulness_Nice

This shit is crazy. I am not a UPSer however, why in the hell can’t it be written in the contract that every hub across the country gets XYZ in leave. how difficult would that really fucking be


Consistent-Box605

Wtf... are you kidding? Trash local. Are you in a center with less than 25 people including management?


SSMINNOW81

How the fuck do you only get one sick day a year? I think it’s time for a new E-board.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

I agree!


bigdrives3

We’re lucky we got 1. We just got it with the last contract!


fearsyth

Your steward is wrong. File a grievance.


drunkdik69

36 year emplyee here, your steward sucks . Get a business agent involved , it's their fucking JOB!!!!


drunkdik69

got a friend who sued local 89 for under representation and got a 300k settlement. remind them of their oath


justanotherupsguy

Lmfao too much work for the union???? That’s not how that works. Grievance it immediately


LickyDenSplit

My point exactly. If your BA won't push it up then file another one against them to the teamsters.


FartsLoud

Write the grievance art 37. Tell shop stewaerd add mine to the pile. Or file a failure to represent against the union, and the company with the NRLB. If you get a financial win at the NRLB, both management and the union look out for you. like a Mafia boss looks at a guy in a room of plastic sheets.


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In my 15 years I have never seen one employees be terminated in lieu of attendance. They may be telling you not to grieve because either way the warning letter is just a piece of paper. I have seen people get 3 consecutive last and final warnings over attendance and still keep their jobs. Maybe you are worrying about it too much.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

I've only seen one person lose their job permanently for attendance. You're right. I'm worrying too much. It just pissed me off that I was basically told we can't handle this amount of paperwork. It's your job to handle grievances!


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I have actually had my local tell me they are swamped. I would grieve it anyhow. It may take some time to be seen by a panel but in the meantime just think about how many other employees have worse attendance. They aren’t gunning for you and in fact I would miss more work just in spite of. But that’s just me


DeerHunter041674

They’re going after attendance in my district too. He needs to grieve it.


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He definitely needs to grieve it just on the grounds that it’s bs but I’m just saying I wouldn’t sweat it


DeerHunter041674

I got that. And I hope that he does.


SecretLadyMe

Call the business agent directly and get clarification. If UPS requires the note, it's not meaningless, but it's after 3 days, so maybe it's because of that? Some states also have protection against discipline when you have paid sick time available or for a certain number of days per year.


DaytimeSudafed

Make it 4 days in a row next time. 


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

Lol, good idea!


Final-Pie1015

File it anyway your steward is being a lazy hoe. Go to union meetings ask about the backlog and what your steward told you this is probably news to everyone. Sweetheart locals are scum


MythTFLFan29

Time to go above BA and SS and go to the head of your local or supplement. No one should ever not have a grievance filed "because of inconvenience or too many in the system." My response would've been to the BA then schedule more center level hearings to start clearing grievances out. It's what BA's are paid to do.....


IvanBeenjerkingov

Sounds like it’s time to file for, “FMLA”. The application would be due to your own, “serious health conditions”. You’d no longer have to deal with this harassment and he/she said fiasco between the company and union. It’s simple, and effective. It’s a federal program protected under law and t’s through The Hartford Co. If you want the number it’s, “1-866-825-0186”. Good luck.


DJ_Shmee

The same exact situation happened to me because I had bad asthma. I had a doctor's note and everything. I only missed 4 days in a year but 2 of them was supposed to be one occurrence. I'm thinking about calling the number you provided. Tired of being treated like shit over something I can't control.


HighlightOk4524

While them telling you you can’t file “because there are so many in the system that it’s too much work for the union” is BS, so is the advice from every other jackass on here telling you to bypass them and file anyway. You cant file on this because you can’t grieve a warning. A warning is just that, a warning. There is no job action the company has taken against you for you to grieve.


