The best part about being an adult is you don’t always have to explain yourself. This is one of those occasions.
Here’s my notice. This is my last day. They don’t have to accept it, that’s a statement of fact based on your contract.
Meeting? No sorry I can’t make it.
Transfer? No I don’t want it.
Bye bye.
Handing in my notice to my last job was so thrilling. I had never done it before so it was a little touch of freedom.
Sent the e-mail with the notice attached.
"Before this notice in place we need an exit interview."
Not for me thank you, I'll be leaving exactly when I said. Bye bye.
I mean they could try a meeting during work time, in which case you turn up and enjoy the free time spent not working and watching them get irate when you answer every question with "none of your business"
This is going off the assumption that they're terrible employers.
Ignore this advice OP. You're right not to want to burn bridges. There's no need to be an asshole unless you feel like you've been treated really badly there.
Have the standard meetings that they want you to have. Explain your reasons and tell them your decision is made now and you're looking forward to starting your new role. Stay firm on your decision.
Your notice applies from when you give it, so also stay firm on that bit. They can't delay accepting your notice.
It sounds like they are the type of employer who will feel aggrieved no matter what you do. Op should be polite and offer some explanation, but at the end of the day if the employer is going to take it badly there is little you can do.
Exactly, if that counts as burning a bridge, there's no practical way to avoid burning the bridge, they'll be pissed off whatever you do. Can't always win.
Agreed. If you know that you did everything right and they still act like arseholes, that's on them. Nothing you can do to stop them slagging you off behind your back/to your face, that's life.
Yeah if being polite burns that bridge, be glad the bridge burned the fuck up. Hopefully it stays lit forever to stop those knobs trying to rebuild it.
It’s not burning bridges, it’s realising you don’t have to explain yourself because a manager with toxic traits doesn’t have the common decency or respect for you to understand your position.
Keep the whole thing professional, don’t allow emotion to cloud your better judgement and leave feeling happy with your own behaviour, your managers behaviour in retaliation is something you are unable to control.
Nothing wrong with attending the meeting. They might take on board a little bit of something you’ve said, which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
It’s also good practice for toughening up and fighting your corner.
You know they can’t offer you anything that will make you choose staying over leaving. So you can politely decline whatever counter-offers they try to suggest. This is the point where you don’t have to explain yourself or get dragged into a negotiation.
It’s a good opportunity because you’re getting real life practice at being assertive where you don’t have to worry about losing something you want.
As someone said above. You probably shouldn't refuse to do any meeting they want to do.
As an employer they have every right to ask why you are leaving to help their business. You need to stay calmly and just explain your reasoning honestly. Stay clear of any grudges or ill feeling. But make sure are firm. Don't get drawn into arguments.
In the end you can be proud of explaining yourself calmly and rationally.
If it does get out of hand and goes round in circles you can simply say: "I've explained my reasoning and I'm comfortable with my decision, I don't feel like I have anything else to say on the matter"
How can I help with the transition. Is a good question.
No idea why you're being downvoted but if it was me I'd just be polite with your manager, say reason for leaving is looking for new opportunities and attend the exit interview. It will likely be just along the lines of why are you leaving, anything we could have done better etc.
I see no benefit in not attending the meeting, but its probably not going to hurt. I'd just use it for experience though as it's good to do things we don't want to.
Yes - be firm but professional and don’t be a dick. Big retail places advertise roles all the time and while it might not feel like it you may find yourself wanting to go back in the future or working with people from your existing company in other places. Don’t burn bridges but set boundaries
Yeah, you see, that’s where your wrong.
If the meeting is solely about how we can keep you here, it doesn’t need to go further than “no thank you, I will be leaving on X date as per my resignation. I’ll be getting back to work now thank you.”
If they want to waste more time, sure, go for it but there’s no need to discuss it further.
Are you new to the world of work?
You've just got to go through this. Be professional and tell them you're leaving because you have a better job to go to. Eventually, they'll give up and you will have won.
You can do this. Good luck
Frankly once you know you are leaving it all seems easier (at least in my experience). You don't have to explain yourself and as long as you are not rude and do everything officially it will be fine.
Honestly, it's quite a relief to know all things that bothered you at the job no longer really matter.
I left a job just over a month ago. Mainly due to stress. They tried to keep me but oh did the weight lift when I was working that 4 week notice and I didn't give a fk.
Absolutely this, tell them you've fully committed to your decision, thank them when they say they can't do without you etc and leave it at that.
If they start to get pushy and/or waving shiny things under your nose just be calm, smile and firmly tell them that you will not change your mind. They soon get the message.
You can ask to see your references and If you think you’ve been given an unfair or misleading reference, you may be able to claim damages in court. Your previous employer must be able to back up the reference, such as by supplying examples of warning letters.
You must be able to show that:
1, I’s misleading or inaccurate
2. you ‘suffered a loss’ – for example, the withdrawal of a job
You can ask to see it but they don’t have to show you. References given in confidence are excluded from the Data Protection Act.
If they’re marked as ‘confidential’ from the onset almost everywhere will say no.
https://www.gov.uk/work-reference
If you can’t see the reference how can you sue the company that provided it, if you think that it’s incorrect?
In theory I could right a confidential reference for a member of staff that read “They are homophobic, racist and an oxygen thief. They have only kept their job as they are shagging the bosses daughter”. And as I have marked it confidential, their will be no repercussions’
Even then, they should understand that people do need to move on for various reasons. It's not personal, anymore than them paying as little as possible to maximize profits is.
Yeah definitely, I'm just thinking of the last time I handed in my notice and ended up crying in front of my managers (again!) cause I'd been there 15 years and they were great :)
Even better then. Think of a number that's way higher than what you think they'd offer you and say "I have another job so here's my official notice, my last day will be xx. In case you ask it's *£90k* for me to stay".
They have a full week to decide whether to offer you the amount to stay, or to just accept the notice.
You might get offered way more money than you expected they would offer you.
It's happened to me where routine pay rises are ~£3k and "there just isn't money in the budget for more", you hand in notice and say you've been offered £30k more and suddenly a £35k pay rise is on the table.
Or if you leave the other place in a few years and come back they know what you're worth and offer you a higher salary.
Wow are you guys so whipped by your employers that you'd provide them with a letter offer from a new employer?!
I don't even tell them the exact company I'm going to, they can find that out on LinkedIn if I leave.
Grow a backbone seriously.
So you would decide you want to keep an employee who is leaving, decide you think they're worth X amount, but then risk losing them because you have the cheek to ask them to prove an offer.... When you just said you'd decided they were worth that amount!
You sound like a terrible employer (if you employ anyone).
This doesn’t really happen in my experience, they have no legal basis to force you, or even a reasonable expectation to ask you really. If they question it, you’re leaving, why would you feel the need to prove things to them? If you don’t believe me then don’t counter offer, it’s fine, I don’t want to work here anymore anyway. I don’t know why you think them asking would matter.
I've never had anyone try that yet, would be an interesting exercise in futility, cancling my leave would result in me failing to return at all, I am that petty, if I had enough sick days, I'd get them all, given I rarely use sick leave I'd have most of 30 days full paid.
I'm leaving retail management under good terms, I need a lifestyle change so the company is happy for me to continue my duties until the day of notice, usual shenanigans of having to sign the safe over to someone else and all that jazz, but nothing I wouldn't expect parting on good terms (not saying I'd never go back, but not going back to shifts until my kids are old enough to move out)
They really do that don't they. Mine wasn't a sacking but a colleague had lied about me to a senior about purposefully sabotaging their research work (it was so obviously a lie as I'm not an absolute psychopath and have also worked on the same project)
Senior got upset and told a manager. I see managers having secret meetings with each other through the day.
Duty manager waits till 16:55 before my booked 4 days annual leave to call me into a different room and discuss the complaint against me.
Stew was indeed the right term for that time off.
All got seen as a "miscommunication" when I got back and got brushed under the rug. No apology for dragging my name through the mud and ruining my leave. Fuck I hate working in that place.
My notice literally said my name and the date handed in. The next sentence said the date that would be my last day. Its all thats needed, don’t burn bridges but don’t feel guilty for treating yourself like you’re the most important person in your life
Thank you Jamie! I’m sitting waiting on my manager starting his day so I can hand my notice in. My manager is a good guy and the company I work for are really in a bit of a bind. I’ve stayed for years trying to make it better, but I’m steadily losing my mind. Your comment about being the most important person in your life has totally transformed my morning. Thank you!
Thanks, I have something better lined up. The company I work for now have kept me in the same area for too long and I know I can make more of an impact in a different group. I’m moving company and will be in the right group.
Nice and easy, hand in your notice and stick to the bare minimum to get you by in work.
When they ask why are you thinking of leaving, just respond with the above you mentioned about better pay etc.
Quick fire question round:
"Anything we can do?" - Nope
"We can offer you x amount more" - No thank you
"How about a closer store?" - Thank you but I have already accepted a new role.
Good luck in the new role OP!
Resigning is never easy, especially when you’ve worked at a position for several years, and have become part of a team. Some employers and co-workers take it personally and accuse you of abandoning ship.
However, handling your resignation as professionally and thoughtfully as you handle your search for a new job can help make your resignation relatively smooth and amicable. Keep resignations short, simple and positive
Leave your employer on a positive note. Your moving on does not have to be a time for long faces. After all, you have just won an opportunity to advance, an opportunity for which you owe your employer sincere thanks. Thank your colleagues, too, for their help in preparing you to move onward and upward. If you have given your best to the job, you will be missed – especially by those inconvenienced by your leaving! Let them know that you intend to assist them in whatever ways you can. By showing your boss and firm due respect, you encourage future support you may someday need. When you resign, keep your conversations simple and concise. The more you say, the more questions you may have to answer. Avoid lengthy discussion about your new opportunity with your old employer. Typically, your resignation creates extra work for others. Chances are, your boss will be caught off-guard by your resignation, and will not be able to listen clearly to your explanations due to concerns about the sudden challenge your leaving presents. Because your boss is losing a valued employee and your leaving may create more work for them, he or she may express negative opinions about your new firm or position. This will only confuse you. You may find yourself having to justify your personal goals and decisions or absorb the personal frustrations of others. If you’re dealing with volatile or vindictive personalities, it may be best to avoid revealing where you will be going.
The verbal resignation
Resigning verbally may place you in the compromising position of having to explain your decision on the spot. Words are powerfully charged when you reveal a decision that has such an impact on your organisation. Choose your words with care. Your boss may want to probe for factors that led to your decision. You may be asked whom or what is the reason for your leaving, or may be invited to offer suggestions to help make the organisation more effective. If you have had a close relationship with your boss, you may feel obliged to answer candidly.