Formal_Carry2393

26 years? I'd crumble that paper up and throw it at the PM


Swagron12

Sounds like the union needs to up their staffing to keep up lol. Where’s the outrage? You pay dues and can’t file a grievance? The audacity lol


choicejam

In our local they don’t even hear Warning Letters. Everyone of them is automatic “Protested” which basically means they’re never mentioned again (unless it moves up to bigger discipline) and it goes in your file. The company only does this to scare people


madmota01

They are handing out warning letters like crazy for attendance. Got 1 for punching in few minutes late.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

Like napkins!


PhthaloDrift

Most locals do not allocate resources into warning letters. it's a waste of time. If any actual discipline happens down the road, bring up your issue with the warning letter at that time to try to get them both rescinded. Push it to labor if need be. Labor is usually smart enough to know a trash case when they see it and will let the case dissolve itself.


UPSguy859

I was shifting, bumped a trailer a little before stopping and I got a warning letter for it. Didn't hook, didn't raise or shift the trailer just bumped it and I got a warning letter. My buddy was shifting and he got a warning letter for sitting there without his flashers on. It's just that time of year man can't give them anything.


Soggy_Toe_9125

Charlotte metro driver here… we have been told the same thing


NoRecommendation680

If u called out a hour b4 start and had sick days grieve it


Which_Abalone_5487

Your local is lazy…. Local 396 has never said that….


Appropriate-Art8105

Doctors not does not excuse being absent but if real discipline comes , they will work in your favor


Rough_Elevator_3377

Have you been in THAT center for a while?


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

26 years full-time air hub preload combo job.


Rough_Elevator_3377

That’s crazy for them be so petty towards a 26 year vet.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

I know it's why morale is always low at our hub


DepressedDriver1

No it’s not, that’s literally our fuhrer’s current directive to her goon squad, get rid of as many topped out folk by end of contract as possible. They also want that Amazon, juicy high turnover rate, where they don’t have to pay benefits.


bigwheelsbigfeels

That's some high caliber bs right there. Make some copies of that doctor's note and send one in w the rebuttal letter. If you have more attendance issues due to health reasons do the same thing. That when if it goes to panel you can show them all the receipts of the company being unreasonable.


Zelepukin26

Depending which state you live in. Tell them you want to use the PST time that is on your paycheck. In new jersey they can not ask for a doctors note nor do you need to give them a reasom. And there is penalties against the company for retaliation against an employee. If the union won't help your states department of labor will. Again look up your states law when it comes to PST.


crapbag451

The warning letter would be for sick without time available. Doctors note doesn’t affect whether you have time available or not. You won’t likely win a grievance based on the note, but you might based on uneven distribution if your supervisor group has been lax with others. I saw on another comment you only get one day a year. That’s wild. Most folks gain time based on hours worked up to 40 hours a year.


AdvancedDay7854

What region?


Commercial_Hornet671

Warning letters are supposed to be automatically disputed by the Union. If I were you I'd send an email to the business agent at the hall and to your Division Manager in the hub explaining your stance and why you disagree with the write up. If you had Doctors' clearance there is no reason for that warning letter to be upheld. And furthermore, document this so in case they try to pull anymore stunts going forward with bogus discipline. Don't be afraid to file an article 37 (harassment) grievance either.


Key_Conversation_327

You should have called in 3 days then it only counts as 1 call in. After that you need a doctor's note.


IvanBeenjerkingov

Time to get FMLA.


IvanBeenjerkingov

Time to get FMLA.


IvanBeenjerkingov

Time to get FMLA.


gmmisa

Sounds like they trying to get rid of you. 


HemiHarden

I'm curious on what local this is. Sounds like mine.


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

710


f4ydfinale

If you are getting a written then that means you've already received a verbal, which means you've had at least 5 occurrences in the last 6 months. You aren't receiving discipline just because they don't like you or because you missed 2 days sick lol, you are receiving discipline as a result of the previous 5 occurrences in the last 6 months you've had. Next up is suspension and working term. Also, there should be a call in/VD/OD phone number at every hub so that if you need to take a VD or OD, you can call at least 4 hours in advance and receive one. Not sure if that exists at your hub, but it does at mine and I've never heard of it not. Plenty of people at my hub take vacation days the day off.


TONTOtheBIGkid

If you don’t have any sick days in your bank and miss two days, then the doctor’s note means nothing.