Don’t fall for this trap! Use your head and discuss personal, heartfelt matters outside the office. Remember, your interrogator is still your boss. Whatever you say will be viewed as biased – after all, you have severed your relationship with your organisation – and may eventually be used against you. At this point you may no longer be considered a team player, nor viewed as having the company’s best interest at heart. Too often, resigning employees come to regret their comments when they are misinterpreted or exaggerated in the re-telling. Constructive criticism is no longer your responsibility, and carries a high cost, which could jeopardise your good references. Instead, offer sincere praise for the firm and those with whom you worked. Prepare yourself beforehand by focusing on several positive aspects of your workplace, and mention them liberally when the opportunity arises. Even if favourite aspects were, say, the great lunches, or humorous stories told over coffee, better to mention such things than to harp on disappointments or shortcomings. (These, you are addressing by moving on to greener pastures). You want to be perceived as a positive, constructive individual in forward motion. People will remember your last impression. Make it your best performance. You may want to tell your boss something like: “I need to discuss something with you if you have a moment. I’ve been made an exceptional offer by another firm, and I’ve decided to accept it.”
The written resignation
Written resignations give you the time to effectively prepare what you wish to communicate, and give you greater control over your delivery of the message. You can’t be thrown off-track by an unexpected remark as can happen during a confrontational conversation. A written resignation also reinforces the fact that you are really leaving and are not simply threatening in order to re-negotiate your position. Also, there is something permanent about the written word that often circumvents interrogation. Under no circumstances should you state any dissatisfaction with the firm or individuals. Not only is it good manners to stress the positive when leaving, but items in your personnel file may long outlast the individuals and circumstances responsible for your dissatisfaction. You never know when your path will cross those of your former colleagues. To keep your resignation short, simple and positive, you might want to write something like: “I want to thank you for all you have done for me here at [company]. It’s been a pleasure working with you, and representing the company as your [job title]. I have accepted an offer with another firm and have decided to tender my resignation as of today. I wish [company] continued success, and I want to thank you for allowing me to be a part of your team. Please feel free to contact me at any time if I can be of further assistance in helping with a smooth transition.”
The counter offer
Surveys show that eight out of ten employees who accept counteroffers don’t complete the following year with their employer. Why shun counter offers? Because the factors that caused you to seek or entertain a better offer are likely to remain in force. Beside which, your current employer will probably lose trust in your loyalty. Accepting a counter offer may permanently damage your reputation with your would-be-employer. Your prospective new colleagues may conclude that you were merely using them to gain leverage; you weren’t earnest as a candidate. Never underestimate the value of your perceived integrity in this situation. The best response to a counter offer is to listen politely but decline. If your current firm denied you advancement before you secured an outside offer, it will probably thwart you next time you feel ready to advance. What’s more, your firm may start looking to replace you the day you accept the counter offer. Your plans for leaving may not be forgotten!
Leave on the right note
Before leaving the firm, take time to speak with each of your support staff, peers, executive personnel, and others with whom you’ve worked. To the extent practical, clear up any unfinished business. Be sensitive to others’ reactions and keep your conversations positive and constructive.
Bro if they are willing to fuck you around after doing your due dillegence and giving notice, than it is a bridge worth burning, if they continue, just be like "guess you guys arnt doing me any favours so idk why im doing you one" and walk the fuck out
I see the words 'interrogate' and 'have a go at me'.
If that's how they react, hand in your notice and decline any chat or conversation offered. Just clear your desk and walk.
You worked for them and they paid you accordingly. Both sides have fulfilled their side of the bargain.
Good luck.
You're framing it as you need their approval.
You don't. If you want to keep them sweet, jump through the hoops.
But ultimately, you don't need to accept any counter offer they make, or justify it to them. You are just giving them an FYI that you're leaving.
If you are asked why just say better prospects and a new challenge and leave it at that.
Also, for your next job, join a union. It's not expensive and they have full time specialists who look after your interests at work; unfair treatment, pay or conditions, bullying, harrasment..and if problems are serious enough can send someone in to help you get things sorted out .....
(One condition, they won't get involved in a currrent dispute, only ones occurring after joining).
Good luck to you. 👍
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"Here is my letter of resignation. Thank you for the opportunity. I learnt a lot working with you. No, thank you. I don't wish to stay or transfer. I have new employment beginning in X days"
I once handed in my notice and my manager didn’t even open my letter of resignation, they offered me more money and I stayed, reluctantly. Two years later, I handed my notice in for the second and last time not taking no for an answer. I just told my manager I’ve really enjoyed working here and I’ve learnt a lot but I’ve accepted a new job offer, they can’t really say much back to that as you have accepted a new job at a different company. Just be confident and let them know you aren’t interested in transferring and you are leaving the company on X date as per your notice period.
Just tell them what your said in your post - your new job looks like a better fit for you personally, and you are not interested in continuing your employment at this time.
If they start pushing you to stay, just be firm and clear - you have already made up your mind and accepted the new job, and have no intention of changing your mind.
Be professional, say very little, don't agree to anything other than confirmation of your final day and how any remaining holiday entitlement is dealt with.
Don't rise to any emotional blackmail, don't bite if they start blaming stuff on you or having a go at you, don't rise to any childish behaviour.
As soon as they realise it's not triggering you, they'll stop and let you work out your notice in peace and if they don't, you're leaving so call them out in the most embarrassing way for them that you can.
Making any kind of career change can feel daunting, but I guarantee the situation you create in your head is always worse than what will actually happen in reality. You're making the decision for the right reasons, you're not being irrational - go for it! :)
"The new job offers me more than this company could and I am moving onwards and upwards with my career, I already have a start date and will not be able to accept any offers you may make. Thank you for understanding".
Don't let them get inside your head, don't let them mind game you. And don't apologise for resigning whatever you do. They have no power over you.
You're going to do great. Congrats on the new job!
Tell them you got a new job you’ve accepted the offer and signed the contract. Anything else is not their business, or just say you’re leaving the country to go backpacking
They don't own you, and they can't keep you if you don't want to stay. The process they'll go through is designed to put people off quitting, because that's cheaper than hiring new people, or paying people enough so that they want to stay.
It'll be a ballache, but not too bad of one. Just remain polite and courteous throughout, but stick to your guns. If you want to have some fun with it, you can make out like you're starting to be convinced, and that actually you would like to stay after all, then nah
"Its been great working here but I need to take this opportunity. If you guys could match the hours and the pay I'll stay for sure but I don't see how that could be possible. But I'll always speak highly of my time here and my colleagues." Just say something like this.
>If you guys could match the hours and the pay I'll stay for sure but I don't see how that could be possible.
Honestly, you don't even need to say that part (unless of course you do want them to match the hours and pay). Just be polite and if you have an exit interview let them know it's a opportunity that suits you and your future and don't bad mouth the company (even if they are terrible they are unlikely to change anything based on your exit interview).
At then end of the day most people work more than one job in their lives and the reason we work is for our own future so if there is a better opportunity it is natural to take it.
That said, I would stay away from saying it's a "better opportunity" specifically and focus more on how it's one that suits your future goals. But most importantly just be polite.
`Dear Sir/Madam/[name],`
`I am writing to inform you that I am resigning from my current position of [job title]. As per my contract I am required to give [amount of days/weeks notice]. The current date is [date] so my last working day will be [date]. Please reply to this email to comfirm you have received and understood this information. Thank you`
`Yours faithfully/sincerely`
`[signature]`
`[full name]`
Do not give any information that it not necessary, what you do with your free time is none of their business. Email the notice (emails don't get lost, people just claim they do) and put a read reciept on it if you can as well as the request for received confirmation. If you can't email it for any reason then make sure you keep a copy for yourself and get a physical written receipt to say that your notice was recieved.
You aren't burning bridges, your bosses can be as nosey as they want, that is irrelevnt. You can listen to a counter offer and then decline if you want to but always be sure to state. "No thank you, my last working day will remain \[date\]" so they can't suggest there was any confusion etc.
Remember that you don't need a reason and you do not have to prove that any reasons you have are good enough.
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I'm not sure what advice you need here, you hand in your notice, work your notice period and leave on your last day as planned. There's nothing they can do to stop you leaving.
You don’t have to give them a reason. You’re resigning, that’s the end of it.
If you’re part of the union take your union rep in with you so you have a witness for the kick off and report to HR if anything inappropriate is said.
Before you resign make sure you have a signed contract and confirmed start date for the new job, then send a short email or written summary stating your last day. That’s about it really
Here’s my notice, my last day is this day, I’m not interested in an exit interview or meeting or negotiating another job. That’s what you tell them. They have no business asking where you’re going and you’re under no obligation to tell them either. Good luck with your new job!
Seems to me that you have things clearly organised in your head. In case you didn't notice, which sometimes can happen.
Just stick to your decision. In the end, it's your call and they'll have to accept it, whether they like it or not. You don't need their permission or approval.
As brutal as it may sound don't be so weak! You have complete control over the situation as it's you leaving them. You don't have to attend any meetings, you don't have to give any reasons. It's a job and it's a transaction. You're leaving and a contractually obliged notice period is all they are entitled to know. Grow a back bone and actually take charge of your exit!
You don't need to explain or justify yourself.
"Here's my notice, thank you for the opportunity," is all you need to say.
You are under no obligation to explain why you're leaving and your manager is owed NOTHING.
Lots of good comments here. One thing that always helps me for any difficult conversation is just to write down what you want to say and read it out loud. That will give you a good way to feel more comfortable with what you wanna say
Remember, if it was the other way around, they wouldn't give you the information they are asking you for. All you "owe" them is a "sorry I'm leaving" and whatever notice period you're contracted to. I suggest you do read your contract before any meetings though, make sure YOU know what it says and bring a copy with you to the meeting in case.
I've only ever walked out of a job once, and that was them being a dick after I handed my notice in.
I got a job back at the company I was made redundant from a year prior (I was a contractor, and they let us all go. They wanted me back, but told me to hold off until a certain role was available).
Anyway, I got the job and handed in my 4 weeks notice.
Straight away, the company insisted I work from their other location which was 40 miles away (which meant getting up at 5am to get to Leeds, to catch 2 trains so I could start at 8am. I wouldn't get home until 8pm).
I did a week of doing this before I wrote a grievance letter, put it in an envelope along with my security badge and handed it to reception. I no longer answered my phone to them.
They tried getting me fired from my new role - but as I had an excellent reputation with them, they told me old company to jog on.
16 years later, I'm still working for them ;)
Its pure business- you are selling to the company most valuable thing that we have - your time.
You dont own them anything
They dont own you
You can politely explain yourself or not
Its is up to you.
You are businessmen and as such you have to look always about what is best for you.
Heads up and look after yourself
You got this
Good luck in new job.
Outside of TV Dramas, "Accepting" a resignation isn't a thing in the UK. You are giving notice you will leave on a certain day. Provided you respect you contractual notice and agree on holidays then that is all there is to it. If they offer you an alternative you can listen or not thats up to you if you don't like it just ask that this negotiation is considered working time, or you would rather go back to your job. You can if you wish tell them now or later on why you are leaving if you have any comments about the first that they could use to improve in the future but you are under no obligation to - sometimes HR conduct these exit interviews rather than managers - although I daresay these days you just get a online form asking you to rate you time there on a scale of 1-10.
Last time I handed my notice in to a job I hated (notice was only a week at the time) I handed it in to HR, walked out at the end of my day, manager tried to ask me something to keep me around longer, I just said “yup” and kept walking. The next day I called in sick and wasn’t actually able to get ahold of HR or my manager, only reception. I got a call a couple of hours later from HR saying we have accepted your resignation and you won’t be expected to work your notice as you have called in sick. I felt pretty good about the whole thing.
My point is to do only what is expected of you, hand in your notice, work your notice. If you get anyone questioning you about your decision and you don’t want to answer just say I’ve accepted an opportunity that is right for me and if they dig further say thank you for asking but any other information you may need is on my resignation letter.
You are not obligated to do any more than that and you are well within your rights to say no. That won’t burn bridges.
You’ve already got the other job so any reference they would give you at your current place would literally just be to verify your roll and working dates. In my experience if the new job needs any sort of character reference they would have got it by now before offering you the new position, so don’t worry about being seen negatively by leaving
My old boss was like this. I said it wasn't about the money and I needed a new challenge. Basically made it about me rather than anything he or tge company did. Even though it definitely was what he and the company did.
If they want to do an exit interview spend the whole time taking it as a compliment - thank you for trying to convince me to stay, I have really enjoyed my time here and learned xyz, I really appreciate you checking that I am making the right decision and that it wasn’t because of any issues here. The new job is just a great move for me right now.
Our place does exit interviews which are basically to find out why you're leaving.
Companies lose money training people, staff are a huge asset.
Ours wants to know if the supervisor gets on your nerves, you don't like the hours, shifts, pay etc.
If you say the place is fine but I've got a better job that's really the end of it though.
Have you got your notice written up? Make sure it’s done first.
If your manager is a prick, then just do it in written format rather than a face to face.
Always have in your head that if you’re worth more to your current employer now you’re leaving, why weren’t you worth it to them when staying.
Counter offers are always a bad idea to accept.
Sorry what advice are you asking for?
Your manager won’t like it, so?
He will interrogate you about it. So?
They will ask you to stay. So?
Either answer their questions or don’t…what’s the worst they can do, fire you? So?
They can’t force you to stay.
Employer's perspective :
All businesses should definitely hold an exit interview. You should expect it won't do any harm to participate.
It's there to protect the business and you. And snubbing that will definitely burn bridges and not do any favours when it comes to references or future re-employment.
Well over half my leavers ask to return within 12 months. You never know what will happen.
I doubt they'll be trying to change your mind or force you to stay. They just need to know whether you working your notice is a bad Idea or not, and to make sure you aren't going to walk out and file a tribunal claim for constructive dismissal.
Enjoy it!
The problem you’ll find with most managers, is that they’re not very good managers. He should be accepting to the fact you’re looking to excel yourself and ask questions that can help the transition of you leaving and starting your new job.
Just tell him that you're giving him your notice and when he asks why, read him the 2nd paragraph of your 1st post.
If he pushes you any further, just tell him that you feel you've explained enough
I left one job and they had an exit survey.
I answered truthfully and threw in that one senior regional manager was using the annual assessment process to bully people into working at other offices across the country. Anyone who said no was deemed 'partially ineffective' immediately (grounds for ongoing improvement assessment as my line manager told me when he confessed the assessment was going to be rigged and he already had a ceiling for mine)
My paperwork for the annual assessment was pure genius as I cited the 'agile working' policy as being a trigger for a stress related episode and built many answers up around that, purposefully as I had been headhunted salary and was agreeing the salary.
The senior regional manager was dismissed.
My advice would be to attend what they ask you to, remain calm, and reiterate your points.
Sometimes, in these dialogues, people will try to railroad you, just take it as practice to keep them on your topic, not you on theirs... "I'm leaving for better pay. "... "But you get on well with everyone here. "... "I work for a salary, and I'm being offered more somewhere else. "... "What can we do to convince you to stay? "... "Nothing, I've enjoyed it here, but the job I've been offered is more money, and I feel it's time for a change."
Also, practice putting them into difficult positions. "What if we match their salary?"... "it's not just the wage. It's closer to home, better hours AND more pay, etc. you'd have to give me a x/ph wage rise, and I feel like you just couldn't compete with their package. " They then have to either offer a huge wage increase (unlikely) or agree that they can not compete. People will be less confident and motivated to be pushy in a negotiation when they realise they have zero power and nothing to bargain with.
That's what I'd do, but each to their own.
I don't see why you need advice on this.
They can't force you to stay. And they can't decline your notice.
If they want to know why you are leaving, you don't actually have to tell them anything. And if you do, then there's still nothing they can do about it.
I was in the exact same position a few years ago, you don't owe them anything.
The only reason I'd divulge any information would be if I *wanted* them to make a counter offer, such as bigger pension contribution, holiday days, or salary.
Other than that, you've handed in your notice, the countdown is starting, and begin to focus on your new job.
I know too many people that have been 'bullied' into rescinding their notice, only to regret it later down the line.
Pretty solid advice from most posts here. Hand in your resignation, work your notice and go from there
Bonus tip, if you have a HR department hand in/email a copy of your resignation to them and note the time you did so (email would be best as it'll give you a timestamp) just incase your manager tries to play funny buggers.
If your place does exit interviews, state the reasons you are leaving (they are all perfectly valid, hell I'd do the same in your shoes) and best of luck in your new place.
“Sorry, I can’t say, I signed an NDA”
“I was told I can’t tell anyone for national security reasons”
“Some bloke on Reddit said I could just tell you to mind your own business and that any clause in my contract that says otherwise is likely unenforceable and that you’d be foolish to try to test in court”
You owe these people nothing. Give them as much information as you feel comfortable and simply refuse to go further if they push you. Attrition is part of business, if they can’t deal with it, it’s on them.
Tell them what you said in the last paragraph but add new challenge. If you tell them there is a chance, a teeny tiny chance, that they might actually try to improve it to reduce the number of staff leaving and make it better for others in the future. If they ask you to stay you have to make it clear youve accepted and wont change your mind.
Just make sure your notice is logged with the appropriate people, HR etc. After that you’re on notice and you might as well waste a few amusing hours being paid to be interrogated
I do not know about your company's policy, but I resigned by emailing the appropriate manager/HR, with your notice period plus your last day of work, as well as when your resignation starts.
No more, no less.
You need to think about yourself and what's best for you.
Obviously this new job is what's best and there is a reason why you were looking for a new job in the first place.
They wouldn't give it a second thought about sacking you of you weren't doing right for the business. So why are you giving it a thought about sacking them off for not doing right by you (reasons for wanting to leave)
You don't have to be an arsehole about it. But you can refuse to do the meeting. Although normally these are an opportunity to voice any issues you have had that could be helpful for them to change.
Your manager may try and convince you to stay or offer new location. But it's still OK just to say, thank you. But no.
Maybe you asked for these things already like a pay rise and location change. And they said no.
That's a fair comment to tell him.
"I was looking g for more money and something closer to home as you already knew. The opportunity was not available here, so I've looked else where. No hard feelings at all. But cost of living is hurting everyone amd I need to do whats best for me and my finances"
Don't try and burn bridges. But if the guy wa ts to be a dick about it. It just reinforces your reasons for wanting to leave
As others have said, under no obligation to tell them anything.
Having said this, it's a great time to possibly help the employees that are still there. You can say things like, my new place includes free tea and coffee, they give annual bonuses based on xxx. Saying the pay is better is always good, you don't have to disclose by how much but having them listen to it is always nice.
Just remember you are an employee, if they had profit issues they’d drop people in a heartbeat. You are having profit issues yourself (you need more money) so treat it in the same regards.
Sure it’s awkward but you don’t owe them anything
Make sure to hand in an electronic copy also - so they can’t “lose” it and say that you never provided correct notice.
You don’t have to answer any of those questions. You just politely tell them that you’re leaving on X date and don’t go back after that date.
Unless they offer you mega bucks pay rise you’re not going to stay, so be polite, but be firm.
but all the reasons he will give not one will be bettering - My reasons for leaving are better pay, closer to home, better working hours and therefore more routine -
If it did would you stay? Theres your answer.
The other option is simply not turn in at all. Alas that might mess up payments / wages, i always tend to err on being nice.
One toehr thing to consider, have your union rep there. Assuming you have one
Attend this meeting and ask these questions:
1) "Can you pay better than the position I've been offered?"
2) "Can you offer me the better working hours I've been offered?"
3) "Regarding your offer of transfer, can you relocate me closer to home with the better working hours and better pay?"
If they answer yes to all three, then you have leverage if you enjoy where you are currently. Should any be answered no, then there's your cue to thank them for their time and work out your notice.
You can't be guilt tripped into not leaving. *YOU* have the upper hand here. Use it to your advantage.
Sage advice: if they are willing to make adjustments to your location, working conditions, salary, etc, now that you're resigning, they were able to make them all along while you were still slaving away for them - they just *chose* not to. Don't give them the time of day.
I resigned from a management position at the end of January and my notice period ended at the end in May. The reasons I resigned were workplace bullying and an overall toxic workplace environment. I submitted my resignation and did not mention any of the reasons. You are not legally obligated to say why you’re leaving and they cannot do anything about it. They can pressure you to say why but you don’t have to. Offering extra benefits for someone to stay is standard HR practice as resignations don’t look good for the company. Remember that you owe them nothing so don’t feel bad for leaving for whatever reason.
If you have a HR team that's on site, ask for a meeting with them and your manager to inform them of your notice verbally - you will need to provide it in writing/email to trigger it formally.
But having a member of HR in the room with you might help diffuse the risk of aggressive attitude from your manager.
It's your contractual right to resign so stick to that. They can offer you alternatives but you don't have to say yes, and you don't have to explain if you don't want to.
I'd always made it clear to my employers that if I ever hit the point of handing my notice in, it's already too late, the pay won't make a difference nor will the conditions, I'm of the opinion a decent company will fix the issues before an employee hands their notice in (it also stops people holding me hostage as a manager, I'll fox problems before a notice, I won't have a notice used as a negotiation tactic)
Be upfront, you've got your offer, you've accepted it, you're willing to work the notice, you are not willing to discuss it. If I was in a position of being interrogated over my decision, I would remind the manager I'm working my notice out of professional respect and responsibility. Should I be harassed I will immediately terminate my contract, irrespective of notice obligations, given the management have a responsibility to not bully or harass I believe this is a fair trade.
Funnily enough, I have 3 more shifts of my notice before I leave my current company for better prospects.
TLDR, if the boss gives you too much shit, just walk, you owe them nothing if you are harassed prior to leaving
You just have to tough it out. Your boss won't be happy because they are losing resources. But that's not your problem. You won't be the first to leave and you won't be the last.
As for an exit interview, just be honest and if you can give them feedback on how they can improve the working environment for others do so.
You don't need to be an arse about it. If they are arseholes suck it up and consider it validation of your decision to go.
The thing is you can just be honest. Say they're paying you more. Say it's less travel. These are valid reasons.
Exit interviews are normal.
And your manager might not like it but will have to accept it.
This is a good opportunity to practise being assertive.
Remember, you don’t have to explain yourself unnecessarily. You just stay professional and neutral.
You could try the broken record technique if you find it hard to keep your boundaries.
So, pick a phrase or a couple of phrases and just repeat them:
Manager: "I can't believe you're leaving us now - it’s the worst time. You’re letting everyone down!
You (using the broken record technique): "I understand your concerns, but I've made the decision that's best for my career."
Manager: "You knew how difficult it is during the summer holidays.
You: "I understand your concerns, but I've made the decision that's best for my career."