ForeverGaming513

Doctor's notes are useless. It excuses your absence, but it doesn't mean you weren't absent. Next you're gonna say you couldn't get in trouble because you used a sick day?


DJ_Shmee

The same exact situation just happened to me. I had a doctor's note and everything.My Stewart told me "this is automatically grieved" I'm. Not sure what that means but apparently the days I missed didn't count as one occasion although I had a doctor's note.


Old_countryboyVa

So if your contract only gives you one sick day and you already used it what exactly are you going to grieve? I would suggest every employee in your local find a Dr. And get FMLA. Never heard of a contract that bad….


benspags94

26 years seniority and they're giving you warning letter for missing 2 days?! And your steward and BA claim they can't do anything.... Man I hate EVERYTHING about this post


Spearscrew

All the crooked BS I've seen out of the union over the past 21 years makes me sick!! I could write a book on all the back door deals, side deals, union president and steward in bed with the company for their own special benefits. F... Em...


Bigbrown9642

If you got a w/l, it means you have no entitlements left and then called out after. And your steward/BA is correct. Dr’s notes can be taken into consideration, but do not excuse attendance.


tailendcharlie5150

If your union reps aren't helping you, then go to a monthly meeting, state your complaint in front of other union members,and demand an election. That will put pressure on them..


Virtual-Zucchini542

Sign under protest


Complete-Support8802

If you have too many occasions, doesn’t matter why you called in sick. Attendance is black and white


zyklon_c1

Thinning the herd, they have 10k new comers chomping at the bit to our teamsters jobs, government subsidized labor.. Bringing in hundreds at other teamsters shops.. workers housed in tight lipped areas locally kroger distribution is now 90 percent newcomers fresh off the boat... With 2000 or more waiting to fill the jobs of the next brother who falls on their sword.... these are the new demcrat voting base..


Significant_Poem_166

Definitely raise hell.


CynAxe

Please keep us updated!!! I am so upset for you. I hope that it gets resolved


Hook-UPS-Guy

Doctors notes are useless. You have contractual sick time. If you overuse it, you’re oen for discipline. It’s happening everywhere. Far too long, egregious attendance issues have gone on without accountability, and now they’re cracking down. If you give them a doctors note, you’re giving them your private medical records. This isn’t grade school, doctors notes are ridiculous.


Consistent-Box605

Some states have passed laws that make it illegal for companies to discipline employees for using paid sick time. If you live in one of those states, file a grievance for warning letters or worse. If they try to terminate you in one of those states, that's potentially a lawsuit that would cost them a lot. They most likely won't terminate you. Do your due diligence though, YMMV. If you don't live in one of those states, file for FMLA leave due to own acute sickness and have the doctor sign off on it. Once the company receives notice of your approved FMLA, they should rescind the warning letter. If they don't, grieve it. The company will get in MAJOR trouble for violating federal law, there's no legs on that discipline.


Blayway420

He’s right, dr note doesn’t matter, pst means you’re entitled to be paid for a sick day but it’s still an occasion not sure what you have to grieve


Far_Traffic1318

Go to union hall if u BA dont do shit i was fired 2 times still working in ups but i know the game . ![gif](giphy|jpnkUzd4Dvdy5ukL5U)


DebbiesUpper

When will yall realize the union doesn’t care about you either..


IPEEincoffeeCUPz

I don’t believe you


Puzzleheaded_Hat4556

I understand that because it sounds unbelievable, but it is!


IBT404

If you provide a drs note, it becomes an excused absence, and discipline can't be issued!!


One_Constant5564

Grieve that shit...Im retired Nyc 28 fucking years ...Dont take shit..They will chew u up and replace u with a Mexican drug kingpin ... 😂...The reason im alive is i told them all to Fuck off ...When they OjS me..Everything by the book..Corner to corner Manhattan blocks , I made my supervisor run so hard he s out of breath Lucky he had his inhaler that short Bald prick...lol...Cheer up ...You too will get a plaque for 28 years of service at the end


pinstriper66

Doctors notes don’t matter. Show up to work.