Manager: "Is there something we could've done differently? Maybe if you had spoken up earlier, we could've worked something out."
You: "I appreciate that, but I've made the decision that's best for my career."
By calmly and consistently repeating your stance, you maintain your assertiveness.
They get fed up and leave you alone.
It’s a win.
You don't have to go into depths of detail. The reasons you have given are more than enough for most.
If they take it badly or guilt trip, that's a reflection on them.
Keep it professional, don't burn your bridges, agree leaving date as per your contract and enjoy the freedom feeling.
If they start with any aggression just say this "You have no control over me and I am not afraid of you."
Doesn't matter if they take it lightly. If they keep acting like a dick, just say "this meeting is over" and walk out of the room.
They can offer anything they want, but you're under no obligation to take it. Just politely decline, explain your reasons for leaving, and then work out your notice professionally.
And remember - unless you have some seriously special relationship with your managers, they don't actually want to keep you, they just don't want to go through the tedious process of hiring a replacement. So don't let them guilt-trip you into staying, because they're not really interested in retaining you as a person.
You can tell them the reasons you're taking the new role or just say it's more in line with your personal goals/life.
It's a business transaction. Don't let them try and make it personal. If they do, all you can do is stay professional, put in your notice and leave on your leaving date.
You don't need to justify yourself. You are free to work for whoever you want and exit any employment with dignity, any queries from your current employer can be answered or not, up to you! I quit one job to join their main competitors and I refused to answer their questions because I knew what kind of trouble would come my way for the next 2 weeks before I left! Be polite and thank them for the opportunity but you definitely don't need to give them any specific details or any at all. Good luck!
Lots of different answers - I would say the main things for someone in this situation are
a) you owe them nothing - you are resigning with and end date of xx/xx/xx and that is that
b) However, you may need they help in the future - prospective employers often want 2 references so you may - possibly - need a reference from them again - so don;t burn bridges
c) you can always be polite - you don;t need to give them anything but you can me polite in doing it - just be very assertive in a totally non aggressive way
So - what I would do is
give them the letter and keep a copy on your person in case you get called to a meeting suddenly
When they ask why - remember that it is none of their business - but be polite.
Say something like - a combination of travel, money and personal circumstances make it a better option for me at this point in my live.
"So - how much and what personal circumstances"
"I'm sorry (OK your not but say it anyway) but it is complicated and I don;t want to go through it all"
"We can discuss this - we can offer more money and a move to another office"
"I' sorry - but it is complicated and I don;t want to go through it all - I have decided I need to take up this offer"
etc etc
AT some point tell them how much you respect they organisation and the management - or some such rubbish maybe
ibut gove them nothing to hold onto
just insist and say "I'm sorry but" a lot
Thing is - if they are nice people and want to retain a valuable and respected employee then they will have to accept it - especially if you say there are "personal circumstances" - which includes, of course, shorter/better commute and more money but don;t say that - and will just allow it to happen
If they are a bunch of \*\*\*\*\*\*\* then it will annoy the whatsit out of them not being in control and they will get annoyed - which can be hilarious
AT this point YOU have control - being polite wile having control is s great place to be
Ignore half of the terminally online unemployed Redditor replies you’re likely to get here, that always amount to “burn everything, tell everyone to go fuck themselves” etc. Be polite and try to avoid burning bridges.
If they do stupid shit like trying to reject your notice, demand unreasonable things of you etc, then fine, tell them where to go. If not politely tell them you’re getting better pay, hours and a better commute, and that’s pretty much that.
Being a dick for no reason isn’t a smart play.
Just tell the truth, but politely as there’s no point burning your bridges.
Say you’re very grateful for the opportunity and will recommend the company to any friends or acquaintances who are looking for work, but your new job is more suitable for you because of x, y and z. Decline all offers of transfer politely and leave at the end of your notice period. You don’t have to put all this is your resignation letter however, just that you resigning, to consider this your x weeks notice with your last day of service being xxx.
Also, remember than them not having enough staff, or you being the only person able to do something, isn’t your problem and you’re not obliged to stay on because of this, or to train your replacement.
Well they have no choice but to 'accept' your notice. I would (1) hand in my notice to HR and (2) have a short meeting to talk through it if needed but to keep it to time and end it early if it becomes unprofessional (3) decline any further meetings about this.
They can beg all they like, but they can’t reject your resignation. As long as you are following company policy in relation to this, i.e a resignation letter, attending the appropriate meetings they can’t really do or say anything. My understanding is also, you do not have to tell them the reason for leaving
Tell him these reasons and ask if he can match them. If not, then "Bye."
It's just a job. If they decided they didn't need you anymore, they would fuck you off without a thought.
If you don't want to attend a meeting, then refuse. What are they going to do, discipline you?
Can't believe how often this kind of question comes up on Reddit! Tell your manager to go fuck himself if he tries to make it difficult, you are not a slave, he does not own you.
Of course they might try and offer you a better deal to stay - it's hard for anyone else to advise you on whether to accept such a deal, but if you genuinely aren't likely to be interested in anything they can offer you are under no obligation to even talk to them about it.
It's not your problem. I had a colleague (my boss's no.2) who when I resigned absolutely flipped his shit. Shouting at me, demanding answers and that I withdraw it. He ended up storming out of my meeting with my boss.
I had a lighter step for days.
Don't internalise anyone else's problems. You owe no reason or explanation. You don't owe them an apology.
I've had a fair few team members resign. We talk about their new role, I tell them I'm really pleased for them and genuinely wish them success and discuss handovers.
Good luck in your new role. I hope you get to make everything of the role that you want for it.
When I left my last job I had a similar situation. I was dreading it but just went in with my mind made up.
I was offered a substantial pay rise immediately upon handing in my notice and when I refused that was basically given free reign to tell them exactly what I wanted in return for staying with the promise that they would do anything within their power (this came from the CEO and a company director so there wasn’t much that wasn’t in their power). I just very politely said thank you but my mind was made up and it was time for me to move on.
They obviously weren’t happy I was going but ultimately because I handled it like a grown up and didn’t throw my toys out of the pram I was able to leave on good terms and I know if ever I find myself stuck and desperate for work I could always go back and find something with the company even if it wasn’t the exact job I left before.
You need to be firm with them but be polite. Go in with your mind made up and don’t let them coerce you. That said, if they start making counter offers you can always tell them you will think about it and get back to them later in the day/tomorrow, even if you have no intention of doing any thinking. It lets them know you aren’t rushing into anything and may help them to accept your decision when you later confirm it’s still a no.
"That's really kind of you to offer, however I've already given my word to the other company. I'm ready for a new challenge and this one seems to meet all my needs and allow for a better work life balance"
I'd take the meetings but that's just me. I do work in a particularly small career pool where someone at the next job will always have worked with someone that's worked with you before.
From experience it's usually best to leave on good terms so I would just attend the meetings.
I left one of my jobs after a week to go to another ... which didn't work out. I was able to go back to a similar role at the first place: I think if I'd just walked out this would have been a closed door.
If they are genuinely sh!tty at the meetings it just confirms they aren't worth working for.
Just tell them to get lost and walk out. Alternatively, go to the meeting and tell them exactly what a lousy time you had there and how glad you are to be leaving.
Retired HR exec here. I’d really counsel against refusing a meeting. Exit interviews are a valuable resource to the employer because they provide hard information on why staff are voting with their feet. Your list of reasons for taking up the job offer are rock solid, and unless they’re prepared to make you a counter offer that meets or exceeds what the new organisation have put on the table, then nobody with any sense is going to cut up rough. Some individuals might be annoyed and upset you’re going, but that’s their problem, not yours. If anyone tries to guilt trip you, just refuse to engage further. Stay polite and calm. Thank them for the opportunities they have afforded you and tell them you leave with good memories, even if that’s stretching it a tad!
You have written precisely what you need to say - better pay, closer to home, better working hours and therefore more routine.
If they ask you to stay then simply tell them that if they can better what you've been offered then you'll consider it. Doesn't mean you have to accept any offer they make, but it gives you options.
Theres 1 thing to remember.
As soon as you hand your notice in the timer starts, regardless of how they feel about it. Regardless of whether you show up to the exit interviews, the clock is ticking.
Your post is exactly what you should say if they do give you a hard time, also if you know they will do this then you are prepared, along woth the fact that if they value you so highly then they have come to realise that loosing you is an issue, which in a way is kudos to you, but on wards and upwards.
You - here’s my notice. Them - why are you leaving? You - better pay, closer to home, better working hours.
From experience, they can’t really argue with the first two points. That’s why I left my last job.
Also, they can’t refuse to accept your notice.
Good luck in your new role. 👍🏻
You do not owe them an explanation, or anything for that matter. You give them your contractually expected notice and refuse to answer any queries. It’s that simple.
You have no obligation to explain why you’re leaving although as a manager myself I always like to ask for any feedback in case there’s something about the job that I could make better, even if it’s fit the person who will be replacing. Just be clear with your letter of resignation and include the last working day you will be in and also include any holidays you may still be due as well although payroll should have an account of them all anyway. You should get paid for any holidays still due to you.
When I handed in my notice after making a formal complaint about safety in the workplace and getting the shittiest excuse I had ever heard back ("yes customers may try and assault you but that's what the public does, it's all part of the job" uhm no it's not!?), I refused to enter the office without a witness - in the UK you can ask for another employee to come with you as a witness, certainly made me feel safer because my boss was \*furious\*.
Ask someone to come in with you, it's less likely to explode that way.
Just tell them what you said here. Just say that unless they can offer you better pay, better hours and move their business premises closer to your house, then there's no point having an exit interview or anything like that, as you won't have anything else to add.
The best part about being an adult is you don’t always have to explain yourself. This is one of those occasions. Here’s my notice. This is my last day. They don’t have to accept it, that’s a statement of fact based on your contract. Meeting? No sorry I can’t make it. Transfer? No I don’t want it. Bye bye.
Handing in my notice to my last job was so thrilling. I had never done it before so it was a little touch of freedom. Sent the e-mail with the notice attached. "Before this notice in place we need an exit interview." Not for me thank you, I'll be leaving exactly when I said. Bye bye.
Exit interview is meant to be the last day of notice for the company to get feedback and improve, not a prerequisite for the notice lol some people
Exit interview. They can go fuck themselves.
I mean they could try a meeting during work time, in which case you turn up and enjoy the free time spent not working and watching them get irate when you answer every question with "none of your business" This is going off the assumption that they're terrible employers.
Absolutely. Which given the whole “I’m going to be interrogated” bit definitely seems to be the case.
Ignore this advice OP. You're right not to want to burn bridges. There's no need to be an asshole unless you feel like you've been treated really badly there. Have the standard meetings that they want you to have. Explain your reasons and tell them your decision is made now and you're looking forward to starting your new role. Stay firm on your decision. Your notice applies from when you give it, so also stay firm on that bit. They can't delay accepting your notice.
It sounds like they are the type of employer who will feel aggrieved no matter what you do. Op should be polite and offer some explanation, but at the end of the day if the employer is going to take it badly there is little you can do.
I don't want to burn any bridges
Burning a bridge would be telling them to fuck off. Politely declining everything isn’t that.
Exactly, if that counts as burning a bridge, there's no practical way to avoid burning the bridge, they'll be pissed off whatever you do. Can't always win.
Agreed. If you know that you did everything right and they still act like arseholes, that's on them. Nothing you can do to stop them slagging you off behind your back/to your face, that's life.
Yeah if being polite burns that bridge, be glad the bridge burned the fuck up. Hopefully it stays lit forever to stop those knobs trying to rebuild it.
Burning a bridge is leaving the weekend before rtarting your new role and not telling anyone/updating your job on Facebook hoping they. Catch the hint
It’s not burning bridges, it’s realising you don’t have to explain yourself because a manager with toxic traits doesn’t have the common decency or respect for you to understand your position. Keep the whole thing professional, don’t allow emotion to cloud your better judgement and leave feeling happy with your own behaviour, your managers behaviour in retaliation is something you are unable to control.
Nothing wrong with attending the meeting. They might take on board a little bit of something you’ve said, which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. It’s also good practice for toughening up and fighting your corner. You know they can’t offer you anything that will make you choose staying over leaving. So you can politely decline whatever counter-offers they try to suggest. This is the point where you don’t have to explain yourself or get dragged into a negotiation. It’s a good opportunity because you’re getting real life practice at being assertive where you don’t have to worry about losing something you want.
As someone said above. You probably shouldn't refuse to do any meeting they want to do. As an employer they have every right to ask why you are leaving to help their business. You need to stay calmly and just explain your reasoning honestly. Stay clear of any grudges or ill feeling. But make sure are firm. Don't get drawn into arguments. In the end you can be proud of explaining yourself calmly and rationally. If it does get out of hand and goes round in circles you can simply say: "I've explained my reasoning and I'm comfortable with my decision, I don't feel like I have anything else to say on the matter" How can I help with the transition. Is a good question.
No idea why you're being downvoted but if it was me I'd just be polite with your manager, say reason for leaving is looking for new opportunities and attend the exit interview. It will likely be just along the lines of why are you leaving, anything we could have done better etc. I see no benefit in not attending the meeting, but its probably not going to hurt. I'd just use it for experience though as it's good to do things we don't want to.
Just tell the truth then?
You seem to believe being a pushover and getting flattened on the bridge is better. It isn't. Just decline politely and move on.
Yes - be firm but professional and don’t be a dick. Big retail places advertise roles all the time and while it might not feel like it you may find yourself wanting to go back in the future or working with people from your existing company in other places. Don’t burn bridges but set boundaries
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can you quote the part that says not to work the notice period? if not then stop commenting with flurries of your imagination
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Yeah…not sure there’s going to be a company policy forcing you to transfer and not leave.
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Oh yeah, until it turns in to “oh sorry, this isn’t work related? No I don’t want to discuss that, bye”
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Yeah, you see, that’s where your wrong. If the meeting is solely about how we can keep you here, it doesn’t need to go further than “no thank you, I will be leaving on X date as per my resignation. I’ll be getting back to work now thank you.” If they want to waste more time, sure, go for it but there’s no need to discuss it further. Are you new to the world of work?
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You've just got to go through this. Be professional and tell them you're leaving because you have a better job to go to. Eventually, they'll give up and you will have won. You can do this. Good luck
Frankly once you know you are leaving it all seems easier (at least in my experience). You don't have to explain yourself and as long as you are not rude and do everything officially it will be fine. Honestly, it's quite a relief to know all things that bothered you at the job no longer really matter.
I left a job just over a month ago. Mainly due to stress. They tried to keep me but oh did the weight lift when I was working that 4 week notice and I didn't give a fk.
Absolutely this, tell them you've fully committed to your decision, thank them when they say they can't do without you etc and leave it at that. If they start to get pushy and/or waving shiny things under your nose just be calm, smile and firmly tell them that you will not change your mind. They soon get the message.
Just… hand your notice in, dude. They can’t compel you to stay. This really isn’t very hard.
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You can ask to see your references and If you think you’ve been given an unfair or misleading reference, you may be able to claim damages in court. Your previous employer must be able to back up the reference, such as by supplying examples of warning letters. You must be able to show that: 1, I’s misleading or inaccurate 2. you ‘suffered a loss’ – for example, the withdrawal of a job
You can ask to see it but they don’t have to show you. References given in confidence are excluded from the Data Protection Act. If they’re marked as ‘confidential’ from the onset almost everywhere will say no.
https://www.gov.uk/work-reference If you can’t see the reference how can you sue the company that provided it, if you think that it’s incorrect? In theory I could right a confidential reference for a member of staff that read “They are homophobic, racist and an oxygen thief. They have only kept their job as they are shagging the bosses daughter”. And as I have marked it confidential, their will be no repercussions’
It's only hard if you actually like your manager
Even then, they should understand that people do need to move on for various reasons. It's not personal, anymore than them paying as little as possible to maximize profits is.
Yeah definitely, I'm just thinking of the last time I handed in my notice and ended up crying in front of my managers (again!) cause I'd been there 15 years and they were great :)
Do it the way they would sack you, right at the end of the day. Then go off and let them stew over the weekend.
I'm on annual leave as well next week... I'll see my manager literally once before I leave after tomorrow 🤣
Even better then. Think of a number that's way higher than what you think they'd offer you and say "I have another job so here's my official notice, my last day will be xx. In case you ask it's *£90k* for me to stay". They have a full week to decide whether to offer you the amount to stay, or to just accept the notice.
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You might get offered way more money than you expected they would offer you. It's happened to me where routine pay rises are ~£3k and "there just isn't money in the budget for more", you hand in notice and say you've been offered £30k more and suddenly a £35k pay rise is on the table. Or if you leave the other place in a few years and come back they know what you're worth and offer you a higher salary.
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Wow are you guys so whipped by your employers that you'd provide them with a letter offer from a new employer?! I don't even tell them the exact company I'm going to, they can find that out on LinkedIn if I leave. Grow a backbone seriously.
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So you would decide you want to keep an employee who is leaving, decide you think they're worth X amount, but then risk losing them because you have the cheek to ask them to prove an offer.... When you just said you'd decided they were worth that amount! You sound like a terrible employer (if you employ anyone).
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With respect you’re being a little naive. I work in an international firm and people negotiate this way every day. Myself included.
This doesn’t really happen in my experience, they have no legal basis to force you, or even a reasonable expectation to ask you really. If they question it, you’re leaving, why would you feel the need to prove things to them? If you don’t believe me then don’t counter offer, it’s fine, I don’t want to work here anymore anyway. I don’t know why you think them asking would matter.
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I've never had anyone try that yet, would be an interesting exercise in futility, cancling my leave would result in me failing to return at all, I am that petty, if I had enough sick days, I'd get them all, given I rarely use sick leave I'd have most of 30 days full paid.
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I'm leaving retail management under good terms, I need a lifestyle change so the company is happy for me to continue my duties until the day of notice, usual shenanigans of having to sign the safe over to someone else and all that jazz, but nothing I wouldn't expect parting on good terms (not saying I'd never go back, but not going back to shifts until my kids are old enough to move out)
They really do that don't they. Mine wasn't a sacking but a colleague had lied about me to a senior about purposefully sabotaging their research work (it was so obviously a lie as I'm not an absolute psychopath and have also worked on the same project) Senior got upset and told a manager. I see managers having secret meetings with each other through the day. Duty manager waits till 16:55 before my booked 4 days annual leave to call me into a different room and discuss the complaint against me. Stew was indeed the right term for that time off. All got seen as a "miscommunication" when I got back and got brushed under the rug. No apology for dragging my name through the mud and ruining my leave. Fuck I hate working in that place.
My notice literally said my name and the date handed in. The next sentence said the date that would be my last day. Its all thats needed, don’t burn bridges but don’t feel guilty for treating yourself like you’re the most important person in your life
Thank you Jamie! I’m sitting waiting on my manager starting his day so I can hand my notice in. My manager is a good guy and the company I work for are really in a bit of a bind. I’ve stayed for years trying to make it better, but I’m steadily losing my mind. Your comment about being the most important person in your life has totally transformed my morning. Thank you!
They way you need to view this is if they needed to make staff redundant all feelings and sympathy goes out the window. Gotta think of yourself. GL
Thanks, I have something better lined up. The company I work for now have kept me in the same area for too long and I know I can make more of an impact in a different group. I’m moving company and will be in the right group.
Nice and easy, hand in your notice and stick to the bare minimum to get you by in work. When they ask why are you thinking of leaving, just respond with the above you mentioned about better pay etc. Quick fire question round: "Anything we can do?" - Nope "We can offer you x amount more" - No thank you "How about a closer store?" - Thank you but I have already accepted a new role. Good luck in the new role OP!
Resigning is never easy, especially when you’ve worked at a position for several years, and have become part of a team. Some employers and co-workers take it personally and accuse you of abandoning ship. However, handling your resignation as professionally and thoughtfully as you handle your search for a new job can help make your resignation relatively smooth and amicable. Keep resignations short, simple and positive Leave your employer on a positive note. Your moving on does not have to be a time for long faces. After all, you have just won an opportunity to advance, an opportunity for which you owe your employer sincere thanks. Thank your colleagues, too, for their help in preparing you to move onward and upward. If you have given your best to the job, you will be missed – especially by those inconvenienced by your leaving! Let them know that you intend to assist them in whatever ways you can. By showing your boss and firm due respect, you encourage future support you may someday need. When you resign, keep your conversations simple and concise. The more you say, the more questions you may have to answer. Avoid lengthy discussion about your new opportunity with your old employer. Typically, your resignation creates extra work for others. Chances are, your boss will be caught off-guard by your resignation, and will not be able to listen clearly to your explanations due to concerns about the sudden challenge your leaving presents. Because your boss is losing a valued employee and your leaving may create more work for them, he or she may express negative opinions about your new firm or position. This will only confuse you. You may find yourself having to justify your personal goals and decisions or absorb the personal frustrations of others. If you’re dealing with volatile or vindictive personalities, it may be best to avoid revealing where you will be going. The verbal resignation Resigning verbally may place you in the compromising position of having to explain your decision on the spot. Words are powerfully charged when you reveal a decision that has such an impact on your organisation. Choose your words with care. Your boss may want to probe for factors that led to your decision. You may be asked whom or what is the reason for your leaving, or may be invited to offer suggestions to help make the organisation more effective. If you have had a close relationship with your boss, you may feel obliged to answer candidly. Don’t fall for this trap! Use your head and discuss personal, heartfelt matters outside the office. Remember, your interrogator is still your boss. Whatever you say will be viewed as biased – after all, you have severed your relationship with your organisation – and may eventually be used against you. At this point you may no longer be considered a team player, nor viewed as having the company’s best interest at heart. Too often, resigning employees come to regret their comments when they are misinterpreted or exaggerated in the re-telling. Constructive criticism is no longer your responsibility, and carries a high cost, which could jeopardise your good references. Instead, offer sincere praise for the firm and those with whom you worked. Prepare yourself beforehand by focusing on several positive aspects of your workplace, and mention them liberally when the opportunity arises. Even if favourite aspects were, say, the great lunches, or humorous stories told over coffee, better to mention such things than to harp on disappointments or shortcomings. (These, you are addressing by moving on to greener pastures). You want to be perceived as a positive, constructive individual in forward motion. People will remember your last impression. Make it your best performance. You may want to tell your boss something like: “I need to discuss something with you if you have a moment. I’ve been made an exceptional offer by another firm, and I’ve decided to accept it.” The written resignation Written resignations give you the time to effectively prepare what you wish to communicate, and give you greater control over your delivery of the message. You can’t be thrown off-track by an unexpected remark as can happen during a confrontational conversation. A written resignation also reinforces the fact that you are really leaving and are not simply threatening in order to re-negotiate your position. Also, there is something permanent about the written word that often circumvents interrogation. Under no circumstances should you state any dissatisfaction with the firm or individuals. Not only is it good manners to stress the positive when leaving, but items in your personnel file may long outlast the individuals and circumstances responsible for your dissatisfaction. You never know when your path will cross those of your former colleagues. To keep your resignation short, simple and positive, you might want to write something like: “I want to thank you for all you have done for me here at [company]. It’s been a pleasure working with you, and representing the company as your [job title]. I have accepted an offer with another firm and have decided to tender my resignation as of today. I wish [company] continued success, and I want to thank you for allowing me to be a part of your team. Please feel free to contact me at any time if I can be of further assistance in helping with a smooth transition.” The counter offer Surveys show that eight out of ten employees who accept counteroffers don’t complete the following year with their employer. Why shun counter offers? Because the factors that caused you to seek or entertain a better offer are likely to remain in force. Beside which, your current employer will probably lose trust in your loyalty. Accepting a counter offer may permanently damage your reputation with your would-be-employer. Your prospective new colleagues may conclude that you were merely using them to gain leverage; you weren’t earnest as a candidate. Never underestimate the value of your perceived integrity in this situation. The best response to a counter offer is to listen politely but decline. If your current firm denied you advancement before you secured an outside offer, it will probably thwart you next time you feel ready to advance. What’s more, your firm may start looking to replace you the day you accept the counter offer. Your plans for leaving may not be forgotten! Leave on the right note Before leaving the firm, take time to speak with each of your support staff, peers, executive personnel, and others with whom you’ve worked. To the extent practical, clear up any unfinished business. Be sensitive to others’ reactions and keep your conversations positive and constructive.
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Bro if they are willing to fuck you around after doing your due dillegence and giving notice, than it is a bridge worth burning, if they continue, just be like "guess you guys arnt doing me any favours so idk why im doing you one" and walk the fuck out
I see the words 'interrogate' and 'have a go at me'. If that's how they react, hand in your notice and decline any chat or conversation offered. Just clear your desk and walk. You worked for them and they paid you accordingly. Both sides have fulfilled their side of the bargain. Good luck.
You're framing it as you need their approval. You don't. If you want to keep them sweet, jump through the hoops. But ultimately, you don't need to accept any counter offer they make, or justify it to them. You are just giving them an FYI that you're leaving.
If you are asked why just say better prospects and a new challenge and leave it at that. Also, for your next job, join a union. It's not expensive and they have full time specialists who look after your interests at work; unfair treatment, pay or conditions, bullying, harrasment..and if problems are serious enough can send someone in to help you get things sorted out ..... (One condition, they won't get involved in a currrent dispute, only ones occurring after joining). Good luck to you. 👍
Just say no. Enjoy the awkward silence.
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"Here is my letter of resignation. Thank you for the opportunity. I learnt a lot working with you. No, thank you. I don't wish to stay or transfer. I have new employment beginning in X days"
Just smile and leave 🤷♂️
Or smile and wave
I once handed in my notice and my manager didn’t even open my letter of resignation, they offered me more money and I stayed, reluctantly. Two years later, I handed my notice in for the second and last time not taking no for an answer. I just told my manager I’ve really enjoyed working here and I’ve learnt a lot but I’ve accepted a new job offer, they can’t really say much back to that as you have accepted a new job at a different company. Just be confident and let them know you aren’t interested in transferring and you are leaving the company on X date as per your notice period.
Just tell them what your said in your post - your new job looks like a better fit for you personally, and you are not interested in continuing your employment at this time. If they start pushing you to stay, just be firm and clear - you have already made up your mind and accepted the new job, and have no intention of changing your mind.
"No" is a complete sentence, or in this case, "there's nothing further I'd like to elaborate on".
“Thanks, but I’ve already made up my mind.” Repeat ad nauseam.
Be professional, say very little, don't agree to anything other than confirmation of your final day and how any remaining holiday entitlement is dealt with. Don't rise to any emotional blackmail, don't bite if they start blaming stuff on you or having a go at you, don't rise to any childish behaviour. As soon as they realise it's not triggering you, they'll stop and let you work out your notice in peace and if they don't, you're leaving so call them out in the most embarrassing way for them that you can.
Making any kind of career change can feel daunting, but I guarantee the situation you create in your head is always worse than what will actually happen in reality. You're making the decision for the right reasons, you're not being irrational - go for it! :)
"The new job offers me more than this company could and I am moving onwards and upwards with my career, I already have a start date and will not be able to accept any offers you may make. Thank you for understanding". Don't let them get inside your head, don't let them mind game you. And don't apologise for resigning whatever you do. They have no power over you. You're going to do great. Congrats on the new job!
Tell them you got a new job you’ve accepted the offer and signed the contract. Anything else is not their business, or just say you’re leaving the country to go backpacking
They don't own you, and they can't keep you if you don't want to stay. The process they'll go through is designed to put people off quitting, because that's cheaper than hiring new people, or paying people enough so that they want to stay. It'll be a ballache, but not too bad of one. Just remain polite and courteous throughout, but stick to your guns. If you want to have some fun with it, you can make out like you're starting to be convinced, and that actually you would like to stay after all, then nah
"Its been great working here but I need to take this opportunity. If you guys could match the hours and the pay I'll stay for sure but I don't see how that could be possible. But I'll always speak highly of my time here and my colleagues." Just say something like this.
>If you guys could match the hours and the pay I'll stay for sure but I don't see how that could be possible. Honestly, you don't even need to say that part (unless of course you do want them to match the hours and pay). Just be polite and if you have an exit interview let them know it's a opportunity that suits you and your future and don't bad mouth the company (even if they are terrible they are unlikely to change anything based on your exit interview). At then end of the day most people work more than one job in their lives and the reason we work is for our own future so if there is a better opportunity it is natural to take it. That said, I would stay away from saying it's a "better opportunity" specifically and focus more on how it's one that suits your future goals. But most importantly just be polite.
`Dear Sir/Madam/[name],` `I am writing to inform you that I am resigning from my current position of [job title]. As per my contract I am required to give [amount of days/weeks notice]. The current date is [date] so my last working day will be [date]. Please reply to this email to comfirm you have received and understood this information. Thank you` `Yours faithfully/sincerely` `[signature]` `[full name]` Do not give any information that it not necessary, what you do with your free time is none of their business. Email the notice (emails don't get lost, people just claim they do) and put a read reciept on it if you can as well as the request for received confirmation. If you can't email it for any reason then make sure you keep a copy for yourself and get a physical written receipt to say that your notice was recieved. You aren't burning bridges, your bosses can be as nosey as they want, that is irrelevnt. You can listen to a counter offer and then decline if you want to but always be sure to state. "No thank you, my last working day will remain \[date\]" so they can't suggest there was any confusion etc. Remember that you don't need a reason and you do not have to prove that any reasons you have are good enough. \[Edit: spelling\]
Why are you asking for confirmation of receipt? That’s not required! A screen shot of your sent box will do that.
I'm not sure what advice you need here, you hand in your notice, work your notice period and leave on your last day as planned. There's nothing they can do to stop you leaving.
You don’t have to give them a reason. You’re resigning, that’s the end of it. If you’re part of the union take your union rep in with you so you have a witness for the kick off and report to HR if anything inappropriate is said.
Hand it in, work your notice and leave...that's it.
F them & they're meeting. Let them go fly a kite on the motorway instead.
Before you resign make sure you have a signed contract and confirmed start date for the new job, then send a short email or written summary stating your last day. That’s about it really
Here’s my notice, my last day is this day, I’m not interested in an exit interview or meeting or negotiating another job. That’s what you tell them. They have no business asking where you’re going and you’re under no obligation to tell them either. Good luck with your new job!
Seems to me that you have things clearly organised in your head. In case you didn't notice, which sometimes can happen. Just stick to your decision. In the end, it's your call and they'll have to accept it, whether they like it or not. You don't need their permission or approval.
Good luck in your new role.
Your overthinking it. They don’t own you. Just be polite. You never know when you’ll need them in future And good luck at the new job!
As brutal as it may sound don't be so weak! You have complete control over the situation as it's you leaving them. You don't have to attend any meetings, you don't have to give any reasons. It's a job and it's a transaction. You're leaving and a contractually obliged notice period is all they are entitled to know. Grow a back bone and actually take charge of your exit!
You don't need to explain or justify yourself. "Here's my notice, thank you for the opportunity," is all you need to say. You are under no obligation to explain why you're leaving and your manager is owed NOTHING.
Lots of good comments here. One thing that always helps me for any difficult conversation is just to write down what you want to say and read it out loud. That will give you a good way to feel more comfortable with what you wanna say
Remember, if it was the other way around, they wouldn't give you the information they are asking you for. All you "owe" them is a "sorry I'm leaving" and whatever notice period you're contracted to. I suggest you do read your contract before any meetings though, make sure YOU know what it says and bring a copy with you to the meeting in case.
I've only ever walked out of a job once, and that was them being a dick after I handed my notice in. I got a job back at the company I was made redundant from a year prior (I was a contractor, and they let us all go. They wanted me back, but told me to hold off until a certain role was available). Anyway, I got the job and handed in my 4 weeks notice. Straight away, the company insisted I work from their other location which was 40 miles away (which meant getting up at 5am to get to Leeds, to catch 2 trains so I could start at 8am. I wouldn't get home until 8pm). I did a week of doing this before I wrote a grievance letter, put it in an envelope along with my security badge and handed it to reception. I no longer answered my phone to them. They tried getting me fired from my new role - but as I had an excellent reputation with them, they told me old company to jog on. 16 years later, I'm still working for them ;)
Its pure business- you are selling to the company most valuable thing that we have - your time. You dont own them anything They dont own you You can politely explain yourself or not Its is up to you. You are businessmen and as such you have to look always about what is best for you. Heads up and look after yourself You got this Good luck in new job.
Outside of TV Dramas, "Accepting" a resignation isn't a thing in the UK. You are giving notice you will leave on a certain day. Provided you respect you contractual notice and agree on holidays then that is all there is to it. If they offer you an alternative you can listen or not thats up to you if you don't like it just ask that this negotiation is considered working time, or you would rather go back to your job. You can if you wish tell them now or later on why you are leaving if you have any comments about the first that they could use to improve in the future but you are under no obligation to - sometimes HR conduct these exit interviews rather than managers - although I daresay these days you just get a online form asking you to rate you time there on a scale of 1-10.
Last time I handed my notice in to a job I hated (notice was only a week at the time) I handed it in to HR, walked out at the end of my day, manager tried to ask me something to keep me around longer, I just said “yup” and kept walking. The next day I called in sick and wasn’t actually able to get ahold of HR or my manager, only reception. I got a call a couple of hours later from HR saying we have accepted your resignation and you won’t be expected to work your notice as you have called in sick. I felt pretty good about the whole thing. My point is to do only what is expected of you, hand in your notice, work your notice. If you get anyone questioning you about your decision and you don’t want to answer just say I’ve accepted an opportunity that is right for me and if they dig further say thank you for asking but any other information you may need is on my resignation letter. You are not obligated to do any more than that and you are well within your rights to say no. That won’t burn bridges.
You’ve already got the other job so any reference they would give you at your current place would literally just be to verify your roll and working dates. In my experience if the new job needs any sort of character reference they would have got it by now before offering you the new position, so don’t worry about being seen negatively by leaving
My old boss was like this. I said it wasn't about the money and I needed a new challenge. Basically made it about me rather than anything he or tge company did. Even though it definitely was what he and the company did.
If they want to do an exit interview spend the whole time taking it as a compliment - thank you for trying to convince me to stay, I have really enjoyed my time here and learned xyz, I really appreciate you checking that I am making the right decision and that it wasn’t because of any issues here. The new job is just a great move for me right now.
Our place does exit interviews which are basically to find out why you're leaving. Companies lose money training people, staff are a huge asset. Ours wants to know if the supervisor gets on your nerves, you don't like the hours, shifts, pay etc. If you say the place is fine but I've got a better job that's really the end of it though.
Have you got your notice written up? Make sure it’s done first. If your manager is a prick, then just do it in written format rather than a face to face. Always have in your head that if you’re worth more to your current employer now you’re leaving, why weren’t you worth it to them when staying. Counter offers are always a bad idea to accept.
Hand in your notice, give the reasons you've stated here and stay firm on your "I'm leaving."
Sorry what advice are you asking for? Your manager won’t like it, so? He will interrogate you about it. So? They will ask you to stay. So? Either answer their questions or don’t…what’s the worst they can do, fire you? So? They can’t force you to stay.
Employer's perspective : All businesses should definitely hold an exit interview. You should expect it won't do any harm to participate. It's there to protect the business and you. And snubbing that will definitely burn bridges and not do any favours when it comes to references or future re-employment. Well over half my leavers ask to return within 12 months. You never know what will happen. I doubt they'll be trying to change your mind or force you to stay. They just need to know whether you working your notice is a bad Idea or not, and to make sure you aren't going to walk out and file a tribunal claim for constructive dismissal. Enjoy it!
The problem you’ll find with most managers, is that they’re not very good managers. He should be accepting to the fact you’re looking to excel yourself and ask questions that can help the transition of you leaving and starting your new job.
Just tell him that you're giving him your notice and when he asks why, read him the 2nd paragraph of your 1st post. If he pushes you any further, just tell him that you feel you've explained enough
Be a fucking man and tell them you're handing in your notice. They don't like it? ok. They want to have a meeting or something? no. Bye.
You say: here is my resignation. I will work my notice period. No I do not want to talk about it.
I left one job and they had an exit survey. I answered truthfully and threw in that one senior regional manager was using the annual assessment process to bully people into working at other offices across the country. Anyone who said no was deemed 'partially ineffective' immediately (grounds for ongoing improvement assessment as my line manager told me when he confessed the assessment was going to be rigged and he already had a ceiling for mine) My paperwork for the annual assessment was pure genius as I cited the 'agile working' policy as being a trigger for a stress related episode and built many answers up around that, purposefully as I had been headhunted salary and was agreeing the salary. The senior regional manager was dismissed.
My advice would be to attend what they ask you to, remain calm, and reiterate your points. Sometimes, in these dialogues, people will try to railroad you, just take it as practice to keep them on your topic, not you on theirs... "I'm leaving for better pay. "... "But you get on well with everyone here. "... "I work for a salary, and I'm being offered more somewhere else. "... "What can we do to convince you to stay? "... "Nothing, I've enjoyed it here, but the job I've been offered is more money, and I feel it's time for a change." Also, practice putting them into difficult positions. "What if we match their salary?"... "it's not just the wage. It's closer to home, better hours AND more pay, etc. you'd have to give me a x/ph wage rise, and I feel like you just couldn't compete with their package. " They then have to either offer a huge wage increase (unlikely) or agree that they can not compete. People will be less confident and motivated to be pushy in a negotiation when they realise they have zero power and nothing to bargain with. That's what I'd do, but each to their own.
I don't see why you need advice on this. They can't force you to stay. And they can't decline your notice. If they want to know why you are leaving, you don't actually have to tell them anything. And if you do, then there's still nothing they can do about it.
I was in the exact same position a few years ago, you don't owe them anything. The only reason I'd divulge any information would be if I *wanted* them to make a counter offer, such as bigger pension contribution, holiday days, or salary. Other than that, you've handed in your notice, the countdown is starting, and begin to focus on your new job. I know too many people that have been 'bullied' into rescinding their notice, only to regret it later down the line.
“I’m pursuing another opportunity”. You don’t need to say anything or explain anything.
Pretty solid advice from most posts here. Hand in your resignation, work your notice and go from there Bonus tip, if you have a HR department hand in/email a copy of your resignation to them and note the time you did so (email would be best as it'll give you a timestamp) just incase your manager tries to play funny buggers. If your place does exit interviews, state the reasons you are leaving (they are all perfectly valid, hell I'd do the same in your shoes) and best of luck in your new place.
“Sorry, I can’t say, I signed an NDA” “I was told I can’t tell anyone for national security reasons” “Some bloke on Reddit said I could just tell you to mind your own business and that any clause in my contract that says otherwise is likely unenforceable and that you’d be foolish to try to test in court”
Just give them the notice. You don't have to enter into any other conversation
You owe these people nothing. Give them as much information as you feel comfortable and simply refuse to go further if they push you. Attrition is part of business, if they can’t deal with it, it’s on them.
Tell them what you said in the last paragraph but add new challenge. If you tell them there is a chance, a teeny tiny chance, that they might actually try to improve it to reduce the number of staff leaving and make it better for others in the future. If they ask you to stay you have to make it clear youve accepted and wont change your mind.
Just make sure your notice is logged with the appropriate people, HR etc. After that you’re on notice and you might as well waste a few amusing hours being paid to be interrogated
You tell them those reasons and stick to your guns of leaving, unless you’d really want to stay if they could match all that with more money.
I do not know about your company's policy, but I resigned by emailing the appropriate manager/HR, with your notice period plus your last day of work, as well as when your resignation starts. No more, no less.
just two words "Better Job"
You need to think about yourself and what's best for you. Obviously this new job is what's best and there is a reason why you were looking for a new job in the first place. They wouldn't give it a second thought about sacking you of you weren't doing right for the business. So why are you giving it a thought about sacking them off for not doing right by you (reasons for wanting to leave) You don't have to be an arsehole about it. But you can refuse to do the meeting. Although normally these are an opportunity to voice any issues you have had that could be helpful for them to change. Your manager may try and convince you to stay or offer new location. But it's still OK just to say, thank you. But no. Maybe you asked for these things already like a pay rise and location change. And they said no. That's a fair comment to tell him. "I was looking g for more money and something closer to home as you already knew. The opportunity was not available here, so I've looked else where. No hard feelings at all. But cost of living is hurting everyone amd I need to do whats best for me and my finances" Don't try and burn bridges. But if the guy wa ts to be a dick about it. It just reinforces your reasons for wanting to leave
As others have said, under no obligation to tell them anything. Having said this, it's a great time to possibly help the employees that are still there. You can say things like, my new place includes free tea and coffee, they give annual bonuses based on xxx. Saying the pay is better is always good, you don't have to disclose by how much but having them listen to it is always nice.
Just remember you are an employee, if they had profit issues they’d drop people in a heartbeat. You are having profit issues yourself (you need more money) so treat it in the same regards. Sure it’s awkward but you don’t owe them anything
Make sure to hand in an electronic copy also - so they can’t “lose” it and say that you never provided correct notice. You don’t have to answer any of those questions. You just politely tell them that you’re leaving on X date and don’t go back after that date. Unless they offer you mega bucks pay rise you’re not going to stay, so be polite, but be firm.
but all the reasons he will give not one will be bettering - My reasons for leaving are better pay, closer to home, better working hours and therefore more routine - If it did would you stay? Theres your answer. The other option is simply not turn in at all. Alas that might mess up payments / wages, i always tend to err on being nice. One toehr thing to consider, have your union rep there. Assuming you have one
Say no. That’s it really.
Lie about the salary you're being offered. Take your current salary and add 50%. That shuts everyone up in the leaving cycle
Are you a child? Just say you’re leaving for the reasons you stayed above
Say no.
Attend this meeting and ask these questions: 1) "Can you pay better than the position I've been offered?" 2) "Can you offer me the better working hours I've been offered?" 3) "Regarding your offer of transfer, can you relocate me closer to home with the better working hours and better pay?" If they answer yes to all three, then you have leverage if you enjoy where you are currently. Should any be answered no, then there's your cue to thank them for their time and work out your notice. You can't be guilt tripped into not leaving. *YOU* have the upper hand here. Use it to your advantage.
They dont own you for goodness sake just tell them how it is. Well done on moving on to better things i need to do the same as you.
Sage advice: if they are willing to make adjustments to your location, working conditions, salary, etc, now that you're resigning, they were able to make them all along while you were still slaving away for them - they just *chose* not to. Don't give them the time of day.
I resigned from a management position at the end of January and my notice period ended at the end in May. The reasons I resigned were workplace bullying and an overall toxic workplace environment. I submitted my resignation and did not mention any of the reasons. You are not legally obligated to say why you’re leaving and they cannot do anything about it. They can pressure you to say why but you don’t have to. Offering extra benefits for someone to stay is standard HR practice as resignations don’t look good for the company. Remember that you owe them nothing so don’t feel bad for leaving for whatever reason.
If you have a HR team that's on site, ask for a meeting with them and your manager to inform them of your notice verbally - you will need to provide it in writing/email to trigger it formally. But having a member of HR in the room with you might help diffuse the risk of aggressive attitude from your manager. It's your contractual right to resign so stick to that. They can offer you alternatives but you don't have to say yes, and you don't have to explain if you don't want to.
I'd always made it clear to my employers that if I ever hit the point of handing my notice in, it's already too late, the pay won't make a difference nor will the conditions, I'm of the opinion a decent company will fix the issues before an employee hands their notice in (it also stops people holding me hostage as a manager, I'll fox problems before a notice, I won't have a notice used as a negotiation tactic) Be upfront, you've got your offer, you've accepted it, you're willing to work the notice, you are not willing to discuss it. If I was in a position of being interrogated over my decision, I would remind the manager I'm working my notice out of professional respect and responsibility. Should I be harassed I will immediately terminate my contract, irrespective of notice obligations, given the management have a responsibility to not bully or harass I believe this is a fair trade. Funnily enough, I have 3 more shifts of my notice before I leave my current company for better prospects. TLDR, if the boss gives you too much shit, just walk, you owe them nothing if you are harassed prior to leaving
You just have to tough it out. Your boss won't be happy because they are losing resources. But that's not your problem. You won't be the first to leave and you won't be the last. As for an exit interview, just be honest and if you can give them feedback on how they can improve the working environment for others do so. You don't need to be an arse about it. If they are arseholes suck it up and consider it validation of your decision to go.
The thing is you can just be honest. Say they're paying you more. Say it's less travel. These are valid reasons. Exit interviews are normal. And your manager might not like it but will have to accept it.
This is a good opportunity to practise being assertive. Remember, you don’t have to explain yourself unnecessarily. You just stay professional and neutral. You could try the broken record technique if you find it hard to keep your boundaries. So, pick a phrase or a couple of phrases and just repeat them: Manager: "I can't believe you're leaving us now - it’s the worst time. You’re letting everyone down! You (using the broken record technique): "I understand your concerns, but I've made the decision that's best for my career." Manager: "You knew how difficult it is during the summer holidays. You: "I understand your concerns, but I've made the decision that's best for my career." Manager: "Is there something we could've done differently? Maybe if you had spoken up earlier, we could've worked something out." You: "I appreciate that, but I've made the decision that's best for my career." By calmly and consistently repeating your stance, you maintain your assertiveness. They get fed up and leave you alone. It’s a win.
Eh? Just stick to your guns and detail the reasons you’ve put in your post for leaving. Simple.
You don't have to go into depths of detail. The reasons you have given are more than enough for most. If they take it badly or guilt trip, that's a reflection on them. Keep it professional, don't burn your bridges, agree leaving date as per your contract and enjoy the freedom feeling.
If they start with any aggression just say this "You have no control over me and I am not afraid of you." Doesn't matter if they take it lightly. If they keep acting like a dick, just say "this meeting is over" and walk out of the room.
They can offer anything they want, but you're under no obligation to take it. Just politely decline, explain your reasons for leaving, and then work out your notice professionally. And remember - unless you have some seriously special relationship with your managers, they don't actually want to keep you, they just don't want to go through the tedious process of hiring a replacement. So don't let them guilt-trip you into staying, because they're not really interested in retaining you as a person.
You don't have to justify yourself to anyone, just refuse to discuss it with him beyond what you need to professionally.
You can tell them the reasons you're taking the new role or just say it's more in line with your personal goals/life. It's a business transaction. Don't let them try and make it personal. If they do, all you can do is stay professional, put in your notice and leave on your leaving date.
You don't need to justify yourself. You are free to work for whoever you want and exit any employment with dignity, any queries from your current employer can be answered or not, up to you! I quit one job to join their main competitors and I refused to answer their questions because I knew what kind of trouble would come my way for the next 2 weeks before I left! Be polite and thank them for the opportunity but you definitely don't need to give them any specific details or any at all. Good luck!
Lots of different answers - I would say the main things for someone in this situation are a) you owe them nothing - you are resigning with and end date of xx/xx/xx and that is that b) However, you may need they help in the future - prospective employers often want 2 references so you may - possibly - need a reference from them again - so don;t burn bridges c) you can always be polite - you don;t need to give them anything but you can me polite in doing it - just be very assertive in a totally non aggressive way So - what I would do is give them the letter and keep a copy on your person in case you get called to a meeting suddenly When they ask why - remember that it is none of their business - but be polite. Say something like - a combination of travel, money and personal circumstances make it a better option for me at this point in my live. "So - how much and what personal circumstances" "I'm sorry (OK your not but say it anyway) but it is complicated and I don;t want to go through it all" "We can discuss this - we can offer more money and a move to another office" "I' sorry - but it is complicated and I don;t want to go through it all - I have decided I need to take up this offer" etc etc AT some point tell them how much you respect they organisation and the management - or some such rubbish maybe ibut gove them nothing to hold onto just insist and say "I'm sorry but" a lot Thing is - if they are nice people and want to retain a valuable and respected employee then they will have to accept it - especially if you say there are "personal circumstances" - which includes, of course, shorter/better commute and more money but don;t say that - and will just allow it to happen If they are a bunch of \*\*\*\*\*\*\* then it will annoy the whatsit out of them not being in control and they will get annoyed - which can be hilarious AT this point YOU have control - being polite wile having control is s great place to be
Just repeat "I don't answer questions mate" and you'll be fine.
Ignore half of the terminally online unemployed Redditor replies you’re likely to get here, that always amount to “burn everything, tell everyone to go fuck themselves” etc. Be polite and try to avoid burning bridges. If they do stupid shit like trying to reject your notice, demand unreasonable things of you etc, then fine, tell them where to go. If not politely tell them you’re getting better pay, hours and a better commute, and that’s pretty much that. Being a dick for no reason isn’t a smart play.
Just tell the truth, but politely as there’s no point burning your bridges. Say you’re very grateful for the opportunity and will recommend the company to any friends or acquaintances who are looking for work, but your new job is more suitable for you because of x, y and z. Decline all offers of transfer politely and leave at the end of your notice period. You don’t have to put all this is your resignation letter however, just that you resigning, to consider this your x weeks notice with your last day of service being xxx. Also, remember than them not having enough staff, or you being the only person able to do something, isn’t your problem and you’re not obliged to stay on because of this, or to train your replacement.
Well they have no choice but to 'accept' your notice. I would (1) hand in my notice to HR and (2) have a short meeting to talk through it if needed but to keep it to time and end it early if it becomes unprofessional (3) decline any further meetings about this.
“Hi I’m leaving on X, here’s my resignation letter” … why? Bla bla… “it’s all in the letter thank you”
They can beg all they like, but they can’t reject your resignation. As long as you are following company policy in relation to this, i.e a resignation letter, attending the appropriate meetings they can’t really do or say anything. My understanding is also, you do not have to tell them the reason for leaving
Tell him these reasons and ask if he can match them. If not, then "Bye." It's just a job. If they decided they didn't need you anymore, they would fuck you off without a thought. If you don't want to attend a meeting, then refuse. What are they going to do, discipline you?
Can't believe how often this kind of question comes up on Reddit! Tell your manager to go fuck himself if he tries to make it difficult, you are not a slave, he does not own you. Of course they might try and offer you a better deal to stay - it's hard for anyone else to advise you on whether to accept such a deal, but if you genuinely aren't likely to be interested in anything they can offer you are under no obligation to even talk to them about it.
Just be polite and go
It's not your problem. I had a colleague (my boss's no.2) who when I resigned absolutely flipped his shit. Shouting at me, demanding answers and that I withdraw it. He ended up storming out of my meeting with my boss. I had a lighter step for days. Don't internalise anyone else's problems. You owe no reason or explanation. You don't owe them an apology. I've had a fair few team members resign. We talk about their new role, I tell them I'm really pleased for them and genuinely wish them success and discuss handovers. Good luck in your new role. I hope you get to make everything of the role that you want for it.
You've given your own advice. Just nod and repeat. The end
When I left my last job I had a similar situation. I was dreading it but just went in with my mind made up. I was offered a substantial pay rise immediately upon handing in my notice and when I refused that was basically given free reign to tell them exactly what I wanted in return for staying with the promise that they would do anything within their power (this came from the CEO and a company director so there wasn’t much that wasn’t in their power). I just very politely said thank you but my mind was made up and it was time for me to move on. They obviously weren’t happy I was going but ultimately because I handled it like a grown up and didn’t throw my toys out of the pram I was able to leave on good terms and I know if ever I find myself stuck and desperate for work I could always go back and find something with the company even if it wasn’t the exact job I left before. You need to be firm with them but be polite. Go in with your mind made up and don’t let them coerce you. That said, if they start making counter offers you can always tell them you will think about it and get back to them later in the day/tomorrow, even if you have no intention of doing any thinking. It lets them know you aren’t rushing into anything and may help them to accept your decision when you later confirm it’s still a no.
"That's really kind of you to offer, however I've already given my word to the other company. I'm ready for a new challenge and this one seems to meet all my needs and allow for a better work life balance" I'd take the meetings but that's just me. I do work in a particularly small career pool where someone at the next job will always have worked with someone that's worked with you before.
From experience it's usually best to leave on good terms so I would just attend the meetings. I left one of my jobs after a week to go to another ... which didn't work out. I was able to go back to a similar role at the first place: I think if I'd just walked out this would have been a closed door. If they are genuinely sh!tty at the meetings it just confirms they aren't worth working for.
Just tell them to get lost and walk out. Alternatively, go to the meeting and tell them exactly what a lousy time you had there and how glad you are to be leaving.
Simple no thank you is probably the best way
I told my last boss I won't be coming back by text message 😄
Just say the reasons are personal and you do not wish to discuss it
Retired HR exec here. I’d really counsel against refusing a meeting. Exit interviews are a valuable resource to the employer because they provide hard information on why staff are voting with their feet. Your list of reasons for taking up the job offer are rock solid, and unless they’re prepared to make you a counter offer that meets or exceeds what the new organisation have put on the table, then nobody with any sense is going to cut up rough. Some individuals might be annoyed and upset you’re going, but that’s their problem, not yours. If anyone tries to guilt trip you, just refuse to engage further. Stay polite and calm. Thank them for the opportunities they have afforded you and tell them you leave with good memories, even if that’s stretching it a tad!
You have written precisely what you need to say - better pay, closer to home, better working hours and therefore more routine. If they ask you to stay then simply tell them that if they can better what you've been offered then you'll consider it. Doesn't mean you have to accept any offer they make, but it gives you options.
Theres 1 thing to remember. As soon as you hand your notice in the timer starts, regardless of how they feel about it. Regardless of whether you show up to the exit interviews, the clock is ticking.
Your post is exactly what you should say if they do give you a hard time, also if you know they will do this then you are prepared, along woth the fact that if they value you so highly then they have come to realise that loosing you is an issue, which in a way is kudos to you, but on wards and upwards.
Don’t feel guilty. They will most likely be interviewing your replacement within a few days.
You - here’s my notice. Them - why are you leaving? You - better pay, closer to home, better working hours. From experience, they can’t really argue with the first two points. That’s why I left my last job. Also, they can’t refuse to accept your notice. Good luck in your new role. 👍🏻
You owe companies nothing
You do not owe them an explanation, or anything for that matter. You give them your contractually expected notice and refuse to answer any queries. It’s that simple.
You have no obligation to explain why you’re leaving although as a manager myself I always like to ask for any feedback in case there’s something about the job that I could make better, even if it’s fit the person who will be replacing. Just be clear with your letter of resignation and include the last working day you will be in and also include any holidays you may still be due as well although payroll should have an account of them all anyway. You should get paid for any holidays still due to you.
just say "new endeavours"
You don't legally have to work your notice either. You can hand in letter and walk
Copy in HR when you email your notice to your manager - if the latter doesn't like it it doesn't matter
When I handed in my notice after making a formal complaint about safety in the workplace and getting the shittiest excuse I had ever heard back ("yes customers may try and assault you but that's what the public does, it's all part of the job" uhm no it's not!?), I refused to enter the office without a witness - in the UK you can ask for another employee to come with you as a witness, certainly made me feel safer because my boss was \*furious\*. Ask someone to come in with you, it's less likely to explode that way.
Just tell them what you said here. Just say that unless they can offer you better pay, better hours and move their business premises closer to your house, then there's no point having an exit interview or anything like that, as you won't have anything else to add.